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maarud Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.02 06:57:00 - [151] Originally by: Vile rat Also wow you guys are trying really hard to troll the hell out of this thread. The battlefield is over there, lets keep it there ok? Wow thats rich... Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Ackaroth Gallente Plundering Penguins	Posted - 2007.03.02 07:29:00 - [152] Originally by: prathe does this mean i can finnally retrieve the wolf i left in cj-6 like 1yr and a half ago? Haha agreed. I have soo much stuff left in Immensea and detorid from the old days of Chimera Pact. Originally by: Hamatitio "Oregon Trail ALliance [Wagon]" Description: You Caught Malaria and died. Plundering Penguins is recruiting. Convo/Evemail, or join channel PING1 in game.
Treebeard dk M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.02 08:20:00 - [153] Edited by: Treebeard dk on 02/03/2007 08:23:56 I find it funny that its all +5 allies that have fought with you to open up the zone that will be allowed to mine, rat, trade in it, as previously mentioned, this is no different from what everyone else is doing, you say all your allies can do it, those allies you so warmly invite, already own their own space, why would they come mine in your free zone? Name an alliance that have been fighting with you that dont already own their own space? It may sound good but only thing that would make me consider it a new thing was if you opened up the space for everyone, anything else is just the same.

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.03.02 10:01:00 - [154] Cleaned, Please keep RL politics out of CAOD, they will only pull things off topic. - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| Email us \| Wikipedia Entry They call me "Hutch" because my name is well... long

Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 10:48:00 - [155] Very nice news indeed! Visiting you as soon as today to start selling stuff. If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!!
mamolian Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 11:02:00 - [156] Originally by: Red Gabba Edited by: Red Gabba on 02/03/2007 01:23:28 Originally by: Aaron Static Originally by: Red Gabba Originally by: The Mittani More likely they will sit docked all day while a hostile is in local. "There problem" you might say but how do you expect people to stay in system if you will not police it? red... don't. You dont know what you're talking about so jus stay quiet :P Goons do a great job and most current tenants enjoy helping out with defense.. because Goons are a really fun bunch to fly with. Hmmm i think i do know what im talking about and if i feel like asking i will, but a answer from a Goon Pet will do Aaron.. and since when do you get to tell me to stay quiet? That was nice red ;) Aaron must be on some psychotropic drugs.. hes never really been on the same page.. -------------------------------
Banlish Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 11:36:00 - [157] Hrm a few thoughts: 1. It lets Goons and TCF develop their space while they are fighting at the same time. They don't have time to mine so their ppl in the Free Trade Zone do it. Um, just because their fighting a war doesn't mean they have to be stupid. It's a smart economic AND military move. If they can't stock their own markets because their fighting further south then why not let corps come in and do it for them. 2. Why can't small corps join up, we're under 50 players, yet we were told to go away. Someone touched upon this before, just make a Goon and TCF FTZ alliance (seperate alliance for each), let ppl join that, it has all the correct standings since Goons or TCF control the holding corp. The small corps get to use the alliance channel as their intel channel and Goons/TCF can use it to collect their weekly/monthly fees through it. 3. There is a list of materials to be delivered per week to our stations, it is X,Y and Z POS fuels. One word of advice, offer ppl two options. 1. They can deliver the POS fuels listed per week OR they can pay double their cost per week. Either way you win, they'll other bring you the POS fuels, or mine harder for more taxes. 4. This is just Goons/TCF doing the same exact things BoB/D2/and every alliance in the game does. Somewhat, their fees are less, they aren't making ppl defend and have said outright "at your own risk" The one thing I'm seeing that has only been touched upon by a few ppl in a sentence or two here and there, this is a great way for them to offer something concrete to LV/BoB residents. And I don't mean that as "come join us, help destrying the ebil BoB's" of any of that BS everyone is so angrily(sp?) spouting these days. It's pure and simple economics. These fees are extremely low, Goons and TCF don't have to approach the current residents in BoB space. These costs should make some of those entities approach them instead. Maybe it won't happen, I'm not trying to turn it into a "Zomg, they should run to Goons/TCF space to help kill BoB" So please leave that crap out of it. But, the costs are lower and the space is some of the best 0.0 in the game. Maybe through sheer availibity as well as lower costs we'll see some ppl pack their bags and go to this 'newer open space'. Whether Goons/TCF want to allow resident corps and alliances from BoB and LV to come in as this war progresses is up to them however.
Vile rat GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.02 11:52:00 - [158] We will accept smaller corps now. I really wish they would give you more than 300 corp to corp standings or allow you to set docking rights to an alliance If you are a smaller corp and would like to discuss the Free trade zone please mail me in game and I'd be happy to answer all of your questions.
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.03.02 13:32:00 - [159] The upside of this is that now we don't have to hear any more of this boring chatter about BoB pets, BoB slaves, or whatever else. The Goonie terms are worse! Hauling ice? ROFL! If the Goonie pet project does nothing else, it will have made COAD a better place! Thanks Goonies! derp derp derp!
Veronique deEstelle Gallente Diplomatic Disruption	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:11:00 - [160] All that is missing now is a corp specialised in delivering POS-fuel and everbody is happy.

Ace Frehley Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:22:00 - [161] See you soon with an army of black lance pilots in corvetors, hulks carriers and other miningmachines..... Girljerms is more lethal then a fleet of 1000 Tempests Yeah I¦m nude, I¦m a swede and I¦m armed with bad jokes [url="http://www.
Weatherman Gallente Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:03:00 - [162] Originally by: Vile rat As has been said repetedly if your corp is +5 to us you can use our space. You may mine any rock, shoot any rat, sell or buy in our markets, put up gigantic can art of space dongs or whatever. If you are not an existing ally who has fought with us to open this space up then we ask you contribute to the project in a substantial way. What is substantial? A small amount of fuel that will be used to keep the system available. We are not asking for cash and we are not asking for more than is required to enable this project to continue (GS space as has been pointed out TCF have different rules for their space.) The cost is easilly affordable by even small corps. If you are an interested corporation I would be happy to answer all of your questions in game via Evemail. Also wow you guys are trying really hard to troll the hell out of this thread. The battlefield is over there, lets keep it there ok? You do realize that getting your fuel for you and hauling it into 0.0 without goon protection is actually prolly much harder than just giving you isk right? BoB don't even do that lol. I would consider someone who does that for you to qualify as a slave. And I don't think people are trolling so much as basking in the blatant hypocrisy. It amuses me greatly.
Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:35:00 - [163] Edited by: Swift Wind on 02/03/2007 22:31:42 Originally by: Veronique deEstelle All that is missing now is a corp specialised in delivering POS-fuel and everbody is happy. Anywhere, Anytime ... Just convo.... :O) Anywhere, Anytime.
Valen L'eganas Gallente Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.03.03 11:26:00 - [164] You guys mind watching my stuff there? I still have some left at the good ol' 1V- station. Ah... the good times.... sniff... ---------------------- We don't care, what you say. I'mma do my thing, from day to day... We don't care, what you think. 'Cause in this world, it's Swim-or-Sink...
Mourning Starr M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.03 11:45:00 - [165] Thanks for providing such a target rich environment.
Tien Matsuko	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:13:00 - [166] Dress it up anyway you want, it's still "same ****e, new management" Pretty much the way BoB treats their vassal corps. Nothing wrong with that.
Amaron Ghant Caldari SolarFlare Salvaging And Rigging United Corporations Of Modern Eve	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:17:00 - [167] Originally by: Tien Matsuko Dress it up anyway you want, it's still "same ****e, new management" Pretty much the way BoB treats their vassal corps. Nothing wrong with that. Best I post with my main huh?
Jinnigan Minmatar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.06 18:03:00 - [168] This thread is just a million iterations of a few different viewpoints. 1. This is the same as ISS even though it's not. It won't work. 2. We have to be friendly to you, AND pay a fee, AND pay taxes?! That's not free! If I wanted to live in the real world, I'd move out of my parents' house. 3. I don't just want to take advantage of the rich resources you fought to gain control of. I also want you to hold my hand and defend me from mean people. 4. Your useage terms are much better, you don't require us to defend your space, and your fees and taxes are a lot more reasonable than BoB's. It's still exactly what BoB is doing. You're a bunch of hypocrite****s. 5. Other people do this same thing, so you're not special. I stumbled into this thread by accident while perusing the pudding stains on my shirt. I swear, this one here looks exactly like Boba Fett! 6. My LK membership carries a requisite of three whiny posts in Goon related threads per week. I'm going for extra credit. 7. I'm an awesome ganker, so I guess this means I get to traipse into GS/TCF space and pwn n00bs! I doubt they'd bother engaging ganking asshats in their own territory.
Dao 2 Suicidal-Kushan-Pirates	Posted - 2007.03.06 18:17:00 - [169] Originally by: Jinnigan This thread is just a million iterations of a few different viewpoints. 1. This is the same as ISS even though it's not. It won't work. 2. We have to be friendly to you, AND pay a fee, AND pay taxes?! That's not free! If I wanted to live in the real world, I'd move out of my parents' house. 3. I don't just want to take advantage of the rich resources you fought to gain control of. I also want you to hold my hand and defend me from mean people. 4. Your useage terms are much better, you don't require us to defend your space, and your fees and taxes are a lot more reasonable than BoB's. It's still exactly what BoB is doing. You're a bunch of hypocrite****s. 5. Other people do this same thing, so you're not special. I stumbled into this thread by accident while perusing the pudding stains on my shirt. I swear, this one here looks exactly like Boba Fett! 6. My LK membership carries a requisite of three whiny posts in Goon related threads per week. I'm going for extra credit. 7. I'm an awesome ganker, so I guess this means I get to traipse into GS/TCF space and pwn n00bs! I doubt they'd bother engaging ganking asshats in their own territory. slight difference ;p theyre not looking to make a profit here :\| ;p and the fee is minimal as long as u can get the fuel up (carriers ftw ;p) and they said "low-tax", i dunno how much theyre tax is but 10% is pretty much standard in .0 so if they have less all the better ;p Even in npc space u pay the tax so o_0 ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.06 18:34:00 - [170] Originally by: Vile rat As has been said repetedly if your corp is +5 to us you can use our space. You may mine any rock, shoot any rat, sell or buy in our markets, put up gigantic can art of space dongs or whatever. If you are not an existing ally who has fought with us to open this space up then we ask you contribute to the project in a substantial way. What is substantial? A small amount of fuel that will be used to keep the system available. We are not asking for cash and we are not asking for more than is required to enable this project to continue (GS space as has been pointed out TCF have different rules for their space.) The cost is easilly affordable by even small corps. If you are an interested corporation I would be happy to answer all of your questions in game via Evemail. Also wow you guys are trying really hard to troll the hell out of this thread. The battlefield is over there, lets keep it there ok? Translation: We want you to pay for living here, not in isk but in supplies (like there is a difference) and if any member of our alliance tells you to leave a belt because that officer just spawned, leave and let him kill it. Gotcha.

Jinnigan Minmatar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.06 19:00:00 - [171] Edited by: Jinnigan on 06/03/2007 19:03:54 Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Translation: We want you to pay for living here, not in isk but in supplies (like there is a difference) and if any member of our alliance tells you to leave a belt because that officer just spawned, leave and let him kill it. Gotcha. This particular reply is an example of talking points #2 and #4 mentioned above. Would anyone like to try again?
Mitrediablo Igneus Auctorita	Posted - 2007.03.06 19:08:00 - [172] Originally by: Jinnigan This thread is just a million iterations of a few different viewpoints. 1. This is the same as ISS even though it's not. It won't work. 2. We have to be friendly to you, AND pay a fee, AND pay taxes?! That's not free! If I wanted to live in the real world, I'd move out of my parents' house. 3. I don't just want to take advantage of the rich resources you fought to gain control of. I also want you to hold my hand and defend me from mean people. 4. Your useage terms are much better, you don't require us to defend your space, and your fees and taxes are a lot more reasonable than BoB's. It's still exactly what BoB is doing. You're a bunch of hypocrite****s. 5. Other people do this same thing, so you're not special. I stumbled into this thread by accident while perusing the pudding stains on my shirt. I swear, this one here looks exactly like Boba Fett! 6. My LK membership carries a requisite of three whiny posts in Goon related threads per week. I'm going for extra credit. 7. I'm an awesome ganker, so I guess this means I get to traipse into GS/TCF space and pwn n00bs! I doubt they'd bother engaging ganking asshats in their own territory. Your an idiot
Jinnigan Minmatar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.06 19:09:00 - [173] Originally by: Mitrediablo Your an idiot This particular quote contains no content! Would anyone else like to try again?
B1G DAVE Mining and Research Industrial Organisation Hell Hounds	Posted - 2007.03.06 19:14:00 - [174] Sorry i havent read the whole thread, so this may have been mentioned before. But first of all you say its free, fair enough. But then you say corps using the space have to pay 25m a week in POS fuel. How does that work?
Jinnigan Minmatar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.06 19:16:00 - [175] Originally by: B1G DAVE Sorry i havent read the whole thread, so this may have been mentioned before. But first of all you say its free, fair enough. But then you say corps using the space have to pay 25m a week in POS fuel. How does that work? The United States is a free nation, yes? You still have to pay taxes, yes? Freedom of Speech doesn't mean you can get a book published for free, does it?
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.06 19:59:00 - [176] Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 06/03/2007 19:58:26 Originally by: Jinnigan Edited by: Jinnigan on 06/03/2007 19:03:54 Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Translation: We want you to pay for living here, not in isk but in supplies (like there is a difference) and if any member of our alliance tells you to leave a belt because that officer just spawned, leave and let him kill it. Gotcha. This particular reply is an example of talking points #2 and #4 mentioned above. Would anyone like to try again? Basically you are saying charge you less as long as you are +5 to us. Still does not address the officer spawn or the nice roid. As far as defending, BoB tenants are not required to defend either, btw. And some allies, like FIX, pay nothing at all, unlike what Goons are proposing to their "allies." You are a funny man. Pot meet kettle.
Jinnigan Minmatar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.06 20:57:00 - [177] Edited by: Jinnigan on 06/03/2007 20:53:46 Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 06/03/2007 19:58:26 Originally by: Jinnigan Edited by: Jinnigan on 06/03/2007 19:03:54 Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Translation: We want you to pay for living here, not in isk but in supplies (like there is a difference) and if any member of our alliance tells you to leave a belt because that officer just spawned, leave and let him kill it. Gotcha. This particular reply is an example of talking points #2 and #4 mentioned above. Would anyone like to try again? Basically you are saying charge you less as long as you are +5 to us. Still does not address the officer spawn or the nice roid. As far as defending, BoB tenants are not required to defend either, btw. And some allies, like FIX, pay nothing at all, unlike what Goons are proposing to their "allies." You are a funny man. Pot meet kettle. A) I am not in GoonSwarm. See my corp and alliance? B) If you are fighting a rare spawn, continue fighting it, escalate to a director, and tell the Goon you are doing so. C) If you have any brain cells, you'll notice that the FTZ agreements are for public, unaffiliated corporations and alliances. Pre-war allies (and others?) have their own agreements with GoonSwarms. Please insert two quarters to try again, sir.
hybridundertaker Amarr Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.03.07 03:41:00 - [178] I like the idea of free zones so i was exited when i saw the post. When i read a bit more i stayed exited but only from a pirate, not the freedom loving point of view... personaly i think the conditions are nice but id call it a cheap napland zone not a free zone (NBSI,no poses, posibility of farming spawns for goons, taxes in fuels). Well i guess goonies conquered the space, that is good enought so now no one can expect them to fuel all those needed poses so others can rat or mine in 0.0 either. TCF conditions seem however bit closer to free zone. Completly free zones are an utopia anyway cos who is gonna fuel poses if its all free. Few regions with npc stations were kinda free (with no larger entity rulling it) at some points but the market was null and there were so many pirates even pirates started grumbling... Im glad thou to see the honesty of the disclaimer ''the goons might or might not save you'' EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER
Double Stuff Failure Cascade	Posted - 2007.03.07 05:08:00 - [179] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Basically you are saying charge you less as long as you are +5 to us. Still does not address the officer spawn or the nice roid. As far as defending, BoB tenants are not required to defend either, btw. And some allies, like FIX, pay nothing at all, unlike what Goons are proposing to their "allies." You are a funny man. Pot meet kettle. I'm not sure what you're so upset about but Im going to try to clear up a few things that you and others are ranting about. I'm not a goonfleet offical or anything but I do know how to read for comprehension. 1) Goonfleet Standings Page Most if not all All the people listed in the alliance section pay nothing at all to Goonswarm. Thats a huge amount of people that have free access to all Goonswarm resources and stations for free. Far better than anything BoB grants its Pets. 2) its buried somewhere in this thread or maybe on scrapheap that the station tax is 5%. No docking fee. 3) also buried in this thread or on scrapheap right of refusal was explained; if you are ratting and a goon comes into system and for whatever reason you are asked to leave, you have rights to finish your spawn and tractor your cans, etc. no goon is going to follow anyone around belt to belt to OMG TAKE YOUR SPAWN, and its stupid to think so. 3a) right of refusal from what Ive gathered does not apply to mining belts at all. 4) no pos'es. this is just a safety thing as a general rule. prove yourself and Im sure exceptions are made. but from the sound of it, all the corps responding hate the idea of using fuel so I'm not sure how they would run their pos'es anyway, which leads to.. 5) OMG I HAVE TO PAY IN FUEL. I see this as just a way of seperating the freeloaders from the corps that will add value to the region. Anyone can rat 25m in little over an hour in 0.0. Its not about the ISK value. If hauling some fuel really bothers you, you're probably not cut out for 0.0 life. This is just a filter. The smart ones realize what a bargin this is and will earn ~15mil/hour on a bad day, and the not so smart ones will stay in emire earning ~3mil/day but atleast they dont have to haul a badger load of fuel I guess. Also, goons are very capitalist and I bet you can already buy all the fuel required from the same station you're supposed to deliver it too anyway. Not to mention if you're a corp looking for a niche...take the goons up on their offer, mine ICE and sell it to the other corps who cant be bothered to OMG I HAVE TO HAUL ICE?. You'll make a fortune.
Amazoph Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.08 20:40:00 - [180] Hmm... the goon hypocrispy sees no bounds How long exactly have Goons been ranting on about 'bob pets', 'bob slaves'? And now they go and do this. Cheap *****s.



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