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Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 769	Posted - 2016.05.05 14:50:44 - [1] - Quote Can you PLEASE add BPOs for stuff in nullsec? Please make BPOs for capital modules more accessible. Why the actual **** am I having to go to highsec to buy capital BPOs for capitals I can't manufacture or even fly in highsec when I should be buying fighter BPOs and capital part BPOs in lowsec/nullNPC. The risk of these things getting camped in 24/7 in null is the same risk I take with anything including my pod. http://imgur.com/75dZYdR ^^^ is there any reason for null NPC has only scripts seeded on the market, but almost literally nothing else? Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
Isaac Armer Tactical Stability Union Apocalypse Now. 218	Posted - 2016.05.05 15:29:20 - [2] - Quote Caleb Seremshur wrote: Can you PLEASE add BPOs for stuff in nullsec? Please make BPOs for capital modules more accessible. Why the actual **** am I having to go to highsec to buy capital BPOs for capitals I can't manufacture or even fly in highsec when I should be buying fighter BPOs and capital part BPOs in lowsec/nullNPC. The risk of these things getting camped in 24/7 in null is the same risk I take with anything including my pod. http://imgur.com/75dZYdR ^^^ is there any reason for null NPC has only scripts seeded on the market, but almost literally nothing else? The WH superhighway avoids gate camps.
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 769	Posted - 2016.05.05 15:39:19 - [3] - Quote Isaac Armer wrote: Caleb Seremshur wrote: Can you PLEASE add BPOs for stuff in nullsec? Please make BPOs for capital modules more accessible. Why the actual **** am I having to go to highsec to buy capital BPOs for capitals I can't manufacture or even fly in highsec when I should be buying fighter BPOs and capital part BPOs in lowsec/nullNPC. The risk of these things getting camped in 24/7 in null is the same risk I take with anything including my pod. http://imgur.com/75dZYdR ^^^ is there any reason for null NPC has only scripts seeded on the market, but almost literally nothing else? The WH superhighway avoids gate camps. I'd really rather just see some internal consistency with regards to NPC stations having at minimum the basic BPOs. If CCP genuinely believe nullsec is the #1 place to be then maybe they can make a cursory attempt at supporting it from a manufacturing POV. I'm not asking for better rocks, I'm asking for better BPO availability. Why wouldn't guristas have the basic t1 hull BPOs? Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
Lugh Crow-Slave 2438	Posted - 2016.05.05 15:59:18 - [4] - Quote wow angry and lazy Citadel worm hole tax
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2810	Posted - 2016.05.05 16:20:54 - [5] - Quote Caleb Seremshur wrote: Isaac Armer wrote: Caleb Seremshur wrote: Can you PLEASE add BPOs for stuff in nullsec? Please make BPOs for capital modules more accessible. Why the actual **** am I having to go to highsec to buy capital BPOs for capitals I can't manufacture or even fly in highsec when I should be buying fighter BPOs and capital part BPOs in lowsec/nullNPC. The risk of these things getting camped in 24/7 in null is the same risk I take with anything including my pod. http://imgur.com/75dZYdR ^^^ is there any reason for null NPC has only scripts seeded on the market, but almost literally nothing else? The WH superhighway avoids gate camps. I'd really rather just see some internal consistency with regards to NPC stations having at minimum the basic BPOs. If CCP genuinely believe nullsec is the #1 place to be then maybe they can make a cursory attempt at supporting it from a manufacturing POV. I'm not asking for better rocks, I'm asking for better BPO availability. Why wouldn't guristas have the basic t1 hull BPOs? If Guristas had any ship BPO/BPC, don't you think they would have their very own design and not empire ones?
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Legion 17616	Posted - 2016.05.05 18:44:31 - [6] - Quote There is a way to jump across entire star clusters in an instant, all you need is something experts call a cynosural field.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy 9845	Posted - 2016.05.05 19:06:02 - [7] - Quote The OP pretty much rebuffed his own complaint. Quote: The risk of these things getting camped in 24/7 in null is the same risk I take with anything including my pod. That IS the point. By having to venture outside of your "fortress" you are exposed to interaction with other players and thus risk. How did you Veterans start? "Learn how things work. The intricacies, interactions, and hard limits... knowing these things will grant you far more power in the long run."
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 769	Posted - 2016.05.05 23:44:12 - [8] - Quote Pointing out the risks of getting bpos camped in at a station is not a rebuff to my issue. How is an npc station anyobe can dock at a fortress? Telling me to use a cyno or take the wh highway is still not a very compelling argument for why npc markets in null arent stocked with bpos. Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
Iain Cariaba 2957	Posted - 2016.05.06 00:26:51 - [9] - Quote Caleb Seremshur wrote: Pointing out the risks of getting bpos camped in at a station is not a rebuff to my issue. How is an npc station anyobe can dock at a fortress? Telling me to use a cyno or take the wh highway is still not a very compelling argument for why npc markets in null arent stocked with bpos. Travel fit interceptors? Cloaky nullified t3s? That luxury yacht CCP handed out that's cloaky nullified? Covops frigates? Your steadfast refusal to use the tools provided does not mean more need to be added to accommodate you. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better. Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 769	Posted - 2016.05.06 00:46:59 - [10] - Quote And I never said I wouldn't. Please drop the projection. I've made my case. The counter arguments have thus far boiled down to the pre-canned response about preserving the status quo via freighting in and out. Re: frosty: if the case were to be made that you need a merlin to make a worm and ergo guristas supplied that bpo specifically then sure I'd dig it. At present I have 4bil in bpos in venal. It's not physically hard to go get more using any of about 5 different methods. My complaint stands: ccp should add more bpos to nullsec because it would be internally consistent to have at least gurista productions (the corporation) selling bpos to their manufacturers. Not all bpos, but a thematically correct selection of them including at least host-racial weapons in this case missile launchers and drones. Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
Lugh Crow-Slave 2441	Posted - 2016.05.06 01:21:26 - [11] - Quote the same reason some skill books are only seeded in low. CCP does not like one area of space over the other and tries to encourage cross interaction. Citadel worm hole tax
Petrified Old and Petrified Syndication 390	Posted - 2016.05.06 01:33:02 - [12] - Quote As someone who researches and manufactures in Null Sec to sell in High Sec: Cynos are your friend. And for BPO movement: nothing says delivered like a Covert Cyno. Cloaking is the closest thing to a "Pause Game" button one can get while in space.
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore 2943	Posted - 2016.05.06 04:52:13 - [13] - Quote I think capital BPOs should be sold exclusively in NPC nullsec. They should at least be taken out of highsec. I am not in support of catering to the trade bloat of highsec. Nullsec should have ALL of the advantages save for security, and lowsec should be advantageous over highsec in every way in terms of resource availability. Should players choose to trade in highsec, that is fine. But they should not have the high-end supplies in highsec. They should have to move the supplies to highsec. FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post." Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Rivr Luzade Kenshin. DARKNESS. 2488	Posted - 2016.05.06 08:58:42 - [14] - Quote You do not need to go to High sec for these BPOs. They are seeded nicely in Low sec as well. UI Improvement Collective My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
Isaac Armer Tactical Stability Union Apocalypse Now. 220	Posted - 2016.05.06 11:08:14 - [15] - Quote Reaver Glitterstim wrote: I think capital BPOs should be sold exclusively in NPC nullsec. They should at least be taken out of highsec. I am not in support of catering to the trade bloat of highsec. Nullsec should have ALL of the advantages save for security, and lowsec should be advantageous over highsec in every way in terms of resource availability. Should players choose to trade in highsec, that is fine. But they should not have the high-end supplies in highsec. They should have to move the supplies to highsec. Except that sov null is safer than HS to anyone paying attention...
Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables 825	Posted - 2016.05.06 14:14:30 - [16] - Quote Caleb Seremshur wrote: Pointing out the risks of getting bpos camped in at a station is not a rebuff to my issue. How is an npc station anyobe can dock at a fortress? Telling me to use a cyno or take the wh highway is still not a very compelling argument for why npc markets in null arent stocked with bpos. Players risk being camped in when they dock to buy ammo, mods and the list goes why should you be different simply because you want to buy a BPO? Reaver Glitterstim wrote: I think capital BPOs should be sold exclusively in NPC nullsec. They should at least be taken out of highsec. I am not in support of catering to the trade bloat of highsec. Nullsec should have ALL of the advantages save for security, and lowsec should be advantageous over highsec in every way in terms of resource availability. Should players choose to trade in highsec, that is fine. But they should not have the high-end supplies in highsec. They should have to move the supplies to highsec. Why should capital BPO's only be sold in NPC nul? Why should the low sec players that use cap ships have to go to NPC nul simply to buy a BPO? Why not make them only available in low sec so you and the rest of your nul sec friends have to go there to buy them putting you at risk for the low sec pirate players? Since they have to be moved into low of nul to be used and that opens them to risk I am OK with them being for sale in high sec. Now this high sec trade bloat thing, you can look in the mirror and see one of the many reasons why ALL of the major market systems are in high sec. People who want to buy a ship, or some ammo or whatever will not travel into low or nul to buy it simply because of the additional risks involved. So in a simple real world way you and all of the other players past and present that shoot anything and everything on sight are the ones who created and maintain the high sec trade bloat. This is perfect example of the actions have consequences aspect of EvE. You shot anything and everything that moves in your area so no one comes there to buy your stuff, as they like to say around here working as intended.
Caleb Seremshur The Atomic Fallout Kids 769	Posted - 2016.05.06 14:47:33 - [17] - Quote Donnachadh wrote: Caleb Seremshur wrote: Pointing out the risks of getting bpos camped in at a station is not a rebuff to my issue. How is an npc station anyobe can dock at a fortress? Telling me to use a cyno or take the wh highway is still not a very compelling argument for why npc markets in null arent stocked with bpos. Players risk being camped in when they dock to buy ammo, mods and the list goes why should you be different simply because you want to buy a BPO? Are.. you unable to see that's exactly what I said? I want to buy BPOs from NPC null DESPITE THE RISKS OF GETTING CAMPED IN. HOLY MOLY.
Iain Cariaba 2960	Posted - 2016.05.06 15:50:30 - [18] - Quote There are no BPOs seeded by NPCs in nullsec for the same reason there are no skillbooks seeded by NPCs in nullsec. CCP wants you to venture out of your safe little hidey hole on occasion. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better. Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Caleb Seremshur The Atomic Fallout Kids 769	Posted - 2016.05.06 16:00:08 - [19] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: There are no BPOs seeded by NPCs in nullsec for the same reason there are no skillbooks seeded by NPCs in nullsec. CCP wants you to venture out of your safe little hidey hole on occasion. 795 kills in 7 days for nullsec might not seem like a lot, until you look at who's dying and why. https://zkillboard.com/region/10000015/kills/ Now obviously a lot of those kills are just cyno alts but if you take a closer look there's all kinds of stuff dying including interceptors and an Astero in just the last two days. Now see your comment has assumed I live in npcnull for safety but mate let's be square here if I wanted safety shouldn't I live in highsec??
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore 2945	Posted - 2016.05.06 17:48:19 - [20] - Quote Isaac Armer wrote: Except that sov null is safer than HS to anyone paying attention... I specifically said NPC null. But Sov null is not safer than highsec. Perhaps a pilot paying attention in sov null is safer than a pilot not paying attention in highsec, but anyone who knows the first thing about defensive flying can be far safer in highsec than in any other part of New Eden. FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post." Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Isaac Armer Tactical Stability Union Apocalypse Now. 220	Posted - 2016.05.06 17:59:11 - [21] - Quote Reaver Glitterstim wrote: I specifically said NPC null. But Sov null is not safer than highsec. Perhaps a pilot paying attention in sov null is safer than a pilot not paying attention in highsec, but anyone who knows the first thing about defensive flying can be far safer in highsec than in any other part of New Eden. When you're set blue to everyone for a dozen jumps and have intel channels telling you when anyone is coming, it's absolutely safer than HS.
Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables 825	Posted - 2016.05.07 14:18:45 - [22] - Quote Reaver Glitterstim wrote: Isaac Armer wrote: Except that sov null is safer than HS to anyone paying attention... I specifically said NPC null. But Sov null is not safer than highsec. Perhaps a pilot paying attention in sov null is safer than a pilot not paying attention in highsec, but anyone who knows the first thing about defensive flying can be far safer in highsec than in any other part of New Eden. Oh another of the great lies of EvE. Nul sec is not safe than high sec, what a laugh. When last I had a character in nul (about 6 months ago) as long as I stayed away from the border areas there was never more than a few other characters in the systems an those that COULD be trouble were clearly marked because of the reds, blues and neutral thingy. In high sec is it not uncommon to have 25 to 30 or more other characters in system with you and ALL of them are simply white in your local giving you no idea who may or may not represent a potential problem for you. Because of the low population density in the systems, the ease with which evil players can be spotted as soon as they enter the system and the intel et works that most nul sec groups have set up nul sec is immensely safer than high sec for all but the extremely lazy few who do not even bother to look at local.
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore 2946	Posted - 2016.05.07 15:50:35 - [23] - Quote Isaac Armer wrote: When you're set blue to everyone for a dozen jumps and have intel channels telling you when anyone is coming, it's absolutely safer than HS. Donnachadh wrote: When last I had a character in nul (about 6 months ago) as long as I stayed away from the border areas there was never more than a few other characters in the systems an those that COULD be trouble were clearly marked because of the reds, blues and neutral thingy. In high sec is it not uncommon to have 25 to 30 or more other characters in system with you and ALL of them are simply white in your local giving you no idea who may or may not represent a potential problem for you. Because of the low population density in the systems, the ease with which evil players can be spotted as soon as they enter the system and the intel et works that most nul sec groups have set up nul sec is immensely safer than high sec for all but the extremely lazy few who do not even bother to look at local. Then neither of you know how to stay safe in highsec. It is clear you understand safety in nullsec, but highsec works by a different set of rules. I, too, understand safety in nullsec, and I have the benefit of a large alliance with many friends to protect me. I am yet safer in highsec than in nullsec. I can trololo all over highsec all day and the war targets never catch me. Donnachadh wrote: In high sec is it not uncommon to have 25 to 30 or more other characters in system with you There's plenty of great highsec systems with much fewer people than that. But really, you just need to learn where they bite and where they're just AFK. FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post." Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 352	Posted - 2016.05.07 22:18:30 - [24] - Quote No, bpos are in empire and fringe worlds because that's where the majority of corporations laps are that develop them and not many people are based on worlds outside of empire unless under the protection of pirates "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore 2946	Posted - 2016.05.08 01:55:47 - [25] - Quote Agondray wrote: not many people are based on worlds outside of empire unless under the protection of pirates TEST = pirates. FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post." Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Caleb Seremshur The Atomic Fallout Kids 770	Posted - 2016.05.08 04:19:54 - [26] - Quote Agondray wrote: No, bpos are in empire and fringe worlds because that's where the majority of corporations laps are that develop them and not many people are based on worlds outside of empire unless under the protection of pirates Ok so where do the bpcs for pirate things come from and why can't I manufacture pirate weapons? If such manufacturing still requires LP and tags then all things considered who is risking more? This is the reason bpo aren't in null: because CCP haven't been given a compelling argument to put them there yet. I intend to give them one.
FT Diomedes The Graduates 2541	Posted - 2016.05.08 04:59:30 - [27] - Quote Isaac Armer wrote: Reaver Glitterstim wrote: I specifically said NPC null. But Sov null is not safer than highsec. Perhaps a pilot paying attention in sov null is safer than a pilot not paying attention in highsec, but anyone who knows the first thing about defensive flying can be far safer in highsec than in any other part of New Eden. When you're set blue to everyone for a dozen jumps and have intel channels telling you when anyone is coming, it's absolutely safer than HS. Until 4000 people come through and burn you out of your space. When's the last time that happened in high sec? CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore 2946	Posted - 2016.05.08 07:06:30 - [28] - Quote FT Diomedes wrote: Until 4000 people come through and burn you out of your space. When's the last time that happened in high sec? More importantly, when's the last time it ever didn't happen in nullsec? FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post." Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Iain Cariaba 2969	Posted - 2016.05.08 07:35:00 - [29] - Quote Caleb Seremshur wrote: Agondray wrote: No, bpos are in empire and fringe worlds because that's where the majority of corporations laps are that develop them and not many people are based on worlds outside of empire unless under the protection of pirates Ok so where do the bpcs for pirate things come from and why can't I manufacture pirate weapons? If such manufacturing still requires LP and tags then all things considered who is risking more? This is the reason bpo aren't in null: because CCP haven't been given a compelling argument to put them there yet. I intend to give them one. You get pirate faction BPCs from escalations, probed down combat sites, and faction spawns in belts and anoms. You cannot buy faction blueprints from any NPC in the game. Again, this is intentional. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better. Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Caleb Seremshur The Atomic Fallout Kids 770	Posted - 2016.05.08 08:23:34 - [30] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: Caleb Seremshur wrote: Agondray wrote: No, bpos are in empire and fringe worlds because that's where the majority of corporations laps are that develop them and not many people are based on worlds outside of empire unless under the protection of pirates Ok so where do the bpcs for pirate things come from and why can't I manufacture pirate weapons? If such manufacturing still requires LP and tags then all things considered who is risking more? This is the reason bpo aren't in null: because CCP haven't been given a compelling argument to put them there yet. I intend to give them one. You get pirate faction BPCs from escalations, probed down combat sites, and faction spawns in belts and anoms. You cannot buy faction blueprints from any NPC in the game. Again, this is intentional. Surreeeeeee http://www.ellatha.com/eve/LP_Stores.asp

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