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Vegas Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.02.27 19:48:00 - [121] Originally by: Ebedar If someone else had offered the same deal to attack BoB that BoB have offered you to attack the 'Northern Coalition', would you have taken it? Free Tech II Bpo's? -------------------------------------------- Originally by: Mokelo Just browsing the killboards and wow someone just got owned. Originally by: Ulynidd Yes you got owned for posting with an alt.
KHan 01 Amarr Standard Aerospace	Posted - 2007.02.27 19:49:00 - [122] Originally by: Gabba Cyvok said he offered 100bil, but Seleene said something about not taking anything with no clear goals set, or something to that effect. I also remember something about 60bil brought up. Quote: If anything, this should prove that the MC is a true mercenary force. They KNEW how this would look. They KNEW what people would say. There was a goal set, it was to take out BOB. MC didnt accept because they are bob pets.
Ace Frehley Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.27 19:53:00 - [123] Crap i forgot to add before I join "Multsanatiy" on the left side. You take a "contract" on the north. Why should the "north" sit back and just take it in their own space, when they can strike back at you assets??? Why doin this, you decide that you had no chooise but take a side.. Utter bull**** If they attack your assets in bob-space, who should defend it? You whine that people dont act proffesional and dont resett standings after contract etc etc, so who will defend your assets when under attack? bob, you? Would you be so professinal that restett standing after skirmish on you assets?? You basiclly shot yourself in the foot when you decided to live in someone else backyard. Btw whining that your assets being hit when you attacking someone else by "helping" a friend doesent give + scores. The someone else friend maybe wants to help his friend. But it is good that you confirmed some atleast. Btw I gonna set up my own merc alliance and live in impass under AAA rule. I will take contracts against anyone as long as they arent blue to AAA or AAA themself. If you attack AAA i will be forced to take actions and "take a contract" against the agressor of AAA. I wounder if this add would create any wierd conspericy, atleast I¦m saying it loud and clear instead of trying deny it Girljerms is more lethal then a fleet of 1000 Tempests Yeah I¦m nude, I¦m a swede and I¦m armed with bad jokes [url="http://www.
Admentus Cor'vion Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.27 19:55:00 - [124] Edited by: Admentus Cor''vion on 27/02/2007 19:51:18 Originally by: KHan 01 Originally by: Gabba Cyvok said he offered 100bil, but Seleene said something about not taking anything with no clear goals set, or something to that effect. I also remember something about 60bil brought up. Quote: If anything, this should prove that the MC is a true mercenary force. They KNEW how this would look. They KNEW what people would say. There was a goal set, it was to take out BOB. MC didnt accept because they are bob pets. Or you could go to the more common reason of which contracts are refused : Lack of a plan. 1) Collect Underpants 2) __________________ ? 3) Profit!
Ewa Quillam Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.27 19:58:00 - [125] The OP is insulting the inteligence of many, many people... On the other hand why FIX didn't spend their money on you? It was easy money anyway and it seems MC knows to spend it better. FIX's clients lost 1/5 of the payement in one day and one system alone... On the other other hand, BoB seems quite desperate!!! And indeed there are a lot of excuses for a "mercenary contract" like someone here wrote.
vladdy2 VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.27 19:59:00 - [126] Like alot of others have said "suprise" NOT! nuetral schmutral. You have not nor ever been nuetral, your a paid killer, and most times the perception is you side with BoB & Co. And the perception is that you always would. The other perception is that it would take a mountain of isk to get you to choose to go at them. Well i beleive people and their mountains of isk have plans for it as opposed to throwing it at you, for two weeks, then have you then shooting same said entities the week after. You want to prove your Nuetrality? you want to prove the gaggle wrong? How about you convince -A- of your neutrality, get them to end the fight there in your home space and you stay the hell out of this war and not join it on Either side. Lock your peeps in your home till this is over, Sit on the sidelines and watch. Then you'd have some kind of claim to be that so called "nuetral" enity. yea i know you won't do that, its not in your "cards" right? blah blah ---------------------------------
Zap Zaberdine D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:00:00 - [127] Originally by: Vily Originally by: Xthril Ranger Originally by: Seleene .... Believe me when I say that we were curious to see what might happen. While it’s obvious that many have doubts about the MC’s neutrality, we held out hope that some of the leaders of the ‘Coalition’ would at least attempt to see past all of the assumptions and opinions on these forums and present us with a real dilemma. ...... It is not the Coalition that have failed to see that MC where neutral , it is the MC that have failed in convincing potential customers that they where neutral. I think this is a really interesting quote. Because it rings with alot of truth. Perhaps we HAVE failed to show our nuetrality. Yes action we have taken in the past taint that nuetraility to others. nonetheless we try to prove it. Alot of the posts in this thread will say we saw it coming, or you weren't nuetral to begin with. I think Crovan's point of a self-fulfilling prophecy fit in very well with that. We aren't preaching neutrality in this war anymore. we have been paid to take a side, and I don't foresee any way in which we will be able to switch sides now that we have begun down this path. I would like to wish AAA and MM and RZR and d2 and IRON and FREE and GOONS and IAC and (synch) and sparta and all the rest good fights to come. We will enjoy them to the best we can, I hope you will do the same. no good luck to triumvirate though. you evil greifers dont need it. Taking that as a compliment. HF everyone involved! Zap
Xendie Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:01:00 - [128] not much suprise though seleene. you have never accepted a contract against bob i dont think you ever had a contract against any bob allies you have worked for bob on many occations. why do you think that the "we have a contract" thing will actually be believed by anyone? as evil thug said, whats changed? Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:02:00 - [129] Wow. That's a lot of whining. Someone is worrying that MC will now go on an offensive?
Marko Debreault 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:03:00 - [130] Seleene says she would have been receptive to dialogue, no one tried except BoB, and now she's working for BoB. At this point there are two options. 1. Take her at her word. 2. Think she's lying and that she would never work against BoB. I for one take her at her word. My personal experiences with Seleene have led me to believe she is an individual who enters new situations with an open mind. She's interested in doing cool things in EVE, she has the interests of her alliance at heart, and, in her own words, she "knows how to conduct good business." If you wanted to hire her to attack BoB you'd have to make it worth her while, isk-wise and assurance wise, ie - "if BoB wins, you can live over in this section of our space where you can build a sweet little carebear retreat like the one you have in Period Basis right now." Then you'd have to show her that you stand a chance of winning and that your gameplan is reasonable. "Go kill their POS's" won't cut it - a step by step campaign outline would be needed, while displaying the sort of competence and charisma that would inspire the MC to treat you as a valuable partner in the campaign. Once you negotiated with the MC you'd get the services of a measly 40-70 man capital ship fleet, 100 veterans, eve-wide logistics network, dozen capable FC's ... thats only worth 10 billion isk a week if you want to win. I believe that this was a possibility until Seleene accepted BoB's offer. But now the MC is off the market, and in BoB's employ until further notice. And they never received a dialogue from the folks who are fighting BoB. This leads me to one of two conclusions about the folks who are fighting BoB. A. They are dumb, or B. They are making bad decisions because they are not viewing the situation clearly. Preconceptions have blinded them to obvious choices. snip Be nice -Elmo Pug ([email protected]), but there are some masterminds who have the vision to examine the entire campaign in a unified fashion. Those folks are fighting to win, and by not opening a dialogue with the MC they may have given a weapon to their enemy. Which brings us back to the other option for the way to treat Seleene's post. 2. Think she's lying and that she would never work against BoB. If someone thinks Seleene is lying and would never fight BoB, that person is displaying the sort of preconceptions that kept the folks who are fighting BoB and LV from contacting her in the first place. They have not yet recognized that their preconceptions caused them to miss an opportunity and that those preconceptions need to be acknowledged and revised. The MC is role playing Mercenaries in EVE. If you approach them in a reasonable fashion and offer them a reasonable deal, they'll fight people for you. That's what I think. On a side note, good riddance to Hugh. That guy is a total weenie.
xHomicide Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:03:00 - [131] did someone bump and old thread? --- http://www.razor-eve.org/killboard/?a=kills Your Signature exceeds max allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels. Mail us if you have any questions -Eldo
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:03:00 - [132] Edited by: Beyond Horizon on 27/02/2007 20:01:43 I found no comments about -A-, will you just ignore them and go fight the Coalition? Not a very smart move imo =/ -
Lunas Feelgood Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:06:00 - [133] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Edited by: Christopher Multsanti on 27/02/2007 19:49:47 Edited by: Christopher Multsanti on 27/02/2007 19:30:47 Originally by: Seleene Since that time, the MC has kept our own counsel, waiting to see if any of the entities opposing Band of Brothers would come forward with an offer worthy of our services. Believe me when I say that we were curious to see what might happen. While itÆs obvious that many have doubts about the MCÆs neutrality, we held out hope that some of the leaders of the æCoalitionÆ would at least attempt to see past all of the assumptions and opinions on these forums and present us with a real dilemma. Many believe that accepting this contract ôproves they were right all alongö. Nothing could be further from the truth. The MC does nothing ôfor freeö and now we are unleashed. No matter what happens, we will emerge from this stronger than ever. ItÆs going to be fun! Ok here I go again: Originally by: Seleene May 06, MC Forums Whose side are we on? Short answer? Our own. Long answer? BoB But what if BoB loses? We're ******! To be honest, I can't even entertain this idea. It's laughable to be honest. Anyone that thinks BoB would lose a fight like this really doesn't understand BoB and I'd also question whether you really understand the organization you are a part of, the MC. Laarson said it best in a post he made yesterday. BoB is a war machine, unmatched by anyone. Delve will turn into a graveyard for anyone who tries to uproot them or tries to occupy the area. The best an attacker can hope to do is delay any plans BoB might have. The bad men made me do it!! /me exits stage left. READ it peeps, this is from MC own forum, seleene wrote this.. And people wonder why some of us cant stop laughing when Selene then goto EVE-O and posting lies..
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:06:00 - [134] Just curious now. If both sides put every pod pilot they have in one system how many pod pilots will that be Serious though, Goons and Friends = I think 800-1000. Now add on all of BoB / MC / and all other friends. The only loser I really see in this war is the Nodes. AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play.
Ferocious FeAr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:07:00 - [135] I totally forgot this was a game after reading some of the replies. No need to throw out opinions, after all everyone up north will believe one thing and everyone in the south will believe another. Enjoy the game, leave politics for politicians. We are just playing an online game. Keep it that way! Don't hate me, learn to love me
Krugerrand 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:09:00 - [136] have fun chaps
Jam Sponge Incorporated Inc LTD	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:10:00 - [137] lol who would have guessed MC would work for BOB? im mean honestly what aload of turkey dash, same old dribble imo. My respect for MC went as soon as NSN left. I like Filth
Varheg Xan Athanasius Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:11:00 - [138] Go get 'em MC!
Alowishus	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:12:00 - [139] Edited by: Alowishus on 27/02/2007 20:11:31 1) MC has always been a class organization. 2) People like to theorize about MC's relationship with BoB, but ultimately, regardless of what that relationship is, nobody in Eve answers to anyone else in Eve. Period. 3) All the whiners and smacktalkers in this thread are merely jealous or afraid. 4) This is another page in a soon to be completed book about former ASCN members and soon to be former D2 members having a crymeeting in Yulai where they will mine Veldspar and hold eachother. 5) I am always right.
Emeline Cabernet Amarr Old Farts	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:13:00 - [140] mc got a titan now?
Morris Falter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:15:00 - [141] That's it then, the end of the "biggest and best" mercenary organisation in eve. The announcement stinks of whitewash... If the new regions were so appealing, you could have sold your outposts to bobbits or "residents" and gone for it. Instead you chose to stay. MC awaited an offer from one of the coalition to be involved in this conflict. No such offer was made to you, but at the same time, no invitation for an offer was made. No "end of contract" announcement was made for the northern campaign.. so it was no doubt assumed that this was ongoing by any prospective employers... I certainly thought it was (not that I count for much but meh, everyone else is getting their oar in so why not... ^^). I don't have a problem with a small alliance such as MC (numerically, I mean) wanting to defend their turf, but this claim of neutrality is a sham, and more than a little insulting.. Saddest thing is, you could have claimed that neutrality, and probably a bit more respect from the world at large.. instead, there you are, on BoB's teamspeak, in their gangs, in their space and frankly, with their collar round your neck.
Ewa Quillam Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:15:00 - [142] @Marko : Your jugement is biased since you assume MC are doing cool stuff, but later you are tacking into consideration the isk factor. The coolest and funniest and most interesting thing for MC to do would have been to fight against BoB. Instead they've chosen, well they didn't chose, nothing has changed. So this is where all begins and ends. Waiting 2 weeks to think and wait for offers? Who are we kidding around... The war is supposed to last months and even more. Pausing 2 weeks after finishing doubtfull contracts is let's say... light and doubtfull. By the way, contracting works both way, you have to gain the client's trust. As a result, MC has won only BoB's and BoB's allies trust.
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:15:00 - [143] Originally by: Alowishus 3) All the whiners and smacktalkers in this thread are merely jealous or afraid. Can anyone explain to me why this announcement would cause anyone to be afraid? The MC was already fighting the Northern Coalition, at best this announcement is an underwhelming overdramatized confirmation of something that was already readily observable. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Togakure Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:17:00 - [144] Edited by: Togakure on 27/02/2007 20:13:17 Fashionably late but welcome to the party nonetheless.
Hatuk Black Lance	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:17:00 - [145] so lets see... MC = BoDs (i mean BoBs, sorry) alts everyone knows that. im not saying MC leaders are but at least 50% of MC members have mains in BoB (see, now im nice). personally know 2 MC guys that comfirmed me that long time ago. why i mention this? we will come to that later... all i know is that since we came to period basis there is no MC pilots to be seen. none, ZERO... maybe in 1 week few pilots i saw. and im online all day long. now where are they? wtf, we in their base... answer is simple: they logged in BoB (nice again) accounts and fighting in fountain and querios... yes a man has limitation to how many accounts he can be logged at same time. so when seleene comes here and posts this "anouncement" what can we see? a) BoB (nice 1 more time) bought themselves 1 more PC and will test their multitasking abilities even more... b) they somehow managed to stabilize the fronts in fountain and querious and will use their MC accounts to help LV in a way. LV started to come to STAIN since this morning... poor them but ok, that is another story i dont know, bobitses\MC you really think that peoples intelligence and reasoning on this forum\in this game is so low that you can "sell them" cheap propaganda story? p.s. i apologize for bad english spelling and typing, im jsut a dumb croat from the balkans
DDaisy VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:18:00 - [146] Have skipped pages 1-5 following reading the first post, as I am sure alot is stating what I am about to say. There is an age old saying of, "You made your bed, now lie in it." You chose to lie next to BoB, both geographically and in allegiance to them. Stating that it is purely economic is utter rhetoric. You would never have accepted a contract against BoB even if one had been tendered. You think you know which side your bread is buttered on. So did ASCN. BoB want all of 0.0.....that is unconditional and your allegiance to them is mistaken for that very reason. Once you have served your purpose and should they ever conquer all of 0.0....you will be out on your ear. Best keep your offices in Empire, you might need them one day. Do your pilots the courtesy of crediting them with some intelligence and say, "Sorry fellas (and ladies ) but BoB is our big butt ugly neighbour and what they say goes. They have said we pew pew the Northern forces. But good news! I have managed to convince them to let me post on the forums that we have accepted it as a contract! Yay.......go me!" See you out there......... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "In the wake of DDaisy's Megathron"
Yuki Li Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:18:00 - [147] It's funny how the bitter coalition burst into cries of "I KNEW IT". You didn't know jack from jill, you're talking crap about the best Mercs in the game - they're that because they stuck to their guns/policies, and calling them for living in period basis is ridiculous. In their shoes, i'd be living in Period Basis too - an alliance as ambitious as the MC would need a stable region to work out of, and the only time i've ever seen Period Basis "unstable" in the entire time BoB has controlled it, was the fifteen minutes in which ASCN looked like they may have had some vague idea where f1-f8 was on the keyboard. So really, tinfoils hats off kids, MC made a wise decision with region choice, and the only reason you "KNEW IT" is because BoB aren't stupid, and went ahead and hired them. If your coalition of genius had any strategic intelligence at all, you'd have hired MC yourselves, instead of calling them names and attacking them. Tough cookies, kids, too little too late. Website / Recruiting
Marko Debreault 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:18:00 - [148] Originally by: Ewa Quillam @Marko : Your jugement is biased since you assume MC are doing cool stuff, but later you are tacking into consideration the isk factor. Getting paid to fight is cool, man.
vladdy2 VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:21:00 - [149] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 27/02/2007 20:10:02 I totally forgot this was a game after reading some of the replies. After all everyone up north will believe one thing and everyone in the south will believe another. Enjoy the game, leave politics for politicians. We are just playing an online game. Keep it that way! lol the OP invited the replies it has gotten, job accomplished. so yea ---------------------------------
DANGEROUS Omega Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:22:00 - [150] My personal take :- 1) - This is not a surprise. 2) - MC were not approached by any coalition HC as it has always been honestly believed that MC and BoB are FAR to close for them to honestly be able to fight each other with TRUE venom. Therefore any and all approaches were a waste of energy. 3) - MC coming into this fight publicly and in numbers was not a FORCED decision but a choice. 4) - I always have respected the MC as GOOD and HONORABLE fighters and it is my personal hope that they maintain that fighting ethos. I would not see the MC pulling a titan stunt like BoB did for example. IMO they would take proud pleasure in attempting to pop a ship IN COMBAT. 5) - I wish them (albeit limited) luck in their fights. 6) - Adding another capital fleet to BoBs own will prove interesting 7) - WE ARE HAVING A TRUE GALACTIC WAR AND IMHO IT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT THE SERVERS CAN COPE WITH THE DEMANDS WE WOULD ALL LOVE TO PLACE ON THEM ALLOWING US TO HAVE HUGE RANGING CAPITAL MIXED 600 MAN FLEET ENGAGEMENTS!!!! 8) - i haave a new PC and OMFG its awesome!!! thank u and goodnight PS these are my personal opinions only

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