A pretty damning condemnation of your product and/or service if Pokemon-Go has more pulling power over your own customer base than you do.

I've done the old double-dip unsub. Unsubbed, WWB happened, resubbed, realised I was still burnt out, unsubbed again.

Why?

It's tired. The game is tired. It actively fatigues me to play it.

The issue here isn't CCP, it's you the player. Either you have literally done everything there is to do in EVE, or you have blocked off certain parts of the sandbox because you find them uninteresting. Regardless, the issue is still you.

Yeah it's like when you go out for dinner and your food tastes disgusting - it is not the foods fault. We are the ones with the taste buds so we are the ones to blame... Right??

All games get dull over time, that is to be expected. Eve takes about 1-2 years before you fully understand the game and decide what you do and don't like. After that point the question is whether the things you do like are enough to keep you coming back for more.

EVE is a very interesting game when you look at it as a whole but for a game that is all about spaceships it's pretty weak. It's supposed to be a futuristic space ship game but all you do is push buttons, unlike other games such as Elite dangerous, war thunder, etc where the actual flying of your craft can be exhilarating.

In my own personal opinion, I feel there are 4 main reaons why the player count is no longer at the 45k average and peaking in the 60k numbers about 5 years ago.

1) The biggest problem area is that in my almost 8 of years of playing, the game's core mechanics (read pve) are almost exactly the same as when I started. That means 8 years of grinding the same anoms, the same missions, the same mining, the same industry, the same incursions, etc.

2) The inflation factor has a big turn of for a lot of people; i.e. too much work for to little reward. I remember when PLEX were first introduced and sat around 300mil. At the time those were still considered quite expensive, especially when you could buy a dominix hull for 50mil. That meant I could rat in a haven for 30mins each day and have enough isk to lose a BS doing silly stuff or I could buy a hand full of BCs, dozens of cruisers, etc. I had a lot more fun because I had a lot of time to actually go pew pew.

3) Cookie cutter class changes also took a lot of fun out flying different ships. Almost all hulls now follow 1-2 standard fits as nothing else really fits anymore. All of the ships lost a lot of their faction's uniqueness during tiericde and it suddenly became pretty much similar ships using slightly different weapon systems.

4) Nullsec decay and blue donoughts lead to a large number of people quitting the game as CCP dragged their feet years too long to change the nullsec mechanics. The new sov at least gets people actively playing again, but there's still room for improvement even if it was too little too late.

5)* I won't classify this one as a major issue but I feel with all of the 3rd party sites that monitor everything I feel like the game, espeically nullsec is no longer wild and dangerous. Too many areas are mapped down to the most minute details and have lost the appeal since there's nothing left to discover. More emergent gameplay that can't be calculated down to an exact science; read random generator, would be good for the game as it would add some much needed "newess" for everyone.

I started two month ago...and now I will quit again.
Reason is, that I get killed over and over again in high-sec while mining some minerals and afterwards getting mails that press charges. As long as a game says that it is legal to kill newbies while they try to find out how the game works.
I won't pay for something like that...sandbox or not...there should be an area where I am save, especially as a newbie.
So you won't get new players when most of them make such an anoying experience.
Have fun.

or just try something other than mining...

As long as a game says that it is legal to kill newbies while they try to find out how the game works.
I won't pay for something like that...sandbox or not...there should be an area where I am save, especially as a newbie.

But you were so close! You already found out an important part of how the game works: there is no area where you're safe.

Yes, but it's not a solution : someone has to mine, at the end, so his point is valid.
It's a bit the same than when a new pilot says : earning ISK is difficult with mining, and a vet answers : "don't bother, mate, just buy a PLEX and sell it for ISK". How often i read that kind of sentences from vets. "mining is not worth it, give up".
Then who will mine the ore we all need ?
Mining and missions are the two main ways to start making ISK in EVE, and new players are always told that these activities are not "noble", (but ganking noob miners is noble )
All what you vets have to propose to the new players is : pay to win. Buy PLEX with real money, sell it, so you don't have to work hard for your ISK.
Then where is the sense of accomplishment ?
Why mining the hard way is carebear, and pay to win gankers are hardcore ? Isn't there something hypocrite in all that ?
I understand very well why new miners leave EVE.

Well they newbie systems are safe zones kind of so that's one myth debunked straight away.

They are not. You can perfectly shoot a vet on the undock of Pator Tech school. Just can't grief the new players there.
Consider the myth bunked again ;-)

The biggest problem is...

The biggest problem is that EvE has basically no marketing presence outside of its own community.

When I tell some of my other gaming friends that I play EvE I one of two responses:
"What's Eve?"
or
"Wait Eve still exists?"

Right now youtube is the closest thing Eve has to marketing, and Eve makes terrible youtube videos. (yay colored dots everywhere!)

Lack of content....... we've had the same lvl 4 missions since 2003, sure they added lvl 5's, but what solo player ( most mission runners) whats to go to low sec (toilet bowl of eve) in a shiny ship and get nuted in a mission or ganked on the way there? plus skilling in this game takes way way way tooooooooo long

Yea yea they added the serp (grind) event ....... last thing any normal person wants to do is grind!

Another reason for the drop off in active logins could be the decision to 'outlaw' the use of isboxer.

Folk could and did run multiple accounts simultaneously, adding to the active login numbers.

Managing multiple characters manually is a lot more difficult than when using aids such as isboxer, so perhaps a lot of those 'extra' accounts are now dormant, had the toons sold off or 'stripped' of skills?

I started two month ago...and now I will quit again.
Reason is, that I get killed over and over again in high-sec while mining some minerals and afterwards getting mails that press charges. As long as a game says that it is legal to kill newbies while they try to find out how the game works.
I won't pay for something like that...sandbox or not...there should be an area where I am save, especially as a newbie.
So you won't get new players when most of them make such an anoying experience.
Have fun.

Another reason for the drop off in active logins could be the decision to 'outlaw' the use of isboxer.

Folk could and did run multiple accounts simultaneously, adding to the active login numbers.

Managing multiple characters manually is a lot more difficult than when using aids such as isboxer, so perhaps a lot of those 'extra' accounts are now dormant, had the toons sold off or 'stripped' of skills?

Yes, but it's not a solution : someone has to mine, at the end, so his point is valid.
It's a bit the same than when a new pilot says : earning ISK is difficult with mining, and a vet answers : "don't bother, mate, just buy a PLEX and sell it for ISK". How often i read that kind of sentences from vets. "mining is not worth it, give up".

Then who will mine the ore we all need ?
Mining and missions are the two main ways to start making ISK in EVE, and new players are always told that these activities are not "noble", (but ganking noob miners is noble )
All what you vets have to propose to the new players is : pay to win. Buy PLEX with real money, sell it, so you don't have to work hard for your ISK.
Then where is the sense of accomplishment ?
Why mining the hard way is carebear, and pay to win gankers are hardcore ? Isn't there something hypocrite in all that ?
I understand very well why new miners leave EVE.

You do know there is this thing called Dotlan right? You can go there and look at things like security of a system, number of kills and number of asteroid belts. You can find a good place to mine where you are less likely to be attacked.

Also, the days of mining and not paying attention are over. You should set CODE. and other gankers red. Move local to its own dedicated spot on the UI and keep an eye on it.

In fact, you might want to consider moving to NS. CODE. has brought a taste of NS to HS. In NS you have to watch for hostiles. You'll get better ore as well. Yes, you'll have to go out with whatever alliance/corporation you join and defend your space/go on deployments, but hey event that can be fun. In fact, it is more fun than just grinding down rocks, IMO.




If you feel a sense of acomplishment mining out an astroid....well you have a low bar, IMO.