Originally by: Yuki Li

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It's funny how the bitter coalition burst into cries of "I KNEW IT". You didn't know jack from jill, you're talking crap about the best Mercs in the game - they're that because they stuck to their guns/policies, and calling them for living in period basis is ridiculous.

In their shoes, i'd be living in Period Basis too - an alliance as ambitious as the MC would need a stable region to work out of, and the only time i've ever seen Period Basis "unstable" in the entire time BoB has controlled it, was the fifteen minutes in which ASCN looked like they may have had some vague idea where f1-f8 was on the keyboard.

So really, tinfoils hats off kids, MC made a wise decision with region choice, and the only reason you "KNEW IT" is because BoB aren't stupid, and went ahead and hired them.

If your coalition of genius had any strategic intelligence at all, you'd have hired MC yourselves, instead of calling them names and attacking them.

Tough cookies, kids, too little too late.

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Originally by: Vily

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Originally by: Baun

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Edited by: Baun on 28/02/2007 04:13:55

Originally by: Vily

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You claim that AAA is not part of the coalition. Yet, you have actively supported the coalition more than MC has assisted BOB's allies. You must be addressed as part of the coalition because you act as a third front of attack.

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This makes no sense.

MC sent a mothership to guard a BoB dread fleet shooting an IRON (read coalition) POS in a system that no AAA pilots had been fighting in, much less POS fighting in.

I have spent probably 48 actual hours just doing POS related fighting since the war started and I can't recall even seeing an AAA pilot in the same system with me (except probably in Jita or Agil) much less in the same gang with me.

MC has been actively present against the coalition in Querious since well before this announcement, while AAA has been almost exclusively fighting in other regions. Yet, you insist that they were somehow more a part of the fighting with the coalition than MC was?

Furthermore, how can you simultaneously claim that AAA attacking you in period basis represents a "third front in the war" and claim to have been (or to still be) neutral? If you were neutral then when they attacked you they entered into an entirely separate conflict from the one between BoB and the north. That AAA also shot BoB should be completely irrelevant to you if you are neutral to BoB.

How can you possibly claim to be neutral and claim that AAA's attack on your space represents a third front of the coalition's attack against an entity that you claim not to be a part of?

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It makes complete sense.

I do not know what Waagaa's intention's were with the Mothership and the BOB fleet were. I was not there and can make no claims to what happened. However the exception to the rule is not the standard. that is the exception unless you can provide me with another example.

AAA has not as far as I am aware assisted recently in the coalitions efforts in querious. yet they were there at the start correct? a full fleet of them if i recall. Just because they have no assisted you does not mean they are not fighting along the same side as you.There is not a single kill on the MC killboard in querious. (aside from ppl warping to our POS) not a single one. we have not been involved in fighting querious. so yes, what i insist is 100% correct.

I make that claim because AAA attacked MC for two days then moved into Delve. we have the occassional raiding party into j8 now and then, but thats about it. AAA has focused their efforts on BOB almost exclusively since we recharged our POS over a week ago. no AAA member will deny this i think. That is why i made the assertion of a third front on BOB.

If you will carefully read my post. you will not see me making the assertiong that MC is nuetral. Now that we are in this conflict we are in it. Before this, we were doing our best to be nuetral by not engaging in offensive warfare against any of the parties who had not fully made their intention 100% clear to us.

and to cptblood,

our contract details are not available to the public, but hopefully within a few days you can make some well informed guesses as to what we have been asked to help with.

that's about as good an answer as I can give you.

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Originally by: Vily

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You claim that AAA is not part of the coalition. Yet, you have actively supported the coalition more than MC has assisted BOB's allies. You must be addressed as part of the coalition because you act as a third front of attack. Much as people clamor for MC to prove our nuetrality, I would be interested to see AAA prove their nuetrality.

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Originally by: Seleene

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Edited by: Seleene on 28/02/2007 06:21:08

I think ten pages of informed opinions is enough. It's on, Buffy rules and everyone knows it. See you all where it matters - in the game. Mods, feel free to padlock this one.

EDIT - This also means that if you're in MC you have better things to do than post in this forum right now.

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Originally by: Noggy

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Seleene

I see why you want to close your thread. You have spun up a propoganda yarn stating something that NO ONE believes.

I don't buy it and neither does anyone else...

So this won't come as a surprise to you seleene,

See you in Space BOB PET!

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Originally by: NeverL

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=) long live the coalition.

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Originally by: Econyphic

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Im new to this game.

I have friends trying to fill me in on all the politics but from where I stand, I see a very simple reason why everyone wants bob/mc dead.

The anti-bob crew are tired of being dominated. It also seems that the coalition's leaders have used this as a selling point and have brain washed their pilots. I just see so much regurgatated rhetoric againt the mc/bob pilots and a noticeably lack of rhetoric coming from the mc/bob pilots. Anyone else think that is strange?

It is amuzing to see the shear amount of pilots the coalition has had to amass in order to get the cajones to bring down BoB.

On the other side. I hear BoB has been wanting a war like this for a long time? They also have superior pilots?

If bob wins what happens to the coalition? If bob loses have the coalition leaders decided how the space will be divided?

I dont know who I personally want to win. I like under dogs... but I cant figure out who the under dog is in this war. Who do you guys think the under dog is?

I know i'll be putting away my mining lasers for a shuttle to go watch the fireworks. Which system has the majority of the pvp'ing??

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Originally by: Cipher7

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Its like if the Imperial Star Destroyers flew past the X-Wing fighters and started flying circles around them, it would turn Star Wars into a slapstick comedy a-la Benny Hill instead

Originally by: Malachon Draco

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If you're new to this game, you haven't seen the foulmouthed, arrogant and self-absorbed rhetoric spewed forth by BoB pilots for years.

They're keeping silent now as a propaganda ploy and instead we've seen numerous alts suddenly prop up to advocate the case for them so they're not directly involved. Smart move of course, but most of the veterans will recognize the strategy for what it is.

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Originally by: Marko Debreault

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Seleene says she would have been receptive to dialogue, no one tried except BoB, and now she's working for BoB.

At this point there are two options.

1. Take her at her word.
2. Think she's lying and that she would never work against BoB.

I for one take her at her word. My personal experiences with Seleene have led me to believe she is an individual who enters new situations with an open mind. She's interested in doing cool things in EVE, she has the interests of her alliance at heart, and, in her own words, she "knows how to conduct good business."

If you wanted to hire her to attack BoB you'd have to make it worth her while, isk-wise and assurance wise, ie - "if BoB wins, you can live over in this section of our space where you can build a sweet little carebear retreat like the one you have in Period Basis right now." Then you'd have to show her that you stand a chance of winning and that your gameplan is reasonable. "Go kill their POS's" won't cut it - a step by step campaign outline would be needed, while displaying the sort of competence and charisma that would inspire the MC to treat you as a valuable partner in the campaign.

Once you negotiated with the MC you'd get the services of a measly 40-70 man capital ship fleet, 100 veterans, eve-wide logistics network, dozen capable FC's ... thats only worth 10 billion isk a week if you want to win.

I believe that this was a possibility until Seleene accepted BoB's offer. But now the MC is off the market, and in BoB's employ until further notice. And they never received a dialogue from the folks who are fighting BoB. This leads me to one of two conclusions about the folks who are fighting BoB.

A. They are dumb, or
B. They are making bad decisions because they are not viewing the situation clearly. Preconceptions have blinded them to obvious choices.

*snip* Be nice -Elmo Pug ([email protected]), but there are some masterminds who have the vision to examine the entire campaign in a unified fashion. Those folks are fighting to win, and by not opening a dialogue with the MC they may have given a weapon to their enemy.

Which brings us back to the other option for the way to treat Seleene's post.

2. Think she's lying and that she would never work against BoB.

If someone thinks Seleene is lying and would never fight BoB, that person is displaying the sort of preconceptions that kept the folks who are fighting BoB and LV from contacting her in the first place. They have not yet recognized that their preconceptions caused them to miss an opportunity and that those preconceptions need to be acknowledged and revised. The MC is role playing Mercenaries in EVE. If you approach them in a reasonable fashion and offer them a reasonable deal, they'll fight people for you.

That's what I think.

On a side note, good riddance to Hugh. That guy is a total weenie.

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Originally by: Seleene

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Edited by: Seleene on 28/02/2007 06:21:08

I think ten pages of informed opinions is enough. It's on, Buffy rules and everyone knows it. See you all where it matters - in the game. Mods, feel free to padlock this one.

EDIT - This also means that if you're in MC you have better things to do than post in this forum right now.

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Originally by: Herculite

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Originally by: Ewa Quillam

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@Marko : Your jugement is biased since you assume MC are doing cool stuff, but later you are tacking into consideration the isk factor.

The coolest and funniest and most interesting thing for MC to do would have been to fight against BoB. Instead they've chosen, well they didn't chose, nothing has changed. So this is where all begins and ends.

Waiting 2 weeks to think and wait for offers? Who are we kidding around... The war is supposed to last months and even more. Pausing 2 weeks after finishing doubtfull contracts is let's say... light and doubtfull.

By the way, contracting works both way, you have to gain the client's trust. As a result, MC has won only BoB's and BoB's allies trust.

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Since when is joining the zerg cool?

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Originally by: Fitz Regal

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Originally by: Herculite

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Originally by: Ewa Quillam

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@Marko : Your jugement is biased since you assume MC are doing cool stuff, but later you are tacking into consideration the isk factor.

The coolest and funniest and most interesting thing for MC to do would have been to fight against BoB. Instead they've chosen, well they didn't chose, nothing has changed. So this is where all begins and ends.

Waiting 2 weeks to think and wait for offers? Who are we kidding around... The war is supposed to last months and even more. Pausing 2 weeks after finishing doubtfull contracts is let's say... light and doubtfull.

By the way, contracting works both way, you have to gain the client's trust. As a result, MC has won only BoB's and BoB's allies trust.

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Since when is joining the zerg cool?

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Anything is cooler than working for The Man.

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Originally by: Fedaykinn

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one question. If the coalition does win and destroys bob and co. Whos gonna contract MC then? The big alliances left will just be the ones you fought. And there never gonna contract you again. Thus your idea of a mercenery force will be non existant.

Who knows

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Originally by: NeverL

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Originally by: Fedaykinn

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one question. If the coalition does win and destroys bob and co. Whos gonna contract MC then? The big alliances left will just be the ones you fought. And there never gonna contract you again. Thus your idea of a mercenery force will be non existant.

Who knows

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i bet MC will be hired within a week after the war ends.

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Originally by: Seleene

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Edited by: Seleene on 28/02/2007 06:21:08

I think ten pages of informed opinions is enough. It's on, Buffy rules and everyone knows it. See you all where it matters - in the game. Mods, feel free to padlock this one.

EDIT - This also means that if you're in MC you have better things to do than post in this forum right now.

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