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Amerame Section XIII	Posted - 2007.02.28 22:06:00 - [1] Edited by: Amerame on 28/02/2007 22:16:06 As of today, 1st of March, Goonswarm stations in Scalding Pass as well as Tau Ceti Federation Stations in Wicked Creek as well as economical resources in asteroid belts are open to our allies. Anyone with a standing 5 or greater in Goonswarm or Tau Ceti Federation may trade, produce, rat and mine in those regions. Hopefully this is just a first step toward a much larger free trade zone and the end of feudalism in Eve, and it is our wish to further develop ties and mutually beneficial trading agreement with other entities in Eve. For any question regarding the free trade zone, feel free to contact : Remedial, Vile Rat, Blitter in Goonswarm or Frederik, Amerame, Latton CALLAN, Raul Necrobie in TCF Each region of the free trade zone will come with a (simple) set of rules, the current rules for WC and SP are the following : Scalding Pass 1) You cannot deploy PoS. 2) Right of Refusal : If a GoonSwarm member asks you to leave a system, you are to comply. Wicked Creek 1) You cannot deploy PoS without TCF's formal authorization. 2) SO-X5L is a TCF-only system. More regions will be made available to the free trade zone members shortly.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.28 22:06:00 - [2] Edited by: The Mittani on 28/02/2007 22:13:32 What he said. Detorid, Tenerifis, Omist and 7-K will be similarly open in a few weeks; we will announce that at the second round of FTZ talks.
DHB FooFighter FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.28 22:07:00 - [3] IAC stations in Catch remain open to the public as IAC runs NRDS, Not Red Don't SHoot Please feel Free to stop by. -------------------------------------------------
Attak Trioptimum FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 22:13:00 - [4] Very cool, I like the idea a lot. Are there any engagement rules? If people who are friendly to you, but hostile to each other start the pew pew, it's no big deal?
The Beatnuts Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.28 22:15:00 - [5] Bravo Amerame. <za preved pizda> Signature removed - please email us to find out why - Jacques([email protected])
Zhaine Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.28 22:15:00 - [6] rofl - - - - - - - - - - Give this a read.
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 22:20:00 - [7] Woot - http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0612/Jameswsig.jpg WeComeInPeace Video Please keep your signature below the 24000 bytes limit.- Thx Pirlouit
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.02.28 22:20:00 - [8] The termina "free" and "+5" are somewhat contradictory, don¦t you think? I mean that¦s the same friends of us could do in the time they were there. regards x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Life's a waste of time ...
Waerp Oout GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.28 22:29:00 - [9] Edited by: Waerp Oout on 28/02/2007 22:25:55 ****
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 22:31:00 - [10] Originally by: c0rn1 The termina "free" and "+5" are somewhat contradictory, don¦t you think? I mean that¦s the same friends of us could do in the time they were there. regards "Free Trade Zone" for +5s. Put it in context and it makes perfect sense. - http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0612/Jameswsig.jpg WeComeInPeace Video Please keep your signature below the 24000 bytes limit.- Thx Pirlouit
Slayton Ford Caldari Kudzu Collective	Posted - 2007.02.28 22:36:00 - [11] How will pirates be dealt with inside the FTZ?
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.28 22:40:00 - [12] Originally by: Zhaine rofl /signed Ok, don't know, if you rofled for the same reason, but to me it seems like Goons and friends trying to get the undecided kids on their side by give them some sweets. ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Akane Miyamoto Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.28 22:42:00 - [13] Originally by: Zhaine rofl /signed. Guess I gotta pay my old home a visit soon ---------------------------------------------------------------------
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.28 22:42:00 - [14] Originally by: Slayton Ford How will pirates be dealt with inside the FTZ? We'll defend our space. Does that mean we'll come to the rescue of anyone and everyone? No. It's 0.0, defend yourself; we're just openning belts, ratting, production and trade rights to all our friends. As usual there will be ravening hordes of goons bumping into things all throughout Swarm space.
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.02.28 22:46:00 - [15] Edited by: c0rn1 on 28/02/2007 22:46:09 Originally by: Kyguard Originally by: c0rn1 The termina "free" and "+5" are somewhat contradictory, don¦t you think? I mean that¦s the same friends of us could do in the time they were there. regards "Free Trade Zone" for +5s. Put it in context and it makes perfect sense. Was it in context in the headline? No, So Limited Trade Zone would've been the most accurate and only headline. Originally by: Plutoinum /signed Ok, don't know, if you rofled for the same reason, but to me it seems like Goons and friends are trying to get the undecided kids on their side by offering them some sweets. na, actually they offer active buttkissing for them to get the +5 standing ;p x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Life's a waste of time ...
Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.28 22:49:00 - [16] Edited by: Swift Wind on 28/02/2007 22:46:39 Originally by: Amerame Edited by: Amerame on 28/02/2007 22:17:46 As of today, 1st of March, Goonswarm stations in Scalding Pass as well as Tau Ceti Federation Stations in Wicked Creek as well as economical resources in asteroid belts are open to our allies. Anyone with a standing 5 or greater in Goonswarm or Tau Ceti Federation may trade, produce, rat and mine in those regions. Hopefully this is just a first step toward a much larger free trade zone and the end of feudalism in Eve, and it is our wish to further develop ties and mutually beneficial trading agreement with other entities in Eve. For any question regarding the free trade zone, feel free to contact : Remedial, Vile Rat, Blitter in Goonswarm or Frederik, Amerame, Latton CALLAN, Raul Necrobie in TCF Each region of the free trade zone will come with a (simple) set of rules, the current rules for WC and SP are the following : Scalding Pass 1) You cannot deploy PoS. 2) Right of Refusal : If a GoonSwarm member asks you to leave a system, you are to comply. 3) All friendlies must abide by the standings page that GoonSwarm will publish soon and not shoot other friendlies, on pain of expulsion Wicked Creek 1) You cannot deploy PoS without TCF's formal authorization. 2) SO-X5L is a TCF-only system. More regions will be made available to the free trade zone members shortly. As good as that sounds, us neuts (too small of a corp to get standings, both 6HI and our sister corp asked) are still gonna be shot down? Dosen't seem like a FTZ to me, sorry guys. Unless, of course, you mean Friends Trade Zone. No diffrent than anywhere else. Still a NBSI enviorment, right? IRT IAC, wonderful crew, it is nice to finally go somewhere where EVERYONE is not shooting at me. A true FTZ... Thanks Guys... Anywhere, Anytime.
maarud Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.28 22:51:00 - [17] Translated: Hi, we're opening out gates to a lot of corps and alliances in eve to come and rat, mine and generally carebear in our space. So all pirate and general pvp corps are welcome to come pwn them and give us one more thing to worry about. Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.02.28 22:57:00 - [18] Mmm, a land of carebears policed by Goons? drools I mean um, I applaud this noble endeavor. Carry on then!
LikYum Amarr Health and Beauty Spa	Posted - 2007.02.28 23:01:00 - [19] Edited by: LikYum on 28/02/2007 22:59:44 2) Right of Refusal : If a GoonSwarm member asks you to leave a system, you are to comply. Can you claify this please, I saw an earlier document that specifically stated "If a GoonSwarm fleet member asks you to leave a system, you are to comply." Which did make some kind of sense i guess, but any old muppet seeing a good spawn/rock and wanting it every time will get old real fast imho.
Tetsujin Caldari Band of Brosefs	Posted - 2007.02.28 23:04:00 - [20] Dear people-who-are-going-on-and-on-about-free-not-being-free, you have to understand that policing of the space will be conducted primarily by the sovereign alliance. It is a guarantee that if we were running on an NRDS policy any neutral players would be free to come and go with relative immunity thus opening the possibility for providing anti-intel to hostile forces within the territories. To provide the most secure form of travel and existence within the area, along with docking rights to our outposts we must resort to standings adjustments. As we do not have a Concord-like force policing our space standings is a neccessity to protect our members, allies and ultimately anyone who desires to positively enter the regions. If you wish safe passage or to participate in the market you will simply need to contact one of our representitives.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.28 23:04:00 - [21] Originally by: Swift Wind As good as that sounds, us neuts (too small of a corp to get standings, both 6HI and our sister corp asked) are still gonna be shot down? Dosen't seem like a FTZ to me, sorry guys. Unless, of course, you mean Friends Trade Zone. No diffrent than anywhere else. Still a NBSI enviorment, right? IRT IAC, wonderful crew, it is nice to finally go somewhere where EVERYONE is not shooting at me. A true FTZ... Thanks Guys... I suppose you're right, the better name would be a 'Friends Free Trade Zone'. So? We operate on a NBSI policy. If you're +5 or greater, it's a Free Trade Zone with no restrictions on belt rights or ratting privileges regardless of your corporation, subject to the provisos above. If you're neutral, you're either going to get killed or you'll be trying to kill us.
Tetsujin Caldari Band of Brosefs	Posted - 2007.02.28 23:07:00 - [22] Originally by: LikYum 2) Right of Refusal : If a GoonSwarm member asks you to leave a system, you are to comply. Can you claify this please, I saw an earlier document that specifically stated "If a GoonSwarm fleet member asks you to leave a system, you are to comply." Which did make some kind of sense i guess, but any old muppet seeing a good spawn/rock and wanting it every time will get old real fast imho. It was a correction of a typo. Originally the statement said "If a Goonfleet member...". Goonfleet is a corporation, Goonswarm is an alliance. The intention is to state that any member of Goonswarm has the right to ask you to leave the system/asteroid belt/whathaveyou on the grounds that they are responsible for the defense of their territories thus have the right to profit from the contents of those territories above anyone else.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.28 23:08:00 - [23] Originally by: LikYum Edited by: LikYum on 28/02/2007 22:59:44 2) Right of Refusal : If a GoonSwarm member asks you to leave a system, you are to comply. Can you claify this please, I saw an earlier document that specifically stated "If a GoonSwarm fleet member asks you to leave a system, you are to comply." Which did make some kind of sense i guess, but any old muppet seeing a good spawn/rock and wanting it every time will get old real fast imho. We changed it. The right of refusal applies to all Swarm members, not just Goonfleet. Of course, there's a huge pile of systems in SP that aren't being ratted or mined in, and in general goons won't tell you to get out just to be mean. At first things might seem cramped, but in a week or two we'll be opening up almost half of the South (TCF + GS territory) to the FTZ.
Whiskey Juvenile GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.28 23:15:00 - [24] Edited by: Whiskey Juvenile on 28/02/2007 23:16:12 Contact the individuals listed in the OP if you do not have access to the FTZ and want your corp/alliance to have access, by the way. I guess that message got lost somewhere in transmission. edit: Also, no docking fees and low taxes. The FTZ is a new paradigm in Eve to replace the feudal tenancies that have existed in the past. All hail the glorious coming of space libertopia.
IlIlIlIlIlIlIl Hos B4 Bros	Posted - 2007.02.28 23:22:00 - [25] Corelum when did your opinion become relevant?
Blitter Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.28 23:23:00 - [26] As stated Goonswarm will be opening 7-K, SP, Detorid, Tenerifis, and Omist to the FTZ as soon as possible. Our guests will have unrestricted access across 5 regions. We will grant +5 to any corp or alliance that agrees to some simple guidelines. Contact us for details. We're done with the feudal system in general. We want to get more people out into 0.0, where the real game happens. Office slots will be available for rent. Factories are wide open. Refineries are set to 5% tax. Think of it like the ISS project, but with a 3,000 man goon army backing it up instead of ISSN.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.28 23:25:00 - [27] Edited by: The Mittani on 28/02/2007 23:22:34 Originally by: Swift Wind Edited by: Swift Wind on 28/02/2007 23:11:23 Originally by: The Mittani If you're neutral, you're either going to get killed or you'll be trying to kill us. Thats a bit harsh, isn't it? You should have a bit more compassion for your ''neut'' allies..... Again, we are ONLY neut to you due to our size, no one seems to think it is worth setting standings to a small corp, even when we work with you guys. It really sucks to get shot down by allied forces all the time. /end rant As for NRDS being ''impossible to secure'' your allies (IAC) seem to have no problem with it. :) The Swarm has and always will operate on a NBSI policy. I'm sorry.
Aaron Static Igneus Auctorita	Posted - 2007.02.28 23:30:00 - [28] This is all great.. and corps such as ours will benefit greatly. Love your work, goons.. I'd just like to ask about the rules concerned with Goonswarm friends attacking other Goonswarm friends within the FTZ. There are certain alliances who prefer to keep the entire universe neutral, regardless of common enemies. - Igneus Auctorita Video -
Tetsujin Caldari Band of Brosefs	Posted - 2007.02.28 23:31:00 - [29] Originally by: Swift Wind See IAC :) and WE have contacted your reps, too small to be bothered with... Speaking from my personal viewpoint it may behove you to be patient if you so desire to participate as the Goonswarm war machine has not operated nor needed an open market in the past.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.28 23:34:00 - [30] Originally by: Aaron Static This is all great.. and corps such as ours will benefit greatly. Love your work, goons.. I'd just like to ask about the rules concerned with Goonswarm friends attacking other Goonswarm friends within the FTZ. There are certain alliances who prefer to keep the entire universe neutral, regardless of common enemies. If you wish to use the FTZ, you must operate within our standings list while within the FTZ. If you want to maintain the 'shoot everyone' policy, you will not be able utilize our space while shooting everyone. We understand that many of our allies like to shoot everything that moves and likely won't be joining us in the FTZ, but they're welcome to join in the carebearing if they so desire and don't shoot anyone on our standings list while enjoying our space.
Milena Marich	Posted - 2007.02.28 23:57:00 - [31] Originally by: DHB FooFighter IAC stations in Catch remain open to the public as IAC runs NRDS, Not Red Don't SHoot Please feel Free to stop by. Interesting. Do you guys have a public channel?
Raid Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:04:00 - [32] More meat for the grinder? Anyone who uses those stations will only make enemies and lose many many ships.
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:04:00 - [33] ISS didn't surrender, they just infiltrated goonswarm...
Zoltaris COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:14:00 - [34] Edited by: Zoltaris on 01/03/2007 00:11:42 Just an idea like that, but, due to the limit of 200 corp standing, it wouldn't be possible to set standing to everyone who want to be friendly while at the same time keeping lots of corps at negative standings So, it might be a good thing that many small corporation join under the same banner, maybe something like "NAC" (Non-Aligned Corps) and might not be a real alliance as such, but just a bunch of small corps that wants to get some standings where it wouln't be possible otherwise Btw, this idea is from me, don't flame my alliance or the south coalition about it ----- > Amongst the Top 10
Blitter Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:16:00 - [35] Edited by: Blitter on 01/03/2007 00:13:10 Doesnt really help, as you have to set Corp/Corp standings for docking rights. The real answer is CCP needs to remove the artificial cap on corp/corp standings. Hopefully we'll free up enough slots to accomodate everyone who wants to join us.
Slayton Ford Caldari Kudzu Collective	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:17:00 - [36] Originally by: Zoltaris Just an idea like that, but, due to the limit of 200 corp standing, it wouldn't be possible to set standing to everyone who want to be friendly while at the same time keeping lots of corps at negative standings So, it might be a good thing that many small corporation join under the same banner, maybe something like "NAC" (Non-Aligned Corps) and wouldn't really be a real alliance as such, but just a bunch of small corps that wants to get some standings where it wouln't be possible otherwise Btw, this idea is from me, don't flame my alliance of the south coalition about it Actually, how about naming it the League of Non-Aligned Worlds...(dang I miss Babylon 5). But on the flip-side, this will make it much easier for Privateers to declare war them.
Armois Delgato FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:24:00 - [37] I thank you for giving me a new purpose in EVE. I wish to see your Infinite NAP Zone Eliminated in the chaos it rightfully deserves to collapse in. Your "new" order is a pathetic excuse to maintain NAPs with half of the map. See you in space, chummers.
IlIlIlIlIlIlIl Hos B4 Bros	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:35:00 - [38] Originally by: Armois Delgato I thank you for giving me a new purpose in EVE. I wish to see your Infinite NAP Zone Eliminated in the chaos it rightfully deserves to collapse in. Your "new" order is a pathetic excuse to maintain NAPs with half of the map. See you in space, chummers. You forgot about 10 and MOAR TARGETS to signify the amount of "pwn" your target painters will deliver
Marko Zhang Destructive Flatulence	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:39:00 - [39] Good stuff, much respect GS/TCF/etc. One question, will Delve be under the same rules eventually? --- Why is DigitalCommunist so interested in other players' IP addresses?
Jonathan Peterbilt Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:41:00 - [40] There is an expression we use in Tyrell: "Goon farming"
Grimpak Gallente Twisted Attitude Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:42:00 - [41] FYI, when I read the op, I thought someone necro'ed a CFS tread ...hope it works tho ------- Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
Khayman33 Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:42:00 - [42] Wonderfull stuff , congrazt guys o7 :)
Zell Caldari The Black Raptors	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:48:00 - [43] ROFL This worked soooo well for big blue, a multi-billion isk conglomerate of experienced industrial market gurus. Im sure goons, a muulti-billion debted nooblets will have no problems "running" such an enterprise /re: stick to game card sales.... and let the miner/ratter ganking begin! Ginger Magician is just a nublet. I've met more people ingame that have laughed about him, than anyone else in Eve. A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once..
Jane Spondogolo NoobWaffe	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:52:00 - [44] I was speaking to some Goon friends about this, and its important to understand the context to understand the concept. Remedial , and many of the swarm directors identify as economic 'libertarians'. The swarms always operated mostly on the concept of low tax, and low market interference, with assistance for new players and the ever important cap ship pilots. When the swarm needs money, it just asks for its members assistance, and the bees pull out the wallets. At times of war, other corps do silly stuff like put on 100% tax, whilst the swarm drops its tax rate. After a bit of time in the meat grinder, the other corps end up with broke pilots, and the goon pilots can still afford battleships because they are not being gouged by the corp. So the swarm would like to show the universe this is a good idea. Now, one could presupose a comparison to ISS here, because well thats what ISS claimed to do, but lets look at the difference. First off the goons dont pretend to be neutral. If your hostile, or if your a threat, you get podded. Folks may not like that, but its a security measure, and frankly its smart politics. Secondly, although the goons are pretty adept at carebearing, and via sheer numbers can turn even the deadest area into a fantastic market, they are primarily pvp-ers , so it makes sense to 'outsource' the market in a way thats mutually benificial to everyone on the 'light side of the force'. I'd suppose the pro-bob forces wont like this. Im not surprised, an economically healthy opponent wont be in the interests of the old order hegemony. For the rest of the universe, I think the myth of 'goons want to destroy the community' should now be considered roundly disproven. And yes Im biased, this provides alot of oportunitys for baby corps like Noobwaffe to find an active place in 0.0. gg goons.
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 01:02:00 - [45] This will work out since 90% of TCF and GS's allies are already in the area fighting LV; if you're thinking SP and WC are gonna turn into the new Omist then you're in for a surprise. - http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0612/Jameswsig.jpg WeComeInPeace Video Please keep your signature below the 24000 bytes limit.- Thx Pirlouit
Smokemon Amarr No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.03.01 01:47:00 - [46] Suggestion for the small corps that want to operate in GS/TCF FTZ space... Perhaps you could convince them to create a "Friends Alliance" that all the small corps could join and just have the alliance set to +5 as a whole. A GS or TCF alt could CEO the alliance to make sure that only the corps they approve of are in the alliance and have complete control over membership. ---------------------------------------- -Proud member of No Quarter
Relaed	Posted - 2007.03.01 01:49:00 - [47] Yes, free fire....I mean trade zone for all you care bears. 8-) We will help you carry all that loot...back to my place. 8-)
prathe Minmatar Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.01 01:50:00 - [48] does this mean i can finnally retrieve the wolf i left in cj-6 like 1yr and a half ago?
Aaron Static Igneus Auctorita	Posted - 2007.03.01 01:52:00 - [49] Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Aaron Static This is all great.. and corps such as ours will benefit greatly. Love your work, goons.. I'd just like to ask about the rules concerned with Goonswarm friends attacking other Goonswarm friends within the FTZ. There are certain alliances who prefer to keep the entire universe neutral, regardless of common enemies. If you wish to use the FTZ, you must operate within our standings list while within the FTZ. If you want to maintain the 'shoot everyone' policy, you will not be able utilize our space while shooting everyone. We understand that many of our allies like to shoot everything that moves and likely won't be joining us in the FTZ, but they're welcome to join in the carebearing if they so desire and don't shoot anyone on our standings list while enjoying our space. most excellent. two more questions... Current tenants are restricted from ratting in outpost systems, will this rule remain? And what does goonswarm plan to do about the ever-increasing price of burkeys in Scalding Pass? Is it possible to reduce Rem's intake of them so supply can catch up to demand? tia - Igneus Auctorita Video -
Zakalwe Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.01 01:59:00 - [50] Edited by: Zakalwe on 01/03/2007 01:58:57 Originally by: Amerame Edited by: Amerame on 28/02/2007 22:17:46 As of today, 1st of March, Goonswarm stations in Scalding Pass as well as Tau Ceti Federation Stations in Wicked Creek [... bla bla bla...] And RED ALLIANCE do not join you in this WONDERFUL project ? Hmmm... not in the name of my Corp/Alliance
BobGhengisKhan Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.03.01 02:01:00 - [51] CFS v.2.0 anyone?
FatKao GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.01 02:47:00 - [52] Originally by: Smokemon Suggestion for the small corps that want to operate in GS/TCF FTZ space... Perhaps you could convince them to create a "Friends Alliance" that all the small corps could join and just have the alliance set to +5 as a whole. A GS or TCF alt could CEO the alliance to make sure that only the corps they approve of are in the alliance and have complete control over membership. Unfortunatly you need to set corp->corp standings from the corp who actually owns the station to give docking rights. A FTZ alliance would make setting blues easier but it would not give them docking rights at the FTZ stations.
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.03.01 03:41:00 - [53] Originally by: maarud Translated: Hi, we're opening out gates to a lot of corps and alliances in eve to come and rat, mine and generally carebear in our space. So all pirate and general pvp corps are welcome to come pwn them and give us one more thing to worry about. OK And this is bad why? Most 0.0 entities welcome things to shoot in their space. Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer Proud member of the Customer Service Coalition.
Karrimdra FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 03:58:00 - [54] Originally by: Tetsujin Originally by: LikYum 2) Right of Refusal : If a GoonSwarm member asks you to leave a system, you are to comply. Can you claify this please, I saw an earlier document that specifically stated "If a GoonSwarm fleet member asks you to leave a system, you are to comply." Which did make some kind of sense i guess, but any old muppet seeing a good spawn/rock and wanting it every time will get old real fast imho. It was a correction of a typo. Originally the statement said "If a Goonfleet member...". Goonfleet is a corporation, Goonswarm is an alliance. The intention is to state that any member of Goonswarm has the right to ask you to leave the system/asteroid belt/whathaveyou on the grounds that they are responsible for the defense of their territories thus have the right to profit from the contents of those territories above anyone else. So what you really want, is for people to come in, start chaining the belts for you, then come in when its done even while they pay ref taxes (to keep your pos'es running), pay for production fee's (to keep your pses running) and use the market which, if you've done it right will be good and make your isk, to keep your posses running. Anyone else see a pattern here? GS in need of isk to keep their "rapetrain" going, hence pawning off their problem as a "lets be nice to everyone who could already use, and knew about our stations already, but lets recruit yet more nubs in to help keep our fragile bandwagon rolling". Or is that too cynical a view? Kudos to IAC who actually seem to have the right mindset for an FTZ (i almost typed FTW :\|). From nothing to something in just one corp! http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0702/KarrimdraSig.jpg
Nathan Grey Gallente Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.03.01 04:08:00 - [55] Look at the Horde, they're progressive! Not at all like the "fuedalistic" alliances they're attacking! Yeah, sure. Interesting political move, might get more income through any extra traffic. Like ISS, might last 9-12 months.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.03.01 04:15:00 - [56] that's really a nice idea!!! /me applauds ------ Relaxed corp recruiting
FatKao GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.01 05:58:00 - [57] If any corps would like the full agreement or more information on the program feel free to convo/evemail me or you can join GSFTZ and if a director is around we'll answer questions.
Laura Baretta Minmatar Caelestis Caedes	Posted - 2007.03.01 06:06:00 - [58] How is this any better than BoB ruling and having pet alliances? Is Goonswarm allready gathering pet corps? Will those regions become bluebie carebear land with Goonswarm as police force? Oh my what a bright future... rofl. Silly coalition.
Samzatha	Posted - 2007.03.01 06:07:00 - [59] Good Idea. Will work really well except for people buying everything of 1 type and then reselling it at a higher price... B*@$^%ds Then another allaince will get jealous that you built the first titan and come and make a ghost town of your stations. ASCN had the best 0 space market. I hope you can do better.
Osidax Caldari Paradise Inc	Posted - 2007.03.01 06:08:00 - [60] Good Idea. Will work really well except for people buying everything of 1 type and then reselling it at a higher price... B*@$^%ds Then another allaince will get jealous that you built the first titan and come and make a ghost town of your stations. ASCN had the best 0 space market. I hope you can do better. Ah posting with you alt FTW!
putukas Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.01 06:18:00 - [61] haha, very nice... we have a new place to kill carebears, weeeee \o/ More t2 spawns, More mining ops. Join the party boys :) cool to see section XIII in action again, havent seen you guys for long time. Had good fun fighting you on V vs RA war.
Faith Black Minmatar Rolls Roids	Posted - 2007.03.01 06:31:00 - [62] Originally by: Blitter As stated Goonswarm will be opening 7-K, SP, Detorid, Tenerifis, and Omist to the FTZ as soon as possible. Our guests will have unrestricted access across 5 regions. Looks like I need to defend my ratting system in 7-k in the future. ------ No.1 reason to post with an alt: Avoiding that your main looks too silly.
Tab'Fren TBC Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 06:46:00 - [63] Originally by: Nathan Grey Like ISS, might last 9-12 months. I don't have any information about the long-term plans for the FTZ and I can't speak for my corp/alliance... but as long as it allows me to earn some isk to buy the ammo/ships to fuel the war and kick BoD in the junk, then it's All Good(tm). :P
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.01 07:10:00 - [64] Originally by: Zoltaris So, it might be a good thing that many small corporation join under the same banner, maybe something like "NAC" (Non-Aligned Corps) and might not be a real alliance as such, but just a bunch of small corps that wants to get some standings where it wouln't be possible otherwise. How about the Alliance of Freeloaders? This isn't CFS v2.0 but will cause the same havoc as it did to CFS. But yeah, I like it. Nice plan!
Vile rat GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.01 07:13:00 - [65] Originally by: fuze Originally by: Zoltaris So, it might be a good thing that many small corporation join under the same banner, maybe something like "NAC" (Non-Aligned Corps) and might not be a real alliance as such, but just a bunch of small corps that wants to get some standings where it wouln't be possible otherwise. How about the Alliance of Freeloaders? This isn't CFS v2.0 but will cause the same havoc as it did to CFS. But yeah, I like it. Nice plan! Be a dear and offline the rest of the POS's for us. Thanks!
Academion GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.01 07:51:00 - [66] Originally by: Karrimdra So what you really want, is for people to come in, start chaining the belts for you, then come in when its done even while they pay ref taxes (to keep your pos'es running), pay for production fee's (to keep your pses running) and use the market which, if you've done it right will be good and make your isk, to keep your posses running. Anyone else see a pattern here? GS in need of isk to keep their "rapetrain" going, hence pawning off their problem as a "lets be nice to everyone who could already use, and knew about our stations already, but lets recruit yet more nubs in to help keep our fragile bandwagon rolling". Or is that too cynical a view? Kudos to IAC who actually seem to have the right mindset for an FTZ (i almost typed FTW :\|). We just want our resources to be exploited to their maximum potential. Our terms are hardly unreasonable. If we were truly greedy we could simply rent out our space for several billion isk per month to slave alliances.
Ponderous Thunderstroke Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.03.01 07:54:00 - [67] Nice idea. I don't know if my corp or alliance is in any position to want to take advantage of it, that's the business of the important people above my paygrade. But I think it's conceptually a great idea and I applaud the Goons for taking this chance. Depending on how well security is enforced and offenders are ejected, this should provide a strong economy boost for everyone involved. Stability and lucrative opportunities = good for business.
Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.01 08:10:00 - [68] Originally by: Academion We just want our resources to be exploited to their maximum potential. Our terms are hardly unreasonable. If we were truly greedy we could simply rent out our space for several billion isk per month to slave alliances. But dont you see the flaw in that? The small corps that would dedicate a bunch of time and energy to support your aliance thru the FTZ will be prevented from doing so. Do you think a small, yet strong indy corp is going to risk load after load to help your markets, if they risk losing EVERY load? I iunderstand your intentions, but your only going 1/2 way. What ever the reasons (corp cap) your alienating a vast majority that would help you. I do what little i can for IAC just because of their hospilitaty, and i have paid dearly due to their ''allies'', that dosent stop us, we just run like hell till we get to IAC space. Being able to dock in 0.0 and sell goods is a great bonus to my sister indy corps, and i would think for your pilots too. Due to the corp cap limits, i fear the only way you will be successful with this is to provide a NRDS policy for the area. You cannot expect indy corps, who cannot afford to lose shipments, to even take the risk, espically when there are other safe places to go. Just My humble Opinion, and I mean no offense. :) Anywhere, Anytime.
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.03.01 08:32:00 - [69] To be honest, what would have been cool would be to hold the space yourself. As opposed to filling it up with tenants, paying or not. BOB pioneered this one a year ago, got anything new? Dark-Rising
Thranduil Saralonde Takigama Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.01 08:34:00 - [70] Originally by: Mitch Taylor To be honest, what would have been cool would be to hold the space yourself. As opposed to filling it up with tenants, paying or not. BOB pioneered this one a year ago, got anything new? are you sad that you wont be able to trade over there please just get a grip
Inbred Gallente Lynx Frontier Inc. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 08:47:00 - [71] Edited by: Inbred on 01/03/2007 08:44:39 Originally by: Mitch Taylor BOB pioneered this one a year ago, got anything new? Actually freetrade/open space has been the way of things in the Northern regions since long before Bob even formed. iirc IRON, D2, RZR and RAWR still run open space today and their rules are very similar if not exactly the same as Goon/TCFs.
tigress Gallente Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.01 08:47:00 - [72] Nice Goons, welcome to the fun of "open" space. :). To all people not on the +5 list of the goons, come to catch and try IAC hospitality. We don't shoot you unless you do bad things M'kay.
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.01 09:08:00 - [73] I endorse this product or service and add my assurances to your lack of safety. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Ewa Quillam Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.01 09:11:00 - [74] Originally by: Karrimdra Originally by: Tetsujin Originally by: LikYum 2) Right of Refusal : If a GoonSwarm member asks you to leave a system, you are to comply. Can you claify this please, I saw an earlier document that specifically stated "If a GoonSwarm fleet member asks you to leave a system, you are to comply." Which did make some kind of sense i guess, but any old muppet seeing a good spawn/rock and wanting it every time will get old real fast imho. It was a correction of a typo. Originally the statement said "If a Goonfleet member...". Goonfleet is a corporation, Goonswarm is an alliance. The intention is to state that any member of Goonswarm has the right to ask you to leave the system/asteroid belt/whathaveyou on the grounds that they are responsible for the defense of their territories thus have the right to profit from the contents of those territories above anyone else. So what you really want, is for people to come in, start chaining the belts for you, then come in when its done even while they pay ref taxes (to keep your pos'es running), pay for production fee's (to keep your pses running) and use the market which, if you've done it right will be good and make your isk, to keep your posses running. Anyone else see a pattern here? GS in need of isk to keep their "rapetrain" going, hence pawning off their problem as a "lets be nice to everyone who could already use, and knew about our stations already, but lets recruit yet more nubs in to help keep our fragile bandwagon rolling". Or is that too cynical a view? Kudos to IAC who actually seem to have the right mindset for an FTZ (i almost typed FTW :\|). What's wrong with the concept "I scratch your back if you scratch mine (and you don't pay any rent to me)"? It looks good to me, but it could cause some "friendly fire" amongst the hosted corps, in its beginning.
Jags Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.01 09:19:00 - [75] Its an interesting concept and I wish you luck with it. TBH its been done before with LV having access for any friendly corp to trade on our markets and it worked well. So you should have no issues there at all. When it comes to ratting and mining you will have issues I can guarantee you that. The best belts will get depleted fast , especially if you have 2000+ players + friendlies gnawing on them all the time. THat IMO will cause some conflict between the parties. Anyway at the worst it gives us more targets when we come to annoy you (cheers BE for your tactics :P). Just remember that we will be back to take what was once ours...
Kam SingDu'k Singularity.	Posted - 2007.03.01 09:36:00 - [76] I bet all the bob slave corps are angry that their terms suck now hehe. How much rent was it again? smart move Goon and TCF Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Taiatia (mods@ccpgames)
Mirasta Caldari Aggressive Tendencies Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 09:48:00 - [77] Love what you've done with the space. IMHO its a great idea and exploits the resources in the regions to there fullest. I hope it goes well and the idea takes off... and i say all this as an Ex -V- so thats gotta mean something :P Of couse, You are now reading my sig.
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.01 10:45:00 - [78] Originally by: Vile rat Be a dear and offline the rest of the POS's for us. Thanks! No can't do. Better ask a GM to do that for you. Being a man I still can achieve multiple sarcasms.
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.01 11:17:00 - [79] Originally by: Amerame As of today, 1st of March, Goonswarm stations in Scalding Pass as well as Tau Ceti Federation Stations in Wicked Creek as well as economical resources in asteroid belts are open to our allies. Anyone with a standing 5 or greater in Goonswarm or Tau Ceti Federation may trade, produce, rat and mine in those regions. I'm a bit confused. Just to get this clear: does that mean you did shoot your allies and friends who entered these regions before? With friends like that I guess you don't need enemies. Not shooting friends and allies sort of goes with them being friends and allies. Currently you will not shoot friends and allies anymore, but they should leave when you ask them to. You've just decided to start being friendly to friends and allies, nothing more. 'Free Trade' has got little to do with it.
Double Stuff Failure Cascade	Posted - 2007.03.01 11:30:00 - [80] Edited by: Double Stuff on 01/03/2007 11:30:22 Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Amerame As of today, 1st of March, Goonswarm stations in Scalding Pass as well as Tau Ceti Federation Stations in Wicked Creek as well as economical resources in asteroid belts are open to our allies. Anyone with a standing 5 or greater in Goonswarm or Tau Ceti Federation may trade, produce, rat and mine in those regions. I'm a bit confused. Just to get this clear: does that mean you did shoot your allies and friends who entered these regions before? With friends like that I guess you don't need enemies. Not shooting friends and allies sort of goes with them being friends and allies. Currently you will not shoot friends and allies anymore, but they should leave when you ask them to. You've just decided to start being friendly to friends and allies, nothing more. 'Free Trade' has got little to do with it. You didnt read the thread did you? They never shot their allies. But prior to this Goonfleet mined/ratted/produced in Goonfleet owned space. TCF mined/ratted/produced in TCF space. There was no mixture beacuse thats it norm in eve. Space is divided by corp/alliance and usually if an outside entity is using the resources they are paying billions for it. (see BoB renting 6 systems to RISE as example) Goonfleet itself started out in Syndicate renting single belts for millions of isk. (despite being blue to the area, they had to pay for rights) Thats the social norm of eve. You pay the space owner for rights to use resources. No one except a few in the north share their systems freely for ratting/mining despite being blue. This is a formal announcement that if you are blue, you can mine/rat/trade in any station, in any system with few restrictions. Where before, blue could only rat/mine/use factory slots in their own sovern space. This sounds obvious if you're not used to 0.0 politics, but unfortunately its not how most of 0.0 is controlled. Hope this helps. edit:spelling
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.03.01 11:40:00 - [81] Edited by: Fubear on 01/03/2007 11:37:02 Originally by: Merdaneth I'm a bit confused. Just to get this clear: does that mean you did shoot your allies and friends who entered these regions before? With friends like that I guess you don't need enemies. Not shooting friends and allies sort of goes with them being friends and allies. Currently you will not shoot friends and allies anymore, but they should leave when you ask them to. You've just decided to start being friendly to friends and allies, nothing more. 'Free Trade' has got little to do with it. I think the idea is that allies and friends can rat and mine in the specified regions. If I were +5 with BoB for any reason would they let me mine and rat anywhere in Delve/Period Basis? Somehow I doubt it. Most alliances allow travel/docking in their regions to Allies but restrict the use of the resources in that region (rats/betls/complexes) to themselves. There are a lot of people in this thread being overly negative and pessimistic about this. I think the idea is a good one, and TCF/Goonswarm should be given kudos for giving it a shot. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, but at least they tried which is probably more than can be said for anyone who dismisses the idea out of hand. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I wish them good luck with their venture!
Redbad Minmatar Be Inspired Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.01 12:05:00 - [82] Now this is good thinking of the Goonies. To get a viable economy and a good supply of cheap items it is necessary to make your regions accesible towards other entities. It doesnt compromise the safety too much, but will reap benefits towards all parties and develop the area. Good initative! join us today!
Dr Slaughter ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.01 12:13:00 - [83] Just double checked it was March 1st not April 1st. Nice concept. Good luck with the implementation. Shame you're not doing it IAC style and a great pity you didn't state this as a goal back in 2006. pinch of salt required
Dematone Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.03.01 12:44:00 - [84] Please do not call anything a "Free Trade Zone", that is not a Free Trade Zone. Otherwise any alliance could call their space a Free Trade Zone, with the only prerequisite: you have to be in their alliance. Additionally, with the rule that any Goon Swarm member can tell everyone else to leave the system, you preserve yourself a right, that makes you some kind of dictator. Of course, if this right is only used under extreme circumstances and only on exceptions, this may be legitimate, however you should clarify this in the first place. Conclusion: "A not so Free Trade Zone" I will watch this, and see how it develops. In my opinion this can not really work, as I see a lot of issues arising - but time will tell. Good luck in trying this, anyways.
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.03.01 13:07:00 - [85] This is a big step forward compared to how most of space in EVE is managed. I hope this works out for you, and you will be able to progress further in this direction. Good luck.
Becca Manns Puppets on Steroids Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 13:09:00 - [86] Edited by: Becca Manns on 01/03/2007 13:07:53 This is a revolutionary step in pubbie bukkake. Well done goons, looking forward to your eve-o recruitment thread.
Le Cardinal ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.01 13:15:00 - [87] Originally by: Dematone Please do not call anything a "Free Trade Zone", that is not a Free Trade Zone. Otherwise any alliance could call their space a Free Trade Zone, with the only prerequisite: you have to be in their alliance. Additionally, with the rule that any Goon Swarm member can tell everyone else to leave the system, you preserve yourself a right, that makes you some kind of dictator. Of course, if this right is only used under extreme circumstances and only on exceptions, this may be legitimate, however you should clarify this in the first place. Conclusion: "A not so Free Trade Zone" I will watch this, and see how it develops. In my opinion this can not really work, as I see a lot of issues arising - but time will tell. Good luck in trying this, anyways. Its their space. They have fought for their right to dictate that space. Dont see any harm with this. They open space for a lot of the eve population that want to try out 0.0. They make some profit on it that will benefit keeping pos's running and creating a market there. Its a win win situation for goons, and its a win win situation for the corps that wanna try this. Such FTZ corps will face the dangers as any corp face in 0.0. You cant expect Goons to babysit and escort them out of 0.0 with their valuables. There is a lot of bitter feelings in this thread Stop nagging and buy ur greencard. Hope it works for u goons
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.03.01 13:16:00 - [88] And I just thought of a question. If some alliance requested and was granted +5 standing with the Goons, but is neutral to your allies. It would mean that your allies, being NBSI, would be able to open fire on the said alliance. Will self defense be allowed, or will +5 standings be copied among all participants of this program?
BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 13:50:00 - [89] Edited by: BlackDog Rackh''am on 01/03/2007 13:47:29 I can't see the reason for all this negativity tbh. Goons find an easy way to populate their space (easier than asking for rent): Win Goons clearly state they will not hold you by the hand. You have to learn the ropes of 0.0 yourself: Win As a result of the above two, they only have to deal with attacks presenting a danger to their sov, instead of policing a bunch of regions 24/7: Win It provides incentive for small corps to merge (so as to get standings) and head out to 0.0 : Win It provides targets for every ganksquad and bitter former resident around to go and have some fun with the above mentioned corps: Win It provides something for Goons to do in their space, chasing these ganksquads and having fights: Win It encourages people to get off their ass, go to 0.0 for free 5 minutes after they get finished with the +5 convo, make isk, get ganked, lose ships, learn PvP, be targets for others, hunt targets, populate markets and generally promotes some activity instead of the usual "reserved for the chosen few with past ties or deep pockets" model that creates immobile, stagnating and boring power blocks. It will create problems to the Goons along with the benefits of it all, but that's why it's a cool project. Things will be getting done all over the place. And if you don't like them, you can get your mates, go gank the hell out of their guests and get some fancy loot, so quit your btching already Originally by:* Eloryan Persago, Goonfleet I welcome you to the coalition of people with user access to EvE
Radeberger Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.03.01 13:58:00 - [90] This is basically the same thing as what ascn did, by far not revolutionary, but i guess i can look at it this way, more targets for me, so yay \o/ Is this a sig? i think not
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 13:59:00 - [91] Originally by: Tecam Hund This is a big step forward compared to how most of space in EVE is managed. I hope this works out for you, and you will be able to progress further in this direction. Good luck. OMFG OMFG OMFG,I agree with a SF guy in a freespace debate. Time to quit I think. :)
Trist Ian Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.01 14:07:00 - [92] Edited by: Trist Ian on 01/03/2007 14:04:17 Yarr, new hunting-grounds..
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.03.01 14:44:00 - [93] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Tecam Hund This is a big step forward compared to how most of space in EVE is managed. I hope this works out for you, and you will be able to progress further in this direction. Good luck. OMFG OMFG OMFG,I agree with a SF guy in a freespace debate. Time to quit I think. :) You probably would not have agreed with me if I explained the "progress further in this direction" part. It would include opening their space to everyone, not practice standing enclosurism (only set owners of stations you use to positive as opposed to forced napfest), remove the right of refusal, and so on.
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.01 14:46:00 - [94] The concept isn't all that bad, but what you haven't covered here is what you expect from a corp/alliance in order to make it +5. If it's a relatively simple procedure that place no great demands on the visitor, then a 'free trade zone' stamp is warranted I guess. But if it only applies to allies in the war, then the concept isn't very different from what we've seen implemented by the previous owners of the area months or years ago. -----
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.01 14:49:00 - [95] There's a lot of derp derp in this thread. Every question asked so far is answered by the handy FAQ posted in my first post one page one.
insanebe Caldari soni Corp Imperium Sonorumance	Posted - 2007.03.01 15:12:00 - [96] i give it a month ....tops before every pirate and his dog gets into alt corps and starts shooting the miners :p knowledge is power.... guard it well
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.01 15:17:00 - [97] Originally by: The Mittani Edited by: The Mittani on 01/03/2007 14:51:45 There's a lot of derp derp in this thread. Every question asked so far is answered by the handy FAQ posted in my first post on page one. I'll give you one then. Q: I'm lazy and so is my alliance/corp. We don't want to shoot people or help out any more than we have to. Do we have to do anything at all to get standings or can we just sit and mine in peace (and dock when neutrals enter system)? Disclaimer: Not asking on the behalf of my corporation/alliance here; the question is hypothetical and I'm just genuinely interested in the answer. -----
Baline Aegis Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.03.01 15:38:00 - [98] Edited by: Baline Aegis on 01/03/2007 15:35:06 Originally by: James Snowscoran Q: I'm lazy and so is my alliance/corp. We don't want to shoot people or help out any more than we have to. Do we have to do anything at all to get standings or can we just sit and mine in peace (and dock when neutrals enter system)? Read one more time. The business is "you use our services (refining, docking, repairing, cloning, BPO research...), and you do nearly what you want in our space". You can cloak in a safe and do absolutely nothing, explore, mine, hunt, PVP the hostiles, trade, hide when a neutral comes... Edit : this is not an official answer, but what i understand from the read of the FAQ -- Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug http://saigneurvador.free.fr/fortune/graph2.php
Johnny ReeRee	Posted - 2007.03.01 15:47:00 - [99] Well, this worked so well for The Big Blue, ASCN, and ISS, I certainly can't see why it won't work here! But I guess what makes it better than those is the same thing that makes it the same as everything else. Win!
The Dokter 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.01 15:49:00 - [100] Originally by: Amerame Hopefully this is just a first step toward a much larger free trade zone and the end of feudalism in Eve, and it is our wish to further develop ties and mutually beneficial trading agreement with other entities in Eve. 2) Right of Refusal : If a GoonSwarm member asks you to leave a system, you are to comply. It's the same as every where around eve, only difference is that goons don't provide protection so you don't have to pay a fee too stay there. How much refining tax do you have to pay? 10% "It is a good idea to "shop around" before you settle on a doctor. He can kill you."
NereSky Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.01 15:57:00 - [101] Great idea and i wish u every success in this endeavour :)
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.01 15:58:00 - [102] Originally by: Baline Aegis Edited by: Baline Aegis on 01/03/2007 15:35:06 Originally by: James Snowscoran Q: I'm lazy and so is my alliance/corp. We don't want to shoot people or help out any more than we have to. Do we have to do anything at all to get standings or can we just sit and mine in peace (and dock when neutrals enter system)? Read one more time. The business is "you use our services (refining, docking, repairing, cloning, BPO research...), and you do nearly what you want in our space". You can cloak in a safe and do absolutely nothing, explore, mine, hunt, PVP the hostiles, trade, hide when a neutral comes... Edit : this is not an official answer, but what i understand from the read of the FAQ But you're not even answering my question. I'm asking if an organization with the intent to do just that will be given standings in the first place. -----
Honeymoon Gallente Dark Centuri Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.01 16:03:00 - [103] There isn't somewhere mentioned the cost for this offer. Actually TCF charges an one time bill of 50M Isk if i got informed right ? Goons charge you 25M isk per week per 50 member in corp, right ? minimum required 50 member in corp too as i heard ? You should add that to you inital post, i am sure the corps thinking about your generous offer wanna know that forehand. "Carpe diem..."
Ozzie Asrail FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 16:04:00 - [104] Manditory blues, no POS's, 2nd priority to GS, can be set neutral (and so unable to dock and NBSI) at any time. Sorry guys but you've been calling corps "pet" and "slave" for alot less than that. Seems a pretty standard set of terms for alot of alliances. -----
wrathofflips Species 5618	Posted - 2007.03.01 16:17:00 - [105] More target for RA? I was in that station the other day and was shot by RA after a few jumps. I guess it's cool that you're offering a free pass to dock and roam freely in your system but beyond that territory your other friends are feasting.
Ione Hiigara Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.03.01 16:34:00 - [106] Originally by: Honeymoon There isn't somewhere mentioned the cost for this offer. Actually TCF charges an one time bill of 50M Isk if i got informed right ? In fact, TCF station office rental costs are about 50M/month (+ taxes on prod/research slots). You're not obliged to rent an office. If you want to get one, you have to contact one of the TCF people listed in the OP to get a free slot.
carric Caldari Barely Legal Inc	Posted - 2007.03.01 16:50:00 - [107] Edited by: carric on 01/03/2007 16:47:39 This will attract pirates and enemy alliances which could be seen as a way to make the NPC/miners more Ragoon-friendy. "hmm, goon good, let me mine. LV bad, they shoot om me ship". Brilliant plan... _______________________________________ SAY NO TO STATION WALKING TODAY! Rohk and Rook pilot.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.01 17:03:00 - [108] FAQ updated, now with more derp derp!
Zell Caldari The Black Raptors	Posted - 2007.03.01 17:13:00 - [109] Edited by: Zell on 01/03/2007 17:10:59 SO ... I jump my carrier in, ninja set a deathstar pos, sit back and collect kill mails. Goons do what? "Hello, RA, you'll never guess what happened, but theres a deathstar now in system, um can you bring your dreads over to gank tower?" "Um no, we said you could have system if you provide security, we're busy lil goons, we have complexs to sploit, time cards to sell, deal with it your self...." Uh-oh... Ginger Magician is just a nublet. I've met more people ingame that have laughed about him, than anyone else in Eve. A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once..
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.01 17:13:00 - [110] Originally by: The Mittani FAQ updated, now with more derp derp! Thanks, that clears things up a bit. But this is essentially the BoB model. With the one exception that you're explicitly allowed to sit on your bum and hide whenever enemies show up, something that would be frowned upon in BoB space (dunno how it's gonna work in practice though, I assume people will be helping out with regional defense). Oh and not being allowed to anchor POSs. -----
Armois Delgato FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 17:23:00 - [111] Hahahhaa. The seventh rule of the 'free trade zone' 7) For every 50 members of your corp or part thereof (alts included), you must deliver... 75,000 Hydrogen Isotopes (11,250m3) 25,000 Liquid Ozone (10,000m3) 25,000 Heavy Water (10,000m3) 3,500 Oxygen (3,500m3) 1,200 Coolant (2,400m3) 1,000 Mechanical Parts (1,000m3) 1,000 Enriched Uranium (1,000m3) 200 Robotics (400m3) ... per week to a station of our choice, and contract them to that station's manager in GoonFleet. I love the idea of naming an ice-slave tenancy 'free trade zone'.
Xalorn Butcherbirds	Posted - 2007.03.01 17:30:00 - [112] Originally by: Armois Delgato 75,000 Hydrogen Isotopes (11,250m3) 25,000 Liquid Ozone (10,000m3) 25,000 Heavy Water (10,000m3) 3,500 Oxygen (3,500m3) 1,200 Coolant (2,400m3) 1,000 Mechanical Parts (1,000m3) 1,000 Enriched Uranium (1,000m3) 200 Robotics (400m3) For a 50 person corporation how much would it cost a week? 30 million?
Armois Delgato FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 17:32:00 - [113] Why don't they just offer payment in ISK, then? Why structure their tenacy deal (under the guise of free trade) around hauling missions that many corps will lose several trips worth of due to unsafe conditions?
Red Gabba RennTech The Guardian Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.01 17:38:00 - [114] Originally by: The Mittani FTZ FAQ: Q: If my corp utilizes the FTZ, are there obligations to help goons defend the territory, join warfleets, etc? Can I just sit on my bum and mine all day blissfully? A: No obligation to defend, you can sit and mine all day. We have freakishly low refining taxes too! We make money off of you making money. More likely they will sit docked all day while a hostile is in local. "There problem" you might say but how do you expect people to stay in system if you will not police it?
ROMOflaven	Posted - 2007.03.01 17:47:00 - [115] Originally by: Armois Delgato Why don't they just offer payment in ISK, then? Why structure their tenacy deal (under the guise of free trade) around hauling missions that many corps will lose several trips worth of due to unsafe conditions? Just so everyone understands the context here, Armois left goons after BoB "purged" them from 0.0 in syndicate. He then joined LV, only to have goons eject him and his entire alliance from systems that goons are now giving away to empire pubbies. If you can't hear the bitterness now, at least hear the irony when he then questions the methods goons use to fuel their towers. If armois hadn't been so busy shooting mining lasers at rocks maybe he wouldn't have to read threads where people divide the spoils of a war that he was on the wrong side of.
Amerame Section XIII	Posted - 2007.03.01 17:47:00 - [116] A couple of points : The Free Trade Zone itself is fully open to a certain number of entities which TCF and GS have been friendly to for a long time, like RA, IAC, CA, KOS, UNL for instance, player of those alliances are welcome and free of any kind of charges, beside using station services while using our (GS and TCF) space. Of course if another large entity want access to the whole FTZ we're open to negociations. Basicaly as of right now it means that over 10 000 players can freely access to TCF and GS space. Then we're opening progressively this economical zone to other corporation, this is another thing, and corporations need to contact separatly GS or TCF to get access to our space. GS has its set of rules and requirement and we (TCF) have ours, which are fairly simple at the moment : you need to rent an office in TCF space and before that make a 50m payment for standings once your application has been accepted, this is probably going to change at some point.
Zyrtan Keb'Lektar 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.01 17:56:00 - [117] i really like that idea. good luck with that. sounds a little bit like iss mk2 -----------
Kovid Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.03.01 18:05:00 - [118] Edited by: Kovid on 01/03/2007 18:05:34 Well there is a small fee. It's called rent. So it's not free it all. Now it is not fuedal but it is still rentals like every other alliance model. There is nothing new here just a better attempt at propaganda to sway people to fill the space. And while a fuedal/vasal term requires tenants to provide soldiers for times of war, and taxes always. You provide seeminly reasonable taxes in bases which is fine. You provide direct materials for supplying their outposts so they don't have to for the war effort. Further I would add that while in FTZ space you may not yet have to shoot at their enemies but you do adopt their standings. Tecnically this is not NBSI since you are told to shoot it if it's neutral, it's NRDS. But most people don't even know what NRDS is and they would get scared in 0.0 of a neutral and shoot it if the opportunity was their for them. Plus they would have the enemies of the Goons picking on them. A long term stay in their FTZ could cause people to slowly gain enemies of Goonswarm by nature of them shooting at them for their own reason or just getting picked on and wanting revenge or just keeping them highlighted in red. It's a cunning way to get more people on the side of Goonswarm, and not just economically but standings-wise. Then it becomes shared enemies and suddenly a larger coalition. End result: More polarization in Eve. Quote: Q: Are GS/TCF NBSI? A: Yes. Come here and you'll be shot if you're not at + standings. We're awful mean griefing pirates. Neutrals does not equal pirates. Griefing neutrals is not good for free trade zones. Quote: Q: This is only for friends. Call it something else, it's not free! A: "Friends Free Trade Zone", "+5 Standings Trade Area", "Neon Green Goldfish", call it what you like. We don't care. You can make a free trade zone, but what you have is not that. A real FTZ could roll in cash at unbelievable rates. And best yet you would gain a lot of people on your side truly for an epic struggle against the BoB machine. And what would a BoB vassal think if they saw the real opportunity for free trade and large amounts of people going there. They would say hell with this rent and enclosed market. ---------------------------------- An informal Star Fraction FAQ \| ----------------------------------
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.03.01 18:08:00 - [119] Soo.....not so different at all. Just a Goonie pet program. <yawn>
Amerame Section XIII	Posted - 2007.03.01 18:21:00 - [120] I'm not everyone has a clear idea of what a free trade zone is, think of it as the EU if you want. It sure doesn't mean someone outside the EU can come start working and doing business in the EU for free as it pleases them and even if you're allowed to do business in the EU you still have to pay taxes.
Isonkon Serikain Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.01 18:46:00 - [121] Originally by: Amerame Edited by: Amerame on 28/02/2007 22:17:46 As of today, 1st of March, Goonswarm stations in Scalding Pass as well as Tau Ceti Federation Stations in Wicked Creek as well as economical resources in asteroid belts are open to our allies. Anyone with a standing 5 or greater in Goonswarm or Tau Ceti Federation may trade, produce, rat and mine in those regions. Hopefully this is just a first step toward a much larger free trade zone and the end of feudalism in Eve, and it is our wish to further develop ties and mutually beneficial trading agreement with other entities in Eve. For any question regarding the free trade zone, feel free to contact : Remedial, Vile Rat, Blitter in Goonswarm or Frederik, Amerame, Latton CALLAN, Raul Necrobie in TCF Each region of the free trade zone will come with a (simple) set of rules, the current rules for WC and SP are the following : Scalding Pass 1) You cannot deploy PoS. 2) Right of Refusal : If a GoonSwarm member asks you to leave a system, you are to comply. 3) All friendlies must abide by the standings page that GoonSwarm will publish soon and not shoot other friendlies, on pain of expulsion Wicked Creek 1) You cannot deploy PoS without TCF's formal authorization. 2) SO-X5L is a TCF-only system. More regions will be made available to the free trade zone members shortly. Good luck making it work. Others failed in the long run, what makes you think you'll succeed? Wait until you're overrun by carebears who wont help defend the space. It will be prime plundering time then. Pity the fool
ROMOflaven	Posted - 2007.03.01 19:00:00 - [122] Originally by: Isonkon Serikain Good luck making it work. Others failed in the long run, what makes you think you'll succeed? Wait until you're overrun by carebears who wont help defend the space. It will be prime plundering time then. I hear you can't hunt sharks without bait. In this instance the bait gets access to Angel Rats, Countless belts of ARK, the opportunity to rent Offices and use production slots in 0.0 space for 25m worth of POS fuel a week and a 5% refine tax. Oh and they don't have to worry about anyone's safety but their own. Sounds like a great deal if you currently live in empire and can't afford billions of isk a month in rental fees.
Tetsujin Caldari Band of Brosefs	Posted - 2007.03.01 19:30:00 - [123] Originally by: Isonkon Serikain Good luck making it work. Others failed in the long run, what makes you think you'll succeed? Wait until you're overrun by carebears who wont help defend the space. It will be prime plundering time then. The territories will be defended by the coalition and primarily the sovereign alliances. There will be the same amount of defenders regardless of whether the regions are absolutely empty or crammed full of carebears. The intention is to exploit the void that would otherwise go unused, not drum up more able bodies.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.01 19:54:00 - [124] Originally by: Tetsujin Originally by: Isonkon Serikain Good luck making it work. Others failed in the long run, what makes you think you'll succeed? Wait until you're overrun by carebears who wont help defend the space. It will be prime plundering time then. The territories will be defended by the coalition and primarily the sovereign alliances. There will be the same amount of defenders regardless of whether the regions are absolutely empty or crammed full of carebears. The intention is to exploit the void that would otherwise go unused, not drum up more able bodies. Wondering what troops since you are engaged in a universe wide war atm. Oh well, in any event, this idea has been tried by larger alliances in the past (sans the fee) and pretty much failed every time. Given the fees, your proposal is no different than any of the other major alliances. Having said that, why should folks consider your space as opposed to say, D2 or BoB, etc. space?
Jon Lucien Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.03.01 19:55:00 - [125] To those who wish to whine about the technicalities of the term "Free Trade Zone". Stop it. Stop whining about it. If you're going to whine about an offer that was made because it isn't all inclusive then go away. You're unwanted anyway. To the corps that want to whine "We're too small to set standings with" go join an alliance. Or get bigger. Or stop whining. Or go away. Furthermore, to those who wish to claim that this is just propoganda, or a pet-program, or other nonsense such as that: thank you for not coming over here. I'm glad you're not here, as it leaves more belts and pew pew for me. Goons have given a decent invitation for many corps or alliances that have not had 0.0 access to get a taste of the life. Hell, maybe even get a bit of pew pew in while they're playing their carebear games.
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.01 20:23:00 - [126] Originally by: Jon Lucien To those who wish to whine about the technicalities of the term "Free Trade Zone". Stop it. Stop whining about it. If you're going to whine about an offer that was made because it isn't all inclusive then go away. You're unwanted anyway. To the corps that want to whine "We're too small to set standings with" go join an alliance. Or get bigger. Or stop whining. Or go away. Furthermore, to those who wish to claim that this is just propoganda, or a pet-program, or other nonsense such as that: thank you for not coming over here. I'm glad you're not here, as it leaves more belts and pew pew for me. Goons have given a decent invitation for many corps or alliances that have not had 0.0 access to get a taste of the life. Hell, maybe even get a bit of pew pew in while they're playing their carebear games. Dude, whatever floats your boat. -----
Armois Delgato FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 20:25:00 - [127] Originally by: Jon Lucien Furthermore, to those who wish to claim that this is just propoganda, or a pet-program, or other nonsense such as that: thank you for not coming over here. I'm glad you're not here, as it leaves more belts and pew pew for me. Goons have given a decent invitation for many corps or alliances that have not had 0.0 access to get a taste of the life. Hell, maybe even get a bit of pew pew in while they're playing their carebear games. From what I have seen of the conditions the feudal trade zone is just a modified tenacy program which places a greater workload burden on the tenants than ISK tenacy would. I wonder if this modification of the norm will work out for them, but calling it a free trade zone is a bit of a misnomer.
NeverL Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.01 21:00:00 - [128] payd a visit, was nice :D
mamolian Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 21:07:00 - [129] And so begins the start of the next cycle.. the only thing that changes is who gets the minerals from the refinery stations.. Hope to be here long enough to see how this one pans out. I'll give it.. a year max. -------------------------------
Zakalwe Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.01 21:11:00 - [130] Originally by: Amerame I'm not everyone has a clear idea of what a free trade zone is, think of it as the EU if you want. It sure doesn't mean someone outside the EU can come start working and doing business in the EU for free as it pleases them and even if you're allowed to do business in the EU you still have to pay taxes. UE is not a FTZ, stop saying bull***.... Hmmm... not in the name of my Corp/Alliance
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.03.01 22:20:00 - [131] Originally by: Jon Lucien To those who wish to whine about the technicalities of the term "Free Trade Zone". Stop it. Stop whining about it. If you're going to whine about an offer that was made because it isn't all inclusive then go away. You're unwanted anyway. To the corps that want to whine "We're too small to set standings with" go join an alliance. Or get bigger. Or stop whining. Or go away. Furthermore, to those who wish to claim that this is just propoganda, or a pet-program, or other nonsense such as that: thank you for not coming over here. I'm glad you're not here, as it leaves more belts and pew pew for me. Goons have given a decent invitation for many corps or alliances that have not had 0.0 access to get a taste of the life. Hell, maybe even get a bit of pew pew in while they're playing their carebear games. Translation: We have a half-baked plan that's been tried and failed, or tried and amounted to not very much, or is being tried right now by plenty of other people. We're going to announce it in absurdly grandiose terms making it seem like something cool is happening, only when the details are examined it turns out to be nothing at all. We will go all emo and whiney if anyone points out the problems with either our plan or the terms we used to present it. Thanks. I'll be here all week. The veal's terrific.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.01 22:30:00 - [132] Originally by: NeverL payd a visit, was nice :D Admit it, you ninja'ed Arkanor with an Osprey ! ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Weatherman Gallente Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.01 22:54:00 - [133] Quote: A: For GS, The fee is in delivered fuel rather than isk, and approximates to a value of 25m isk per week for each 50 corp members or part thereof. So for a 1-50 member corp it's ~25m isk/week. 51-100 members and it's ~50m isk/week, etc. This is just a small contribution by the corp to help maintain the POSes that secure the stations for their use. This pales in comparison to the prices that feudal alliances such as BoB charge their vassal states, who are highly restricted in the space they have access to, and often also have to manage the POS logistics themselves as well as having an obligation to do whatever their masters call on them to do. I lol'd. It's ironic that your "Free" trade zone is probably more restricted with a higher fee for what you get than BoB space.
Katharina Gorbacheva Amarr Soviet Star Federation	Posted - 2007.03.01 23:18:00 - [134] Originally by: Zakalwe Originally by: Amerame I'm not everyone has a clear idea of what a free trade zone is, think of it as the EU if you want. It sure doesn't mean someone outside the EU can come start working and doing business in the EU for free as it pleases them and even if you're allowed to do business in the EU you still have to pay taxes. UE is not a FTZ, stop saying bull***.... The EU is more a united country than a FTZ.. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Dokter 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.01 23:23:00 - [135] Originally by: mamolian And so begins the start of the next cycle.. the only thing that changes is who gets the minerals from the refinery stations.. Hope to be here long enough to see how this one pans out. I'll give it.. a year max. Qft Goons are doing the same as BOB, D2 and any other big alliance that has to much space for there own members and want a bit of return on there assets/space. So instead of calling it Free Trade Zone, just call it a pet zone and get over it "It is a good idea to "shop around" before you settle on a doctor. He can kill you."
Isonkon Serikain Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.01 23:44:00 - [136] Edited by: Isonkon Serikain on 01/03/2007 23:46:35 Edited by: Isonkon Serikain on 01/03/2007 23:42:52 Originally by: Tetsujin Originally by: Isonkon Serikain Good luck making it work. Others failed in the long run, what makes you think you'll succeed? Wait until you're overrun by carebears who wont help defend the space. It will be prime plundering time then. The territories will be defended by the coalition and primarily the sovereign alliances. There will be the same amount of defenders regardless of whether the regions are absolutely empty or crammed full of carebears. The intention is to exploit the void that would otherwise go unused, not drum up more able bodies. That's kinda like what BOB does...Are you charging anything at all? Not even station taxes? Because unless everything is 100% free, you are a landlord like bob. I can see this coming from a 1000 miles. Welcome to 0.0 space management. This is going to be entertainment. Pity the fool
Kesc I'lde	Posted - 2007.03.01 23:56:00 - [137] Originally by: Isonkon Serikain That's kinda like what BOB does...Are you charging anything at all? Not even station taxes? Because unless everything is 100% free, you are a landlord like bob. I can see this coming from a 1000 miles. Welcome to 0.0 space management. This is going to be entertainment. Hurf Durf Blurf. All this is, let me try and dumb this down ok: People who want access to our space can get it and mine, rat, produce, do whatever they want at all, without obligations, as long as they agree not to shoot our friends while here. Obviously this is exactly what BoB does hurrr.
The Dokter 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.02 00:10:00 - [138] Edited by: The Dokter on 02/03/2007 00:08:32 Originally by: Kesc I'lde Originally by: Isonkon Serikain That's kinda like what BOB does...Are you charging anything at all? Not even station taxes? Because unless everything is 100% free, you are a landlord like bob. I can see this coming from a 1000 miles. Welcome to 0.0 space management. This is going to be entertainment. Hurf Durf Blurf. All this is, let me try and dumb this down ok: People who want access to our space can get it and mine, rat, produce, do whatever they want at all, without obligations, as long as they agree not to shoot our friends while here. Obviously this is exactly what BoB does hurrr. No they can't because they can't setup up a pos, they have too leave a system if anybdoy from goons says that and if they want too refine they need too pay taxes and if they want too own a office they have too pay rent. And even after all of this, they still need to defend them selfs. And in most alliance you actually can setup a pos, as long as you don't contest sov, so you are just another landlord So in what way is this different to being any others alliance renter? "It is a good idea to "shop around" before you settle on a doctor. He can kill you."
Heldane Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.03.02 00:48:00 - [139] I'm not sure what the purpose of the big debate is. The goons took over the space and are offering corps the opportunity to come make money in it. If you don't approve of the business model then simply don't take advantage of it. It doesn't matter if this is some revolutionary new plan or not, the facts of the agreemant are there and you either like it and become a part of it or you dislike and it and do not. I for one applaud the goons for their actions wether it was done before or not. Who cares?
Isonkon Serikain Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.02 00:57:00 - [140] Originally by: Heldane I'm not sure what the purpose of the big debate is. The goons took over the space and are offering corps the opportunity to come make money in it. If you don't approve of the business model then simply don't take advantage of it. It doesn't matter if this is some revolutionary new plan or not, the facts of the agreemant are there and you either like it and become a part of it or you dislike and it and do not. I for one applaud the goons for their actions wether it was done before or not. Who cares? You don't get the irony, do you? That's all ppl are pointing out here... No one cares that it's not original, poorly thought out, and that it will last 6 months. It's just ironic. Pity the fool
maarud Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.02 01:01:00 - [141] Originally by: Heldane I'm not sure what the purpose of the big debate is. The goons took over the space and are offering corps the opportunity to come make money in it. If you don't approve of the business model then simply don't take advantage of it. It doesn't matter if this is some revolutionary new plan or not, the facts of the agreemant are there and you either like it and become a part of it or you dislike and it and do not. I for one applaud the goons for their actions wether it was done before or not. Who cares? Its not what they are doing, its how they are going about it. Goons and .co have been harping on "bob pet's, liberate yourself, bla bla bla", etc. Now they are going to be doing the same thing and essentially have "pets", but they are trying to sell it to community as a "free trade zone", when it's exactly the opposite. Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Aaron Static Igneus Auctorita	Posted - 2007.03.02 01:11:00 - [142] Originally by: Red Gabba Originally by: The Mittani FTZ FAQ: Q: If my corp utilizes the FTZ, are there obligations to help goons defend the territory, join warfleets, etc? Can I just sit on my bum and mine all day blissfully? A: No obligation to defend, you can sit and mine all day. We have freakishly low refining taxes too! We make money off of you making money. More likely they will sit docked all day while a hostile is in local. "There problem" you might say but how do you expect people to stay in system if you will not police it? red... don't. You dont know what you're talking about so jus stay quiet :P Goons do a great job and most current tenants enjoy helping out with defense.. because Goons are a really fun bunch to fly with. - Igneus Auctorita Video -
Isonkon Serikain Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.02 01:17:00 - [143] Did someone say "tenant"? Pity the fool
Red Gabba RennTech The Guardian Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.02 01:23:00 - [144] Edited by: Red Gabba on 02/03/2007 01:23:28 Originally by: Aaron Static Originally by: Red Gabba Originally by: The Mittani FTZ FAQ: Q: If my corp utilizes the FTZ, are there obligations to help goons defend the territory, join warfleets, etc? Can I just sit on my bum and mine all day blissfully? A: No obligation to defend, you can sit and mine all day. We have freakishly low refining taxes too! We make money off of you making money. More likely they will sit docked all day while a hostile is in local. "There problem" you might say but how do you expect people to stay in system if you will not police it? red... don't. You dont know what you're talking about so jus stay quiet :P Goons do a great job and most current tenants enjoy helping out with defense.. because Goons are a really fun bunch to fly with. Hmmm i think i do know what im talking about and if i feel like asking i will, but a answer from a Goon Pet will do Aaron.. and since when do you get to tell me to stay quiet?
Bon Ali Bon's Ecological Recycling	Posted - 2007.03.02 01:28:00 - [145] Originally by: Isonkon Serikain Did someone say "tenant"? Did someone say "FIX"? ps, if you are wondering why Armois Delgato is so whinny in goonie threads all the time, check his corp history. Woops.
Zakalwe Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.02 01:33:00 - [146] Originally by: Katharina Gorbacheva Originally by: Zakalwe Originally by: Amerame I'm not everyone has a clear idea of what a free trade zone is, think of it as the EU if you want. It sure doesn't mean someone outside the EU can come start working and doing business in the EU for free as it pleases them and even if you're allowed to do business in the EU you still have to pay taxes. UE is not a FTZ, stop saying bull***.... The EU is more a united country than a FTZ.. Hmmm i dont really know what Amerame (Bitter Soul in english...) talking about when he says "EU". Does he mean Etats-Unis (USA), does he mean Europe (European Union)...? In both cases hes wrong ; USA is a state, and EU is not but it is not also a FTZ... If it was, i could get my social Insurance in Germany or Belgium : or the french state forbidden that : so it's not a FREE trade zone... Hmmm... not in the name of my Corp/Alliance
Katharina Gorbacheva Amarr Soviet Star Federation	Posted - 2007.03.02 01:50:00 - [147] Originally by: Zakalwe Hmmm i dont really know what Amerame (Bitter Soul in english...) talking about when he says "EU". Does he mean Etats-Unis (USA), does he mean Europe (European Union)...? In both cases hes wrong ; USA is a state, and EU is not but it is not also a FTZ... If it was, i could get my social Insurance in Germany or Belgium : or the french state forbidden that : so it's not a FREE trade zone... USA is not a single state, it's a collection of states, the EU is a collection of states too. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Slayton Ford Caldari Kudzu Collective	Posted - 2007.03.02 01:53:00 - [148] Originally by: Katharina Gorbacheva USA is not a single state, it's a collection of states, the EU is a collection of states too. Nope, the EU is a collection of sovereign nations. In a way, the EU is closer to the US under the Articles of Confederation rather then the Constitution. Now NAFTA provides a free trade zone between the US, Canada, and Mexico.
Jonny Damordred Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.03.02 03:50:00 - [149] Out with the old boss, in with the new... Cheers, Jonny D. -----
Vile rat GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.02 05:38:00 - [150] As has been said repetedly if your corp is +5 to us you can use our space. You may mine any rock, shoot any rat, sell or buy in our markets, put up gigantic can art of space dongs or whatever. If you are not an existing ally who has fought with us to open this space up then we ask you contribute to the project in a substantial way. What is substantial? A small amount of fuel that will be used to keep the system available. We are not asking for cash and we are not asking for more than is required to enable this project to continue (GS space as has been pointed out TCF have different rules for their space.) The cost is easilly affordable by even small corps. If you are an interested corporation I would be happy to answer all of your questions in game via Evemail. Also wow you guys are trying really hard to troll the hell out of this thread. The battlefield is over there, lets keep it there ok?
maarud Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.02 06:57:00 - [151] Originally by: Vile rat Also wow you guys are trying really hard to troll the hell out of this thread. The battlefield is over there, lets keep it there ok? Wow thats rich... Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Ackaroth Gallente Plundering Penguins	Posted - 2007.03.02 07:29:00 - [152] Originally by: prathe does this mean i can finnally retrieve the wolf i left in cj-6 like 1yr and a half ago? Haha agreed. I have soo much stuff left in Immensea and detorid from the old days of Chimera Pact. Originally by: Hamatitio "Oregon Trail ALliance [Wagon]" Description: You Caught Malaria and died. Plundering Penguins is recruiting. Convo/Evemail, or join channel PING1 in game.
Treebeard dk M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.02 08:20:00 - [153] Edited by: Treebeard dk on 02/03/2007 08:23:56 I find it funny that its all +5 allies that have fought with you to open up the zone that will be allowed to mine, rat, trade in it, as previously mentioned, this is no different from what everyone else is doing, you say all your allies can do it, those allies you so warmly invite, already own their own space, why would they come mine in your free zone? Name an alliance that have been fighting with you that dont already own their own space? It may sound good but only thing that would make me consider it a new thing was if you opened up the space for everyone, anything else is just the same.

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.03.02 10:01:00 - [154] Cleaned, Please keep RL politics out of CAOD, they will only pull things off topic. - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| Email us \| Wikipedia Entry They call me "Hutch" because my name is well... long

Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 10:48:00 - [155] Very nice news indeed! Visiting you as soon as today to start selling stuff. If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!!
mamolian Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 11:02:00 - [156] Originally by: Red Gabba Edited by: Red Gabba on 02/03/2007 01:23:28 Originally by: Aaron Static Originally by: Red Gabba Originally by: The Mittani More likely they will sit docked all day while a hostile is in local. "There problem" you might say but how do you expect people to stay in system if you will not police it? red... don't. You dont know what you're talking about so jus stay quiet :P Goons do a great job and most current tenants enjoy helping out with defense.. because Goons are a really fun bunch to fly with. Hmmm i think i do know what im talking about and if i feel like asking i will, but a answer from a Goon Pet will do Aaron.. and since when do you get to tell me to stay quiet? That was nice red ;) Aaron must be on some psychotropic drugs.. hes never really been on the same page.. -------------------------------
Banlish Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 11:36:00 - [157] Hrm a few thoughts: 1. It lets Goons and TCF develop their space while they are fighting at the same time. They don't have time to mine so their ppl in the Free Trade Zone do it. Um, just because their fighting a war doesn't mean they have to be stupid. It's a smart economic AND military move. If they can't stock their own markets because their fighting further south then why not let corps come in and do it for them. 2. Why can't small corps join up, we're under 50 players, yet we were told to go away. Someone touched upon this before, just make a Goon and TCF FTZ alliance (seperate alliance for each), let ppl join that, it has all the correct standings since Goons or TCF control the holding corp. The small corps get to use the alliance channel as their intel channel and Goons/TCF can use it to collect their weekly/monthly fees through it. 3. There is a list of materials to be delivered per week to our stations, it is X,Y and Z POS fuels. One word of advice, offer ppl two options. 1. They can deliver the POS fuels listed per week OR they can pay double their cost per week. Either way you win, they'll other bring you the POS fuels, or mine harder for more taxes. 4. This is just Goons/TCF doing the same exact things BoB/D2/and every alliance in the game does. Somewhat, their fees are less, they aren't making ppl defend and have said outright "at your own risk" The one thing I'm seeing that has only been touched upon by a few ppl in a sentence or two here and there, this is a great way for them to offer something concrete to LV/BoB residents. And I don't mean that as "come join us, help destrying the ebil BoB's" of any of that BS everyone is so angrily(sp?) spouting these days. It's pure and simple economics. These fees are extremely low, Goons and TCF don't have to approach the current residents in BoB space. These costs should make some of those entities approach them instead. Maybe it won't happen, I'm not trying to turn it into a "Zomg, they should run to Goons/TCF space to help kill BoB" So please leave that crap out of it. But, the costs are lower and the space is some of the best 0.0 in the game. Maybe through sheer availibity as well as lower costs we'll see some ppl pack their bags and go to this 'newer open space'. Whether Goons/TCF want to allow resident corps and alliances from BoB and LV to come in as this war progresses is up to them however.
Vile rat GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.02 11:52:00 - [158] We will accept smaller corps now. I really wish they would give you more than 300 corp to corp standings or allow you to set docking rights to an alliance If you are a smaller corp and would like to discuss the Free trade zone please mail me in game and I'd be happy to answer all of your questions.
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.03.02 13:32:00 - [159] The upside of this is that now we don't have to hear any more of this boring chatter about BoB pets, BoB slaves, or whatever else. The Goonie terms are worse! Hauling ice? ROFL! If the Goonie pet project does nothing else, it will have made COAD a better place! Thanks Goonies! derp derp derp!
Veronique deEstelle Gallente Diplomatic Disruption	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:11:00 - [160] All that is missing now is a corp specialised in delivering POS-fuel and everbody is happy.
Ace Frehley Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:22:00 - [161] See you soon with an army of black lance pilots in corvetors, hulks carriers and other miningmachines..... Girljerms is more lethal then a fleet of 1000 Tempests Yeah I¦m nude, I¦m a swede and I¦m armed with bad jokes [url="http://www.
Weatherman Gallente Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:03:00 - [162] Originally by: Vile rat As has been said repetedly if your corp is +5 to us you can use our space. You may mine any rock, shoot any rat, sell or buy in our markets, put up gigantic can art of space dongs or whatever. If you are not an existing ally who has fought with us to open this space up then we ask you contribute to the project in a substantial way. What is substantial? A small amount of fuel that will be used to keep the system available. We are not asking for cash and we are not asking for more than is required to enable this project to continue (GS space as has been pointed out TCF have different rules for their space.) The cost is easilly affordable by even small corps. If you are an interested corporation I would be happy to answer all of your questions in game via Evemail. Also wow you guys are trying really hard to troll the hell out of this thread. The battlefield is over there, lets keep it there ok? You do realize that getting your fuel for you and hauling it into 0.0 without goon protection is actually prolly much harder than just giving you isk right? BoB don't even do that lol. I would consider someone who does that for you to qualify as a slave. And I don't think people are trolling so much as basking in the blatant hypocrisy. It amuses me greatly.
Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:35:00 - [163] Edited by: Swift Wind on 02/03/2007 22:31:42 Originally by: Veronique deEstelle All that is missing now is a corp specialised in delivering POS-fuel and everbody is happy. Anywhere, Anytime ... Just convo.... :O) Anywhere, Anytime.
Valen L'eganas Gallente Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.03.03 11:26:00 - [164] You guys mind watching my stuff there? I still have some left at the good ol' 1V- station. Ah... the good times.... sniff... ---------------------- We don't care, what you say. I'mma do my thing, from day to day... We don't care, what you think. 'Cause in this world, it's Swim-or-Sink...
Mourning Starr M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.03 11:45:00 - [165] Thanks for providing such a target rich environment.
Tien Matsuko	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:13:00 - [166] Dress it up anyway you want, it's still "same ****e, new management" Pretty much the way BoB treats their vassal corps. Nothing wrong with that.
Amaron Ghant Caldari SolarFlare Salvaging And Rigging United Corporations Of Modern Eve	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:17:00 - [167] Originally by: Tien Matsuko Dress it up anyway you want, it's still "same ****e, new management" Pretty much the way BoB treats their vassal corps. Nothing wrong with that. Best I post with my main huh?
Jinnigan Minmatar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.06 18:03:00 - [168] This thread is just a million iterations of a few different viewpoints. 1. This is the same as ISS even though it's not. It won't work. 2. We have to be friendly to you, AND pay a fee, AND pay taxes?! That's not free! If I wanted to live in the real world, I'd move out of my parents' house. 3. I don't just want to take advantage of the rich resources you fought to gain control of. I also want you to hold my hand and defend me from mean people. 4. Your useage terms are much better, you don't require us to defend your space, and your fees and taxes are a lot more reasonable than BoB's. It's still exactly what BoB is doing. You're a bunch of hypocrite****s. 5. Other people do this same thing, so you're not special. I stumbled into this thread by accident while perusing the pudding stains on my shirt. I swear, this one here looks exactly like Boba Fett! 6. My LK membership carries a requisite of three whiny posts in Goon related threads per week. I'm going for extra credit. 7. I'm an awesome ganker, so I guess this means I get to traipse into GS/TCF space and pwn n00bs! I doubt they'd bother engaging ganking asshats in their own territory.
Dao 2 Suicidal-Kushan-Pirates	Posted - 2007.03.06 18:17:00 - [169] Originally by: Jinnigan This thread is just a million iterations of a few different viewpoints. 1. This is the same as ISS even though it's not. It won't work. 2. We have to be friendly to you, AND pay a fee, AND pay taxes?! That's not free! If I wanted to live in the real world, I'd move out of my parents' house. 3. I don't just want to take advantage of the rich resources you fought to gain control of. I also want you to hold my hand and defend me from mean people. 4. Your useage terms are much better, you don't require us to defend your space, and your fees and taxes are a lot more reasonable than BoB's. It's still exactly what BoB is doing. You're a bunch of hypocrite****s. 5. Other people do this same thing, so you're not special. I stumbled into this thread by accident while perusing the pudding stains on my shirt. I swear, this one here looks exactly like Boba Fett! 6. My LK membership carries a requisite of three whiny posts in Goon related threads per week. I'm going for extra credit. 7. I'm an awesome ganker, so I guess this means I get to traipse into GS/TCF space and pwn n00bs! I doubt they'd bother engaging ganking asshats in their own territory. slight difference ;p theyre not looking to make a profit here :\| ;p and the fee is minimal as long as u can get the fuel up (carriers ftw ;p) and they said "low-tax", i dunno how much theyre tax is but 10% is pretty much standard in .0 so if they have less all the better ;p Even in npc space u pay the tax so o_0 ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.06 18:34:00 - [170] Originally by: Vile rat As has been said repetedly if your corp is +5 to us you can use our space. You may mine any rock, shoot any rat, sell or buy in our markets, put up gigantic can art of space dongs or whatever. If you are not an existing ally who has fought with us to open this space up then we ask you contribute to the project in a substantial way. What is substantial? A small amount of fuel that will be used to keep the system available. We are not asking for cash and we are not asking for more than is required to enable this project to continue (GS space as has been pointed out TCF have different rules for their space.) The cost is easilly affordable by even small corps. If you are an interested corporation I would be happy to answer all of your questions in game via Evemail. Also wow you guys are trying really hard to troll the hell out of this thread. The battlefield is over there, lets keep it there ok? Translation: We want you to pay for living here, not in isk but in supplies (like there is a difference) and if any member of our alliance tells you to leave a belt because that officer just spawned, leave and let him kill it. Gotcha.
Jinnigan Minmatar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.06 19:00:00 - [171] Edited by: Jinnigan on 06/03/2007 19:03:54 Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Translation: We want you to pay for living here, not in isk but in supplies (like there is a difference) and if any member of our alliance tells you to leave a belt because that officer just spawned, leave and let him kill it. Gotcha. This particular reply is an example of talking points #2 and #4 mentioned above. Would anyone like to try again?
Mitrediablo Igneus Auctorita	Posted - 2007.03.06 19:08:00 - [172] Originally by: Jinnigan This thread is just a million iterations of a few different viewpoints. 1. This is the same as ISS even though it's not. It won't work. 2. We have to be friendly to you, AND pay a fee, AND pay taxes?! That's not free! If I wanted to live in the real world, I'd move out of my parents' house. 3. I don't just want to take advantage of the rich resources you fought to gain control of. I also want you to hold my hand and defend me from mean people. 4. Your useage terms are much better, you don't require us to defend your space, and your fees and taxes are a lot more reasonable than BoB's. It's still exactly what BoB is doing. You're a bunch of hypocrite****s. 5. Other people do this same thing, so you're not special. I stumbled into this thread by accident while perusing the pudding stains on my shirt. I swear, this one here looks exactly like Boba Fett! 6. My LK membership carries a requisite of three whiny posts in Goon related threads per week. I'm going for extra credit. 7. I'm an awesome ganker, so I guess this means I get to traipse into GS/TCF space and pwn n00bs! I doubt they'd bother engaging ganking asshats in their own territory. Your an idiot
Jinnigan Minmatar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.06 19:09:00 - [173] Originally by: Mitrediablo Your an idiot This particular quote contains no content! Would anyone else like to try again?
B1G DAVE Mining and Research Industrial Organisation Hell Hounds	Posted - 2007.03.06 19:14:00 - [174] Sorry i havent read the whole thread, so this may have been mentioned before. But first of all you say its free, fair enough. But then you say corps using the space have to pay 25m a week in POS fuel. How does that work?
Jinnigan Minmatar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.06 19:16:00 - [175] Originally by: B1G DAVE Sorry i havent read the whole thread, so this may have been mentioned before. But first of all you say its free, fair enough. But then you say corps using the space have to pay 25m a week in POS fuel. How does that work? The United States is a free nation, yes? You still have to pay taxes, yes? Freedom of Speech doesn't mean you can get a book published for free, does it?
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.06 19:59:00 - [176] Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 06/03/2007 19:58:26 Originally by: Jinnigan Edited by: Jinnigan on 06/03/2007 19:03:54 Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Translation: We want you to pay for living here, not in isk but in supplies (like there is a difference) and if any member of our alliance tells you to leave a belt because that officer just spawned, leave and let him kill it. Gotcha. This particular reply is an example of talking points #2 and #4 mentioned above. Would anyone like to try again? Basically you are saying charge you less as long as you are +5 to us. Still does not address the officer spawn or the nice roid. As far as defending, BoB tenants are not required to defend either, btw. And some allies, like FIX, pay nothing at all, unlike what Goons are proposing to their "allies." You are a funny man. Pot meet kettle.
Jinnigan Minmatar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.06 20:57:00 - [177] Edited by: Jinnigan on 06/03/2007 20:53:46 Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 06/03/2007 19:58:26 Originally by: Jinnigan Edited by: Jinnigan on 06/03/2007 19:03:54 Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Translation: We want you to pay for living here, not in isk but in supplies (like there is a difference) and if any member of our alliance tells you to leave a belt because that officer just spawned, leave and let him kill it. Gotcha. This particular reply is an example of talking points #2 and #4 mentioned above. Would anyone like to try again? Basically you are saying charge you less as long as you are +5 to us. Still does not address the officer spawn or the nice roid. As far as defending, BoB tenants are not required to defend either, btw. And some allies, like FIX, pay nothing at all, unlike what Goons are proposing to their "allies." You are a funny man. Pot meet kettle. A) I am not in GoonSwarm. See my corp and alliance? B) If you are fighting a rare spawn, continue fighting it, escalate to a director, and tell the Goon you are doing so. C) If you have any brain cells, you'll notice that the FTZ agreements are for public, unaffiliated corporations and alliances. Pre-war allies (and others?) have their own agreements with GoonSwarms. Please insert two quarters to try again, sir.
hybridundertaker Amarr Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.03.07 03:41:00 - [178] I like the idea of free zones so i was exited when i saw the post. When i read a bit more i stayed exited but only from a pirate, not the freedom loving point of view... personaly i think the conditions are nice but id call it a cheap napland zone not a free zone (NBSI,no poses, posibility of farming spawns for goons, taxes in fuels). Well i guess goonies conquered the space, that is good enought so now no one can expect them to fuel all those needed poses so others can rat or mine in 0.0 either. TCF conditions seem however bit closer to free zone. Completly free zones are an utopia anyway cos who is gonna fuel poses if its all free. Few regions with npc stations were kinda free (with no larger entity rulling it) at some points but the market was null and there were so many pirates even pirates started grumbling... Im glad thou to see the honesty of the disclaimer ''the goons might or might not save you'' EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER
Double Stuff Failure Cascade	Posted - 2007.03.07 05:08:00 - [179] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Basically you are saying charge you less as long as you are +5 to us. Still does not address the officer spawn or the nice roid. As far as defending, BoB tenants are not required to defend either, btw. And some allies, like FIX, pay nothing at all, unlike what Goons are proposing to their "allies." You are a funny man. Pot meet kettle. I'm not sure what you're so upset about but Im going to try to clear up a few things that you and others are ranting about. I'm not a goonfleet offical or anything but I do know how to read for comprehension. 1) Goonfleet Standings Page Most if not all All the people listed in the alliance section pay nothing at all to Goonswarm. Thats a huge amount of people that have free access to all Goonswarm resources and stations for free. Far better than anything BoB grants its Pets. 2) its buried somewhere in this thread or maybe on scrapheap that the station tax is 5%. No docking fee. 3) also buried in this thread or on scrapheap right of refusal was explained; if you are ratting and a goon comes into system and for whatever reason you are asked to leave, you have rights to finish your spawn and tractor your cans, etc. no goon is going to follow anyone around belt to belt to OMG TAKE YOUR SPAWN, and its stupid to think so. 3a) right of refusal from what Ive gathered does not apply to mining belts at all. 4) no pos'es. this is just a safety thing as a general rule. prove yourself and Im sure exceptions are made. but from the sound of it, all the corps responding hate the idea of using fuel so I'm not sure how they would run their pos'es anyway, which leads to.. 5) OMG I HAVE TO PAY IN FUEL. I see this as just a way of seperating the freeloaders from the corps that will add value to the region. Anyone can rat 25m in little over an hour in 0.0. Its not about the ISK value. If hauling some fuel really bothers you, you're probably not cut out for 0.0 life. This is just a filter. The smart ones realize what a bargin this is and will earn ~15mil/hour on a bad day, and the not so smart ones will stay in emire earning ~3mil/day but atleast they dont have to haul a badger load of fuel I guess. Also, goons are very capitalist and I bet you can already buy all the fuel required from the same station you're supposed to deliver it too anyway. Not to mention if you're a corp looking for a niche...take the goons up on their offer, mine ICE and sell it to the other corps who cant be bothered to OMG I HAVE TO HAUL ICE?. You'll make a fortune.
Amazoph Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.08 20:40:00 - [180] Hmm... the goon hypocrispy sees no bounds How long exactly have Goons been ranting on about 'bob pets', 'bob slaves'? And now they go and do this. Cheap *****s.
morefeeus	Posted - 2007.03.08 22:42:00 - [181] Edited by: morefeeus on 08/03/2007 22:39:03 Double Stuff's a Scrubs fan...
Emperors Shoper	Posted - 2007.04.22 09:15:00 - [182] On behalf of my corp i would like to join the free trade zone. i have been looking for a way to be friendly with a large alliance and mine as safe as possible. i can offer minerals ships mods, anything and every service for cheep. so i think it could be benificial if i were allowed occupy many of your systems. i am a non violent player nor is anyone currently in my corp. not that we cant defend ourselfs, we just never pick a fight.
Rancid Beef Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.04.22 09:34:00 - [183] Or you can join the Alliance, 1/2 the price the goons charge and 80% more targets ! :) On a side note, anyone watch UFC 70 and see Marco Cro Cop (spelling) take that kick to the head? "A friend of death, a brother of luck, and a s.o.b."
Vile rat GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.04.22 09:42:00 - [184] FTZ requests can be made to Vile rat in game.
Papa Digger REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.22 10:33:00 - [185] Originally by: Rancid Beef Or you can join the Rise Alliance... ... and sit on station. :) ---- CEO.
Minigin Ganja Labs Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.22 10:45:00 - [186] begun, the alt wars have. Your signature <----- My awsome Sig Real men PVP on the Forums.
Rancid Beef Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.04.22 21:12:00 - [187] or leave your pos during U.S. times... <3 RA though :) "A friend of death, a brother of luck, and a s.o.b."
Promon Delnai coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.22 21:21:00 - [188] Edited by: Promon Delnai on 22/04/2007 21:17:35 This is just a big ploy by Goons to farm up targets so they can reset standings and kill everyone! ...at least thats what id do ________________
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.04.22 21:53:00 - [189] Edited by: HankMurphy on 22/04/2007 21:49:27 Hypocrisy: the act of condemning another person, where the stated basis for the criticism is the breach of a rule which also applies to the critic. A person engaged in hypocrisy is called a hypocrite. Goonswarm1: "pets, pets die, bob pets cheaters and pets, we kill pets cause your pets.." then in this thread... Goonswarm1: "we are opening our space to entities that wish to pay us a fee and do as we say. We are calling it a free trade zone.. though its not really free. Did we mention we are ending Feudalism in eve? oh, and you wont be pets... you'll be guests, and we wont be feudal leaders we will be.... uh.. we are liberators!" Coalition1: "we kill bob because they are cheaters, we have to. they use iffy game mechanics and cheat! cheaters will die! cheaters rabble cheaters..." three minutes later in space... Alliance1: "wait, your telling me goonswarm was logged off in that system for 4 hours waiting to log on trap us?? oh, wait, COMS, we got a red engaged in core... never mind he logged off before we dropped teh bubble..." Originally by: Papa Digger Originally by: Rancid Beef Or you can join the Rise Alliance... ... and sit on station. :) so how come RA aren't joining the whole 'free trade zone project'? Aren't you guys also wanting to end feudalism in eve / promote free trade for all? you DID secure this space, it certainly must be all part of your plan to free the south right? oh wait.... i see what you did there -------------------- funny, all the propaganda that flies around, all the reasons the coalition think they have for their war.. day by day they become more like what (they claim) they despise . and all the while RA milks their plexes and bides their time. so i wonder what kind of free trade treaty RA will set up for everyone in this glorious new future you plan on? the hypocrisy of the coalition knows no bounds. i know what i'm fighting for, do you?
Aeleva Caldari Hegemonic Core Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.04.22 21:57:00 - [190] Q: Uh, why should I care? A: Low taxes at refining stations, no docking fees, office rental, the largest market in 0.0 and rampant capitalism. Ratting and mining in thousands of belts in deep 0.0. No rental feels, pet status, slave status, anything. But the tax.... Well last i saw it was 50mil isk per week, tis what we were paying before moving out (cant really afford it with only 2 active corp members). The POS fuel is not 25mil, best i could really manage on it was 42mil cost + about 20-30 mil more to actually get a carrier to move it to 0.0 This does depend on where you are. FTZ Is however a good idea for larger corps who want to gain 0.0 access and i will salute goon for coming up with a good plan and actually following though. Just check the wording of your posts. Hope it continues to work, though id hate to see all of EVE as FTZ as much as id hate to see BOB control it all :D
Weka Dart Caldari Band of Sisters	Posted - 2007.04.22 22:38:00 - [191] Originally by: Aeleva Q: Uh, why should I care? A: Low taxes at refining stations, no docking fees, office rental, the largest market in 0.0 and rampant capitalism. Ratting and mining in thousands of belts in deep 0.0. No rental feels, pet status, slave status, anything. But the tax.... Well last i saw it was 50mil isk per week, tis what we were paying before moving out (cant really afford it with only 2 active corp members). The POS fuel is not 25mil, best i could really manage on it was 42mil cost + about 20-30 mil more to actually get a carrier to move it to 0.0 This does depend on where you are. FTZ Is however a good idea for larger corps who want to gain 0.0 access and i will salute goon for coming up with a good plan and actually following though. Just check the wording of your posts. Hope it continues to work, though id hate to see all of EVE as FTZ as much as id hate to see BOB control it all :D BOB already controls half of eve, the rest is just a matter of time tbh Tech 2 pets 4tw
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.04.22 22:41:00 - [192] god damnit! i just realized this is a lousy necro. bad necro! very bad necro! Emperors Shoper, may the blight of a thousand digital plagues infect your OS
Papa Digger REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.23 05:44:00 - [193] Originally by: HankMurphy so how come RA aren't joining the whole 'free trade zone project'? Aren't you guys also wanting to end feudalism in eve / promote free trade for all? you DID secure this space, it certainly must be all part of your plan to free the south right? oh wait.... i see what you did there -------------------- funny, all the propaganda that flies around, all the reasons the coalition think they have for their war.. day by day they become more like what (they claim) they despise . and all the while RA milks their plexes and bides their time. so i wonder what kind of free trade treaty RA will set up for everyone in this glorious new future you plan on? the hypocrisy of the coalition knows no bounds. i know what i'm fighting for, do you? Alliance propaganda machine ftw. As I know we not own "friendly" plexes which we are not used before FTZ was declared. And we are not using FTZ resources (never saw our members mining/ratting there). So we are not going to set up any new rules for FTZ. If u care about your space, what you are wondering? You are our enemy and we shoot you. pew-pew PS. And yeah, I know what I'm fighting for. See ya in space. ---- CEO.
Elmer Phud	Posted - 2007.04.23 05:51:00 - [194] Originally by: Papa Digger PS. And yeah, I know what I'm fighting for. Your rent money?
Viliny principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.23 07:11:00 - [195] Excuse me to interrupt here, but i thought that i should tell you that there is a thread now that informs the public that IAC might be / will be shooting neutrals. So traders should take caution and be aware of the current situation. Take care :]

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