Originally by: Taison

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U know - there is a problem. Yah i've read Seleens post and so on....BUT. There is 1 problem. By accepting living and building in BoB space - MC actually left the real merc buisiness. For 1 reason. Anyone wanting to strike on THEM would instatly have to deal with BoB. couse its BoB space. MC could have conquered some space without much trouble. And be true mercs. But they have choosen the easy way - attacking anyone on contract but having a safe BoB space as their harbour. Cuz noone would declare on BoB to attack MC. Thats the moment they stopped beeing mercs and became BoB pets. There are not many real mercs left - Kia seems actually the only big merc corp left... Sad it is..

Like Seleen said - they needed a home to build. But that means that the there can be no speach of neutrality - cuz if u go to someone's space to build and live - then that someone is interested to keep that space. So no chance of attacking....Easy mode FTW.

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Originally by: d'Mortaigne

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So, once again you are on BoB's side. Exactly what was the news here? Oh and please dont stop pretending to be mercenaries, its hilarious!

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: d'Mortaigne

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So, once again you are on BoB's side. Exactly what was the news here? Oh and please dont stop pretending to be mercenaries, its hilarious!

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1. You and your allies refuse to hire MC.

2. BoB is the only one giving MC any remotely reasonable offer.

3. MC, of course, takes the BoB offer, given none other.

4. Complain about 3).

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Originally by: Becca Manns

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Edited by: Becca Manns on 28/02/2007 03:12:02
Maybe you should look up "especially" while you're at it.

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Originally by: Hubris

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Edited by: Hubris on 28/02/2007 03:03:10
well first i welcome you to the fighting. Its just not a total eve war without everyone at the party.

Secondly some have mentioned "how can you be a merc when you live in someone else's space". Well the answer to that is: you can't.

I my opinion if you own space or are given space you really can't be a true merc group. We roamed space for a very long time taking contracts and pirating in the off time. Thats true merc work. Sticking to what you do best, ie: killing....

There has been a few times that due to personal reasons we go in full against one side or another. And working tacticaly with one group to see the goal reached in a more timely manner. We are up front an honest about it when asked for our reasons. We are no ones pet mercs. Because you can't be a pet to a group and be a merc also.

also your name just doesn't make sense under the current situation.

Main Entry: 1mer+ce+nary
Pronunciation: 'm&r-s&-"ner-E, -ne-rE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -nar+ies
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin mercenarius, irregular from merced-, merces wages --
: one that serves merely for wages; especially : a soldier hired into foreign service

The key part is "a soldier hired into foreign service". If you live in a corner of bob space given to you by bob (but still considered bob space) you are no longer "a soldier hired into foreign service". That is domestic not foreign.

By the true def. of the word you need to change your alliance name.

sorry for the rant but word def's not used correctly or argued correctly tend to bring out the forum ***** in me.

can't wait to see you out in space!

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Originally by: Marko Debreault

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Seleene says she would have been receptive to dialogue, no one tried except BoB, and now she's working for BoB.

At this point there are two options.

1. Take her at her word.
2. Think she's lying and that she would never work against BoB.

This leads me to one of two conclusions about the folks who are fighting BoB.

A. They are dumb, or
B. They are making bad decisions because they are not viewing the situation clearly. Preconceptions have blinded them to obvious choices.

Which brings us back to the other option for the way to treat Seleene's post.

2. Think she's lying and that she would never work against BoB.

If someone thinks Seleene is lying and would never fight BoB, that person is displaying the sort of preconceptions that kept the folks who are fighting BoB and LV from contacting her in the first place. They have not yet recognized that their preconceptions caused them to miss an opportunity and that those preconceptions need to be acknowledged and revised. The MC is role playing Mercenaries in EVE. If you approach them in a reasonable fashion and offer them a reasonable deal, they'll fight people for you.

That's what I think.

On a side note, good riddance to Hugh. That guy is a total weenie.

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Originally by: Larsson7

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Originally by: Dragerest

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Originally by: Larsson7

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What the hell, Sel??

I go for 2 days and THEN you decide to have a boatload of fun???

I love these people who speak on the MC/BoB relationship as if they are some authority on the subject. BoB have always been respectful, honorable and courteous to members of the MC.

MC leadership will have made their decision based on knowing how BoB have treated them and dealt with them since 05.

BDCI/FRICK/CONIN/ETNY on your doorstep, combined with DICE/BNC/EVOL/RKK/TAOSP is a frightening prospect for anyone.

Deny that fact and you are simply deluding yourself

Much <3 to all my old brothers and sister in the MC!

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i think you have been away for longer than that if you think that -A- went after MC. but i'm sure they will be happy to know that when one alliance attack them -A- are known as the whole north going after MC.. go back to wow

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I have actually decided to come back to the MC and kill you rather than go to WoW.

See you in space

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Originally by: Nessa Aldeen

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Funny. Did MC 'contract' BOB and pets to come help them in L5?

Oh yeah, not, i guess they were just roaming with 200 ships and a titan and just happen to be there because MC is neutral. We must be blind that BOB who operates NBSI in their space is allowing Mercs to stay there. All merc corps should stay in BOB space too because you will be neutral. They will even allow construction of capital ships, so apply now mercs! You can still be neutral to BOB. It isnt their fault they choose to live in Period Basis, right in BOB land and get associated with BOB. It was the only system in the whole of EVE that was safe for mercs and you can still be neutral to BOB.

I also wonder members of MC have actually joined BOB and vice versa, oh wait.. thats out of their own volition. MC is still neutral.

Hire them coalition because we are dumb to see how neutral MC really is!

Oh btw -A- isnt part of the coalition, we are too busy complexing, doing login traps, exploiting, isk trading for real money in russia to feed our 29 family members, to care about the war.

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Originally by: Vily

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You claim that AAA is not part of the coalition. Yet, you have actively supported the coalition more than MC has assisted BOB's allies. You must be addressed as part of the coalition because you act as a third front of attack.

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Originally by: Baun

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Edited by: Baun on 28/02/2007 04:13:55

Originally by: Vily

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You claim that AAA is not part of the coalition. Yet, you have actively supported the coalition more than MC has assisted BOB's allies. You must be addressed as part of the coalition because you act as a third front of attack.

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This makes no sense.

MC sent a mothership to guard a BoB dread fleet shooting an IRON (read coalition) POS in a system that no AAA pilots had been fighting in, much less POS fighting in.

I have spent probably 48 actual hours just doing POS related fighting since the war started and I can't recall even seeing an AAA pilot in the same system with me (except probably in Jita or Agil) much less in the same gang with me.

MC has been actively present against the coalition in Querious since well before this announcement, while AAA has been almost exclusively fighting in other regions. Yet, you insist that they were somehow more a part of the fighting with the coalition than MC was?

Furthermore, how can you simultaneously claim that AAA attacking you in period basis represents a "third front in the war" and claim to have been (or to still be) neutral? If you were neutral then when they attacked you they entered into an entirely separate conflict from the one between BoB and the north. That AAA also shot BoB should be completely irrelevant to you if you are neutral to BoB.

How can you possibly claim to be neutral and claim that AAA's attack on your space represents a third front of the coalition's attack against an entity that you claim not to be a part of?

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Originally by: Vily

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Reputation is a curios thing.

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Originally by: Vily

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It makes complete sense.

I do not know what Waagaa's intention's were with the Mothership and the BOB fleet were. I was not there and can make no claims to what happened. However the exception to the rule is not the standard. that is the exception unless you can provide me with another example.

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AAA has not as far as I am aware assisted recently in the coalitions efforts in querious. yet they were there at the start correct? a full fleet of them if i recall. Just because they have no assisted you does not mean they are not fighting along the same side as you.

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There is not a single kill on the MC killboard in querious. (aside from ppl warping to our POS) not a single one.

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we have not been involved in fighting querious. so yes, what i insist is 100% correct.

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I make that claim because AAA attacked MC for two days then moved into Delve. we have the occassional raiding party into j8 now and then, but thats about it. AAA has focused their efforts on BOB almost exclusively since we recharged our POS over a week ago. no AAA member will deny this i think. That is why i made the assertion of a third front on BOB.

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If you will carefully read my post. you will not see me making the assertiong that MC is nuetral. Now that we are in this conflict we are in it. Before this, we were doing our best to be nuetral by not engaging in offensive warfare against any of the parties who had not fully made their intention 100% clear to us.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: d'Mortaigne

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So, once again you are on BoB's side. Exactly what was the news here? Oh and please dont stop pretending to be mercenaries, its hilarious!

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1. You and your allies refuse to hire MC.

2. BoB is the only one giving MC any remotely reasonable offer.

3. MC, of course, takes the BoB offer, given none other.

4. Complain about 3).

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Originally by: Baun

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Originally by: Vily

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It makes complete sense.

I do not know what Waagaa's intention's were with the Mothership and the BOB fleet were. I was not there and can make no claims to what happened. However the exception to the rule is not the standard. that is the exception unless you can provide me with another example.

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So you *were* neutral when you mothership guarded a BoB fleet defending against an attack by an entity that had nothing to do with your conflict against AAA?

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AAA has not as far as I am aware assisted recently in the coalitions efforts in querious. yet they were there at the start correct? a full fleet of them if i recall. Just because they have no assisted you does not mean they are not fighting along the same side as you.

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Similiar just because MC was not engaged in widespread offensive action against the coalition in querious does not mean that you were not fighting alongside BoB the entire time. See above.

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There is not a single kill on the MC killboard in querious. (aside from ppl warping to our POS) not a single one.

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Here again is where you make no sense. Let us follow the logic here.

MC has a small POS in 9cg, which is a BoB owned system in Querious. That POS was set to shoot the northern coalition pilots yet was set not to shoot BoB or FIX.

If you were neutral why was the POS not set to shoot everyone or to shoot no one? As you said yourself it shot and killed at least a few northern players but it did nothing to the FIX and BoB who went near it.

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we have not been involved in fighting querious. so yes, what i insist is 100% correct.

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So the presence of motherships in hostile capital fleets belonging to BoB and POS(s) which are set to shoot one side and not the other is not involvement? But, AAA passing through the region at the beggining is involvement?

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I make that claim because AAA attacked MC for two days then moved into Delve. we have the occassional raiding party into j8 now and then, but thats about it. AAA has focused their efforts on BOB almost exclusively since we recharged our POS over a week ago. no AAA member will deny this i think. That is why i made the assertion of a third front on BOB.

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So AAA which originally entered the war by attacking the Mc and then who chose to attack BoB as well is somehow more partisan than the MC which fought with BoB against the northern forces unprovoked the entire time?

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If you will carefully read my post. you will not see me making the assertiong that MC is nuetral. Now that we are in this conflict we are in it. Before this, we were doing our best to be nuetral by not engaging in offensive warfare against any of the parties who had not fully made their intention 100% clear to us.

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Explain why your 40 billion isk ship was helping BoB and why you had standings set so that your POSs would should only our side and not their side and/or why you had POSs in relevant Querious systems at all. You were never neutral, you never have been and this is all highly disingenuous BS that treats your potential clients like complete morons.

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Originally by: D1ck Jones

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Edited by: D1ck Jones on 28/02/2007 05:23:42

Originally by: Baun

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Originally by: Vily

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It makes complete sense.

I do not know what Waagaa's intention's were with the Mothership and the BOB fleet were. I was not there and can make no claims to what happened. However the exception to the rule is not the standard. that is the exception unless you can provide me with another example.

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So you *were* neutral when you mothership guarded a BoB fleet defending against an attack by an entity that had nothing to do with your conflict against AAA?

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AAA has not as far as I am aware assisted recently in the coalitions efforts in querious. yet they were there at the start correct? a full fleet of them if i recall. Just because they have no assisted you does not mean they are not fighting along the same side as you.

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Similiar just because MC was not engaged in widespread offensive action against the coalition in querious does not mean that you were not fighting alongside BoB the entire time. See above.

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There is not a single kill on the MC killboard in querious. (aside from ppl warping to our POS) not a single one.

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Here again is where you make no sense. Let us follow the logic here.

MC has a small POS in 9cg, which is a BoB owned system in Querious. That POS was set to shoot the northern coalition pilots yet was set not to shoot BoB or FIX.

If you were neutral why was the POS not set to shoot everyone or to shoot no one? As you said yourself it shot and killed at least a few northern players but it did nothing to the FIX and BoB who went near it.

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we have not been involved in fighting querious. so yes, what i insist is 100% correct.

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So the presence of motherships in hostile capital fleets belonging to BoB and POS(s) which are set to shoot one side and not the other is not involvement? But, AAA passing through the region at the beggining is involvement?

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I make that claim because AAA attacked MC for two days then moved into Delve. we have the occassional raiding party into j8 now and then, but thats about it. AAA has focused their efforts on BOB almost exclusively since we recharged our POS over a week ago. no AAA member will deny this i think. That is why i made the assertion of a third front on BOB.

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So AAA which originally entered the war by attacking the Mc and then who chose to attack BoB as well is somehow more partisan than the MC which fought with BoB against the northern forces unprovoked the entire time?

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If you will carefully read my post. you will not see me making the assertiong that MC is nuetral. Now that we are in this conflict we are in it. Before this, we were doing our best to be nuetral by not engaging in offensive warfare against any of the parties who had not fully made their intention 100% clear to us.

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Explain why your 40 billion isk ship was helping BoB and why you had standings set so that your POSs would should only our side and not their side and/or why you had POSs in relevant Querious systems at all. You were never neutral, you never have been and this is all highly disingenuous BS that treats your potential clients like complete morons.

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omg, is this e-law time?

seiously, you asked the same question 1000 times, if you havent gotten an answer to your liking yet, all the quoting and e-law isnt gonna get you isnt gonna get you your answer I'm afraid.

why dont you save your quotation time nd spend it trying to learn how to not suck ingame? I mean, all I see is fix and bob wiping the floor with you northern weaklings.

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: Liet Traep

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I've mentioned it before in other threads but it bears repeating here. MC has an image problem. If not one of the alliances involved in this conflict against BoD even approached you there must be a reason. MC is a professional corp whose services are very effective. I think the reason no one tried to buy your services is because it appears that they can't be bought. You maintain differently. I know I'll never have the isk personally to hire you so I can only speculate.

MC does not appear neutral.

That's your problem right there. You have close ties to to BoD. Members of MC who post on the forums are obviously fanboi's. You won't take a contract against BoD against it's worth it to you. This causes a perception. There's a reason why ASCN set you to negatives before. There's a reason why AAA attacked you. You appear to be BoD pets. I think your rep is tarnished.

If you want to be taken seriously as neutral mercenaries then you need to fix that perception. Do whatever it takes for people to consider you more than BoD's personal militia. Imagine how much money you could have made in a bidding war for your services in this current conflict. The problem is no one was willing to bid because you already look bought and sold for.

My .02 isk

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