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Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.21 00:04:00 - [31] If the pos is restored, please have a nice week end. We'll come back and that'll be the exact same story. ----- History is made by whinners
Kyria Timeyu Pie Vendor	Posted - 2007.02.21 00:08:00 - [32] M-R being not crashed didn't help the coalition one bit. Yes, the reinforcements were able to jump, but anyone that actually did jump into JV1V promptly crashed to the login screen and then had to spend the next hours trying to get back in too. Also, what do you think would have happened if Eve was lag free, it was 300 LV defenders against almost 1000 coalition attackers. It would have been a slaughter in any way.
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.02.21 00:09:00 - [33] How retarded is it that this has become an acceptable attack tactic?! This is honestly, taking advantage of a flaw in the server for an advantage in the game. WHY ISNT THIS AN EXPLOIT? I mean COME ON CCP My best frioend IRL is leaving the game and going back to world of Boercraft because this is just puerst a$$hattery PERKOSET & OXYCODONE IS FUN!!! Lets see how long till this post lives...
Hellown Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.21 00:11:00 - [34] We never said anything about a fair fight, we just wanted a CHANCE to fight. with our whole force unable to log in for 1-2 hrs while the swarm were jumping ships in from the formaly heavily defended gate there was only 1 outcome possible. IF we had of been able to defend with the force we had, the capitals we had ready, the titan in system (built one ready to fire DD) who knows what the outcome would of been, but atleast we would of been able to do SOMETHING. Shinra, the good guys.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.21 00:11:00 - [35] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 21/02/2007 00:10:27 WTB diplomacy. LV accumulated SO MUCH ennemies the last year and lost SO MUCH allies in the last year that LV can't face what they created. It's your problem, not ours. ----- History is made by whinners
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.21 00:18:00 - [36] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: HankMurphy B) place limits on systems with large fleet battles going on. this would require dev intervention to ensure each side gets relatively equal numbers for the battle, rest will be moved outside of combat area (jump or two away) and gates in would be locked till the dust settled So, if you can only muster 350 pilots, and your opposition can muster 1000, CCP should step in and adjust things so there is an even fight? Youre not serious are you? This is some kinda retarded joke? unless they can make the systems handle the nodes... as retarded as it sounds it along the path of a solution. yeah, i agree, it would be retarded. But no more retarded than the current state of affairs, and this way at least the battle would consist of ppl fighting with ships instead of fighting with logon screen.... its critical mass for the servers. do you have a better solution? maybe a better take on mine? or just trolling? ------------------------ From here on out i'm pretty sure CAOD forums = Jerry Springer
Kyria Timeyu Pie Vendor	Posted - 2007.02.21 00:19:00 - [37] Originally by: Hellown We never said anything about a fair fight, we just wanted a CHANCE to fight. with our whole force unable to log in for 1-2 hrs while the swarm were jumping ships in from the formaly heavily defended gate there was only 1 outcome possible. IF we had of been able to defend with the force we had, the capitals we had ready, the titan in system (built one ready to fire DD) who knows what the outcome would of been, but atleast we would of been able to do SOMETHING. The outcome was set in stone. 300 vs 1000 is not winnable. Period. The only change would have been that you had lost every single one of your ships instead of saving over 2/3rds of them because they were offline. The destruction was set in stone when BoB pulled back to Fountain, and your directors screwed up the strontium timing.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.21 00:23:00 - [38] Of course then. Count the frigs. Count the frig one side, count the frigs the other side. Lotterry. Stay at same proportion. Insta-teleport the others in Empire. Enjoy a great solution here. Wait, do you prefer a rollback ? No problem. You made 450 petitions, we'll fill our only 400 ours. Eve Online : Petition Wars, great game ruled by LV, 450 vs 400. ----- History is made by whinners
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.21 00:23:00 - [39] Edited by: prsr on 21/02/2007 00:22:17 Originally by: Kyria Timeyu The outcome was set in stone. 300 vs 1000 is not winnable. Period. Lol at tactical advice from Pie Vendor Corporation You know the first wave of 100+ was slaughtered with 3 losses right? -- .sig apathy ftw
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.21 00:25:00 - [40] Originally by: Kyria Timeyu Originally by: Hellown We never said anything about a fair fight, we just wanted a CHANCE to fight. with our whole force unable to log in for 1-2 hrs while the swarm were jumping ships in from the formaly heavily defended gate there was only 1 outcome possible. IF we had of been able to defend with the force we had, the capitals we had ready, the titan in system (built one ready to fire DD) who knows what the outcome would of been, but atleast we would of been able to do SOMETHING. The outcome was set in stone. 300 vs 1000 is not winnable. Period. The only change would have been that you had lost every single one of your ships instead of saving over 2/3rds of them because they were offline. The destruction was set in stone when BoB pulled back to Fountain, and your directors screwed up the strontium timing. i dunno, i've won 3v1 odds before many times. i'm not taking either side on the issue, i more concerned with how CCP moves forward w/ circumstances like this battle than the resolution on this one's outcome. but, no way to know. if things had ran smoothly a snipe fleet over a heavily bubbled gate has a signifigant advantage. enough to fight 3v1? only one way to find out, actually have a battle to fight it out. remember what they say about assumptions? they make an ass outta you and 'umptions' ------------------------ From here on out i'm pretty sure CAOD forums = Jerry Springer

Iamatrader	Posted - 2007.02.21 00:36:00 - [41] Originally by: Kyria Timeyu Originally by: Hellown We never said anything about a fair fight, we just wanted a CHANCE to fight. with our whole force unable to log in for 1-2 hrs while the swarm were jumping ships in from the formaly heavily defended gate there was only 1 outcome possible. IF we had of been able to defend with the force we had, the capitals we had ready, the titan in system (built one ready to fire DD) who knows what the outcome would of been, but atleast we would of been able to do SOMETHING. The outcome was set in stone. 300 vs 1000 is not winnable. Period. The only change would have been that you had lost every single one of your ships instead of saving over 2/3rds of them because they were offline. The destruction was set in stone when BoB pulled back to Fountain, and your directors screwed up the strontium timing. The only thing set in stone was the goons determination to crash the node repeatidly
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.21 00:37:00 - [42] Hmm, at least we learn from the two last dead Titans: D2s Erebus showed us that logging off the Titan ain't good enough. Probe it out yourself and set up a guard around it till it's gone. And the LV dead baby titan tells us that jumping in is faster than logging on, after a node crash. Your scout sees a fleet assembling in a nearby system, JUMP IN on them FIRST! In waves. If this fails, and you get stuck, file stuck petition, get moved to nearby system, your turn to jump in on them and crash them. Note, GMs may not like to repeat this process for alternating sides of over 300 players till everybody's bored out of their skull. Sorry about that, but maybe that'll inspire someone to work out a better solution. Family Tahar, of Clan Hadar, of Caravan of Namtz'Aar K'in
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.21 00:42:00 - [43] BREAKING NEWS FROM THE DEVS: Their new idea to reduce blobs in systems is to make people fight over who has to go in first so the other guys (who are not in system) can cause a node crash. This also reduces POS warfare allot. --------------------------- Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
Savio Caldari The Knights Of Camelot DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.02.21 00:43:00 - [44] Windows + Heavy Load = Crash Fix... Install Linux (Gentoo)...... . Need a Sign? Click Here
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.21 01:11:00 - [45] "It's not fair!" :(
Osiris Warp E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.21 01:18:00 - [46] Originally by: Haas Tabris Ahh, can't post GM eve-mails in the forums. Roger that. CCP pretty much said they aren't going to do anything about the JV1V node crash and the LV loss of a titan under construction. See orignal post here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=477023 The GM claimed, in his evemail response to the LV petition, that the node crash is a fair tactic because both sides will have the same problem logging back into the crashed node. I would like to put forth that this is not quite true. LV lost the fight because the adjacent node supporting M-R did NOT crash. So, as soon as the JV1V node was reset, their fleet could begin jumping into the system. The LV fleet had to go back to their login screens, log into the game, and then wait in queue to get back into the system. This gave the goonfleet an unfair advantage. It's really about that simple. QQ more I mean oh noes we could not logon yea ok wat ever wat are you going to do against the 1000 ships i hear they had i mean comeon even if you had loged on you would have still lost the system and either way its Over with i mean is D2, ASCN going to get there stuff back because they where loged out??? why should you get a system back because you where loged out "ACHTUNG! Osiris Warp may actually be a spider-human hybrid
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.02.21 01:18:00 - [47] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 21/02/2007 00:10:27 LV accumulated SO MUCH ennemies the last year and lost SO MUCH allies in the last year that LV can't face what they created. Then why are BoD still around lol (BY THE WAY THIS IS A JOKE TAKE IT AS SUCH) Its extremely sad that instead of fixing a problem the jokers at CCP are turning them into features. Like POS and passive targeters... Like node crashing... Like bumping...
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.02.21 01:21:00 - [48] Originally by: Kyria Timeyu Originally by: Hellown We never said anything about a fair fight, we just wanted a CHANCE to fight. with our whole force unable to log in for 1-2 hrs while the swarm were jumping ships in from the formaly heavily defended gate there was only 1 outcome possible. IF we had of been able to defend with the force we had, the capitals we had ready, the titan in system (built one ready to fire DD) who knows what the outcome would of been, but atleast we would of been able to do SOMETHING. The outcome was set in stone. 300 vs 1000 is not winnable. Period. The only change would have been that you had lost every single one of your ships instead of saving over 2/3rds of them because they were offline. The destruction was set in stone when BoB pulled back to Fountain, and your directors screwed up the strontium timing. So instead its defender = lose always? Hm... I know the 300 vs 1000 would be horrible, and it would make big corps entrenched in system nearly impossible to break, but how it is now, you just crash the system and win it an theres no defense to it at all. Its extremely sad that instead of fixing a problem the jokers at CCP are turning them into features. Like POS and passive targeters... Like node crashing... Like bumping...
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.02.21 01:22:00 - [49] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Count the frig one side, count the frigs the other side. Lotterry.... O and the T2 lottery is SUCH the exaple for another lottery system... I dont have any better ideas mind you but that cant be a solution Its extremely sad that instead of fixing a problem the jokers at CCP are turning them into features. Like POS and passive targeters... Like node crashing... Like bumping...
Xendie Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.21 01:24:00 - [50] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: HankMurphy B) place limits on systems with large fleet battles going on. this would require dev intervention to ensure each side gets relatively equal numbers for the battle, rest will be moved outside of combat area (jump or two away) and gates in would be locked till the dust settled So, if you can only muster 350 pilots, and your opposition can muster 1000, CCP should step in and adjust things so there is an even fight? Youre not serious are you? This is some kinda retarded joke? i wonder why they didnt want to implement that when they all were gangbanging up on IAC. i just have to say "fofofofofofofofofo" at this thread.

Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.02.21 01:25:00 - [51] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin "It's not fair!" :( Since when do CCP care about fair? Its extremely sad that instead of fixing a problem the jokers at CCP are turning them into features. Like POS and passive targeters... Like node crashing... Like bumping...
Soporo	Posted - 2007.02.21 01:26:00 - [52] Quote: Since the players themselves have no idea what systems reside on what nodes, you cant hold them responsible for any 'unfair advantage' gained by a node crash. Well, thats an imperfectly correct statement, recent not be named events, etc.
Pattonator CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.21 01:28:00 - [53] 1) Where do you idiots get 300 vs. 1000? LV and friends was just about 450 in JV1 and we had well over 100 fighters assigned and we held the high ground. RAGOONS did not have 1,000 until the put out the word that JV1 was a free for all. They might have had 700 at the time that the node crashed but they knew that there was no way that 700 would appear all at once in the system. So figure with fighters we have about 550 or so with a lot of snipers and T2 ships vs. waves of about 200 jumping in at a time of primarily T1 ships that are stuck in warp bubbles. Please don't take my tone as whining but just ****ed off at CCP. I don't pay for this account only to crash before a major battle and then getting screwed out of our valuable assets. The only reason why CCP won't step up is because Goons are already whiners and they don't think they can stand any more of their whining.
Serilla The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.21 01:35:00 - [54] Originally by: Pattonator 1) Where do you idiots get 300 vs. 1000? LV and friends was just about 450 in JV1 and we had well over 100 fighters assigned and we held the high ground. RAGOONS did not have 1,000 until the put out the word that JV1 was a free for all. They might have had 700 at the time that the node crashed but they knew that there was no way that 700 would appear all at once in the system. So figure with fighters we have about 550 or so with a lot of snipers and T2 ships vs. waves of about 200 jumping in at a time of primarily T1 ships that are stuck in warp bubbles. Please don't take my tone as whining but just ****ed off at CCP. I don't pay for this account only to crash before a major battle and then getting screwed out of our valuable assets. The only reason why CCP won't step up is because Goons are already whiners and they don't think they can stand any more of their whining. If you guys were so worried about node stability you should have told 300 of your people to log off __________________
Kiriz Zule Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.02.21 01:46:00 - [55] Originally by: Pattonator 1) Where do you idiots get 300 vs. 1000? LV and friends was just about 450 in JV1 and we had well over 100 fighters assigned and we held the high ground. RAGOONS did not have 1,000 until the put out the word that JV1 was a free for all. They might have had 700 at the time that the node crashed but they knew that there was no way that 700 would appear all at once in the system. So figure with fighters we have about 550 or so with a lot of snipers and T2 ships vs. waves of about 200 jumping in at a time of primarily T1 ships that are stuck in warp bubbles. Please don't take my tone as whining but just ****ed off at CCP. I don't pay for this account only to crash before a major battle and then getting screwed out of our valuable assets. The only reason why CCP won't step up is because Goons are already whiners and they don't think they can stand any more of their whining. Don't take this the wrong way as I am in no way endorsing or thankful that the node crashed.... but.... You said it yourself. You guys loaded the node down to the point of crashing without the presence of attackers. You like to tout that 100 died in the first 3 minutes... How many of those 100 died without even loading because you had 500+ ships/fighters/bubbles on the gate? You do not seem to upset those lag related deaths. In fact, you guys want to use that as proof that anything jumping in would get slaughtered. One could construe that was part of your plan; lag down the overview and pop helpless jump in's... Face it. You guys played this the wrong way and got burned. JV1V is at the end of a dead end chain. There are a couple different ways you could have played this rather than to hole up everything you have in one last line of defense.
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.02.21 01:50:00 - [56] This game is crap right now... Building the homestead
Serilla The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.21 01:58:00 - [57] Originally by: DarkMatter This game is crap right now... You'd think from all this whining that this was something new, but its not, everyone experiences it and has to adapt. It would be lovely if there was no lag but there is lag, and lots of it in massive battles. So what can you do about it? Either boycott fleet battles in 0.0 territorial wars (lol), or give it your best and hope that you prevail. __________________
Osiris Warp E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.21 02:09:00 - [58] Originally by: Pattonator 1) Where do you idiots get 300 vs. 1000? LV and friends was just about 450 in JV1 and we had well over 100 fighters assigned and we held the high ground. RAGOONS did not have 1,000 until the put out the word that JV1 was a free for all. They might have had 700 at the time that the node crashed but they knew that there was no way that 700 would appear all at once in the system. So figure with fighters we have about 550 or so with a lot of snipers and T2 ships vs. waves of about 200 jumping in at a time of primarily T1 ships that are stuck in warp bubbles. Please don't take my tone as whining but just ****ed off at CCP. I don't pay for this account only to crash before a major battle and then getting screwed out of our valuable assets. The only reason why CCP won't step up is because Goons are already whiners and they don't think they can stand any more of their whining. OH NOES TEH GOONS ATTACKZORED ME i mean come on man you where building a SECOND Titan QQ more you know that Goon and RA live there wat the hell did you think would happen is they found you building Titans??? i mean who runs ur alliance cause they might need to think that over. MMMM goon and RA meh im sure they wont throw like 2000 ppl at us rofl. I think a node crash was inevitable and now you know to stop building Titans and fight normal battles :D I mean its done with and over nothing can be done bout it now and ill bet other ppl are just as annoyed including Goon they probably would have wanted more kills :D "ACHTUNG! Osiris Warp may actually be a spider-human hybrid
Tetsujin Caldari Band of Brosefs GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.21 02:31:00 - [59] Originally by: Osiris Warp I'll bet other ppl are just as annoyed including Goon they probably would have wanted more kills :D You're goddamn right.
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.21 02:38:00 - [60] Seems like LV need to be directing their whines to the genius that didn't work the stront right. Sorry, but even the Goons/Redswarm can't get 1000 people together if it isn't US primetime. Thanks to the guy working the stront for THE most important POS LV had. . .it came out of reinforced almost perfectly for 1k of ****ed off pew-pew happy pilots to get a shot at it. It's like me shooting myself in the foot and blaming the gun-maker for making the gun, my mother for not teaching me how to not be a complete 'tard, and then God for letting it happen. Maybe I should point the finger at myself first instead of shedding so many tears to people that really don't care? Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!



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