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ShadowOzera1
Fweddit White Legion.
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Posted - 2016.06.10 13:45:28 -
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I love you Larriken |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
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Posted - 2016.06.10 13:48:24 -
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Jones Beach wrote: Carriers being killed by blops all day long. And this is after carriers were buffed and before the current proposed changes. Not sure what the problem is. Carriers are killable if you know what you are doing.
More like if the carrier pilot is a dumbass ******, as that guy obviously was.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
264
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Posted - 2016.06.10 13:48:25 -
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CCPls stop hiring people who can't operate a fitting tool. |
SoraXIII
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2016.06.10 13:51:08 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:Bastion Module now gives ECM Immunity
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you |
NaK'Lin
Calamitous-Intent Feign Disorder
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Posted - 2016.06.10 13:53:14 -
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Empress Honeybadger wrote:Because you never drop on solo carriers with a small fleet and I drop on them everyday.
I would expect more accuracy from your posting then, please. in order to get a proper discussion forward, we shall stop having falso *FACTS* thrown around. when you Jam a fighter, it stops attacking as its targets drop to zero. When you jam the carrier, the fighter will continue to attack its current target, because it has its own targeting (duh). The fact that you didn't test out more carrier mechanics makes me worried on the "arguments" you're bringing forward. In case you don't believe me, I'm gladly available now and for the next few hours. Please contact me via PM and i will set-up a short session on SiSi with you to prove my point and then we can go on this discussion here without any further misconceptions.
Reminds me of the famous people on reddit complaining tyhat their 9km/s maledictions were being blapped by carriers all the time.
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NaK'Lin
Calamitous-Intent Feign Disorder
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Posted - 2016.06.10 13:54:15 -
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Jones Beach wrote:Empress Honeybadger wrote:CyberRaver wrote:
Considering the hull and armour jump its a viable comparison, also the role is different for each one, a BLOPS is not meant to be a forward ship of the line, a HAC is Your problem for using the ship for a purpose beyond its design
You are just mad they arent a free kill any more
Pick your targets better or git gud scrub
There is no point talking to you. Nullbear tells me what blopses are meant for. Its not like we are dropping blopses in fleet fights. A single pve ship 1 level larger. You ask us to drop carriers in your system to kill your pve ships. Make nullbearing %100 safe and rot in your ******* empty systems and game. IDK how many times I have seen tishu hotdroppers killing goon carriers posted on reddit. Its official you are the new CFC lol. https://zkillboard.com/kill/54468803/ Carriers being killed by blops all day long. And this is after carriers were buffed and before the current proposed changes. Not sure what the problem is. Carriers are killable if you know what you are doing. She wants them to be killable by 2-3 Blops..... |
Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
281
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Posted - 2016.06.10 13:56:10 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:Force Auxiliaries- Triage Mode now gives ECM Immunity
Dreadnoughts- Siege Mode now gives ECM Immunity
What is the reasoning behind this? I mean, I dont mind it one way or another, I just dont understand what does it change? |
NaK'Lin
Calamitous-Intent Feign Disorder
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Posted - 2016.06.10 13:56:28 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:It was not about jamming carrier, but fighters. Griffin could jam all carrier fighters. CCP simply want to people keep in cruisers. Who would ever start to play eve to fly something more just a frigate or cruiser hull. Griffin will die a horrible death if there's a single piloting mistake. That's of course assuming a carrier pilot who has adapted to the new meta and pilots his fighters in order to juke the griffin. It was a fun game of piloting and reaction between the griffin and the carrier pilot manually moving his fighters around on grid. RIP skill based gameplay. |
Archeras Umangiar
CRY.NET Nihilists Social Club
98
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Posted - 2016.06.10 13:58:26 -
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When pressing F3 and having in example 3 light fighters with the salvo and 2 long range heavy fighters with the bomb launcher, can we get only the salvo OR the bombs to launch? (maybe bombs to F4? or manual? or atleast have them simply not trigger the UI in lowsec to start with) |
Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2016.06.10 13:58:58 -
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Skia Aumer wrote:CyberRaver wrote:Carriers wwere a free lunch before patch, they arent now, thats basicly it Tishu guy defends ratting carriers. Priceless. This ship class deserved to be something else than bloob boat, and ratting ship. NSA needed a change, but instead of cutting boost carrier could just be blocked from using sensor booster and NSA in the same time.
We tested 2 carriers VS mothership - and carriers where able to kill fighter bombers fast enough to not die. This will be probably no longer possible - as you will be not able to lock them on time.
Boosting signature of fighters is not the solution.
More nerfs to carriers are expected as damage amplification will be changed. What is wrong in 2-3k dps CAPITAL ship? This dps is equal to 2 rattlesnakes/ machariels / vindicators or even Talos. All fitted in the same way - no tank.
Stop discrimination, help in a fight against terrorists
Show your support to The Cause!
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Anthar Thebess
1537
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Posted - 2016.06.10 14:00:35 -
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NaK'Lin wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:It was not about jamming carrier, but fighters. Griffin could jam all carrier fighters. CCP simply want to people keep in cruisers. Who would ever start to play eve to fly something more just a frigate or cruiser hull. Griffin will die a horrible death if there's a single piloting mistake. That's of course assuming a carrier pilot who has adapted to the new meta and pilots his fighters in order to juke the griffin. It was a fun game of piloting and reaction between the griffin and the carrier pilot manually moving his fighters around on grid. RIP skill based gameplay.
Griffin is just example. 2mil ship requiring no skills that can disable ship you need to train over a year to properly fly it. When you use balckbird you can jam fighters before they get close to you.
Skia Aumer wrote:CCP Larrikin wrote:Force Auxiliaries- Triage Mode now gives ECM Immunity
Dreadnoughts- Siege Mode now gives ECM Immunity
What is the reasoning behind this? I mean, I dont mind it one way or another, I just dont understand what does it change?
Wrong people where dying?
Stop discrimination, help in a fight against terrorists
Show your support to The Cause!
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NaK'Lin
Calamitous-Intent Feign Disorder
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Posted - 2016.06.10 14:00:56 -
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Archeras Umangiar wrote:When pressing F3 and having in example 3 light fighters with the salvo and 2 long range heavy fighters with the bomb launcher, can we get only the salvo OR the bombs to launch? (maybe bombs to F4? or manual? or atleast have them simply not trigger the UI in lowsec to start with) Wouldn't it be nice to assign control groups to fighter slots like in an RTS so you could recall them with a hotkey? or each slot being able to be hot-keyed in the UI. would make piloting these things in space something that non-koreans can finally do, too. |
Jones Beach
Central Co-Prosperity Union
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Posted - 2016.06.10 14:05:57 -
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NaK'Lin wrote:Jones Beach wrote:Empress Honeybadger wrote:CyberRaver wrote:
Considering the hull and armour jump its a viable comparison, also the role is different for each one, a BLOPS is not meant to be a forward ship of the line, a HAC is Your problem for using the ship for a purpose beyond its design
You are just mad they arent a free kill any more
Pick your targets better or git gud scrub
There is no point talking to you. Nullbear tells me what blopses are meant for. Its not like we are dropping blopses in fleet fights. A single pve ship 1 level larger. You ask us to drop carriers in your system to kill your pve ships. Make nullbearing %100 safe and rot in your ******* empty systems and game. IDK how many times I have seen tishu hotdroppers killing goon carriers posted on reddit. Its official you are the new CFC lol. https://zkillboard.com/kill/54468803/ Carriers being killed by blops all day long. And this is after carriers were buffed and before the current proposed changes. Not sure what the problem is. Carriers are killable if you know what you are doing. She wants them to be killable by 2-3 Blops.....
Blops are essentially paper thin at least compared to other bs. If carriers were so op with insta locking and massive alpha you would think that they could at least kill one or two of them when dropped - yet when H3, wrecking crew and the arton boys drop on carriers in provi/catch - they never lose anything - thats why they bring widows. As far as I'm concerned everything is balanced - it just requires bringing the right tools to do the job.
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Listrentite
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.06.10 14:06:49 -
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Zari Tenjin wrote:
So there will absolutely no way to counter caps without fielding your own? FAX cap is ridiculous enough that neutlegions are not a thing anymore in low class vs. C5/C6WH warfare. Now the last possibility of maybe hoping for a jam is also gone.
Congrats to HK and friends field a single FAX and you've won. Enjoy fighting among yourselves, looks like we're out of the game.
To CCP: Nice 180 from 'we want more Caps to die' to making them immune untouchable by subcaps again
I think you're looking at this the wrong way.
For a smaller group to fight a larger entity in a wormhole, triage is almost essential. A group such as HK can field more than enough guardians while you doing the same would restrict the numbers for the rest your fleet. With no ECM immunity, the larger entity simply fields jams for your triage and you've instantly lost. This allows smaller entities to take more engagements.
Also: Bhaalgorn. |
EvilweaselFinance
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
836
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Posted - 2016.06.10 14:06:52 -
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I mean generally, there's no reason to restore the ECM immunity to siege or bastion mode either. That was a good change that made the game more interesting and stopped people from entirely shutting down an important aspect of combat. I don't understand why you would instantly revert that change without letting it play out, while leaving in things that are obviously unbalanced for years that PL and other ~elite~ groups aren't complaining about.
Capitals were rebalanced to be better at killing subcaps, and part of that change was they became more vulnerable to subcaps. Now, suddenly, they're losing that downside and keeping the upside. That seems like a dumb design decision, and if you want to go that direction then HAWs and light fighters should get nerfed into the ground as well.
Listrentite wrote: For a smaller group to fight a larger entity in a wormhole, triage is almost essential. A group such as HK can field more than enough guardians while you doing the same would restrict the numbers for the rest your fleet. With no ECM immunity, the larger entity simply fields jams for your triage and you've instantly lost. This allows smaller entities to take more engagements.
Triage gave you a significant boost to ECM resistance. It wasn't like a single falcon could jam a FAX: you need a LOT of ecm to do it. If you have that much ECM, then you have sacrificed a lot of dps. If you've forced the hostile fleet to bring enough ECM you can't effectively triage then you're already significantly ahead. |
NaK'Lin
Calamitous-Intent Feign Disorder
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Posted - 2016.06.10 14:09:01 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:NaK'Lin wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:It was not about jamming carrier, but fighters. Griffin could jam all carrier fighters. CCP simply want to people keep in cruisers. Who would ever start to play eve to fly something more just a frigate or cruiser hull. Griffin will die a horrible death if there's a single piloting mistake. That's of course assuming a carrier pilot who has adapted to the new meta and pilots his fighters in order to juke the griffin. It was a fun game of piloting and reaction between the griffin and the carrier pilot manually moving his fighters around on grid. RIP skill based gameplay. Griffin is just example. 2mil ship requiring no skills that can disable ship you need to train over a year to properly fly it. When you use balckbird you can jam fighters before they get close to you. Skia Aumer wrote:CCP Larrikin wrote:Force Auxiliaries- Triage Mode now gives ECM Immunity
Dreadnoughts- Siege Mode now gives ECM Immunity
What is the reasoning behind this? I mean, I dont mind it one way or another, I just dont understand what does it change? Wrong people where dying?
Agreed on your second part of the post. First part, i've seen blackbirds / Rooks use their jams too early in falloff, missing the cycle and get hurt hard. But yes, the ECM cruiser is the actual answer to screwing over a carrier. 1:1 numbers, though, still not a guaranteed win. 2:1 carrier / ECM cruiser ratio it gets iffy. 2:2 ratio, still iffy on the jam coordination for many people. On paper, sure, but it requires coordination and good teamwork. and I am fine with that tradeoff. your Carrier shouldn't be entirely without subcap support.
Don't get me wrong, I fly carriers. More than the next guy. But i play them on both sides of the spectrum, and they aren't the helpless victims anymore and they weren't bloody magical i-win buttons of grid-wiping either, like so many would like you to believe. |
theelusiveyoda
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.06.10 14:09:06 -
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Please give the avatar more base cpu, and also you will need to add more powergrid to the naglfar :P |
Cala Wrynn
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.06.10 14:10:02 -
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I'm happy with the dread and fax ecm immunity, being jammed in your dread by a set of ec-300's is pretty devastating...
While I don't believe that carriers need nerfs, they are truely great where they are atm, the 900% down to 500% IS something I can deal with. I would just hate that you are making this change because small nano kitey **** is getting killed and complaining they have no tank. Whats really REALLLLLY worrying me here is the sidenote you leave at the end about carrier application and alpha.
LEAVE THAT ALONE. They are meant to apply beautifully to everything and yes have a shitton of alpha. It's your main anti-subcap platform that takes years to train up for properly. No your kitey nano orthrus should NOT be able to tank it. Get a properly tanked BS to tank that **** like you should.
Sidenote: I would really like bastion weapons timer removed when in WH's or reworked. It is exceptionally harder now to run sites and refit now they bastion causes weapons timer which means we cannot refit modules. |
Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
180
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Posted - 2016.06.10 14:13:05 -
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Zari Tenjin wrote:So there will absolutely no way to counter caps without fielding your own? FAX cap is ridiculous enough that neutlegions are not a thing anymore in low class vs. C5/C6WH warfare. Now the last possibility of maybe hoping for a jam is also gone. ...
To CCP: Nice 180 from 'we want more Caps to die' to making them immune untouchable by subcaps again
Without the angryness, this is actually a problem. Capitaladvantage in wormholes was always strong if people know what they were doing. Ofc very few did. Neuts were the way to fight triage, now it was ecm for a short time. |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
619
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Posted - 2016.06.10 14:13:07 -
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Aebe Amraen wrote:Can we talk about the fact that XL Arty has the same PG requirements as XL Beam lasers, while the Revelation has 70% more PG available than the Nag? This worked when the Nag only needed to fit two turrets, but it's unreasonable when we have to fit 3.
The nag either needs more PG or XL arty needs lower PG requirements.
something something PG?
Black Fox Marauders is Recruiting
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NaK'Lin
Calamitous-Intent Feign Disorder
58
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Posted - 2016.06.10 14:15:09 -
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Cala Wrynn wrote:I'm happy with the dread and fax ecm immunity, being jammed in your dread by a set of ec-300's is pretty devastating...
You've got a utility high, you know.... *hint hint* |
Retar Aveymone
DJ's Retirement Fund Goonswarm Federation
1026
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Posted - 2016.06.10 14:18:56 -
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Shilalasar wrote: Without the angryness, this is actually a problem. Capitaladvantage in wormholes was always strong if people know what they were doing. Ofc very few did. Neuts were the way to fight triage, now it was ecm for a short time.
yeah sorry this is our fault
we jammed pl entosis faxes which drove them absolutely batty so they've been screaming to have their caps immune to such nonsense as ecm because its unfair that subcaps could affect their capitals
frankly im surprised they didn't also add immunity to projectile weapons to triage |
Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
281
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Posted - 2016.06.10 14:19:31 -
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Cala Wrynn wrote:I'm happy with the dread and fax ecm immunity, being jammed in your dread by a set of ec-300's is pretty devastating... And being jammed by the same EC-300 in a freaking Titan is not a big deal? |
Scotsman Howard
S0utherN Comfort Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.06.10 14:21:15 -
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Aebe Amraen wrote:Scotsman Howard wrote:Now it remains to be seen what you will do about the damage bonus. I said it would be changed to compensate (something like +33%) and keep the DPS the same, but that does not look like it will happen. 3 guns with no damage bonus does exactly the same DPS as the old 2 guns with 50% damage bonus. Please either learn to do basic arithmetic or post on an out-of-alliance alt, you're embarrassing us.
The math is the same yes, but that assumes the same fitting. With the current fitting needs to 3 guns, any fit is going to need to be rethought which could result in a decrease in DPS. That is why if you were to look at my statement as a whole instead of quoting just the last portion, you would have seen the first part I addressed was the fitting requirements.
Man, I am SOOO sorry I embarrassed you (I hardly doubt Test itself is embarrassed by a comment on the forums and if so, it is not the one you referenced). Now had you asked me to clarify my statement, I would have happily done that. No need to bash an alliance mate or anyone on the forums, but I understand why you did it. We all know that a forum post (if gone unanswered or not acknowledged in anyway) will bring about the end of any alliance. |
NaK'Lin
Calamitous-Intent Feign Disorder
59
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Posted - 2016.06.10 14:23:57 -
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Skia Aumer wrote:Cala Wrynn wrote:I'm happy with the dread and fax ecm immunity, being jammed in your dread by a set of ec-300's is pretty devastating... And being jammed by the same EC-300 in a freaking Titan is not a big deal? You must be new here. Rebalancing here means only to look at things people cry the most and the loudest about and then appease them by making random *balancing* choices without giving reasons. /end sarcasm
I would like to see Dev posts in the future list the changes and the reasons for them (eg: Added ECM immunity, because .... ; Decreased scanres on NSA, because .....) It is more easy to follow their train of thought for the player base and easier to spot fallacies. |
Retar Aveymone
DJ's Retirement Fund Goonswarm Federation
1026
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Posted - 2016.06.10 14:28:26 -
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Skia Aumer wrote:Cala Wrynn wrote:I'm happy with the dread and fax ecm immunity, being jammed in your dread by a set of ec-300's is pretty devastating... And being jammed by the same EC-300 in a freaking Titan is not a big deal? i mean it's vanishingly unlikely a single flight of ec-300s jams a dread in siege anyway, the strong ecm resistance siege/triage adds means if you want to ecm, you gotta do a lot of it |
Gabriel Luis
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society Psychotic Tendencies.
14
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Posted - 2016.06.10 14:30:56 -
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Adding extra CPU but no power grid for the 3rd gun is a mistake.
80-100k should do.
[03:18:54] Zack1023 > tishu = pl, nc.
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unidenify
Plundering Penguins Solyaris Chtonium
182
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Posted - 2016.06.10 15:05:35 -
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no word about T1 siege module give smaller dps boost to Phoenix when compare to Turret dread? |
Gremk
The Red Island Foundation Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2016.06.10 15:14:33 -
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CCP, please really think about some of these changes.
The biggest points I see are the obvious fitting to compensate for nags. I will 100% self destruct on the undock for insurance if something isn't done because currently it will place the nag far behind all other dreads for fitting/tank. Already with this patch you are killing a lot of the utility that it has had - not saying it wasn't needed though.
Please tread carefully on the fighter changes. Carriers have always been able to blap frigates and other light tackle with a set of lights + drone navigation computers. If you nerf fighter tracking too hard there will be no way to kill light tackle on a carrier and a single atron can perma hold a carrier. If you want to look to balance carriers dps focus on giving the missile salvos more ammo before reload, faster rof, and less volley so that it balances out and spreads the damage out while taking the same amount of time to reload. |
Daksa Crendraven
Imperial Guardians I N G L O R I O U S
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Posted - 2016.06.10 15:17:09 -
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There must be something to complain about here, said the community to CCP, There's too much confusion: I can't get no relief. Oh dev men GÇô they nerf my ride! Pushing me hardly to my next gank, None of them along the line, Knowing what any of it is worth."
"No reason to get excited, " CCP Larrikin GÇô kindly spoke, "There are many here among us Who feel that a cap is but a joke But you and I we've been through that And this is not our fate So let us not talk falsely now The hour's getting late."
All along the Eve Online Forums!
Even the Goons kept their view, While all the newbros came and went, Care-bears servants too! Outside in the cold empty space, A wild cap did growl, Two skilled campers were approaching, And their scramz, began to howl, HEY!
https://youtu.be/TLV4_xaYynY
Looking forward to see more about this June changelog, thanks! |
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