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Freddy Jnr The Wailing Doom	Posted - 2007.03.04 22:44:00 - [151] No. I'm laughing too. Not to go into detail but justice has been done here Quote: Ill be taking my 3 accounts and leaving eve if this doesnt get fixed and within some decent time Don't cry.
Nymos Fimbulvintr	Posted - 2007.03.04 22:55:00 - [152] Originally by: RtoZ Edited by: RtoZ on 04/03/2007 22:04:16 I've usually seen both gist and pith at similar prices. But you know I'm right if you think about it. The last level of Angel Extravaganza hits you for over 1000dps, and even with a permaboost setup you cannot tank that much damage solo, even if you're boosting 1k every 4 seconds. You can't kill enough hostiles to hold on either, which is why you have to do the mission in two or three warp outs. Sure, the dude is a novice and paid for his stuff with RL money, but that dosen't alter the fact that it's still impossible to make an invulnerable mission running config, so give the dude some slack, especially in face of the bugs everyone posting on this thread know exist in the game. Let him whine, it's justified. I boost 1200+, and I can't hold Angels Extravaganza level six without a warp out with a ship 1b isk better equipped than the OP on full boost, and it can boost 30k hitpoints with full capacitance before it finally runs out (3 t1 ccc rigs). With lag the easier missions become killers, so I know the OP, even if he is noobish, isn't being a pushover. Gamecode most likely screwed him over, has happened to me 3 times with normal ravens. it is possible to do angel extra solo, i did it twice today. cap goes down to about one third lowest. the battlecruisers and destroyers add insane dps. but i use a gist-x xl boost, estamel amp and 3 pith-x hardeners, 1 dread invul. resists >> boost especially with less cap on the gist sb. i'm pretty sure one day i'll lose it to lag too and cry for a week hehe. don't think i would replace it. i'd rather get a drake and rat in 0.0 for just 100m. --
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.03.04 23:12:00 - [153] I still don't understand how Quote: You have a 2b isk CNR and a NH and you cant tank a L4 mission? WTF? I mean honestly. What lvl 4 mission would even have you aligning, at half shields, knowing that your tank wouldn't hold with a CNR AND a nighthawk? How fast are they chewing up your 2 billion isk tank? Why is your tank setup so bad? My 250 million isk raven rarely has to warp out, and at half shields I suspect I'd have enough time to log out and log back in before most missions blew me up. And that's with less skills I'm sure. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - - "186,282 miles per second; It's not just a good idea, it's the law."
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.03.04 23:29:00 - [154] Originally by: Nathan Rees ive spent over 800hours logged into this game and for the most part it has been a decent game. Its not like im a NUB with no skills.. but when your mods wont even activate due to lag.. there is a serious prollem. Says the guy who sells GTCs like hot butter (just checked your recent post history), and just bought a 500 mil Gist C-Type XL booster (same resource) ? So, first off, you're mission-running in a laggy system, you have a CNR with a faction booster and a NH, you NOTICE that it's laggy, you STILL take your chances and fail to bail out when things head south. Second, WHAT damn modules DIDN'T activate "due to lag" ? It certainly couldn't have been the hardners or the booster, I mean damn it, you should be able perma-tank with it already, so the only other "problem" would have been the weapons. So, maybe, just maybe were you per chance SCRAMBLED and that's why you couldn't warp out ? Third, what mission were you running anyway ? Short of Enemies Abound 1/5 or 5/5 (or a badly aggroed Blockade), I can't think of ANY mission that could do what you just described to a CNR and a NH, unless the pilots tweaked their ships for maximum damage instead of maximum tank. To put it in different words... you WERE flying a ship you CAN'T afford to lose in a situation you KNEW you have good chances to lose it, and then you come here whining you don't even want to TRY to petition but just cancel three subscriptions ? Good riddance, and I DON'T even want your stuff. _ MySkills \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Asmodi Mhul Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Operative Networks	Posted - 2007.03.04 23:38:00 - [155] Originally by: Akita T Third, what mission were you running anyway ? Short of Enemies Abound 1/5 or 5/5 (or a badly aggroed Blockade), I can't think of ANY mission that could do what you just described to a CNR and a NH, unless the pilots tweaked their ships for maximum damage instead of maximum tank. Reading comprehension is your friend He was running Enemies abound 5/5...
RtoZ	Posted - 2007.03.04 23:42:00 - [156] It's possible to do ALL level 4 missions solo, but some of them cannot be tanked solo without warping out, well, at least not with the OP's budget, which is what most people don't seem to understand. And it dosen't matter if you have two players, the mission will only aggro one at a time. Just one more thing I feel I have to say in this thread: It's not that I care about the OP's plight, its that people are trying to make him a noob for a situation which happens all too often in eve and results from bad code. You are all shooting yourself in the foot for not positioning yourselves as consumers and asking for better development support, which is the correct thing to do in lag loss situations, be it in PVE, PVP or even industry and trade. WHO it happens to is irrelevant.
Ygar Curele Minmatar Ascent of Ages	Posted - 2007.03.04 23:54:00 - [157] Originally by: Ionia 4. Where exactly will you be taking your 3 accounts? I dont believe they are transferrable to other games. You haven't heard? Blizzard and CCP have started a new service! It's gonna be great! I'm gonna fit my lvl 70 warlock with 720mm II's, and a domi webber, watchin all those mounts gettin instapopped at 14km!
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.03.05 00:01:00 - [158] Originally by: Asmodi Mhul Reading comprehension is your friend He was running Enemies abound 5/5... More like "reading patience". HE didn't say that in here, somebody else who convoed him said that. Only looked at HIS message history, and his last post was on page #1. Still, doesn't change the fact that he should have seen that coming. I was in the EXACT same situation, and it was in Saila before the "Laah bypass", and you know how laggy that system is. The difference was that I was flying a Drake with T1 hardners, and my friend (who got the mission and needed assistance) was flying a regular brand Raven. I was the primary tank and responsable for cruiser-sized and below, while the corp mate was obviously supposed to go for the battleships first. We noticed the lag was horrific, we KNEW we could lose our ships, we weren't even THINKING of asking for reimbursement if we would have lost them, and we weren't even considering "quitting" if we would have lost them. We had done the mission several times before, and we usually managed to destroy each wave BEFORE the next one arrived, or be almost done with the killing. My tank started to break when the third wave arrived and we had barely destroyed the first wave and a couple from the second wave due to launcher activation lag. I had switched already to FoFs so I wouldn't have to manually reactivate/switch targets, but corp mate had siege launchers so he was pretty much doomed to just sit and wait for launchers to activate. We warped out, warped back in and tried to do more damage, but as the fourth wave arrived we were forced to admit we have absolutely no chance "today" and "with this lag", so we came back later, AFTER downtime, when lag was no longer so horrific. No matter how you put it, it's pilot error. You DON'T do a mission you know CAN break your tank WHEN it's laggy as hell, unless you don't care about losing it. _ MySkills \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Nero Ya'ng Caldari YaFa Empires	Posted - 2007.03.05 07:09:00 - [159] just close the Petition and spend another 270$ on GTC's LOL thats the problem when you buy to much ISK for $. you can buy thing you ansolutley have no clue how to handle it. First i feeled with you, darn 2.7b, thats alot of mission running and mining. but in ur case, i dont feel with you, you just have to spend another 270$. whats the problem? thats the reason why its stupid to spend that much $ on virtual items that can get blown up. just accept it, you got pwned by NPC rats. and the rats didnt sell 18 GTC's lol
Crydawner	Posted - 2007.03.05 07:14:00 - [160] Originally by: RtoZ It's possible to do ALL level 4 missions solo, but some of them cannot be tanked solo without warping out, well, at least not with the OP's budget, which is what most people don't seem to understand. And it dosen't matter if you have two players, the mission will only aggro one at a time. Just one more thing I feel I have to say in this thread: It's not that I care about the OP's plight, its that people are trying to make him a noob for a situation which happens all too often in eve and results from bad code. You are all shooting yourself in the foot for not positioning yourselves as consumers and asking for better development support, which is the correct thing to do in lag loss situations, be it in PVE, PVP or even industry and trade. WHO it happens to is irrelevant. very well put sir.
Hephaesteus Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.05 09:23:00 - [161] Originally by: RtoZ Hephaesteus: You can permaboost, but even a permaboost setup has a maximum damage threshold. Basically a permaboost means you get allmost 1k of your shield back every 4 seconds, which is a recharge rate on steroids. But if the damage is over your recharge you're still gonna die. If you doubt me take a permaboost ship into a fleet op and watch it instapop like anything else Nothing lasts in fleet ops when you are called primary. Not had a mission overhaul my tank though, even had full aggro from worlds collide serpentis room with no problems. Don't have problems tanking Angels because the Raven has high natural resists to explosive. Ye i'm a smug git ----------------------------------------------- Knowing all, when all is unknown.
Wild Rho Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2007.03.05 09:25:00 - [162] Saying "I'm leaving and taking all X of my accounts with me" is the most overused and pointless threat you can ever make.
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.05 09:58:00 - [163] Of course, this just reinforces Oveur's blog about moving the harder lvl 4's to lvl 5. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Spix 'UK	Posted - 2007.03.05 10:17:00 - [164] HAHA am sorry but thats just so funny .. that the guy got a faction fitted CNR with Game time codes.. dam that hurts.. perhaps if you got ur isk doin level 4s.. instead of just skill training & throwin real life money at it - you would of lived more.. anyone who spends that amount of real life money & dies to NPC's is just funny . la call it a troll.. Am sat here with 2 faction hybird Battleships faction fitted.. & only used 6 game time cards.. to which both extend the 2 of my accounts . Really who plays eve with just 1 account these days? :)
kill0rbunny Chimera Intelligence Agency	Posted - 2007.03.05 10:19:00 - [165] ****, my boss nearly noticed I'm reading the forums again at work, because I nearly wetted my pants laughing about such a nublet. Hmmm I'm running my Level 4s in a tech II fitted Drake while watching tv and pressing the F-Keys sometimes. Nice to see that isk doen't make a noob win eve. Maybe pay some mercs to kill your mission npcs? Killboard
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.03.05 10:21:00 - [166] Originally by: Spix 'UK HAHA am sorry but thats just so funny .. that the guy got a faction fitted CNR with Game time codes.. dam that hurts.. perhaps if you got ur isk doin level 4s.. instead of just skill training & throwin real life money at it - you would of lived more.. anyone who spends that amount of real life money & dies to NPC's is just funny . la call it a troll.. Am sat here with 2 faction hybird Battleships faction fitted.. & only used 6 game time cards.. to which both extend the 2 of my accounts . Really who plays eve with just 1 account these days? :) agree with u i do, using GTC for ingame items bad it is, that teach u to use RL $$$ for buying items it does, CCP please continue to have a laggy mission setup u must, to OP haha please play wow u do.
IronDuchess	Posted - 2007.03.05 10:41:00 - [167] Originally by: Nathan Rees So im in a LvL 4 mission in my CNR and rocking along just fine..... When i see that my tank isnt going to hold ....., i warp with over half shield left. An enourmous lag spike hits me ... sit there with our ships saying warping while we get pounded to dust gosh, that doesnt sound good, seeing your ship losing shield whilst your tank on a 2 bill sik ship is running ....... I feel sorry for you man. Originally by: Nathan Rees hence the lag tasticness of it all.. modules wouldnt even activate.. just sat there and died.. and in my turn is fine.. but several months after posting my last petition.. it still hasnt even been responded to so i think i have reason to *****Rolling Eyes Oh but wait .... your modules wouldnt activate and thats why your ship died? But hang on a sec you said your tank was breaking, it has to be already running to break. No Nathan it is us rolling our eyes at you sounds like you made a few mistakes, the biggest one was not gettign your story straight before you came on eve-o to cry about it.
Misanth	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:35:00 - [168] I think one of the basic lessons in the tutorial is "don't fly a ship you can't afford to lose", if it's not there it's at least in one of the newbie guides I read when starting this game. You lost alot of money but lag happens to everyone, in every game.. would think you'd had lost alot of ships on your way to the one you used. Should have enough experience to know that the same thing will happened to you again. And again. Don't mean to ***** but your post look like whining as it's the same even for a new player. Just another dimension/scale on money. "don't fly a ship you can't afford to lose"
Saltire System-Lords E N I G M A	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:02:00 - [169] I hope you get your cnr back so i can kill you when your precious level 4's get moved to lowsec, you whining lump of mission running trash. SALTIRE : the most loved, feared and respected pvper and pirate in eve history.
Ghan Tylous Caldari The Graduates Ivy League	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:08:00 - [170] Originally by: Saltire I hope you get your cnr back so i can kill you when your precious level 4's get moved to lowsec, you whining lump of mission running trash. wow, hostile attitude Got too much Quafe huh? And you get lvl 5s in low sec, you should be happy --- It have always fallen to a few to sacrifice for the good of many
d026 WIPE INC	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:09:00 - [171] Originally by: Nymos Originally by: RtoZ Edited by: RtoZ on 04/03/2007 22:04:16 I've usually seen both gist and pith at similar prices. But you know I'm right if you think about it. The last level of Angel Extravaganza hits you for over 1000dps, and even with a permaboost setup you cannot tank that much damage solo, even if you're boosting 1k every 4 seconds. You can't kill enough hostiles to hold on either, which is why you have to do the mission in two or three warp outs. Sure, the dude is a novice and paid for his stuff with RL money, but that dosen't alter the fact that it's still impossible to make an invulnerable mission running config, so give the dude some slack, especially in face of the bugs everyone posting on this thread know exist in the game. Let him whine, it's justified. I boost 1200+, and I can't hold Angels Extravaganza level six without a warp out with a ship 1b isk better equipped than the OP on full boost, and it can boost 30k hitpoints with full capacitance before it finally runs out (3 t1 ccc rigs). With lag the easier missions become killers, so I know the OP, even if he is noobish, isn't being a pushover. Gamecode most likely screwed him over, has happened to me 3 times with normal ravens. it is possible to do angel extra solo, i did it twice today. cap goes down to about one third lowest. the battlecruisers and destroyers add insane dps. but i use a gist-x xl boost, estamel amp and 3 pith-x hardeners, 1 dread invul. resists >> boost especially with less cap on the gist sb. i'm pretty sure one day i'll lose it to lag too and cry for a week hehe. don't think i would replace it. i'd rather get a drake and rat in 0.0 for just 100m. im doing it with a lil les expensive setup, 2x dg invul, pith x explo (i think), 1 pdu II, 1 cap recharge rig, 1 c-type xl booster. cap and shield never drops below arround 70%. the trick is to kill the webbers asap while flying away from the mob. with my 143m/s they never seem to come into my range bevore they are death.. so not much dps at all..
Thundercat Doom Minmatar Melissa Jumpclones INC	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:33:00 - [172] Lol, you have to warp out on a level 4 mission in a CNR? That is kinda funny since I don't have to warp out on any level 4 missions in my standard Raven. And I don't even need help. -------------------- -------------------- Flamers are Lamers.
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.05 15:45:00 - [173] Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 05/03/2007 15:45:37 Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 05/03/2007 15:42:07 Originally by: Nathan Rees Edited by: Nathan Rees on 05/03/2007 13:02:49 To those who posted with a positive reply I would like to say thank you. For those of you who posted negatively, I hope it made you feel better about yourselves. You can put your flame throwers away now as the situation has been rectified and the ship has been replaced. Special thanks to the GM who got to the Petition within 24 hours of its posting. Ive sent in a few petitions before for various things, but have never had one fixed so quickly. My faith in CCp has been renewed and now its time to get back to playing. Thank You CCP PS... No you cant have my stuff... Im Staying WTF?! I loose my ship through lag, and this guy gets his ship back because he whines on the forums? What little faith I had remaining in CCP has now been lost. Entered warp as doomsday device goes off, take damage mid-warp, and then sit at friendly POS for a minute before exploding. If that's not loss through lag, then I don't know what is. Edit: Unedited OP - his original post What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
OhDaesu	Posted - 2007.03.05 17:18:00 - [174] /signed
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.05 21:22:00 - [175] Seriously. CCP gave him back his ship? Well damn, I will whine on the forums next time I loose one to lag. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Nero Ya'ng Caldari YaFa Empires	Posted - 2007.03.06 09:01:00 - [176] Sure he got back the stuff. he has 2 or more accounts and buyed 18 GTC to sell for ISK. SURE he gets back his stuff. i would also want to keep such a stupid $ spending pilot. Next time he will fly into a gatecamp and loose his ship there. and will not get it back, he will spend another 280$ on GTC's lol. i think CCP hopes he sets up a few POS with GTC ISK.
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.06 10:48:00 - [177] Stupid tbh, someone threatens to quit and whines on the forums, and gets their ship back; when hundreds of others don't. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!

Ivan Kirilenkov Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.03.06 12:10:00 - [178] I can assure you that posting on forums doesn't have an impact on the response time, nor the outcome of a reimbursement petition. Thread locked. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website


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