Played Eve quite a lot at one time, about four years ago, maybe longer. I became saddened when the game gravitated to GÇÿspoiling your dayGÇÖ.

m0o Corp, a.k.a. Masters of Ownage, was originally created by former players of a Counter-Strike clan by the same name. The corporation first became famous for its pirate operations in southern Lonetrek, resulting in unparalleled community and developer response. They are one of few corporations which can pride themselves in having forced CCP to change or add features to the game. Known mostly for their PVP prowess, in-your-face attitudes and infamous reputations, they are considered to be the original pirates and serial killers of EVE.

The success of m0o corp. can be attributed to many things. A combination of skill, innovation and knowledge created the most effective fighting unit in the game. Many accused them of exploiting game mechanics and using unfair tactics. These allogations have been continuously denied and explained by m0o pilots on many occasions. The original m0o never grew to more than about 15 members, with 10 about or so active at any given time.

Starting in June 2003, about one month after the release of EVE Online, m0o started heavy pirate operations in southern Lonetrek. With only a handful of ships, one of the biggest chokepoints in empire space, Mara, became almost completely closed off. Destroying over 200 ships on the first day, and thousands in the weeks to follow, the players of EVE were just beginning to see the havoc m0o would cause.

Many pilots and corporations would try to fight back and remove the threat. Most had one thing in common; failure.

Safe zones for non-pvp players have been eroded and the introduction of player owned stations etcetera meant that long term players have more opportunities to drain the resolve, resources and desire from newer players.

Played Eve quite a lot at one time, about four years ago, maybe longer. I became saddened when the game gravitated to GÇÿspoiling your dayGÇÖ. Missions soon become boring in my opinion, and the newer missions that were introduced seemed only to serve as a ganking point for players hell bent on destroying your ship and having a laugh at your expense. I still contribute, and am still training a character, and that is sad because I have had characters and deleted them for whatever reason, but never got back the Credits for the lost training on the deleted character. And why should not I get back those credits, after all, it is the only thing you get to retain for your monthly subscription fee.
The game is unattractive; those besting you have often insane skill levels so the playing field is way too uneven.

Safe zones for non-pvp players have been eroded and the introduction of player owned stations etcetera meant that long term players have more opportunities to drain the resolve, resources and desire from newer players. Once you leave the training quests behind, the game is flat out boring. The market is the very best marketplace in any MMO I have come across, however, the ability to be cheated, scammed and otherwise robbed is way too prevalent and supported by the devs to ensure that fairness is stacked only to those long term players who have learned how to cheat and connive.
Manufacturing used to be a worthwhile event. Mine a bit, make things, sell them on the market was a gameplay style I enjoyed. Then came planetary games and the whole concept was spoiled. It was in effect a mini game that made no sense. Now I understand player owned stations can charge you for making planet based stuff so no fun there anymore. Unless you own the planet station I guess.

But, do I want to spend my time endlessly farming to buy another ship for some ass wipe to blow up for no reason? The Orca was once a great ship, it meant I could get my gear to market, but some people do not like that and now the Orca is a gankers delight. So why bother. I donGÇÖt anymore. Just pay to let my character earn for whatever reason once seemed important. Now, to play the game, laugh, do me a favour, itGÇÖs broke and the devs only seem to want to make things better for the lifetime wingers with billions of skill points and no personality. There is no respect in the game anymore, people seem to want to lie to you, cheat from you and use all the abuse you can imagine to make you feel uncomfortable, I admit then, the biggest inhibition to wanting to play this game is not the devs, itGÇÖs the other players and then the devs.

This thread can get to 100 pages, we just have to believe.

I know right?!? It's almost like they didn't intend for people to farm the same crappy PVE for years and years. It's ALMOST like, that's not the aspect of the game they intend to showcase at all!

This thread can get to 100 pages, we just have to believe.

Hey, nothing stopping you. Knock yourself out grinding those same missions, just don't expect a lot of sympathy from the rest of us or the devs.

And yet nothing new will have been said, at all. Its the same sides having the same arguments in the same ways just like every other time this subject has come up.

Today I learned missions are the only PvE content out there. I'm virtually never in HS, and haven't done PvP in months. That being said, thank you for your kind words. The next time I feel like doing something in a sandbox, I will run it by you first to see if it is actually fun for me or not.

I hereby grant you permission to engage in whatever silly carebear nonsense you want. -so long as you stay outside of James 315 territory.

in my oppinion this game costs far too much money, especially if your running multiple accounts, there also needs to be some more emersive features like some real audio and videos from the agents and missions, to bring EVE to life and give you an idea of each factions characteristics, and personalities. because reading is, well OUT of Date.

Is is because PLEX prices, i remember buying them at 550mill, 500mill, now is almost 1bill, or is it because the changes are making oldSchoolers quit?

One side does have an ever growing body of evidence to back them up though.

"Wow someone just blew up everything I've worked for over the past two weeks! Awesome!" * re sub*


I just don't see that happening.

Yet it does, you missed out the concept of revenge.

"Wow someone just blew up everything I've worked for over the past two weeks! Gonna hunt that mofo down and kill his ass!" * re sub*"

Worked for me, inherited 2 of his corpses from my first character; took me a year, revenge is a dish best served cold.

I really wonder where CCP gets it's data from. If it's just from the "Reason for unsubscribing" drop down box, I feel that data is flawed. Because of pride.

"Wow someone just blew up everything I've worked for over the past two weeks! Awesome!" * re sub*


I just don't see that happening.

If that was true, we wouldn't be back down to 2006 levels player base wise.

Yet it does, you missed out the concept of revenge.

"Wow someone just blew up everything I've worked for over the past two weeks! Gonna hunt that mofo down and kill his ass!" *sub*

Worked for me, inherited 2 of his corpses from my first character; took me a year, revenge is a dish best served cold.

In short, when ganking was easier the game grew the fastest. Coincidence? Maybe, but I'm inclined to think not.

- Eve had 'easier ganking'
- Eve had not t3 destroyers (coincidence?)
- Eve had no SP trading (injectors/extractors)
- Eve had different carriers
- Eve had no jump fatique and SOV was about shooting structures
- ....
- Eve had learning skills

It's just an example of what had changed for last years. You (and some others) are inclined to connect decline of subscriptions to nerfs of ganking ignoring all other changes. You know for sure: this is not the way science can be?

If that was true, we wouldn't be back down to 2006 levels player base wise.

You (and some others) are inclined to connect decline of subscriptions to nerfs of ganking ignoring all other changes.

You forgot the training queue of 24 hours, the unlimited training gueue as well.

The removal of learning skills was a good thing. Now instead of training a horribly boring set of skills, people can move one. SP trading has been in the game and was known as character trading. And seriously, players online stopped growing in 2011 because at some point in the future T3 destroyers were going to be in the game?

The game, in terms of characters online, stopped growing around 2011. It wasn't until mid 2013 that the trend became negative. Most of your list post dates this change in trend.

This list was given as indication that there was many changes in the last years. I'm pretty sure you got it tho....

Not sure if it would help if i or some other will really spent effort and compile list of changes which were made exactly in 2011. You will still decline all of it and continue with 'only nerf to ganking matters'....