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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.01 13:59:00 -
[91]
 Originally by: Tecam Hund
This is a big step forward compared to how most of space in EVE is managed. I hope this works out for you, and you will be able to progress further in this direction.
Good luck.
OMFG OMFG OMFG,I agree with a SF guy in a freespace debate. Time to quit I think. :)
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Trist Ian
Enterprise Estonia
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.03.01 14:07:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Trist Ian on 01/03/2007 14:04:17
Yarr, new hunting-grounds..
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Tecam Hund
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.03.01 14:44:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Tecam Hund
This is a big step forward compared to how most of space in EVE is managed. I hope this works out for you, and you will be able to progress further in this direction.
Good luck.
OMFG OMFG OMFG,I agree with a SF guy in a freespace debate. Time to quit I think. :)
You probably would not have agreed with me if I explained the "progress further in this direction" part. It would include opening their space to everyone, not practice standing enclosurism (only set owners of stations you use to positive as opposed to forced napfest), remove the right of refusal, and so on.
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.01 14:46:00 -
[94]
The concept isn't all that bad, but what you haven't covered here is what you expect from a corp/alliance in order to make it +5. If it's a relatively simple procedure that place no great demands on the visitor, then a 'free trade zone' stamp is warranted I guess. But if it only applies to allies in the war, then the concept isn't very different from what we've seen implemented by the previous owners of the area months or years ago.
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The Mittani
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.03.01 14:49:00 -
[95]
There's a lot of derp derp in this thread.
Every question asked so far is answered by the handy FAQ posted in my first post one page one.
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insanebe
Caldari
soni Corp
Imperium Sonorumance
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Posted - 2007.03.01 15:12:00 -
[96]
i give it a month ....tops before every pirate and his dog gets into alt corps and starts shooting the miners :p
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.01 15:17:00 -
[97]
Originally by: The Mittani
Edited by: The Mittani on 01/03/2007 14:51:45
There's a lot of derp derp in this thread.
Every question asked so far is answered by the handy FAQ posted in my first post on page one.
I'll give you one then.
Q: I'm lazy and so is my alliance/corp. We don't want to shoot people or help out any more than we have to. Do we have to do anything at all to get standings or can we just sit and mine in peace (and dock when neutrals enter system)?
Disclaimer: Not asking on the behalf of my corporation/alliance here; the question is hypothetical and I'm just genuinely interested in the answer.
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Baline Aegis
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.01 15:38:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Baline Aegis on 01/03/2007 15:35:06
Originally by: James Snowscoran
Q: I'm lazy and so is my alliance/corp. We don't want to shoot people or help out any more than we have to. Do we have to do anything at all to get standings or can we just sit and mine in peace (and dock when neutrals enter system)?
Read one more time. The business is "you use our services (refining, docking, repairing, cloning, BPO research...), and you do nearly what you want in our space". You can cloak in a safe and do absolutely nothing, explore, mine, hunt, PVP the hostiles, trade, hide when a neutral comes...
Edit : this is not an official answer, but what i understand from the read of the FAQ
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Johnny ReeRee
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Posted - 2007.03.01 15:47:00 -
[99]
Well, this worked so well for The Big Blue, ASCN, and ISS, I certainly can't see why it won't work here! But I guess what makes it better than those is the same thing that makes it the same as everything else. Win!
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The Dokter
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.01 15:49:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Amerame
Hopefully this is just a first step toward a much larger free trade zone and the end of feudalism in Eve, and it is our wish to further develop ties and mutually beneficial trading agreement with other entities in Eve.
2) Right of Refusal : If a GoonSwarm member asks you to leave a system, you are to comply.
It's the same as every where around eve, only difference is that goons don't provide protection so you don't have to pay a fee too stay there. 
How much refining tax do you have to pay? 10%
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NereSky
Gallente
Rage of Angels
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.01 15:57:00 -
[101]
Great idea and i wish u every success in this endeavour :)
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.01 15:58:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Baline Aegis
Edited by: Baline Aegis on 01/03/2007 15:35:06
Originally by: James Snowscoran
Q: I'm lazy and so is my alliance/corp. We don't want to shoot people or help out any more than we have to. Do we have to do anything at all to get standings or can we just sit and mine in peace (and dock when neutrals enter system)?
Read one more time. The business is "you use our services (refining, docking, repairing, cloning, BPO research...), and you do nearly what you want in our space". You can cloak in a safe and do absolutely nothing, explore, mine, hunt, PVP the hostiles, trade, hide when a neutral comes...
Edit : this is not an official answer, but what i understand from the read of the FAQ
But you're not even answering my question.
I'm asking if an organization with the intent to do just that will be given standings in the first place.
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Honeymoon
Gallente
Dark Centuri Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.01 16:03:00 -
[103]
There isn't somewhere mentioned the cost for this offer.
Actually TCF charges an one time bill of 50M Isk if i got informed right ?
Goons charge you 25M isk per week per 50 member in corp, right ? minimum required 50 member in corp too as i heard ?
You should add that to you inital post, i am sure the corps thinking about your generous offer wanna know that forehand.
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Ozzie Asrail
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.01 16:04:00 -
[104]
Manditory blues, no POS's, 2nd priority to GS, can be set neutral (and so unable to dock and NBSI) at any time.
Sorry guys but you've been calling corps "pet" and "slave" for alot less than that. Seems a pretty standard set of terms for alot of alliances.
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wrathofflips
Species 5618
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Posted - 2007.03.01 16:17:00 -
[105]
More target for RA? I was in that station the other day and was shot by RA after a few jumps. I guess it's cool that you're offering a free pass to dock and roam freely in your system but beyond that territory your other friends are feasting.
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Ione Hiigara
Altera Odyssea
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.01 16:34:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Honeymoon
There isn't somewhere mentioned the cost for this offer.
Actually TCF charges an one time bill of 50M Isk if i got informed right ?
In fact, TCF station office rental costs are about 50M/month (+ taxes on prod/research slots). You're not obliged to rent an office. If you want to get one, you have to contact one of the TCF people listed in the OP to get a free slot.
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carric
Caldari
Barely Legal Inc
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Posted - 2007.03.01 16:50:00 -
[107]
Edited by: carric on 01/03/2007 16:47:39
This will attract pirates and enemy alliances which could be seen as a way to make the NPC/miners more Ragoon-friendy. "hmm, goon good, let me mine. LV bad, they shoot om me ship". Brilliant plan...
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The Mittani
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.03.01 17:03:00 -
[108]
FAQ updated, now with more derp derp!
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Zell
Caldari
The Black Raptors
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Posted - 2007.03.01 17:13:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Zell on 01/03/2007 17:10:59
SO ...
I jump my carrier in, ninja set a deathstar pos, sit back and collect kill mails. Goons do what?
"Hello, RA, you'll never guess what happened, but theres a deathstar now in system, um can you bring your dreads over to gank tower?"
"Um no, we said you could have system if you provide security, we're busy lil goons, we have complexs to sploit, time cards to sell, deal with it your self...."
Uh-oh... 
Ginger Magician is just a nublet. I've met more people ingame that have laughed about him, than anyone else in Eve.
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.01 17:13:00 -
[110]
Originally by: The Mittani
FAQ updated, now with more derp derp!
Thanks, that clears things up a bit.
But this is essentially the BoB model. With the one exception that you're explicitly allowed to sit on your bum and hide whenever enemies show up, something that would be frowned upon in BoB space (dunno how it's gonna work in practice though, I assume people will be helping out with regional defense). Oh and not being allowed to anchor POSs.
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Armois Delgato
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.01 17:23:00 -
[111]
Hahahhaa.
The seventh rule of the 'free trade zone'
7) For every 50 members of your corp or part thereof (alts included), you must deliver...
75,000 Hydrogen Isotopes (11,250m3)
25,000 Liquid Ozone (10,000m3)
25,000 Heavy Water (10,000m3)
3,500 Oxygen (3,500m3)
1,200 Coolant (2,400m3)
1,000 Mechanical Parts (1,000m3)
1,000 Enriched Uranium (1,000m3)
200 Robotics (400m3)
... per week to a station of our choice, and contract them to that station's manager in GoonFleet.
I love the idea of naming an ice-slave tenancy 'free trade zone'.
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Xalorn
Butcherbirds
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Posted - 2007.03.01 17:30:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Armois Delgato
75,000 Hydrogen Isotopes (11,250m3)
25,000 Liquid Ozone (10,000m3)
25,000 Heavy Water (10,000m3)
3,500 Oxygen (3,500m3)
1,200 Coolant (2,400m3)
1,000 Mechanical Parts (1,000m3)
1,000 Enriched Uranium (1,000m3)
200 Robotics (400m3)
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Armois Delgato
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.01 17:32:00 -
[113]
Why don't they just offer payment in ISK, then? Why structure their tenacy deal (under the guise of free trade) around hauling missions that many corps will lose several trips worth of due to unsafe conditions?
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Red Gabba
RennTech
The Guardian Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.01 17:38:00 -
[114]
Originally by: The Mittani
FTZ FAQ:
Q: If my corp utilizes the FTZ, are there obligations to help goons defend the territory, join warfleets, etc? Can I just sit on my bum and mine all day blissfully?
A: No obligation to defend, you can sit and mine all day. We have freakishly low refining taxes too! We make money off of you making money.
More likely they will sit docked all day while a hostile is in local. "There problem" you might say but how do you expect people to stay in system if you will not police it?
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ROMOflaven
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Posted - 2007.03.01 17:47:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Armois Delgato
Why don't they just offer payment in ISK, then? Why structure their tenacy deal (under the guise of free trade) around hauling missions that many corps will lose several trips worth of due to unsafe conditions?
Just so everyone understands the context here, Armois left goons after BoB "purged" them from 0.0 in syndicate. He then joined LV, only to have goons eject him and his entire alliance from systems that goons are now giving away to empire pubbies.
If you can't hear the bitterness now, at least hear the irony when he then questions the methods goons use to fuel their towers. If armois hadn't been so busy shooting mining lasers at rocks maybe he wouldn't have to read threads where people divide the spoils of a war that he was on the wrong side of.
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Amerame
Section XIII
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Posted - 2007.03.01 17:47:00 -
[116]
A couple of points :
The Free Trade Zone itself is fully open to a certain number of entities which TCF and GS have been friendly to for a long time, like RA, IAC, CA, KOS, UNL for instance, player of those alliances are welcome and free of any kind of charges, beside using station services while using our (GS and TCF) space. Of course if another large entity want access to the whole FTZ we're open to negociations. Basicaly as of right now it means that over 10 000 players can freely access to TCF and GS space.
Then we're opening progressively this economical zone to other corporation, this is another thing, and corporations need to contact separatly GS or TCF to get access to our space. GS has its set of rules and requirement and we (TCF) have ours, which are fairly simple at the moment : you need to rent an office in TCF space and before that make a 50m payment for standings once your application has been accepted, this is probably going to change at some point.
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Zyrtan Keb'Lektar
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.01 17:56:00 -
[117]
i really like that idea.
good luck with that.
sounds a little bit like iss mk2
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Kovid
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.03.01 18:05:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Kovid on 01/03/2007 18:05:34
Well there is a small fee. It's called rent. So it's not free it all.
Now it is not fuedal but it is still rentals like every other alliance model. There is nothing new here just a better attempt at propaganda to sway people to fill the space. And while a fuedal/vasal term requires tenants to provide soldiers for times of war, and taxes always. You provide seeminly reasonable taxes in bases which is fine. You provide direct materials for supplying their outposts so they don't have to for the war effort.
Further I would add that while in FTZ space you may not yet have to shoot at their enemies but you do adopt their standings. Tecnically this is not NBSI since you are told to shoot it if it's neutral, it's NRDS. But most people don't even know what NRDS is and they would get scared in 0.0 of a neutral and shoot it if the opportunity was their for them. Plus they would have the enemies of the Goons picking on them. A long term stay in their FTZ could cause people to slowly gain enemies of Goonswarm by nature of them shooting at them for their own reason or just getting picked on and wanting revenge or just keeping them highlighted in red. It's a cunning way to get more people on the side of Goonswarm, and not just economically but standings-wise. Then it becomes shared enemies and suddenly a larger coalition.
End result: More polarization in Eve.
Quote:
Q: Are GS/TCF NBSI?
A: Yes. Come here and you'll be shot if you're not at + standings. We're awful mean griefing pirates.
Neutrals does not equal pirates. Griefing neutrals is not good for free trade zones.
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Q: This is only for friends. Call it something else, it's not free!
A: "Friends Free Trade Zone", "+5 Standings Trade Area", "Neon Green Goldfish", call it what you like. We don't care.
You can make a free trade zone, but what you have is not that. A real FTZ could roll in cash at unbelievable rates. And best yet you would gain a lot of people on your side truly for an epic struggle against the BoB machine. And what would a BoB vassal think if they saw the real opportunity for free trade and large amounts of people going there. They would say hell with this rent and enclosed market.
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Johnny ReeRee
The ReeRee Brigade
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Posted - 2007.03.01 18:08:00 -
[119]
Soo.....not so different at all. Just a Goonie pet program.
<yawn>
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Amerame
Section XIII
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Posted - 2007.03.01 18:21:00 -
[120]
I'm not everyone has a clear idea of what a free trade zone is, think of it as the EU if you want. It sure doesn't mean someone outside the EU can come start working and doing business in the EU for free as it pleases them and even if you're allowed to do business in the EU you still have to pay taxes.
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