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Davlin Lotze
Raging Destruction The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.03.08 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: tiller
Originally by: Hans Roaming
Originally by: Ginger Magician Yes I self-destructed my carrier and I am very happy to have done it. U managed to get me scrambled due to a lame log in trap and u were using a mothership which is invunerable so I decided not to give lamers like this easy killmails or loot.
Interestingly enough it seems that MC are so desperate for killmails they even posted a fake killmail of my carrier on Battleclinic after the loss.This has now been removed by the admins.
Just for future reference all Snowy capital pilots will automatically self destruct their ships when there is no hope of escape so dont expect to get many killmails or loot from blobbing us.
When in low sec always keep local pegged on your screen as you never know who may be around and warping (80AU) to your position.
PS: First time I've ever heard a two people gang called a blob.
A Aeon is a 1 man blob.... and in low sec it is a IWin button that cannot be beaten.
I envy pilots of these ships, but only for them owning such a ship as any fool can fly one tbh.
/boggle
There are really people who still believe this????? WOW, just wow.
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Witch Doctor
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.08 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: tiller
You dont get any mails from suicide :-)
Well, it all makes sense now. Kind of lame to duck the kill mail, but whatever - ship's still dead.
Originally by: tiller
As for me in SNOWY, well it seemed a good idea for eve's no2 pirate to join 'numero uno' himself.. SNOWYs current lineup of pilots is truly the pirating 'dreamteam' of eve.
Wanna join ?
I am undeserving of such an honor. My brief experiences with pirating was that it was pretty boring and not much different than shooting rats. But GL and welcome back to the Yarrk Side and all that.
Generous of you to call Ginger the no.2 pirate.
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tiller
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.08 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene To hell with the ship. This is the only mail that counts, and it's NOT faked.
Quote: 2007.03.08 00:57
Victim: Ginger Magician Alliance: None Corp: OctoberSnow Corp Destroyed: Capsule System: Otou Security: 0.3
Involved parties:
Name: Waagaa Ktlehr (laid the final blow) Security: 3.7 Alliance: Mercenary Coalition Corp: Body Count Inc. Ship: Aeon Weapon: Ahremen's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb
2007.03.08 00:56 For your termination of Ginger Magician we have paid you the bounty that was set to his head: 85,876,553.00 ISK
Self-destruct all you want. Dead is dead.
You are soooooo wrong, he's very much alive. I'm speaking to him on vent as I type..
Clones FTW
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Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:00:00 -
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It's ok, I think poor Ginger has counting issues, as I remember a 4 on 4 (4 BS against our 1 BS, 1 T1 Cruiser, 1 recon, 1 HAC) where we were labelled as blobbers. It's ok, I still love Ginger, even if he emoragequits his Thanny. As has already been said, it seems that turnabout is fair play, and maybe you should remember that utterly helpless, pathetic, useless feeling the next time you use your gate-camping carrier to take on some poor noob's cruiser. Just remember, you never know when we'll be back. I guess next time we'll just have to bring more ships to ensure we kill you inside 2 minutes.
Originally by: Major Stormer
Quote: What should the MC do?
Make things explode.
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tiller
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Crovan It's ok, I think poor Ginger has counting issues, as I remember a 4 on 4 (4 BS against our 1 BS, 1 T1 Cruiser, 1 recon, 1 HAC) where we were labelled as blobbers. It's ok, I still love Ginger, even if he emoragequits his Thanny. As has already been said, it seems that turnabout is fair play, and maybe you should remember that utterly helpless, pathetic, useless feeling the next time you use your gate-camping carrier to take on some poor noob's cruiser. Just remember, you never know when we'll be back. I guess next time we'll just have to bring more ships to ensure we kill you inside 2 minutes.
blah blah, how many times a day do you think people make threats against us ?, heard it all before tbh.
The truth be known, I don't actually care when you come back, it's nice that we mean so much to you though. I certainly would'nt pop down to period basis and interrupt MC mining ops, you mean nothing to me.
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Idara
Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:18:00 -
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Edited by: Idara on 08/03/2007 18:15:53
Originally by: tiller you mean nothing to me.
Apparently we meant enough to Gingy to make him self-destruct rather than giving us the pleasure of posting a killmail.
What, no one was around with dreads? Damn, would've been nice to see an instapopped Thanatos and then Ginger whining that he got ganked while he'd buy a new Thanatos and go back to ganking people going through lowsec.
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tiller
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Idara Edited by: Idara on 08/03/2007 18:15:53
Originally by: tiller you mean nothing to me.
Apparently we meant enough to Gingy to make him self-destruct rather than giving us the pleasure of posting a killmail.
What, no one was around with dreads? Damn, would've been nice to see an instapopped Thanatos and then Ginger whining that he got ganked while he'd buy a new Thanatos and go back to ganking people going through lowsec.
As I said, you mean nothing to ME :-)
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DarkElf
Caldari Veto.
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: tiller
Originally by: Phoenus
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr This thread is funny. Phoenus posted a mail on the MC boards and it has been handled, I could really worry less about one less carrier kill to my name.
Please note the above - the Killmail was posted to the *MC* boards to keep our records accurate. A kill is a kill is a kill, it's the same as an NPC stealing a killmail - you still kill the ship, even if you don't get the mail.
It was posted up, with an explanation that it was a self-destruction, with a screenshot showing you self-destructing.
If your own killboard is copying kills from an MC board, that is a problem that is beyond our control. The mail was removed (by myself), less than 5 minutes after it was posted, to avoid it being 'spread', as what happened.
I'd disagree, a kill is a KILL... ie: you should have the mail. Ginger killed himself.
If you dont have the mail it's because, guess... you didn't get the kill.
The MC killboard would seem to be full of manufactured kills then ?.. full of what MC members judge 'should' of been their kill.
I've already killed 5 titans solo in a ibis
oh I 'should' of won this fight, if this had happened I 'would' of won that fight, if I had been scratching my arse while hitting f keys I 'may' of won blah fight....where do you draw the line MC ?
i normally agree with u tiller but on this case i do not.
if u attack someone in a belt and do 99% of the damage to them but a louysy npc frig hits the final blow, it doesn't mean that the frig got the kill. landing the final blow on something doesn't mean it;s 'your' kill, it simply means that it hit you last.
It was because of MC that his carrier dies, therefore it is their kill.
DE
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tiller
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
Originally by: tiller
Originally by: Phoenus
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr This thread is funny. Phoenus posted a mail on the MC boards and it has been handled, I could really worry less about one less carrier kill to my name.
Please note the above - the Killmail was posted to the *MC* boards to keep our records accurate. A kill is a kill is a kill, it's the same as an NPC stealing a killmail - you still kill the ship, even if you don't get the mail.
It was posted up, with an explanation that it was a self-destruction, with a screenshot showing you self-destructing.
If your own killboard is copying kills from an MC board, that is a problem that is beyond our control. The mail was removed (by myself), less than 5 minutes after it was posted, to avoid it being 'spread', as what happened.
I'd disagree, a kill is a KILL... ie: you should have the mail. Ginger killed himself.
If you dont have the mail it's because, guess... you didn't get the kill.
The MC killboard would seem to be full of manufactured kills then ?.. full of what MC members judge 'should' of been their kill.
I've already killed 5 titans solo in a ibis
oh I 'should' of won this fight, if this had happened I 'would' of won that fight, if I had been scratching my arse while hitting f keys I 'may' of won blah fight....where do you draw the line MC ?
i normally agree with u tiller but on this case i do not.
if u attack someone in a belt and do 99% of the damage to them but a louysy npc frig hits the final blow, it doesn't mean that the frig got the kill. landing the final blow on something doesn't mean it;s 'your' kill, it simply means that it hit you last.
It was because of MC that his carrier dies, therefore it is their kill.
DE
I'm not arguing that, I'm just saying you cant just go 'making' kill mails whenever you think you 'deserved' the kill. Where do you draw the line... it's plain rediculous.
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DarkElf
Caldari Veto.
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: tiller
I'm not arguing that, I'm just saying you cant just go 'making' kill mails whenever you think you 'deserved' the kill. Where do you draw the line...
it's plain rediculous.
mmmmmmmmmmm i'm not sure where i stand tbh. i have requested killmails from victims before when npc's got it and changed the final blow to myself so that it appears on the kb but not sure if i would if the person self destructed.
It's a grey area for me as to whether it acceptable or not.
DE
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xtreamer
Eve Defence Force Pure.
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Posted - 2007.03.08 19:22:00 -
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lol @ snowcorp or however its typed
TURBY > your corp anyday anywhere
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tiller
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.08 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: xtreamer
TURBY > your corp anyday anywhere
I think your posting in wrong thread ...kinda random dont you think ?
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Montgomery Alabaster
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Posted - 2007.03.08 19:39:00 -
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And all this time I thought people did not like the snowy bunch because they were efficient pirates. Turns out it is because when faced with better players and more even odds than a Thanatos against a shuttle you blow yourselves up. You guys are basically ore thiefs with a bit more isk. Pathetic, if no one means anything to you stop posting and reading the forums already ya hypocritical basement virgin. |
MrMann
Bastage Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.03.08 20:00:00 -
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Perosnally, I don't have a problem with self-destructing. Heck it's the pilot's ship and he can do what he wants with it . . .
But I just had to point out the following:
Originally by: Montgomery Alabaster hypocritical basement virgin.
That gem is going right into MrMann's book of insults for future use. I love it!! LOL
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Benzmann
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.08 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene To hell with the ship. This is the only mail that counts, and it's NOT faked.
Quote: 2007.03.08 00:57
Victim: Ginger Magician Alliance: None Corp: OctoberSnow Corp Destroyed: Capsule System: Otou Security: 0.3
Involved parties:
Name: Waagaa Ktlehr (laid the final blow) Security: 3.7 Alliance: Mercenary Coalition Corp: Body Count Inc. Ship: Aeon Weapon: Ahremen's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb
2007.03.08 00:56 For your termination of Ginger Magician we have paid you the bounty that was set to his head: 85,876,553.00 ISK
Self-destruct all you want. Dead is dead.
so?, you had a fkn overpowerd fleet, 1 mothership, and 6 carriers, and bunch of bs's and T2 BC's against 1 fkn carrier ?,
i must say i aint impressed by your tactic, as soon as me and tiller undocked in our capitals, then your mothership hopped in lol and you didint get any of us, until later when you got Ginger at a gate, but thats another story....
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.03.08 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ratamnim Natas Not sure if this is the right place to post this or if it has been posted before but its a point of veiw i have come up with today. Some pirates now camp in low sec in carriers, (rich ones in motherships) this is fine its a part of eve but when they know they are doomed i have noticed that they rather self destruct their ships so as not to give the agressors a killmail nor any loot from the ship. This is lame imo and was thinking that self destructing like this might not happen if the self destrut button meant you get no isk from insurance. Just a thought wondered if anyone had any similar experiances like this and if it sounded like a good idea,im sure there are lots of pros and cons to this but would love to hear some feedback to see what everyone else thought. Will eagerly await any feedback From Ratamnim.
This actually happened to us. We (pirates) engaged a Smash Carrier camping a gate in Placid. After killing his fighters, and starting in on his tank, the guy self-destructs with 20% armor. Not only does this deny us a killmail (which isn't such a big deal,) but it also denies us the loot.
What should happen is this: you wanna self-destruct fine, the same game mechanics stay in place. Just one change. No insurance pay out for those who purposefully blow up their ship.
Hell, in real life, if you blew up your car, on purpose, and tried to collect the insurance, they wouldn't pay.
Why should some douche in a carrier in eve be able to "self-destruct" and still collect the insurance?
-Karlemgne
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.08 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Benzmann
Originally by: Seleene To hell with the ship. This is the only mail that counts, and it's NOT faked.
Quote: 2007.03.08 00:57
Victim: Ginger Magician Alliance: None Corp: OctoberSnow Corp Destroyed: Capsule System: Otou Security: 0.3
Involved parties:
Name: Waagaa Ktlehr (laid the final blow) Security: 3.7 Alliance: Mercenary Coalition Corp: Body Count Inc. Ship: Aeon Weapon: Ahremen's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb
2007.03.08 00:56 For your termination of Ginger Magician we have paid you the bounty that was set to his head: 85,876,553.00 ISK
Self-destruct all you want. Dead is dead.
so?, you had a fkn overpowerd fleet, 1 mothership, and 6 carriers, and bunch of bs's and T2 BC's against 1 fkn carrier ?,
i must say i aint impressed by your tactic, as soon as me and tiller undocked in our capitals, then your mothership hopped in lol and you didint get any of us, until later when you got Ginger at a gate, but thats another story....
That mail is from later, two ships involved I believe, what's your point?
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Benzmann
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.08 21:43:00 -
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my point is that MC sucks
you guys are just like the bobbits or Toxin
you allways blob every1 and call yourselfs good pvpers
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Phoenus
Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.08 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Benzmann my point is that MC sucks
you guys are just like the bobbits or Toxin
you allways blob every1 and call yourselfs good pvpers
Smart, considering Ginger is the self-professed Numero Uno PVPer in EVE
[ 2006.08.16 20:49:06 ] (combat) Your Electron Blaster Cannon II barely scratches Dominix [NTEMS]<HELLH>(Dominix), causing |
Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.08 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Benzmann my point is that MC sucks
you guys are just like the bobbits or Toxin
you allways blob every1 and call yourselfs good pvpers
So what is your gate camp with T2 Sniper BS and a Thanatos vs a shuttle or T1 frig, skill?
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Benzmann
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.08 21:51:00 -
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well he is number 1 player over killmails in eve :) not a single player has goten more kills than him
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Dr Slice
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.08 21:53:00 -
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Thats unfortunate that MC fabricates kill mails. Its great for your team to have engaged a Carrier and forced it to self-destruct - am not taking away from that.
But posting fake kill mails is bad, mmkay.
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Phoenus
Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.08 21:57:00 -
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Edited by: Phoenus on 08/03/2007 21:54:57
Originally by: Dr Slice Thats unfortunate that MC fabricates kill mails. Its great for your team to have engaged a Carrier and forced it to self-destruct - am not taking away from that.
But posting fake kill mails is bad, mmkay.
Perhaps you should read the thread before trolling
Yes, I posted the killmail. I then removed the killmail having realised I shouldn't have posted it before it had been up 5 minutes. Yep, a mistake, and one I shouldn't have made, but it's done and dusted, and resolved. Live with it.
Such is life, until next time, Ginger
[ 2006.08.16 20:49:06 ] (combat) Your Electron Blaster Cannon II barely scratches Dominix [NTEMS]<HELLH>(Dominix), causing |
Dr Slice
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.08 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenus Edited by: Phoenus on 08/03/2007 21:54:57
Originally by: Dr Slice Thats unfortunate that MC fabricates kill mails. Its great for your team to have engaged a Carrier and forced it to self-destruct - am not taking away from that.
But posting fake kill mails is bad, mmkay.
Perhaps you should read the thread before trolling
Yes, I posted the killmail. I then removed the killmail having realised I shouldn't have posted it before it had been up 5 minutes. Yep, a mistake, and one I shouldn't have made, but it's done and dusted, and resolved. Live with it.
Such is life, until next time, Ginger
So if I stole an item from a store, and came back 5 minutes later and replaced it, that eliminates the initial crime of stealing, yes?
Just...lol
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Phoenus
Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.08 22:15:00 -
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As I said. What is done, is done - the incident has been dealt with internally. Done, dealt and dusted with. Think what you will, of me, or of my Alliance. I've apologised to the parties involved with the killboard, and will serve my time mining Veldspar
Lets leave it at 'Good Fight', and 'Until next time'. We'll be watching .
Props to Ginger for the lack of smack in local at the time, and yes - whoever was watching the scanner without voice comms should be shot. I was under the genuine impression that Waagaa had been spotted - as he logged on Ginger actually started moving, and aligning (I believed to a safespot)
[ 2006.08.16 20:49:06 ] (combat) Your Electron Blaster Cannon II barely scratches Dominix [NTEMS]<HELLH>(Dominix), causing |
Tobias Rufino
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Posted - 2007.03.08 22:21:00 -
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I don't get this thread at all. Basically someone wants regulations on whether we can scuttle our own property.
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Dr Slice
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.08 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Slice on 08/03/2007 22:27:02
Originally by: Tobias Rufino I don't get this thread at all. Basically someone wants regulations on whether we can scuttle our own property.
Its human nature Tobias, and history shows countless examples of this concept in action.
In WWII for example, when Stalin's Red Army was in Berlin, his main priority was capturing Hit***. Later it was found that he had committed suicide to avoid capture and this left many Russian Generals and Stalin, depressed and angry.
They wanted to exact revenge on the man responsible for over 20 million Russian military and civilian deaths during the war, but could not, since Hit*** "self destructed" before punishment could be exacted.
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Dr Slice
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.08 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Christopher Dalran Incase this has not happened to any of you there is a bug that was introduced with wrecks where occasionally your pod will get stick un the wreck unable to move. Although pods speed up and warp near instantly, the wreck prevents you from moving at all and this prevents you from being able to warp your pod away.
Rather than risk getting stuck and losing all their implants (none of you can honestly say you would let pods be because of the bug, you all know you would destroy the pod all the same) many pilots chose to self destruct and then eject, the point here is not to deny a kill mail (which in all honestly means absolute jack as the ship is equally destroyed both ways) but to ensure they can escape with their implants. Self destructing the ship is just there to ensure that the enemy cannot steal it by boarding it but instead has to continue to shoot and destroy it rather than waste time chasing your pod about.
Self destruct/ eject is the only way to make sure your pod does not get stuck inside your own wreck.
Interestingly enough, this bug has led to the increase of more people using logoffski. Great work CCP!
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Ratamnim Natas
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Posted - 2007.03.08 23:15:00 -
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Some interesting things have been said here and have been thinking about alot of the things said. Im sure ccp wanted eve to be quite realist with alot of the things in game, of which alot of things are and its what makes the game great. Things like sinking your own fleet to prevent them getting in enemy hands have been done in real life wars, and i can see why you would do so in this game to, so that i am fine with now. I know you pay for ships and some ships are more expensive than others, and you pay insurance for ships which again can be very expensive.But my main grudge is the self destruct feature. I dont like refering this game to life events all the time as its just a game that should be enjoyed, but as in life certain events have consiquence and this imo should be one of them. Lose a ship in battle fair enough insurance payout, self destruct should mean insurance void but thats my veiw on things. Didnt really want this to turn out as a massive flame thread although some of the posts were rather amusing. From Ratamnim.
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Benzmann
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.08 23:16:00 -
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TBH i would self-destruct my Archon if i would be outnumberd, cos all the ppl that would be shooting me are hoping to get a carrier killmail. and this is our way to dissapoint them, and make them more angry at us
thats another part of a pirates life :)
i am proud to serve under Gingers command, he has opend a door for me and his member to many kills
the first month i was in snowy, i got little over 400kill mails !
so yes, i would do the same if it had been my carrier that you guys were engaging
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