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Isonkon Serikain Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.01 18:46:00 - [121] Originally by: Amerame Edited by: Amerame on 28/02/2007 22:17:46 As of today, 1st of March, Goonswarm stations in Scalding Pass as well as Tau Ceti Federation Stations in Wicked Creek as well as economical resources in asteroid belts are open to our allies. Anyone with a standing 5 or greater in Goonswarm or Tau Ceti Federation may trade, produce, rat and mine in those regions. Hopefully this is just a first step toward a much larger free trade zone and the end of feudalism in Eve, and it is our wish to further develop ties and mutually beneficial trading agreement with other entities in Eve. For any question regarding the free trade zone, feel free to contact : Remedial, Vile Rat, Blitter in Goonswarm or Frederik, Amerame, Latton CALLAN, Raul Necrobie in TCF Each region of the free trade zone will come with a (simple) set of rules, the current rules for WC and SP are the following : Scalding Pass 1) You cannot deploy PoS. 2) Right of Refusal : If a GoonSwarm member asks you to leave a system, you are to comply. 3) All friendlies must abide by the standings page that GoonSwarm will publish soon and not shoot other friendlies, on pain of expulsion Wicked Creek 1) You cannot deploy PoS without TCF's formal authorization. 2) SO-X5L is a TCF-only system. More regions will be made available to the free trade zone members shortly. Good luck making it work. Others failed in the long run, what makes you think you'll succeed? Wait until you're overrun by carebears who wont help defend the space. It will be prime plundering time then. Pity the fool
ROMOflaven	Posted - 2007.03.01 19:00:00 - [122] Originally by: Isonkon Serikain Good luck making it work. Others failed in the long run, what makes you think you'll succeed? Wait until you're overrun by carebears who wont help defend the space. It will be prime plundering time then. I hear you can't hunt sharks without bait. In this instance the bait gets access to Angel Rats, Countless belts of ARK, the opportunity to rent Offices and use production slots in 0.0 space for 25m worth of POS fuel a week and a 5% refine tax. Oh and they don't have to worry about anyone's safety but their own. Sounds like a great deal if you currently live in empire and can't afford billions of isk a month in rental fees.
Tetsujin Caldari Band of Brosefs	Posted - 2007.03.01 19:30:00 - [123] Originally by: Isonkon Serikain Good luck making it work. Others failed in the long run, what makes you think you'll succeed? Wait until you're overrun by carebears who wont help defend the space. It will be prime plundering time then. The territories will be defended by the coalition and primarily the sovereign alliances. There will be the same amount of defenders regardless of whether the regions are absolutely empty or crammed full of carebears. The intention is to exploit the void that would otherwise go unused, not drum up more able bodies.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.01 19:54:00 - [124] Originally by: Tetsujin Originally by: Isonkon Serikain Good luck making it work. Others failed in the long run, what makes you think you'll succeed? Wait until you're overrun by carebears who wont help defend the space. It will be prime plundering time then. The territories will be defended by the coalition and primarily the sovereign alliances. There will be the same amount of defenders regardless of whether the regions are absolutely empty or crammed full of carebears. The intention is to exploit the void that would otherwise go unused, not drum up more able bodies. Wondering what troops since you are engaged in a universe wide war atm. Oh well, in any event, this idea has been tried by larger alliances in the past (sans the fee) and pretty much failed every time. Given the fees, your proposal is no different than any of the other major alliances. Having said that, why should folks consider your space as opposed to say, D2 or BoB, etc. space?
Jon Lucien Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.03.01 19:55:00 - [125] To those who wish to whine about the technicalities of the term "Free Trade Zone". Stop it. Stop whining about it. If you're going to whine about an offer that was made because it isn't all inclusive then go away. You're unwanted anyway. To the corps that want to whine "We're too small to set standings with" go join an alliance. Or get bigger. Or stop whining. Or go away. Furthermore, to those who wish to claim that this is just propoganda, or a pet-program, or other nonsense such as that: thank you for not coming over here. I'm glad you're not here, as it leaves more belts and pew pew for me. Goons have given a decent invitation for many corps or alliances that have not had 0.0 access to get a taste of the life. Hell, maybe even get a bit of pew pew in while they're playing their carebear games.
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.01 20:23:00 - [126] Originally by: Jon Lucien To those who wish to whine about the technicalities of the term "Free Trade Zone". Stop it. Stop whining about it. If you're going to whine about an offer that was made because it isn't all inclusive then go away. You're unwanted anyway. To the corps that want to whine "We're too small to set standings with" go join an alliance. Or get bigger. Or stop whining. Or go away. Furthermore, to those who wish to claim that this is just propoganda, or a pet-program, or other nonsense such as that: thank you for not coming over here. I'm glad you're not here, as it leaves more belts and pew pew for me. Goons have given a decent invitation for many corps or alliances that have not had 0.0 access to get a taste of the life. Hell, maybe even get a bit of pew pew in while they're playing their carebear games. Dude, whatever floats your boat. -----
Armois Delgato FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 20:25:00 - [127] Originally by: Jon Lucien Furthermore, to those who wish to claim that this is just propoganda, or a pet-program, or other nonsense such as that: thank you for not coming over here. I'm glad you're not here, as it leaves more belts and pew pew for me. Goons have given a decent invitation for many corps or alliances that have not had 0.0 access to get a taste of the life. Hell, maybe even get a bit of pew pew in while they're playing their carebear games. From what I have seen of the conditions the feudal trade zone is just a modified tenacy program which places a greater workload burden on the tenants than ISK tenacy would. I wonder if this modification of the norm will work out for them, but calling it a free trade zone is a bit of a misnomer.
NeverL Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.01 21:00:00 - [128] payd a visit, was nice :D
mamolian Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 21:07:00 - [129] And so begins the start of the next cycle.. the only thing that changes is who gets the minerals from the refinery stations.. Hope to be here long enough to see how this one pans out. I'll give it.. a year max. -------------------------------
Zakalwe Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.01 21:11:00 - [130] Originally by: Amerame I'm not everyone has a clear idea of what a free trade zone is, think of it as the EU if you want. It sure doesn't mean someone outside the EU can come start working and doing business in the EU for free as it pleases them and even if you're allowed to do business in the EU you still have to pay taxes. UE is not a FTZ, stop saying bull***.... Hmmm... not in the name of my Corp/Alliance

Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.03.01 22:20:00 - [131] Originally by: Jon Lucien To those who wish to whine about the technicalities of the term "Free Trade Zone". Stop it. Stop whining about it. If you're going to whine about an offer that was made because it isn't all inclusive then go away. You're unwanted anyway. To the corps that want to whine "We're too small to set standings with" go join an alliance. Or get bigger. Or stop whining. Or go away. Furthermore, to those who wish to claim that this is just propoganda, or a pet-program, or other nonsense such as that: thank you for not coming over here. I'm glad you're not here, as it leaves more belts and pew pew for me. Goons have given a decent invitation for many corps or alliances that have not had 0.0 access to get a taste of the life. Hell, maybe even get a bit of pew pew in while they're playing their carebear games. Translation: We have a half-baked plan that's been tried and failed, or tried and amounted to not very much, or is being tried right now by plenty of other people. We're going to announce it in absurdly grandiose terms making it seem like something cool is happening, only when the details are examined it turns out to be nothing at all. We will go all emo and whiney if anyone points out the problems with either our plan or the terms we used to present it. Thanks. I'll be here all week. The veal's terrific.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.01 22:30:00 - [132] Originally by: NeverL payd a visit, was nice :D Admit it, you ninja'ed Arkanor with an Osprey ! ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Weatherman Gallente Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.01 22:54:00 - [133] Quote: A: For GS, The fee is in delivered fuel rather than isk, and approximates to a value of 25m isk per week for each 50 corp members or part thereof. So for a 1-50 member corp it's ~25m isk/week. 51-100 members and it's ~50m isk/week, etc. This is just a small contribution by the corp to help maintain the POSes that secure the stations for their use. This pales in comparison to the prices that feudal alliances such as BoB charge their vassal states, who are highly restricted in the space they have access to, and often also have to manage the POS logistics themselves as well as having an obligation to do whatever their masters call on them to do. I lol'd. It's ironic that your "Free" trade zone is probably more restricted with a higher fee for what you get than BoB space.
Katharina Gorbacheva Amarr Soviet Star Federation	Posted - 2007.03.01 23:18:00 - [134] Originally by: Zakalwe Originally by: Amerame I'm not everyone has a clear idea of what a free trade zone is, think of it as the EU if you want. It sure doesn't mean someone outside the EU can come start working and doing business in the EU for free as it pleases them and even if you're allowed to do business in the EU you still have to pay taxes. UE is not a FTZ, stop saying bull***.... The EU is more a united country than a FTZ.. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Dokter 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.01 23:23:00 - [135] Originally by: mamolian And so begins the start of the next cycle.. the only thing that changes is who gets the minerals from the refinery stations.. Hope to be here long enough to see how this one pans out. I'll give it.. a year max. Qft Goons are doing the same as BOB, D2 and any other big alliance that has to much space for there own members and want a bit of return on there assets/space. So instead of calling it Free Trade Zone, just call it a pet zone and get over it "It is a good idea to "shop around" before you settle on a doctor. He can kill you."
Isonkon Serikain Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.01 23:44:00 - [136] Edited by: Isonkon Serikain on 01/03/2007 23:46:35 Edited by: Isonkon Serikain on 01/03/2007 23:42:52 Originally by: Tetsujin Originally by: Isonkon Serikain Good luck making it work. Others failed in the long run, what makes you think you'll succeed? Wait until you're overrun by carebears who wont help defend the space. It will be prime plundering time then. The territories will be defended by the coalition and primarily the sovereign alliances. There will be the same amount of defenders regardless of whether the regions are absolutely empty or crammed full of carebears. The intention is to exploit the void that would otherwise go unused, not drum up more able bodies. That's kinda like what BOB does...Are you charging anything at all? Not even station taxes? Because unless everything is 100% free, you are a landlord like bob. I can see this coming from a 1000 miles. Welcome to 0.0 space management. This is going to be entertainment. Pity the fool
Kesc I'lde	Posted - 2007.03.01 23:56:00 - [137] Originally by: Isonkon Serikain That's kinda like what BOB does...Are you charging anything at all? Not even station taxes? Because unless everything is 100% free, you are a landlord like bob. I can see this coming from a 1000 miles. Welcome to 0.0 space management. This is going to be entertainment. Hurf Durf Blurf. All this is, let me try and dumb this down ok: People who want access to our space can get it and mine, rat, produce, do whatever they want at all, without obligations, as long as they agree not to shoot our friends while here. Obviously this is exactly what BoB does hurrr.
The Dokter 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.02 00:10:00 - [138] Edited by: The Dokter on 02/03/2007 00:08:32 Originally by: Kesc I'lde Originally by: Isonkon Serikain That's kinda like what BOB does...Are you charging anything at all? Not even station taxes? Because unless everything is 100% free, you are a landlord like bob. I can see this coming from a 1000 miles. Welcome to 0.0 space management. This is going to be entertainment. Hurf Durf Blurf. All this is, let me try and dumb this down ok: People who want access to our space can get it and mine, rat, produce, do whatever they want at all, without obligations, as long as they agree not to shoot our friends while here. Obviously this is exactly what BoB does hurrr. No they can't because they can't setup up a pos, they have too leave a system if anybdoy from goons says that and if they want too refine they need too pay taxes and if they want too own a office they have too pay rent. And even after all of this, they still need to defend them selfs. And in most alliance you actually can setup a pos, as long as you don't contest sov, so you are just another landlord So in what way is this different to being any others alliance renter? "It is a good idea to "shop around" before you settle on a doctor. He can kill you."
Heldane Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.03.02 00:48:00 - [139] I'm not sure what the purpose of the big debate is. The goons took over the space and are offering corps the opportunity to come make money in it. If you don't approve of the business model then simply don't take advantage of it. It doesn't matter if this is some revolutionary new plan or not, the facts of the agreemant are there and you either like it and become a part of it or you dislike and it and do not. I for one applaud the goons for their actions wether it was done before or not. Who cares?
Isonkon Serikain Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.02 00:57:00 - [140] Originally by: Heldane I'm not sure what the purpose of the big debate is. The goons took over the space and are offering corps the opportunity to come make money in it. If you don't approve of the business model then simply don't take advantage of it. It doesn't matter if this is some revolutionary new plan or not, the facts of the agreemant are there and you either like it and become a part of it or you dislike and it and do not. I for one applaud the goons for their actions wether it was done before or not. Who cares? You don't get the irony, do you? That's all ppl are pointing out here... No one cares that it's not original, poorly thought out, and that it will last 6 months. It's just ironic. Pity the fool

maarud Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.02 01:01:00 - [141] Originally by: Heldane I'm not sure what the purpose of the big debate is. The goons took over the space and are offering corps the opportunity to come make money in it. If you don't approve of the business model then simply don't take advantage of it. It doesn't matter if this is some revolutionary new plan or not, the facts of the agreemant are there and you either like it and become a part of it or you dislike and it and do not. I for one applaud the goons for their actions wether it was done before or not. Who cares? Its not what they are doing, its how they are going about it. Goons and .co have been harping on "bob pet's, liberate yourself, bla bla bla", etc. Now they are going to be doing the same thing and essentially have "pets", but they are trying to sell it to community as a "free trade zone", when it's exactly the opposite. Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Aaron Static Igneus Auctorita	Posted - 2007.03.02 01:11:00 - [142] Originally by: Red Gabba Originally by: The Mittani FTZ FAQ: Q: If my corp utilizes the FTZ, are there obligations to help goons defend the territory, join warfleets, etc? Can I just sit on my bum and mine all day blissfully? A: No obligation to defend, you can sit and mine all day. We have freakishly low refining taxes too! We make money off of you making money. More likely they will sit docked all day while a hostile is in local. "There problem" you might say but how do you expect people to stay in system if you will not police it? red... don't. You dont know what you're talking about so jus stay quiet :P Goons do a great job and most current tenants enjoy helping out with defense.. because Goons are a really fun bunch to fly with. - Igneus Auctorita Video -
Isonkon Serikain Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.02 01:17:00 - [143] Did someone say "tenant"? Pity the fool
Red Gabba RennTech The Guardian Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.02 01:23:00 - [144] Edited by: Red Gabba on 02/03/2007 01:23:28 Originally by: Aaron Static Originally by: Red Gabba Originally by: The Mittani FTZ FAQ: Q: If my corp utilizes the FTZ, are there obligations to help goons defend the territory, join warfleets, etc? Can I just sit on my bum and mine all day blissfully? A: No obligation to defend, you can sit and mine all day. We have freakishly low refining taxes too! We make money off of you making money. More likely they will sit docked all day while a hostile is in local. "There problem" you might say but how do you expect people to stay in system if you will not police it? red... don't. You dont know what you're talking about so jus stay quiet :P Goons do a great job and most current tenants enjoy helping out with defense.. because Goons are a really fun bunch to fly with. Hmmm i think i do know what im talking about and if i feel like asking i will, but a answer from a Goon Pet will do Aaron.. and since when do you get to tell me to stay quiet?
Bon Ali Bon's Ecological Recycling	Posted - 2007.03.02 01:28:00 - [145] Originally by: Isonkon Serikain Did someone say "tenant"? Did someone say "FIX"? ps, if you are wondering why Armois Delgato is so whinny in goonie threads all the time, check his corp history. Woops.
Zakalwe Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.02 01:33:00 - [146] Originally by: Katharina Gorbacheva Originally by: Zakalwe Originally by: Amerame I'm not everyone has a clear idea of what a free trade zone is, think of it as the EU if you want. It sure doesn't mean someone outside the EU can come start working and doing business in the EU for free as it pleases them and even if you're allowed to do business in the EU you still have to pay taxes. UE is not a FTZ, stop saying bull***.... The EU is more a united country than a FTZ.. Hmmm i dont really know what Amerame (Bitter Soul in english...) talking about when he says "EU". Does he mean Etats-Unis (USA), does he mean Europe (European Union)...? In both cases hes wrong ; USA is a state, and EU is not but it is not also a FTZ... If it was, i could get my social Insurance in Germany or Belgium : or the french state forbidden that : so it's not a FREE trade zone... Hmmm... not in the name of my Corp/Alliance
Katharina Gorbacheva Amarr Soviet Star Federation	Posted - 2007.03.02 01:50:00 - [147] Originally by: Zakalwe Hmmm i dont really know what Amerame (Bitter Soul in english...) talking about when he says "EU". Does he mean Etats-Unis (USA), does he mean Europe (European Union)...? In both cases hes wrong ; USA is a state, and EU is not but it is not also a FTZ... If it was, i could get my social Insurance in Germany or Belgium : or the french state forbidden that : so it's not a FREE trade zone... USA is not a single state, it's a collection of states, the EU is a collection of states too. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Slayton Ford Caldari Kudzu Collective	Posted - 2007.03.02 01:53:00 - [148] Originally by: Katharina Gorbacheva USA is not a single state, it's a collection of states, the EU is a collection of states too. Nope, the EU is a collection of sovereign nations. In a way, the EU is closer to the US under the Articles of Confederation rather then the Constitution. Now NAFTA provides a free trade zone between the US, Canada, and Mexico.
Jonny Damordred Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.03.02 03:50:00 - [149] Out with the old boss, in with the new... Cheers, Jonny D. -----
Vile rat GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.02 05:38:00 - [150] As has been said repetedly if your corp is +5 to us you can use our space. You may mine any rock, shoot any rat, sell or buy in our markets, put up gigantic can art of space dongs or whatever. If you are not an existing ally who has fought with us to open this space up then we ask you contribute to the project in a substantial way. What is substantial? A small amount of fuel that will be used to keep the system available. We are not asking for cash and we are not asking for more than is required to enable this project to continue (GS space as has been pointed out TCF have different rules for their space.) The cost is easilly affordable by even small corps. If you are an interested corporation I would be happy to answer all of your questions in game via Evemail. Also wow you guys are trying really hard to troll the hell out of this thread. The battlefield is over there, lets keep it there ok?



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