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Tau IX	Posted - 2007.03.09 15:04:00 - [121] In your opinion seppuku is lame too? Idiots.
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.03.09 15:46:00 - [122] Originally by: Tau IX In your opinion seppuku is lame too? Difference, of course, being that seppuku is commited after the fact of losing, because the loss caused the loser to become too embarassed to continue living, whereas in this case, the "seppuku" was comitted to prevent his opponents from "winning". I don't really think they are comparable, tbh. If it's lame or not I'll leave to others to speculate about. Originally by: Tau IX Idiots. Well... /Ki Remember, kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
DarkElf Caldari Veto.	Posted - 2007.03.09 16:03:00 - [123] Originally by: Tau IX In your opinion seppuku is lame too? Idiots. LOL bit different bud DE
Eiidmac	Posted - 2007.03.09 16:22:00 - [124] Originally by: Tau IX In your opinion seppuku is lame too? Idiots. If you know your history, seppuku was done after a samurai was defeated in battle. A general who lost in battle performed seppuku to redeem his shame since he was disgraced by losing. You wouldn't impale yourself during the middle of battle to avoid death. To equate it to Eve, if would be like podding yourself after you lost your ship to redeem your honor in losing your ship. There are legitimate reasons to self destruct a ship. A miner may wish to blow up their mining barge or exhumer in order to keep the pirate from getting the ore. If I don't want to pay your ransom and I die, you get my ore. If I self destruct and give you the middle finger, I win as long as I can run in my pod. One thing to remember is the pilot is still out the insurance money if they self destruct. Losing 200 million to save a 700 million hulk is still a lose a pilot must decide to except.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.09 16:29:00 - [125] Originally by: Ginger Magician Edited by: Ginger Magician on 09/03/2007 10:53:38 It was well worth the loss of my carrier to see the posts of the MC lamers in this thread.Clearly this action has royally upset them as was my intention.And yes we shouldnt have lost the carrier and although the log in trap is a lame tactic it worked on this occasion. Will be interesting to see what MC does when I get my own mothership.I wonder how they will enjoy engaging the number 1 PVPER in EVE when he cant lose Ginger! You managed to destroy my alt in an ibis with your carrier the other day. You did, in the end, beat me! You must be the number one pvper in eve. Btw, I'm still waiting for that snowy death squad to come wipe out Black Fleet... you know the one? The one you promised to me because I made you look like a complete tool on the forums. Anyway, saw you here and thought I'd say hi. -Karlemgne
ZaKma Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.09 17:44:00 - [126] Originally by: TheJacko i agree with ginger on this one i know that we have had our fights aswell but to get a mothership and carriers to kill 1 person is way to much (oh and backup). if he wants to do so then let him. but i allso noticed a guy from mc say there was only 2 people, well we was next door and it sure didnt look like it was 2 people lol. and mc for posting a fake mail that shows that they are just lame... That was the FIRST time we tried to kill you. You all docked up and we left. Ginger's death happened later in the evening, and the only MC there was a Aeon and a Vindicator.
Davik Kurchek The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.03.09 18:13:00 - [127] Originally by: B0rn2KiLL and ive always had a feeling littlist hobos were MC pirate alts ;) I'm always the last to know about these things oh and type the name right at least. ---
Blind Man Kemono. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 18:24:00 - [128] Originally by: tiller Originally by: Blind Man just make a fake killmail, i do it all the time when npcs get it and the person is too lame to send the lossmail to me Seriously though, why even bother... if you are actually any good at PVP you will get 1000s upon 1000s and the odd missed doesn't matter does it ? Just out of interest, when you create these fake mails, do you fill it with faction gear to make it look good ? meh it does'nt matter but I find it annoying, mostly because of the attitude of the person unwilling to give up a lossmail, and I usually make very educated guesses on what to put on the killmail if its like a carrier or something, otherwise just leave the rest blank
Shismo	Posted - 2007.03.09 18:52:00 - [129] Destroying your ship to prevent your opponent the satisfaction of the final blow is just fine and dandy, and actualy good practice. The jews at masada did it, and people think that was prety awesome. The bismarck tried to skuttle itself before it was blobbed todeath, and most people probably wish they managed to pull it off. (cause come on that was a prety lame defeat, oh noes my rudder is broken im going to drive around in circles while i get killed by a bunch of crop dusters). Nope. The attackers 'won'. They did what they set out to do, blow the ship up - and the ship nolonger exists. Untill killboards are a built in part of the eve client they just arent part of the game and you cant say the game is being played wrong by denying you another 'point'. If you want to work on your kill:death go play cs etc. Kill mails purpose is to give trolls a tool to **** people off, there are many ways to do this, rubbing things in their face is one way.. and denying them THEIR killmail when they realy realy realy want it is another. I think making people angry over petty things is great, so im totaly supporting gingers actions. Think of it as a challenge. You need to figure out how to kill his next one in less than 2 minutes.
Christopher Dalran Gallente Deadly Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 19:04:00 - [130] Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Dr Slice Originally by: Christopher Dalran Incase this has not happened to any of you there is a bug that was introduced with wrecks where occasionally your pod will get stick un the wreck unable to move. Although pods speed up and warp near instantly, the wreck prevents you from moving at all and this prevents you from being able to warp your pod away. Rather than risk getting stuck and losing all their implants (none of you can honestly say you would let pods be because of the bug, you all know you would destroy the pod all the same) many pilots chose to self destruct and then eject, the point here is not to deny a kill mail (which in all honestly means absolute jack as the ship is equally destroyed both ways) but to ensure they can escape with their implants. Self destructing the ship is just there to ensure that the enemy cannot steal it by boarding it but instead has to continue to shoot and destroy it rather than waste time chasing your pod about. Self destruct/ eject is the only way to make sure your pod does not get stuck inside your own wreck. Interestingly enough, this bug has led to the increase of more people using logoffski. Great work CCP! Interestingly enough, self-destructing a capital ship still results in a wreck. I'm not sure how the person Dr. Slice is quoting here can use this "bug" as an excuse for capital pilots self-destructing. -Karlemgne You self destruct, then eject and warp away while your ship is still a ship and there is no wreck. Even if the ship is destroyed after you eject you nolonger on the spot that the wreck will spawn at so you dont get stuck. Nobody self destructs then waits for the ship to pop before trying to leave, that would defeat the whole point. ------------------------------- C.D's Formula for success ------------------------------- Credit Card = Game Time Card Gametime Card = ISK Therefore Credit Card = ISK.
Superbus Maximus Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.03.09 19:14:00 - [131] I personaly would go down with the ship trying to kill anyone I could before going down, but the man payed for this ship if he wants to self destruct what right do you have to say he shouldn't do that? If you ask me both sides of this argument just sound like a bunch of cry babies Please do not edit moderator sig comments. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
Shismo	Posted - 2007.03.09 19:14:00 - [132] Originally by: Christopher Dalran You self destruct, then eject and warp away while your ship is still a ship and there is no wreck. Even if the ship is destroyed after you eject you nolonger on the spot that the wreck will spawn at so you dont get stuck. Nobody self destructs then waits for the ship to pop before trying to leave, that would defeat the whole point. lololol, how deliciously lame, im going to have to try that.
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.03.09 19:21:00 - [133] Hi, I'm Nicocat, and I declare this thread as EPIC FAILURE. Woo! Now knock it off, all of you. Snowy's ego is approaching critical BoB levels, and the smack from everyone else is simply a joke. Honestly, 5 pages about a friggin' self-destructing carrier. This happens a lot, you know, it's not a big deal. Happened to us down in 0.0: a carrier popped in, apparently "lost," I got it scrambled, we wailed on it for a while, and pop. Destructs at 10% structure. Needless to say, we were **ed, but did we spam the forums about it? No sir. Man, this is why people tried to petition Ginger into the realm of the banned... Originally by:** Splagada SEED ME DADDY Down with alts! One character per account per IP!
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.09 20:57:00 - [134] Originally by: Christopher Dalran Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Dr Slice Originally by: Christopher Dalran Incase this has not happened to any of you there is a bug that was introduced with wrecks where occasionally your pod will get stick un the wreck unable to move. Although pods speed up and warp near instantly, the wreck prevents you from moving at all and this prevents you from being able to warp your pod away. Rather than risk getting stuck and losing all their implants (none of you can honestly say you would let pods be because of the bug, you all know you would destroy the pod all the same) many pilots chose to self destruct and then eject, the point here is not to deny a kill mail (which in all honestly means absolute jack as the ship is equally destroyed both ways) but to ensure they can escape with their implants. Self destructing the ship is just there to ensure that the enemy cannot steal it by boarding it but instead has to continue to shoot and destroy it rather than waste time chasing your pod about. Self destruct/ eject is the only way to make sure your pod does not get stuck inside your own wreck. Interestingly enough, this bug has led to the increase of more people using logoffski. Great work CCP! Interestingly enough, self-destructing a capital ship still results in a wreck. I'm not sure how the person Dr. Slice is quoting here can use this "bug" as an excuse for capital pilots self-destructing. -Karlemgne You self destruct, then eject and warp away while your ship is still a ship and there is no wreck. Even if the ship is destroyed after you eject you nolonger on the spot that the wreck will spawn at so you dont get stuck. Nobody self destructs then waits for the ship to pop before trying to leave, that would defeat the whole point. Haha... this is dumb, in all honesty. I know about 20 people who can fly carriers, but don't have the isk to actually make it feasable. Next time I engage a carrier with my corpies, I'll hope for this, be paying attention, and the offender may save the pod, but lose everything else. -Karl

Karass Sayfo Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.03.09 21:18:00 - [135] Thread cleaned. Please remain on-topic and refrain from flaming/trolling - Karass Sayfo _______ forum rules \| IGS rules \| CAOD rules \| [email protected]

Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.09 21:50:00 - [136] Just to clear some things up... First, no matter what Ginger claims, a pilot who was online for a solid 2 or 3 minutes, and completed an 80au warp in a capital ship is not a log on trap. Second 2 pilots is not a blob. Pretty simple.
Christopher Dalran Gallente Deadly Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 22:06:00 - [137] Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 09/03/2007 22:04:04 Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Christopher Dalran Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Dr Slice Originally by: Christopher Dalran Incase this has not happened to any of you there is a bug that was introduced with wrecks where occasionally your pod will get stick un the wreck unable to move. Although pods speed up and warp near instantly, the wreck prevents you from moving at all and this prevents you from being able to warp your pod away. Rather than risk getting stuck and losing all their implants (none of you can honestly say you would let pods be because of the bug, you all know you would destroy the pod all the same) many pilots chose to self destruct and then eject, the point here is not to deny a kill mail (which in all honestly means absolute jack as the ship is equally destroyed both ways) but to ensure they can escape with their implants. Self destructing the ship is just there to ensure that the enemy cannot steal it by boarding it but instead has to continue to shoot and destroy it rather than waste time chasing your pod about. Self destruct/ eject is the only way to make sure your pod does not get stuck inside your own wreck. Interestingly enough, this bug has led to the increase of more people using logoffski. Great work CCP! Interestingly enough, self-destructing a capital ship still results in a wreck. I'm not sure how the person Dr. Slice is quoting here can use this "bug" as an excuse for capital pilots self-destructing. -Karlemgne You self destruct, then eject and warp away while your ship is still a ship and there is no wreck. Even if the ship is destroyed after you eject you nolonger on the spot that the wreck will spawn at so you dont get stuck. Nobody self destructs then waits for the ship to pop before trying to leave, that would defeat the whole point. Haha... this is dumb, in all honesty. I know about 20 people who can fly carriers, but don't have the isk to actually make it feasable. Next time I engage a carrier with my corpies, I'll hope for this, be paying attention, and the offender may save the pod, but lose everything else. -Karl I'm not talking specifically about carriers, i'm talking about all ships. You can get stuck in the wreck of ANY ship in your pod so if you happen to have alot of expensive implants you may definitly want to do this to make sure you can get away. Also most people arent holding down ctrl ready to click the pod untill the ship is just about ready to pop so your probably going to escape. And if your planning on boarding the ship to keep it think again, the self destruct still goes off. ------------------------------- C.D's Formula for success ------------------------------- Credit Card = Game Time Card Gametime Card = ISK Therefore Credit Card = ISK.
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.03.09 22:55:00 - [138] Originally by: Lorth Just to clear some things up... First, no matter what Ginger claims, a pilot who was online for a solid 2 or 3 minutes, and completed an 80au warp in a capital ship is not a log on trap. Second 2 pilots is not a blob. Pretty simple. Get it through that feeble brain of yours; a mother ship is a blob unto itself, especially in low sec.
Tobias Rufino	Posted - 2007.03.09 23:06:00 - [139] Originally by: Ratamnim Natas Some interesting things have been said here and have been thinking about alot of the things said. Im sure ccp wanted eve to be quite realist with alot of the things in game, of which alot of things are and its what makes the game great. Things like sinking your own fleet to prevent them getting in enemy hands have been done in real life wars, and i can see why you would do so in this game to, so that i am fine with now. I know you pay for ships and some ships are more expensive than others, and you pay insurance for ships which again can be very expensive.But my main grudge is the self destruct feature. I dont like refering this game to life events all the time as its just a game that should be enjoyed, but as in life certain events have consiquence and this imo should be one of them. Lose a ship in battle fair enough insurance payout, self destruct should mean insurance void but thats my veiw on things. Didnt really want this to turn out as a massive flame thread although some of the posts were rather amusing. From Ratamnim. Reminds me of the urban legend about the cigars. http://www.snopes.com/crime/clever/cigarson.asp
Profhet Murder of Crows E N I G M A	Posted - 2007.03.09 23:08:00 - [140] Edited by: Profhet on 09/03/2007 23:05:38 just take your medicine like a man ffs. ____________________________ FEED ON THE DYING
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.03.09 23:23:00 - [141] Originally by: Profhet Edited by: Profhet on 09/03/2007 23:05:38 just take your medicine like a man ffs. lol, so real men watch their carrier go pop so the attackers get the loot, nice!
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.03.09 23:34:00 - [142] Originally by: Dr Slice Get it through that feeble brain of yours; a mother ship is a blob unto itself, especially in low sec. This is a truly stupid quote when stated by a group that uses carriers to kill non-dread passer-bys. If you want to use a big hammer to squash ants, have fun. But don't whine about it when you get to play ant to the next guy.
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.03.09 23:44:00 - [143] Originally by: Mistress Suffering Originally by: Dr Slice Get it through that feeble brain of yours; a mother ship is a blob unto itself, especially in low sec. This is a truly stupid quote when stated by a group that uses carriers to kill non-dread passer-bys. If you want to use a big hammer to squash ants, have fun. But don't whine about it when you get to play ant to the next guy. Indeed. Also, motherships only have SO many fighters. Bet you have enough bullets to take 'em down ;) Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY Down with alts! One character per account per IP!
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.03.10 00:08:00 - [144] Originally by: Mistress Suffering Originally by: Dr Slice Get it through that feeble brain of yours; a mother ship is a blob unto itself, especially in low sec. This is a truly stupid quote when stated by a group that uses carriers to kill non-dread passer-bys. If you want to use a big hammer to squash ants, have fun. But don't whine about it when you get to play ant to the next guy. We don't use carriers to kill non-dread passer-bys. Its used primarily to support Recon tacklers. Second, I'm not whining, just stating something very obvious, but somehow misses the boat in many people's minds.
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.03.10 00:12:00 - [145] Originally by: Nicocat Hi, I'm Nicocat, and I declare this thread as EPIC FAILURE. Woo! Now knock it off, all of you. Snowy's ego is approaching critical BoB levels, and the smack from everyone else is simply a joke. Honestly, 5 pages about a friggin' self-destructing carrier. This happens a lot, you know, it's not a big deal. Happened to us down in 0.0: a carrier popped in, apparently "lost," I got it scrambled, we wailed on it for a while, and pop. Destructs at 10% structure. Needless to say, we were ****ed, but did we spam the forums about it? No sir. Man, this is why people tried to petition Ginger into the realm of the banned... Snowy didn't start this thread. Not sure where you are getting "spam the forums" concerning this issue. And if this thread is an epic failure, what does that say about you and your continued posts within this thread? I wonder.
KillmAll187	Posted - 2007.03.10 00:21:00 - [146] Originally by: SasRipper all my carrier pilots are under orders to self distruct carriers if we are unable to rescue or secure the loot is not likly, not been forced to do this yet however. I Lol'd at his corp name after reading this.
Profhet Murder of Crows E N I G M A	Posted - 2007.03.10 00:52:00 - [147] Originally by: Dr Slice Originally by: Profhet Edited by: Profhet on 09/03/2007 23:05:38 just take your medicine like a man ffs. lol, so real men watch their carrier go pop so the attackers get the loot, nice! yes. I respect most of what you guys do, people should take alot of the snowy epeening with a grain of salt, but they don't. ____________________________ FEED ON THE DYING
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.03.10 01:06:00 - [148] Edited by: Dr Slice on 10/03/2007 01:02:23 Originally by: Profhet Originally by: Dr Slice Originally by: Profhet Edited by: Profhet on 09/03/2007 23:05:38 just take your medicine like a man ffs. lol, so real men watch their carrier go pop so the attackers get the loot, nice! yes. I respect most of what you guys do, people should take alot of the snowy epeening with a grain of salt, but they don't. Trust me Profhet, nobody in my Corp cares about portraying themselves as "real men" or your definition of "real men" in a video game. That entire concept is laughable.
Profhet Murder of Crows E N I G M A	Posted - 2007.03.10 01:53:00 - [149] well I'll just change it then take your medicine ffs I have nothing but respect for pirating, I have tried it myself and failed miserably, left only with a lot of work to get my sec back. I would under no condition though deny my enemy a killmail that they have earned. ____________________________ FEED ON THE DYING
Skuzapo	Posted - 2007.03.10 02:22:00 - [150] Originally by: Dr Slice Second 2 pilots is not a blob. Pretty simple. Get it through that feeble brain of yours; a mother ship is a blob unto itself, especially in low sec. why dont you get it into your feeble brain that camping shuttles and indies with cap ships is a blob and lame ? ( to those that fail to understand , both these types of ships are unable to fire back ) to then whine when a carrier ( cap ship able to harm other ships ) is attacked by 2 ships ( yes thats 2 not 5 or even the typical 10-20 incl cap ships thay octoberblowy use to gate camp shuttles , noob ships and inys ) and the pilot throws his barbies out her pram , and the whole of blowy corp seems to whine about how unfair it is , THATS PRICELESS

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