This nerf? Bad idea. Carriers just became useless at hitting small stuff, which makes them almost completely useless in general. No PvE for carrier pilots, and PvP is relegated to BS and below, cause there's no way they can stand up to dreads now.

Too Much Fighter nerf!

hey dreads have haw weapons.

Just remind people who ***** about "carriers shouldnt kill subcaps" of this fact and watch them shut up immediately.

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and the Svipul remains the top ship in the game for a two year period.

Too Much Fighter nerf!

The Svipul has only existed for 16 months.

give the carriers something to enable them to be called the capital. the distance of the jump? lot armor shield? dps? many drones? remove useless buttons F3. for what it's ridicule

do the developers not understand that to play in a T1 cruiser I can free the first 14 days.
why would so humiliate the ships for which it is necessary many days of subscription?

Carriers are 100% fine as they are and CCP are catering to crybabies. Not taking it back. The balance team really needs to try and embrace playstyles and philosophies that are sophisticated and complex, not nano conquers all, always.

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It's nauseating to think that carriers, which have shaken the meta and been as brisk, enervating, and effervescent as a good breath mint are being tossed in the rubbish bin, but the Svipul, which has had a far greater, sustained effect on ruining diversity and the meta, is unchallenged, and unchanged. EvE is largely fun due to the depth and breath of the ships in the game: gutting carriers like this is basically draining the lake of the rich pvp ecosystem, and replacing it with a toxic svipul factory.

Grrr balance.

Stuff and things

I know your post was some time ago but please bear with me.

This is bad reasoning. If carriers are supposed to be anti-fighter crafts, how would they be able to hit fighters at all if (in your opinion) they should just be able to hit slow moving battleships?
You are contradicting yourself.

solopwnmobiles generally win vs equal firepower.

and an isd removed a post when i pointed this out(lol), but HAW weapons and light fighters are indeed meant to combat subcaps. Period. That is their sole reason for existence (and sorry mr isd for pointing this out again, but it's the blooming truth).


PS tldr; HAW weapons are made for smaller targets. So are light fighters. They are easily countered by minimal effort and that's something that shouldn't be bitched into nerfs, but played around like every other tactic

HAWs are a lot easier to counter, and have a lot more counters, than Light Fighters nuking small ships off the grid easily and effortlessly.

If you don't want posts getting removed then read and apply the forum rules...

Too Much Fighter nerf!

Not even days - you need MONTHS to fly capital class ship....

His English seems a bit wacky, but I think that's precisely what he's trying to convey. Also, without diving into EvEmon to check for exact numbers, I'm pretty sure you'd need more than one full year to adequately fly a carrier. Drone support skills are a bugger, and there's a lot of them, and they're time-consuming.

Quote was removed for "negative rant" because i said haw weapons were designed for subcaps. Indeed....They were designed for subcaps Deal with it.

Watch any pvp video on youtube over the past month involving carriers vs subcaps. Only the forum whiners somehow lost where everyone else stomped them by obliterating the fighters with minimal losses.

My point was, HAW weapons are for subcaps. Light fighters are for subcaps. Reg capital guns are for caps. Heavy fighters are for caps. Is that really that hard to comprehend? I know you want to defend your point while blindly ignoring any and all experience of others, but you cannot deny the core structure of these modules and fighters

Not even days - you need MONTHS to fly capital class ship....

The ISD don't remove posts for content, if they did this thread would be three pages long. In short it wasn't what you said it was how you said it...

PvP videos on Youtube aren't a particularly good source for anything, because people rarely post losses or bad fights, they post things that will look impressive, attract views, or make them look good.

I'm not denying anything, Light Fighters are still clearly an anti-Subcap weapon, they just don't nuke Cruisers and smaller off the field instantly before they can respond now, the same as HAWs. As you yourself have pointed out, no one is complaining about HAWs and I don't see anyone saying they're worthless either.