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Emperor Rome SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:17:00 - [1] Edited by: Emperor on 12/03/2007 05:19:01 a bit of background first: SMASH was invited by RED and GOONSWARM to join the coalition against LV. SMASH accepted the offer and were offered the system of 77s and full rights to the 10/10 plex in that system. SMASH helps destroy the LV capital productoin facilities in JV1V as well as helps seige many other LV systems with the aid of GOONSWARM. SMASH destroys all enemy POS's in 77s and deploys a few POS's of our own to take soverignty of the system we were suppost to be given. RED alliance demands full access to the 10/10 plex, while GOON had already told SMASH that we would be given full access. An agreement is reached where the plex would be split 50/50 so SMASH would get it for 2 weeks of the month, RED the other 2 weeks. 2 days after this, RED alliance announces they want to buy a mothership from 1 of the pilots in SMASH who is a known empire pirate and scammer. Peoke informs RED that he is a very high-risk person to deal with and that RED should use Peoke or myself as a middle man to broker the trade of the mothership so that RED does not get ripped off. Red decides to ignore that advice and goes directly to the pilot and gives him 10 billion ISK. He then pods the RED pilot who came to pick up the Mothership, and leaves SMASH with the ISK. RED holds SMASH responsiable and gives us 72 hours to pay them their lost ISK or to get out of the area. Because the area is so rich and we had already invested a good deal of time and effort into securing the area, we decide it would be best just to pay RED. We offer them the money, but RED refuses, saying that they no longer trust SMASH and that we need to get out of the war. You can take this however you wish to, however it seems very clear to me that this was all a power-play for the 10/10 plex. So SMASH pulls out of the war and goes home to Geminate. GOON advises us to stay clear of RED as RED alliance has now re-set SMASH. SMASH pilots are given the order not to go past N-RAEL and not to raid RED space. RED's response to our trying to avoid them and let them fight BOB was to send raiding partys into geminate into TDE4-H, our home system. The raids increased untill within the last week we have had 4-5 diffrent raids a day, each raid containing an average of 10 RED pilots. SMASH decided that it would be in our best intrest to help the war effort against BOB still, so we moved our main PvP fleet over to the Outer Ring/Cloud Ring area to help GOON and D2 secure Cloud Ring and to help push into Fountain. The day after we moved our fleet out of TDE, RED deploys a medium POS and brings in 2 dreads and 4 carriers. Dispite our best efforts to stay away from RED and allow them to fight BOB, RED have felt that SMASH is clearly the greater threat and has decided to move on us instead of BOB. From this moment onward we are activly hunting RED alliance pilots. The POS they deployed in TDE4-H has already been hit into reinforced mode. It is my hope that GOONSWARM, CA, Tao Ceti, and all of RED's other allies will see that we have done our best to aid the war effort against BOB and would like all of RED's allies to stay out of the war between SMASH and RED, but that of course is up to those individual alliances. I would appreciate it if diplomats from all of RED's allies would mail me informing me of their stance toward SMASH considering what I have said in this post.
Veinnail Solstice Systems Development Concourse SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:18:00 - [2] Edited by: Veinnail on 12/03/2007 05:19:33 1st way to stand w/ your coalition lets have it
Golden Helmet Caldari Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:22:00 - [3] Kill the Reddies!
Jagged VanEyck Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:23:00 - [4] sorry m8. doesnt sound like much fun... ----------------------------------------------- "No drone left behind..." MercU
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:24:00 - [5] freedom fairies attack ;o Click above for my killboard stats.
Antithysis Athanasius Inc. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:24:00 - [6] Time for the Reddies to burn! ---------
SencneS Amarr Keepers of the Holy Bagel SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:24:00 - [7] Feel the love ---------------------------------- Send ISK to SencneS for good Kama!
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:25:00 - [8] I know goons hold SMASH in high regards, it's crap these events went down. - WeComeInPeace Video
Fedaykin Naib BURN EDEN GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:25:00 - [9] Knowing theres always two sides to a story, and not having heard the other side yet. If this all holds up, thats some pretty * ** REDS "Long Live the Fighters!"
Sap Stabdrip	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:26:00 - [10] You gonna get raped.
Emrod Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:26:00 - [11] Oh noes... I have a badfeeling about all of this.... I sell some logoffski t2 module,improved forum flamming tachyon beam and Bob Lag generator faction item, contact me ingame for more info :P
Kristoffer Amarr Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:33:00 - [12] Good. Get out of the Outer Ring.
Frothgar Caldari Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:34:00 - [13] SMASH has always been good company, I hope differences can be resolved reasonable.
searchi tiberian suns	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:35:00 - [14] Edited by: searchi on 12/03/2007 05:33:12 seems reds urge to make isk by camping all complexes that they can get their hand on is stronger than their binding to the coalition. i dont see them actively invading bob space. might be even possible they arrange with them in a temporary sharing agreement. probably red knows, that IF ever bob and allies get dealt with they will be seen as the next treath to game stability by their urge to get their hands onto all the complexes
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:35:00 - [15] WTF ;\ IAC doesn't even get a mention ;[ http://eve.klaki.net/
Emperor Rome SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:37:00 - [16] fixxed, srry about that.
Brakan	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:38:00 - [17] Internal strife ftw!
Varheg Xan Athanasius Inc. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:39:00 - [18] D-R-A-M-A!
VinceNoir Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:39:00 - [19] This sucks dude, but look at the bright side. RA are 10bn ISK down
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:40:00 - [20] Thank you, my feelings were deeply hurt http://eve.klaki.net/
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:40:00 - [21] Edited by: Kirex on 12/03/2007 05:40:22 removed: Notworth it to start a flame war about somthing different than the situation at hand ;/ Click above for my killboard stats.
Budz Fergie Caldari Caldari Deep Space Ventures Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:41:00 - [22] Sounds like RA are happy now that LV aren't there and now are cleaning up the area. Sounds similar to what they did after the 5 left too. ----------
Emrod Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:44:00 - [23] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Thank you, my feelings were deeply hurt /me give a Quebec beer to Tyrrax Now you gonna feel better I sell some logoffski t2 module,improved forum flamming tachyon beam and Bob Lag generator faction item, contact me ingame for more info :P
Kristoffer Amarr Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:46:00 - [24] Originally by: Kirex Originally by: Kristoffer Good. Get out of the Outer Ring. ROFL Aren't you guys the ones who asked us for a nap? Then when we started heading back to TDE you turned on us while we were blue? HAHA The NAP was agreed upon under false pretense. Your complete abuse of that NAP, not to mention the fact that you locked a number of our pilots and even shot down a blue ship caused us to 'turn on you' Your occupation force was well informed of the standings change before hostilities comenced today.
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:47:00 - [25] What? RED alliance altering agreements to what they want? No, can't be. Aligning with certain people has consequences. Nothing worst then being stabbed in the back, but that should be expected from RED. They do have a record of opting out of agreements whenever they feel like it. Once no longer needed, it's 'boom' time. More folks will find that out the hard way as this war progresses.
Tenaka Kahn Minmatar Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:50:00 - [26] I love the pity plea seeing as that SMASH recently attempted to invade our space saying that they were after kicking BoB out of a 10/10 complex in our neck of the woods. After which you set us to blue and then proceeded to attack and camp us in station demanding we request permission. Not really the way friends are supposed to treat one another. But, I'm sure some folks will be fooled by your BS but it would seem RA and several other people know what you guys are truly about. Good luck and have fun.
Lighti Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:50:00 - [27] How I know there was some problems between our pilots,citizens and SMESH. 1. Our pilot noticed a SMESH gang (they had + that time), and pilot with negative standings with them. So RA pilot attacked pilot with negative standings. RA pilot was killed by SMESH gang. 2. Our citizines was constantly killed by SMESH gangs. 3. SMESH there is no any big movement towards u from RA. Its just ppl having fun. We look at it as at hunting activity, not any kind of war... PS. This is not official statement, just info I know. PSS. Sorry form my english f1, f2, f3.
Anndy Caldari Praetorian Black Guard	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:51:00 - [28] Originally by: Emrod Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Thank you, my feelings were deeply hurt /me give a Quebec beer to Tyrrax Now you gonna feel better Quebec has their own beer now? dam i guess the separation is almost complete :P anyway back on topic RA have been famous for turning on their friends, i highly doubt they will actually invade BOB space, i'd bet they sit where they are now and keep collecting isk as they always have i'm just counting the days till they turn on goons Please resize your signature to the limits specified in the forum rules, thanks. -wystler ([email protected])
Raid Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:56:00 - [29] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk WTF ;\ IAC doesn't even get a mention ;[ I enjoyed that as well.
Choi Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:56:00 - [30] Oh snap, it's on now!
Palec Drum	Posted - 2007.03.12 05:59:00 - [31] Originally by: Tenaka Kahn I love the pity plea seeing as that SMASH recently attempted to invade our space saying that they were after kicking BoB out of a 10/10 complex in our neck of the woods. After which you set us to blue and then proceeded to attack and camp us in station demanding we request permission. Not really the way friends are supposed to treat one another. But, I'm sure some folks will be fooled by your BS but it would seem RA and several other people know what you guys are truly about. Good luck and have fun. There was no pity plea. It's an alliance statement, as indicated by the title. That's what this forum is for after all. As for Outer Ring, we never wanted a NAP, it only happened cos bigger fish asked us to accept it. Now it's over we can all have some fun. Now, let's let that be the end of Outer Ring discussions as this thread doesn't actually have anything to do with Outer Ring so please don't derail. Cheers
Darineah Charach Minmatar The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:02:00 - [32] Originally by: Palec Drum Originally by: Tenaka Kahn I love the pity plea seeing as that SMASH recently attempted to invade our space saying that they were after kicking BoB out of a 10/10 complex in our neck of the woods. After which you set us to blue and then proceeded to attack and camp us in station demanding we request permission. Not really the way friends are supposed to treat one another. But, I'm sure some folks will be fooled by your BS but it would seem RA and several other people know what you guys are truly about. Good luck and have fun. There was no pity plea. It's an alliance statement, as indicated by the title. That's what this forum is for after all. As for Outer Ring, we never wanted a NAP, it only happened cos bigger fish asked us to accept it. Now it's over we can all have some fun. Now, let's let that be the end of Outer Ring discussions as this thread doesn't actually have anything to do with Outer Ring so please don't derail. Cheers stupid alt, he's me ------- Boxing Kangaroo
BluWine	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:02:00 - [33] Originally by: Lighti 3. SMESH there is no any big movement towards u from RA. Its just ppl having fun. We look at it as at hunting activity, not any kind of war... Then the feeling is mutual. Let the games begin! \o/\o/
Grapez SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:03:00 - [34] Originally by: BluWine Originally by: Lighti 3. SMESH there is no any big movement towards u from RA. Its just ppl having fun. We look at it as at hunting activity, not any kind of war... Then the feeling is mutual. Let the games begin! \o/\o/ Damn Alt. That was me. &º¬íí-T«+ºH for all your political humor needs
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:03:00 - [35] Originally by: Sap Stabdrip You gonna get raped. You're going to get modded. :p wins
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:06:00 - [36] Originally by: Lighti 1. Our pilot noticed a SMESH gang (they had + that time), and pilot with negative standings with them. So RA pilot attacked pilot with negative standings. RA pilot was killed by SMESH gang. You might be talking about VHI. When VHI was in -V-, your corps had us set to negative. We left and joined SMASH, VHI showed negative to you so you shot us. I remember we said in local MANY times for you to stop because we were in SMASH but you guys did not stop. We shot you, THEN you told US to stop in local. Click above for my killboard stats.
Tyrenical Caldari SpearMint Rhino GentleMen's Club	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:07:00 - [37] SMASH has a way of ****ing people off, I have first hand knowledge and personal experience of what i speak
Uuve Savisaalo Umbra Congregatio	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:09:00 - [38] Kind of disheartening to see certain members (former members?) of the coalition being so short-sighted as to openly play into bob's hands. I am hoping the leadership of SMASH alliance realises that there is no such thing here as 'staying out' of someone's hostilities towards their allies in the world of eve anymore. slavyaskoye bratstvo.
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:10:00 - [39] While I have no love for SMASH, and especialy none for back stabbers in ROME this does concern me. Please provide some sort of proff that you payed RA that isk.
Moloc Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:10:00 - [40] Originally by: Tenaka Kahn I love the pity plea seeing as that SMASH recently attempted to invade our space saying that they were after kicking BoB out of a 10/10 complex in our neck of the woods. If a SMASH pilot kills someone that is blue, you send an eve-mail to Peoke, and if confirmed, the alliance re-imburses the isk. That's the way it's always worked. Accidental shootings happen, and standings take a while to change, you can't expect instant action on standings changes. SMASH was even going to go so far as to pay 10 billion isk, for un-endorsed actions of a pilot we kicked from the alliance, even after a warning was issued. Red just spat in our face for the offer. You can't judge an alliance based on one pilot, it's how the alliance management responds to rogue pilots that matters. Hell, the guys corp had only been in SMASH for a couple of weeks.
Darineah Charach Minmatar The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:15:00 - [41] Uuve: We're responding to the attacks of RA, and their POS placement in our system, after repeatedly trying to sort it out peacefully. If anyone is playing into BoB's hands it's RA. I can guarantee, BoB is rubbing their hands with glee. Satan, we can't provide proof, as our offer to pay was refused by RA. The circumstances around that are in the op. ------- Boxing Kangaroo
Tenaka Kahn Minmatar Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:17:00 - [42] You can judge individuals based on their actions though. If you guys had came for the reason you stated, its odd you turned your capital fleet around after the NAP was agreed upon. And why would you demand blues to request permission to undock from stations? I just want to shed a bit of light in the fact that you guys are not of the trustworthy sort. You blatantly lied about your intentions as stated have fun seems karma works out.
Murukan Minmatar Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:17:00 - [43] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk WTF ;\ IAC doesn't even get a mention ;[ lol you attention *** Manlove by Zaphod Jones**
Aceonfire Caldari JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:18:00 - [44] Quote: You can take this however you wish to, however it seems very clear to me that this was all a power-play for the 10/10 plex. DING DING DING DING - we have a winner. 10 days they could make enough to cover the loss of that mothership scam by running that plex, if that. You think they give a damn about anything else?
DruzidelCastro Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:19:00 - [45] If you feel the need to talk about Outer Ring, please make another thread. This thread is strictly between what's happening between RED and SMASH in Geminate. Thanks.
Darineah Charach Minmatar The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:20:00 - [46] Originally by: Tenaka Kahn You can judge individuals based on their actions though. If you guys had came for the reason you stated, its odd you turned your capital fleet around after the NAP was agreed upon. And why would you demand blues to request permission to undock from stations? I just want to shed a bit of light in the fact that you guys are not of the trustworthy sort. You blatantly lied about your intentions as stated have fun seems karma works out. We turned the cap fleet around cos someone put a POS in TDE. Logical no? ------- Boxing Kangaroo
Sleyha VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:20:00 - [47] Edited by: Sleyha on 12/03/2007 06:17:29 Originally by: SATAN While I have no love for SMASH, and especialy none for back stabbers in ROME this does concern me. Please provide some sort of proff that you payed RA that isk. I beleive Emperor said we offered to pay the ISK and it was refused. To summarise, RED have a typical mafia mentality. When a deal goes wrong because they ****** up, they will go for the easiest target with the money. I've seen this in real life and amazingly in EvE also but SMASH isn't an alliance who is easily stood over. It's pretty black and white. ______________________________
Moloc Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:23:00 - [48] Timeline went something like this: RA and SMASH discuss buying Nyx off a new SMASH member corp. Peoke and UAxDeath agree to do the deal through Peoke (at UAxDeath's own suggestion ! ). Ignoring his own suggestion and after being warned that Peoke couldn't vouch for him, UAxDeath pays Miz Cenjui 10bn to be podded. RA threaten to drop their dreads on SMASH dreads engaged in the LV theatre with Goonswarm. SMASH offer to pay 10bn, even though the situation sucks. RA refuse, and Goon manage to get us 72 hours to withdraw. * some withdrawing members are still shot within that 72hrs SMASH withdraw dreads and fleet to Geminate, instruct pilots not to raid RA space, or deliberately engage, despite now neutral standings. SMASH doesn't have a choice, we would love to be fighting along side Goons / IAC / TCF and co again, but with RA and everyone unassociated following their standings it isn't possible. So we go for Outer / Cloud rings, away from RA, leaving home lightly defended. RA send fleets to gank or die in SMASH's home system 3-4 times Per DAY. Sentiment within SMASH changes, no longer willing to pay back the isk, as we have been given no guarantee anything will change anyway. (and it wasn't even our fault). RA sustain some big losses, what they don't lose gets camped in, with them logging in and out every hour or so to check if they're still bubbled in. The next day, they put up a tower. SMASH and Allies (formerly also RA allies), put the RA tower into reinforced. At this point, it is more than 'just some raiding fun'. Dropping a tower in our home system can't be seen as anything other than a stab in the back. Granted there was alot of loud yelling before. No one from RED has said why they're doing this, all the pilots from the front line know is 'there were some problems between RED and SMASH'. Someone's ego high up is hurt, and they're just pushing down whatever mis-information they can to get support within their own alliance.
Jonathan Peterbilt Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:24:00 - [49] Originally by: Aceonfire Quote: You can take this however you wish to, however it seems very clear to me that this was all a power-play for the 10/10 plex. DING DING DING DING - we have a winner. 10 days they could make enough to cover the loss of that mothership scam by running that plex, if that. You think they give a damn about anything else? Hehe maybe one day it will be clear to all there is only one thing Reds care about - 10/10 complexes.
Peanut Swsh Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:27:00 - [50] Originally by: Uuve Savisaalo Kind of disheartening to see certain members (former members?) of the coalition being so short-sighted as to openly play into bob's hands. I am hoping the leadership of RA alliance realises that there is no such thing here as 'staying out' of someone's hostilities towards their allies in the world of eve anymore. slavyaskoye bratstvo. fixed. since the 77s- incident we have kept our distance from RA, we withdrew to our forces back to geminate. Now you have to understand that we are very ****ed off because we were just starting to have fun and kill things, mostly LV things. But our alliance leadership told us our pilots to stay out of the situation, and we were basically told to leave RED alone. Then finally, we get told we can go help in cloud ring (I assume there is no RED there), and then 2 days later, we find a RED pos in our home system. If RED set standings to negative and then decide to come pay us a visit in our home system, well of course they are gonna receive a free express clone-trip home.
Metacannibal Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:27:00 - [51] look ma, i'm in a bob thread
Hastrabull Caldari Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:28:00 - [52] Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt Originally by: Aceonfire Quote: You can take this however you wish to, however it seems very clear to me that this was all a power-play for the 10/10 plex. DING DING DING DING - we have a winner. 10 days they could make enough to cover the loss of that mothership scam by running that plex, if that. You think they give a damn about anything else? Hehe maybe one day it will be clear to all there is only one thing Reds care about - 10/10 complexes. im very much sure about this. lets see how long the coalition will hold :D tic toc tic toc... Hastrabull
Sionn Klorgh Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:30:00 - [53] Waste. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Radeberger Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:32:00 - [54] Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt Originally by: Aceonfire Quote: You can take this however you wish to, however it seems very clear to me that this was all a power-play for the 10/10 plex. DING DING DING DING - we have a winner. 10 days they could make enough to cover the loss of that mothership scam by running that plex, if that. You think they give a damn about anything else? Hehe maybe one day it will be clear to all there is only one thing Reds care about - 10/10 complexes. ummm that's wrong, they also care for their 8/10's (especially the bugged kind) Is this a sig? i think not
AFY Research1	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:33:00 - [55] Edited by: AFY Research1 on 12/03/2007 06:30:20 Sleyha beat me to it. * Red is scammed for 10bil because they did not heed Peoke's warning, or were too impatient. Whatever. * Red demands 10bil reimbursement * Scammer was under SMASH flag so SMASH accepts responsibility. SMASH ponies up the money. * Red refuse money - no longer trust us, etc, etc, and demand we get out. Deal has changed (again). SMASH pulls out * Talk commence with Goon mediating, while Red pilots raid TDE. Pay 10bil everything back to normal. SMASH stays out of Red space. * Pay 10bil, standings reset, stay out of war. Red Raids increase. SMASH stays out of Red space. * Pay 10bil. Red Raids increase. SMASH stays out of Red space. * SMASH says screw this, you aren't getting a cent any more. General progress from re-imbursment to extortion.
Kormorant Gallente Oneirocritica Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:33:00 - [56] So the RED greed shows its true face... I thought the Goons would have shown their colours first, however I have been impressed by the way they have carried themselves recently ( at least where I am). The lure of the complex proved to much... oh dear Yes, I am an alt fighting...
Falconius Karde Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:33:00 - [57] Stupid alts. That was me.
Tenaka Kahn Minmatar Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:38:00 - [58] Hmmm hate to beat a dead horse, what was the supposed reason for the SMASH guys coming to OR? Oh thats right... a 10/10 complex.
Peanut Swsh Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:41:00 - [59] Originally by: Tenaka Kahn Hmmm hate to beat a dead horse, what was the supposed reason for the SMASH guys coming to OR? Oh thats right... a 10/10 complex. wait so we are just meant to throw our time and isk at a target... for no reward? maths doesn't seem to add up. thats the past now. and we left, receiving nothing for helping RA take down LV. But nope, RA couldn't leave it at that, they have to raid us nightly and now they have set up a POS in our home system.
The Jok3r Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:45:00 - [60] Funny reading your statement i lost count of how many times the changed the deal and how many times you bent over to accommodate them. You showed weakness by doing so and they lost respect for you. I might have told you more than I know... "Dont speak english... Ctrl Q Ctrl Q "
ArcticFox Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:46:00 - [61] Who needs friends when you have many many rubles from 10/10 complex? -------------------------- There is only one +6 sword of WTFPWN in Eve, and only the lag is allowed to equip it.
ph33rf4ct0ry Minmatar Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:47:00 - [62] You where in the most dangerous place in eve, between a Russian and a complex. /shivers and TBFH I think you should stop reading my sig now...
hybridundertaker Amarr Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:47:00 - [63] i feel the dark force strong... war isnt even over yet and the allies are allready fighting for the plexes. EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER
Peanut Swsh Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:50:00 - [64] Edited by: Peanut Swsh on 12/03/2007 06:50:18 Originally by: The Jok3r Funny reading your statement i lost count of how many times the changed the deal and how many times you bent over to accommodate them. You showed weakness by doing so and they lost respect for you. Just trying to do the right thing by the coalition. No need to start a war over such a trivial matter. Bit late now thou. Personally (I can't speak for my alliance), I would be happy for RED to withdraw from Geminate, and go back to shooting BOB/LV/"THE BADDIES". Originally by: hybridundertaker i feel the dark force strong... war isnt even over yet and the allies are allready fighting for the plexes. As the above poster said, we bent over backwards to try and accomodate them.
BorisThe Blade Amarr Dicken's Cider	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:54:00 - [65] Don't feel bad SMASH CA cant use some of the plexes in GW because the Russians don't let them Kind of makes it obvious that the coalition is made of fools that will be discarded when the war is over.
Meddly Nocturnal Soldiers	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:55:00 - [66] This is surprising how? You had a known scammer in your alliance why did you keep him in it? Also you didn't know having a 10/10 plex with RA around would cause issues especially since Goons = RA meat shields you took an agreement from a pet, what did you expect?
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.03.12 06:57:00 - [67] And so the infighting begins... I knew it wouldn't last.
Peanut Swsh Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:00:00 - [68] Originally by: Meddly This is surprising how? You had a known scammer in your alliance why did you keep him in it? Also you didn't know having a 10/10 plex with RA around would cause issues especially since Goons = RA meat shields you took an agreement from a pet, what did you expect? I guess we were naive and thought we could change his ebil ways. And also, if he could provide the coalition with one more mothership to field, then it would be in our interests to broker a deal. Unfortunately, RA aren't smart enough to listen to good advice. What did we expect? speaking for myself, I am a bit naive. I expected RA to take the 10bn, STFU, and we could all go back to shooting BoB.
Ben Derindar KelBen Productions	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:06:00 - [69] Originally by: BorisThe Blade Don't feel bad SMASH CA cant use some of the plexes in GW because the Russians don't let them The goons aren't allowed to run the plexes in their own space either. Can't say I'm surprised by any of this tbh. /Ben How to fix Eve
The Jok3r Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:06:00 - [70] Originally by: Peanut Swsh Originally by: Meddly This is surprising how? You had a known scammer in your alliance why did you keep him in it? Also you didn't know having a 10/10 plex with RA around would cause issues especially since Goons = RA meat shields you took an agreement from a pet, what did you expect? I guess we were naive and thought we could change his ebil ways. And also, if he could provide the coalition with one more mothership to field, then it would be in our interests to broker a deal. Unfortunately, RA aren't smart enough to listen to good advice. What did we expect? speaking for myself, I am a bit naive. I expected RA to take the 10bn, STFU, and we could all go back to shooting BoB. RA used the incident to gain full control of the 10/10. In essence the consider half the plex more valuable than what you could offer as an ally. You guys are a resilient group am sure the disappointment wont last long. I might have told you more than I know... "Dont speak english... Ctrl Q Ctrl Q "
Engad Tanon Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:08:00 - [71] WTB 10b coalition
Nathaniel Hull Caldari 808 Enterprises	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:09:00 - [72] WoW way to treat your friends. Red Alliance come on are you all cold hearted ruskies.
ViRiii The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:11:00 - [73] o/ benneh
Praitar	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:11:00 - [74] I guess RA wants the geminate complexes too eh? Disappointing.
Kittara Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:13:00 - [75] Edited by: Kittara on 12/03/2007 07:12:38 Originally by: Ben Derindar Originally by: BorisThe Blade Don't feel bad SMASH CA cant use some of the plexes in GW because the Russians don't let them The goons aren't allowed to run the plexes in their own space either. Can't say I'm surprised by any of this tbh. /Ben I did not know that Maybe we aren't giving the Russians nearly as much credit as they deserve. Cache is a great mining region they also have property in the new regions and now we come to find out they are running all the plexes. If this is truly GREAT job by them!! I mean we might be at different ends of this conflict but I can still acknowledge their work.
Uuve Savisaalo Umbra Congregatio	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:13:00 - [76] Originally by: Nathaniel Hull WoW way to treat your friends. Red Alliance come on are you all cold hearted ruskies. I'd be a little more careful with slinging ethnic slurs if I were you, my dear chisel-toothed travesty. Indeed, the coalition has got to do a better than this. Who cares which complexes belong to whom at this point in time. Should bob prevail, none of us are going to run any complexes in the foreseeable future. food for thought
Alizeee Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:17:00 - [77] Is this why you're all dead, just don't know it yet ?
BorisThe Blade Amarr Dicken's Cider	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:18:00 - [78] Originally by: Kittara Edited by: Kittara on 12/03/2007 07:12:38 Originally by: Ben Derindar Originally by: BorisThe Blade Don't feel bad SMASH CA cant use some of the plexes in GW because the Russians don't let them The goons aren't allowed to run the plexes in their own space either. Can't say I'm surprised by any of this tbh. /Ben I did not know that Maybe we aren't giving the Russians nearly as much credit as they deserve. Cache is a great mining region they also have property in the new regions and now we come to find out they are running all the plexes. If this is truly GREAT job by them!! I mean we might be at different ends of this conflict but I can still acknowledge their work. Perhaps but the are but***king their "allies"
Tarred Solstice Systems Development Concourse SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:21:00 - [79] Originally by: BorisThe Blade Originally by: Kittara Edited by: Kittara on 12/03/2007 07:12:38 Originally by: Ben Derindar Originally by: BorisThe Blade Don't feel bad SMASH CA cant use some of the plexes in GW because the Russians don't let them The goons aren't allowed to run the plexes in their own space either. Can't say I'm surprised by any of this tbh. /Ben I did not know that Maybe we aren't giving the Russians nearly as much credit as they deserve. Cache is a great mining region they also have property in the new regions and now we come to find out they are running all the plexes. If this is truly GREAT job by them!! I mean we might be at different ends of this conflict but I can still acknowledge their work. Perhaps but the are but***king their "allies" Why should they allowed to call all these shots and ignore the bob war?
Arriadna Gallente Night Guards	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:25:00 - [80] Omg. D-R-A-M-A. RA and RA friends acording to our kb, lose about 25 ships to Smash "friendly fire" when they have positive standings from us. Killing our ships was a really bad idea, but you were protected by your ally status. Out patience wasn't infinitely, so when stending was reseted guys, which you are killed, make visit to your system. You several times was asked to stop fire and set correct stendings, you didn't do it. It was fun for u to shoot your allies? Fun is over now, when they shoot back? PS. We don't need your system and your region etc. It was just small revenge of your victims (and their freinds). ------------- RA alt.
Last Mohicans	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:26:00 - [81] Capitals Vs BoB = Losses = Need to replace Capitals = less isk to sell.
Emperor Rome SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:28:00 - [82] Originally by: Arriadna Omg. D-R-A-M-A. RA and RA friends acording to our kb, lose about 25 ships to Smash "friendly fire" when they have positive standings from us. Killing our ships was a really bad idea, but you were protected by your ally status. Out patience wasn't infinitely, so when stending was reseted guys, which you are killed, make visit to your system. You several times was asked to stop fire and set correct stendings, you didn't do it. It was fun for u to shoot your allies? Fun is over now, when they shoot back? PS. We don't need your system and your region etc. It was just small revenge of your victims (and their freinds). ------------- RA alt. The huge majority of the ships we killed due to friendly fire while flying with RED/GOON were corps that were outside of any alliances, who RED didnt tell us to set blue. once we saw them once, those corps were set blue. Blame youre beloved RED friends for the losses of your ships. convo me to get rid of any un-wanted T2 BPOS
Grapez SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:28:00 - [83] Originally by: Arriadna RA and RA friends acording to our kb, lose about 25 ships to Smash "friendly fire" when they have positive standings from us... Can we have a KB link to these kills? &º¬íí-T«+ºH for all your political humor needs
putukas Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:29:00 - [84] Edited by: putukas on 12/03/2007 07:29:04 Thats the way Red Alliance work :p I have been fighting RA for almost 2 years now and i know how they change their interest depending the profit. Even their own alts have been blown up for complex access. Thats why im not in the coalition and thats why im on BoB side. Not becouse i like BoB so much but becouse i dont like RA and their pets specially CA who are the biggest wannabe's in this war. Goons dont realize how they are fooled. Also other coalition members. Im happy that SMASH will hopefully leave coalition first. I know Emperor from oldschool days, he will make right decissions. BTW im 90% sure if RA gets what they want, they will give coalition a finger and leave them to die. And bob will run over all north and prolly goons also. BoB will maybe make a deal with RA. Cheers.
Aceformat British Space Corporation D-L	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:32:00 - [85] I know this isn't the most "Constructive" post I have ever made. But after deep thought and deliberation over what has transpired ... I really hope both sides wipe each other out. There, can't get any more neutral than that!
Nade'em Solstice Systems Development Concourse SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:34:00 - [86] Originally by: Arriadna Omg. D-R-A-M-A. RA and RA friends acording to our kb, lose about 25 ships to Smash "friendly fire" when they have positive standings from us. Killing our ships was a really bad idea, but you were protected by your ally status. Out patience wasn't infinitely, so when stending was reseted guys, which you are killed, make visit to your system. You several times was asked to stop fire and set correct stendings, you didn't do it. It was fun for u to shoot your allies? Fun is over now, when they shoot back? PS. We don't need your system and your region etc. It was just small revenge of your victims (and their freinds). ------------- RA alt. So your idea of revenge is getting your ships blown up? You've certainly taken your "revenge" then.
James Britanicus Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:35:00 - [87] Drakma and Ka-tet leader, This is you, soon you will be Smash, you will be paying them and not having anything yet you throw the same accusations around like they have any meaning. See the light before your cement shoes harden. We were friends before and still are at a pilot to pilot level. RMF still extends to you the olive branch, seriously all ego's aside try to remember who your time, tested and true friends are. Then consider what has happened here. JB **************************************************************** He thinks he is Uber, if you don't believe me, just ask him :)
Sadist Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:43:00 - [88] Perhaps you think you are being treated unfairly? òòòòòòòòòòòò VIP member of the [23] Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:43:00 - [89] ROFL People still trust Miz Cenuij ?! I'm stunned. Take a history lesson people, jeez http://eve.klaki.net/
Grapez SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:44:00 - [90] Originally by: James Britanicus Drakma and Ka-tet leader, This is you, soon you will be Smash, you will be paying them and not having anything yet you throw the same accusations around like they have any meaning. See the light before your cement shoes harden. We were friends before and still are at a pilot to pilot level. RMF still extends to you the olive branch, seriously all ego's aside try to remember who your time, tested and true friends are. Then consider what has happened here. JB Surely you meant that for this thread? &º¬íí-T«+ºH for all your political humor needs
Peanut Swsh Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:44:00 - [91] Originally by: Arriadna Omg. D-R-A-M-A. RA and RA friends acording to our kb, lose about 25 ships to Smash "friendly fire" when they have positive standings from us. Killing our ships was a really bad idea, but you were protected by your ally status. Out patience wasn't infinitely, so when stending was reseted guys, which you are killed, make visit to your system. You several times was asked to stop fire and set correct stendings, you didn't do it. It was fun for u to shoot your allies? Fun is over now, when they shoot back? PS. We don't need your system and your region etc. It was just small revenge of your victims (and their freinds). ------------- RA alt. i was actually involved in one of these incidences. An RA friend gatecamping in a hyperion, popped a solo SMASH Lachesis, because as was later explained.. they didn't have standings set correctly (hyperion was the one who initiated hostilities). SMASH gang in area go to investigate (was a small ship gang, mostly frigs and cruisers if i remember correctly). We jumped into camp, and started firing, our ships start dying, but we are also killing the hype, then someone finds out that they are part of the coalition and attack is called off. We lost in total the Lachesis (due to RA friends no setting correct standings) not happy about this. And a few frigs, which was not really a big deal. RA friend... lost nothing. We backed down, explained in local to someone who could speak russian, was a corp member of his or something. THEN as our members who lost their frigs warped back to the gate to return to base the hyperion continued to fire upon, and podded several SMASH members. I got lucky and my pod was webbed, but luckily he finally got the message that we were coalition members and not enemies, so I made it through the friendly camp. Now i'm not trying to blame RED, these friendly fire incidences do happen. There are a lot of corporations in this war, and allegiances are forming rapidly. Unfortunately logistics on both sides didn't respond quickly enough in changing standings, and some friendly fire incidences happened. In the grand scheme of things thou, it is hardly a blip on the radar. GET OVER IT. It makes me suspicious that RA are making such a big deal over such tiny events. Makes me think that they have their own agenda, which they obviously don't see fit to share with us.
Kriger Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:47:00 - [92] Originally by: Emperor ... RA showing their true colors again i see. I suppose there's no need for them to play the "we r the innocent victims" card anymore given their aim to own all plexes in the south is going real well atm. Their attitude towards u reminds me of their relations with -V- b4 the war. -V- initially tried to get a peacefull deal with RA, but they refused, spewing out the most ridiculous terms (obviously they werent interested but had to say something so they could claim they tried to settle), resulting in -V- attacking RA, with the later help from the 'first' coalition. Dont be fooled - RA will stab any1 in the back for their plexes. They have done it so many times b4, and will do so again. They r uber posfighters and with Goons helping them atm, almost unstoppable, but at the same time _completely_ untrustworthy in my experience. But thank u for putting this into the public - hopefully it will show more ppl how RA operate. Gl SMASH i suppose. .:: Kriger's gfx Factory ::.
Moloc Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:47:00 - [93] Originally by: Arriadna Omg. D-R-A-M-A. RA and RA friends acording to our kb, lose about 25 ships to Smash "friendly fire" when they have positive standings from us. Killing our ships was a really bad idea, but you were protected by your ally status. Out patience wasn't infinitely, so when stending was reseted guys, which you are killed, make visit to your system. Any losses were reimbursed, or from people that fired first. I think you'll find any other losses were after RA revoked SMASH's standings. And RA allies were shooting SMASH all along. We had to go into a war zone with 'ok RA is friendly, and don't shoot anyone on their standings page, but don't expect the same favour.' .. Fun. Quote: You several times was asked to stop fire and set correct stendings, you didn't do it. It was fun for u to shoot your allies? Fun is over now, when they shoot back? Who is 'you' and who are you? And what do you know anyway? Quote: PS. We don't need your system and your region etc. It was just small revenge of your victims (and their freinds). Well, a) duh. b) if revenge is losing even more.... I really wonder if you realise that a few dozen RED pilots have sparked a war that the rest of their alliance will have to deal with. Seriously, if everyone had the same revenge reflex there wouldn't be 2 people in the game allied. Quote: I really hope both sides wipe each other out. Entirely unlikely. Just alot of messy isk sinking.
mamolian Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:57:00 - [94] Delighted! -------------------------------
fugazii Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:57:00 - [95] why not jst take over the 10/10 in vale? none the less go ra!
Arriadna Gallente Night Guards	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:58:00 - [96] Edited by: Arriadna on 12/03/2007 07:56:21 Originally by: Emperor The huge majority of the ships we killed due to friendly fire while flying with RED/GOON were corps that were outside of any alliances, who RED didnt tell us to set blue. once we saw them once, those corps were set blue. Blame youre beloved RED friends for the losses of your ships. Sorry for kb links, but it's just for show some facts. Escarina 02.09 http://killboard.red-alliance.info/?op=kill&id=126069 then 02.16 http://killboard.red-alliance.info/?op=kill&id=124552 then 02.28 (even in friendly alliance). I don't post all links u can see it on our kb (if u look on your ally kills) rush-fanatics 02.16 02.18 etc etc. So how many times (u "saw them once'?) u must be asked to set stenidngs to your allies? And all killed pilots heard only "it's your fault, we haven't positive stendings on your corp". So stop all this bull***t about complexes etc. Respect your allies next time. --------------- RA alt.
M0535 M. Corp Academy M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.03.12 07:58:00 - [97] I still find it funny that you thought RA would let you use the 10/10 complex in the first place RA contain some of the most selfish self-confessed complex ***s in EVE (notice I didnt say all RA are complex ***s) If your space contains a decent complex, RA will station pilots there, or just simply invade. Oh, and ebay stopping the sale of isk...... that must of hurt certain people -------
Vandervecken Smith Athanasius Inc. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 08:05:00 - [98] Originally by: Arriadna Sorry for kb links, but it's just for show some facts. Escarina 02.09 http://killboard.red-alliance.info/?op=kill&id=126069 then 02.16 http://killboard.red-alliance.info/?op=kill&id=124552 then 02.28 (even in friendly alliance). I don't post all links u can see it on our kb (if u look on your ally kills) rush-fanatics 02.16 02.18 etc etc. You go so far as to post kill-board links, but don't actually show any links to genuine RA kills. It has already been explained that there were some standings issues with RA friendlies. As proof of SMASH's vile intent you show us a Punisher and an Arbitrator, from about a month ago. You're going to have to do better than that.
Anaximander Monk Mandala Group	Posted - 2007.03.12 08:14:00 - [99] Kill kill kill kill kill! More blood for the blood god! But not so much that theres no coherent force left to kill BoB please..
Moloc Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 08:21:00 - [100] Edited by: Moloc on 12/03/2007 08:20:30 Edited by: Arriadna on 12/03/2007 07:56:21 02.28 (even in friendly alliance). - we were no longer blue at this stage. RED spat the dummy mid Feb, and gave us 72 hours to get out from then. The other two, were not in RA, and were a punisher and an arbitrator? And even then if they asked and were on RED's standings list they would have been reimbursed.
Xendie Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.03.12 08:31:00 - [101] knowing peoke and what he comes up with sometimes im not suprised at some things here. rule of thumb when dealing with peoke is to get him to explicit write the exact agreement ingame in a channel and you take a screenshot of it. couple that with a recording of TS at the same time and save any chatlogs. because 2-3 months down the line the singing is "he did all the work". Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
Moloc Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 08:36:00 - [102] Originally by: Xendie knowing peoke and what he comes up with sometimes im not suprised at some things here. rule of thumb when dealing with peoke is to get him to explicit write the exact agreement ingame in a channel and you take a screenshot of it. couple that with a recording of TS at the same time and save any chatlogs. because 2-3 months down the line the singing is "he did all the work". I've got the chat logs ;) But yeah. It may even be an idea to get someone translate from Peoke > English before you agree :o .
Joann Melekhai Yllestrumpan AB	Posted - 2007.03.12 08:45:00 - [103] Originally by: Tenaka Kahn I love the pity plea seeing as that SMASH recently attempted to invade our space saying that... Your space? Outer Ring belongs to Shivaja. Sorry about the derailing. Good luck to both parties in the coming action.
Ackath Minmatar Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.12 08:47:00 - [104] I think this just shows that RA are interrested only in 10/10 complexes. I am wondering where all that isk is going to? When asked RA goes mental and accuse you of racism. If CCP would be genuinly interrested in stopping isk for rl money sale (other than GTC) I think they should follow closely those RA characters that are doing the complex farming.
arkarsk Provenance.	Posted - 2007.03.12 08:52:00 - [105] Originally by: Ackath I am wondering where all that isk is going to? When asked RA goes mental and accuse you of racism. toot toot Perhaps people just like having isk in their wallets, and the fact that some of these people are Russian changes nothing-- other than your skewed analysis of the situation. ----------------- http://www.eve-provenance.com
Shin Gor Absolute Guardians	Posted - 2007.03.12 08:56:00 - [106] Why does SMASH even care for that complex? You will be dead soon anyways if you continue smacking in lockal and at the forums... And tbh with coplexes being the only thing RA care about to fuel their war they are also the ones who should get it. Don't you think? Or do you really believe that setting up some posses in a system you thought would be yours is some great achievement in the whole process of taking LV down? If you are nothing, do nothing then you will get nothing. Get over it. GOONs get all the LV stations, RA get the 10/10 Plex, you think it is not fair? Well STFU? P.S.: Yes it is true that RA care only about friends that stood by them when the former coalition was pounding on them. Everybody else, should be thanksfull if you have a positive standing to RA, but don't count on it. There is really no reason to if you haven't earned it. ----------- Where there is a will, there is a weapon.
HatePeace LoveWar Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 09:11:00 - [107] Tick Tock.
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.03.12 09:13:00 - [108] Edited by: Major Stormer on 12/03/2007 09:09:57 Originally by: Shin Gor Edited by: Shin Gor on 12/03/2007 09:03:54 A lot of crap So says the RA spy. Never had any respect for RA after your dirty actions. SMASH them. Originally by: Graalum Thats a caldari juggernaut torpedo fired by an ibis.
Ackath Minmatar Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.12 09:15:00 - [109] snip - please stop trolling and posting off-topic remarks. If you suspect someone of selling isk and/or in other ways breaking the EULA, petition it. -Ivan K
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.03.12 09:15:00 - [110] That is so .... BoB is laughing a good deal I bet. And who knows how all the friendly fire happens? Anyway, strange reaction from the RA side. They got warned over and over again to not deal with that known scammer and they still did and got busted. Well... their fault! Maybe it would help if Smash throws out that scammer from their alliance, RA retreats and happy peace to everyone again?
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Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.03.12 09:20:00 - [113] NOTHING surprising. I always knew my choice was right. -
Papa Digger REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 09:24:00 - [114] Originally by: Shin Gor Edited by: Shin Gor on 12/03/2007 09:03:54 Why does SMASH even care for that complex? You will be dead soon anyways if you continue smacking in lockal and at the forums... And tbh with coplexes being the only thing RA care about to fuel their war they are also the ones who should get it. Don't you think? Or do you really believe that setting up some posses in a system you thought would be yours is some great achievement in the whole process of taking LV down? If you are nothing, do nothing then you will get nothing. Get over it. GOONs get all the LV stations, RA get the 10/10 Plex, you think it is not fair? Well STFU? P.S.: Yes it is true that RA care only about friends that stood by them when the former coalition was pounding on them. Everybody else, should be thankfull if you have a positive standing to RA, but don't count on it. There is really no reason to if you haven't earned it. All of you smacking at RA count on their cap fleet to kill your enemies. But somehow you forget that one does need some resources to uphold that fleet and replace the ships after major fights. In wich most of you smackers are NEVER involved in. Another BOB-alt making PR for RA? We don't need it.. thank you. :) ---- CEO.
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.03.12 09:28:00 - [115] Originally by: Papa Digger Originally by: Shin Gor Edited by: Shin Gor on 12/03/2007 09:03:54 Why does SMASH even care for that complex? You will be dead soon anyways if you continue smacking in lockal and at the forums... And tbh with coplexes being the only thing RA care about to fuel their war they are also the ones who should get it. Don't you think? Or do you really believe that setting up some posses in a system you thought would be yours is some great achievement in the whole process of taking LV down? If you are nothing, do nothing then you will get nothing. Get over it. GOONs get all the LV stations, RA get the 10/10 Plex, you think it is not fair? Well STFU? P.S.: Yes it is true that RA care only about friends that stood by them when the former coalition was pounding on them. Everybody else, should be thankfull if you have a positive standing to RA, but don't count on it. There is really no reason to if you haven't earned it. All of you smacking at RA count on their cap fleet to kill your enemies. But somehow you forget that one does need some resources to uphold that fleet and replace the ships after major fights. In wich most of you smackers are NEVER involved in. Another BOB-alt making PR for RA? We don't need it.. thank you. :) How does that make any sense? -
Ilmonstre The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.03.12 09:29:00 - [116] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk ROFL People still trust Miz Cenuij ?! I'm stunned. Take a history lesson people, jeez didnt you know RA dont read the forums and dont listen to people so they make trades with some very well known scammers and sorts and expect to get something out of it besides a less filled wallet. but it could also be easily done so they had a reason or something dumb like that so they could break the the agreement they made earlier.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.03.12 09:31:00 - [117] the level of arrogance is pretty demented here :p since peoke offered to middleman and was ignored, the whole thing smells. could even be scammer=scammed guy and a fast way to pull a "Archiduke Franz Ferdinand" on Smash ------ Relaxed corp recruiting
munchy Prison Break Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.12 09:55:00 - [118] why did you have a known scammer who you would have suspected would have scammed your friends in your alliance? says something about who you recruit abit doesnt it. ---
Fedaykinn Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.12 09:58:00 - [119] Sorry to hear about this guys. If Red valued there isk they would have used the middleman. But they have so much money now maybe they just wanted a reason to attack geminate or something who knows. The whole thing stinks tbh, I like SMASH alot and I hope you push them out of your areas and Ra start attacking Bob again.
Garia666 Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.12 09:59:00 - [120] hehe.. this has been forseen. What happens when mutual goal is gone ? hehe struggle for power starts... ->My Vids<- CCP= More skilz more moneh!
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.12 10:03:00 - [121] Originally by: Splagada the level of arrogance is pretty demented here :p since peoke offered to middleman and was ignored, the whole thing smells. could even be scammer=scammed guy and a fast way to pull a "Archiduke Franz Ferdinand" on Smash You're probably right. You can say a lot of things about RA but they aren't stupid. Gotta hand it to them though, they got what they wanted and the vast majority of their allies don't seem to have a problem with it Keep on rolling RA. -----
Marcathonas Zephyr Manufacturing Group SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 10:06:00 - [122] Originally by: Arriadna Edited by: Arriadna on 12/03/2007 07:56:21 Originally by: Emperor The huge majority of the ships we killed due to friendly fire while flying with RED/GOON were corps that were outside of any alliances, who RED didnt tell us to set blue. once we saw them once, those corps were set blue. Blame youre beloved RED friends for the losses of your ships. Sorry for kb links, but it's just for show some facts. Escarina 02.09 http://killboard.red-alliance.info/?op=kill&id=126069 then 02.16 http://killboard.red-alliance.info/?op=kill&id=124552 then 02.28 (even in friendly alliance). I don't post all links u can see it on our kb (if u look on your ally kills) rush-fanatics 02.16 02.18 etc etc. So how many times (u "saw them once'?) u must be asked to set stenidngs to your allies? And all killed pilots heard only "it's your fault, we haven't positive stendings on your corp". So stop all this bull***t about complexes etc. Respect your allies next time. --------------- RA alt. Our allies were never RA allies. We set them blue because we're wonderful happy fluffy bunnies. And yes, when people are trigger happy on a gatecamp, odds are one or two RA friendly corps who have pilots buzzing around at the gatecamp are going to get shot by someone who's too trigger happy to check corp ticker. And when you say "RA and RA allies", are you talking about the noob corp alts that inevitably claim to have +4s or snakes or whatever? We never set out to attack RA allies, and it's not as if we jumped multiple carriers on known blues. Sig removed as it does not have eve related content. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
Laythun Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.12 10:08:00 - [123] Originally by: Troubadour And so the infighting begins... I knew it wouldn't last. Ooo was waiting for one of these posts Yep its all falling about the HUGE HOUSE OF CARDS just came crashing down!!!! BOB and her lap dogs are victorious, HAIL THE NEW GALACTIC EMPORER MOLLE AND HER ORACLE TROUBADOUR!!!! Please choose a less distracting signature -Sahwoolo Etoophie Black Lance Brother
Ace Frehley Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.12 10:09:00 - [124] Guess you wont share any livestock on the weekands then Girljerms is more lethal then a fleet of 1000 Tempests Yeah I¦m nude, I¦m a swede and I¦m armed with bad jokes [url="http://www.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 10:15:00 - [125] Oh, behold the dramabomb :)
Fedaykinn Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.12 10:25:00 - [126] Originally by: Laythun Originally by: Troubadour And so the infighting begins... I knew it wouldn't last. Ooo was waiting for one of these posts Yep its all falling about the HUGE HOUSE OF CARDS just came crashing down!!!! BOB and her lap dogs are victorious, HAIL THE NEW GALACTIC EMPORER MOLLE AND HER ORACLE TROUBADOUR!!!! LOL ^_^
Tellok adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.12 10:28:00 - [127] rofl, well that took long.
Helina Malinos Caldari Euro Traders	Posted - 2007.03.12 10:29:00 - [128] Dam them Russians, I would have thought there would not be such a need for Isk now if you catch my drift. So BoB getting stronger and the invaders can't even get along.
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.12 10:35:00 - [129] None of this would have happened if they'd just told us where to find Gradenko! Anyone remember?
Laythun Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.12 10:40:00 - [130] Perspective. Entering a war on the proviso that you get to control a 10/10 plex deep in someone elses space...stupido. That aside, i think it makes little difference whether smash and roadkill are in the war or not. Please choose a less distracting signature -Sahwoolo Etoophie Black Lance Brother
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.03.12 10:42:00 - [131] Originally by: Laythun Perspective. Entering a war on the proviso that you get to control a 10/10 plex deep in someone elses space...stupido. That aside, i think it makes little difference whether smash and roadkill are in the war or not. Until said entitys get **ed and decides to go get messy and draw of more coalition forces to yet another front Originally by:** Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.12 10:48:00 - [132] I'm guessing it's only the Coalition that are surprised by this? [EVE TASK BAR?]
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.03.12 10:55:00 - [133] Originally by: Pepperami I'm guessing it's only the Coalition that are surprised by this? i think so. WTS 10 liter bucket for sinking ship draining Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
DeTox MinRohim Madhatters Inc. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 10:57:00 - [134] Originally by: Xelios None of this would have happened if they'd just told us where to find Gradenko! ROFL... you won with that one. Ahem, sorry, please resume... ------ ~~Proud member of the !s~~ I take no responsability for your paranoia ! This sig space is Read-only !
Copine Callmeknau The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 10:58:00 - [135] Originally by: Xelios None of this would have happened if they'd just told us where to find Gradenko! I'm gonna have to make an alt called Jack Bauer now and put him in the corp. -- Considering Miz has been a known scammer for what, 2-3 years now? lol @ RA All this whining of RA about friendly fire incidents? You guys need to harden the ** up :) ----- Originally by:** wrong on so many levels you couldn't be more wrong if you were tuxford
Ivo D Minmatar 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.12 11:03:00 - [136] and so it starts :D i think i won a bet nerf gheyllente.
Manfred Sideous 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.12 11:05:00 - [137] Like SA treated Huzzah in CODA sounds like most alliances are being treated as pawns for RA's complex conquest. Bonus Advice = Remove 10/10 from the game Your Sig Here?
k1Lz Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.12 11:10:00 - [138] And the fellowship of the ring start to fall a part à the beginning of the end for the coalition DELTA is recruiting
TechnoMag Minmatar Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.12 11:12:00 - [139] glad to see finally some small players from LV-RAGOON war start figure they was only simple RA pets, meatguns fighting for RA who's interested only for complex and refining tax. RA will show theyr true faces soon .... just look on the map and tell me what complex from detorid/immesea/wicked creek/scalding pass/curse and other neighbourhood regions is owned by other alliance except RA? I wonder how SMASH figured they will own 10/10 complex. Goons word? That word doesnt worth 0.00001 ISK without RA agreement. RA r the masters rest of u r the puppets! Anyway all my admiration for RA leadership, u really show u know how to use any factor to achieve your goals. Hope your coalition its very happy now when RA doing about 10 complex in this area, owning lots of refinery station and they only showed in the entire war only few times with some dread's. I wonder if CA/TCF/GS receiving any ISK for the hundreds or thousands of the ships lost in the war. EULA 7. CONDUCT A. 1. You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.12 11:16:00 - [140] Edited by: Shin Ra on 12/03/2007 11:12:44 This is not how it happened at all. The version of events your present is very stretched, to say the least. Also, this happened a few weeks ago.
Admiral Feelgood Even-Flow	Posted - 2007.03.12 11:16:00 - [141] RA and SMASH have a disagreement, greatest LV victory to date, random corps rejoice.
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion	Posted - 2007.03.12 11:17:00 - [142] Edited by: Chronus26 on 12/03/2007 11:15:13 Originally by: Copine Callmeknau Originally by: Xelios None of this would have happened if they'd just told us where to find Gradenko! I'm gonna have to make an alt called Jack Bauer now and put him in the corp. -- Considering Miz has been a known scammer for what, 2-3 years now? lol @ RA All this whining of RA about friendly fire incidents? You guys need to harden the **** up :) Lol they have no leg to stand on as far as friendly fire goes. My Ex- Corp has been fired upon several times by RA, despite our membership of the SMASH alliance. RA diplomats were contacted on several occasions yet we were still fired upon. All attempts in local to request RA check standings were ignored. They even jumped 2 Carriers onto our gang in N-RAEL to attack members of our gang who they had incorrect standings set for. They very nearly lost a Carrier that night. All this despite the countless hoops we had to jump through for their numerous 'friendly corps'. Don't talk about friendly fire when you've instigated just as much as SMASH have. EDIT: Oh, and for the record, the general smash population was never really interested in running half way accross the map for a 10/10 we'd never get to run. -----
Ztrain GIT-R-DUN Southern Connection	Posted - 2007.03.12 11:17:00 - [143] Edited by: Ztrain on 12/03/2007 11:15:48 Originally by: Ilmonstre Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk ROFL People still trust Miz Cenuij ?! I'm stunned. Take a history lesson people, jeez didnt you know RA dont read the forums and dont listen to people so they make trades with some very well known scammers and sorts and expect to get something out of it besides a less filled wallet. Of course they don't read the forums. Any extra time they have is spent polishing their Ctl Q Kung Fu. Till next months forum read. This thread was great entertainment, although an't say that I'm surprised in anyway seeing how RA conducts themselves since starting to play this game. Z
Hulkmaster ProductionAlt Bart's House of Brats	Posted - 2007.03.12 11:23:00 - [144] Originally by: Pepperami I'm guessing it's only the Coalition that are surprised by this? No one who has had past experience with Peoke's meth-induced astral space trips is the least bit suprised by this turn of events.
Moloc Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 11:32:00 - [145] okay.... a) This happening after the common goal was removed - This happened while there was still at least half of LV left, I know it seems like a blink between now and then, but it was at least a couple of weeks ago. b) Damn right SMASH made a mistake in recruiting Miz's corp. The directors and CEO's spent just about the whole time he was in the alliance pushing for him to be removed even before this incident. We even went as far as disabling our killboard to stop the egotistical little **** from flooding it with 0.4 gate camping nyx kills. c) This could have easily been worked out, well before this happened we figured out that RA probably wouldn't let us have the complex. As you say, RA's hunger for them is well known. It's the seemingly well ochestrated excuse they used to snatch it that got on our backs. Ok fine, can still be worked out, for the greater good and an oppertunity to fight, SMASH was willing to forgive, and even pay for something that we might have in some small way been indirectly responsible for. And yet... The RA response was round the clock raids for weeks, and now a tower...
PhOeN1x2k Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 11:34:00 - [146] Edited by: PhOeN1x2k on 12/03/2007 11:39:56 nothing to talk about...
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.03.12 11:35:00 - [147] Originally by: PhOeN1x2k Smash... You should not shoot our Pilot when u was +. You should not shoot our Citizens. You should not talk a lot about our mothers, when we come to you just for fun. i r alt i get nerfed Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Tayler Derden Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 11:37:00 - [148] lol all this forums are so funny we suck when we have so many naps and when we break naps we suck too
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion	Posted - 2007.03.12 11:38:00 - [149] Originally by: PhOeN1x2k Smash... You should not shoot our Pilot when u was +. You should not shoot our Citizens. You should not talk a lot about our mothers, when we come to you just for fun. Red... You should not shoot our Pilot when u was +. You should not try to extort ISK out of us. You should not anchor Towers in our home system. -----
Havoc G Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.03.12 11:42:00 - [150] Tbh, a pat on the back goes to the guy who scammed the 10 bil. Good work
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.12 11:44:00 - [151] Originally by: Tayler Derden lol all this forums are so funny we suck when we have so many naps and when we break naps we suck too Top reply, I like it. This gets more and more funny. ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Rin Eyre Minmatar Escarina	Posted - 2007.03.12 11:53:00 - [152] Quote: Dispite our best efforts to stay away from RED and allow them to fight BOB, RED have felt that SMASH is clearly the greater threat and has decided to move on us instead of BOB. Mmm... you know that sometimes people getting tired of POS wars and start looking for light fun? You startd it. Good. You are neutral and officialy shootable. Fight back. Don't whine, don't explain, don't bring hate, money, ebay and whatnot to this game. Don't make it personal, because nothing you win here will help you if/when your POSes start to go into reinforced.
Plan Neun Caldari Ganja Unlimited	Posted - 2007.03.12 12:00:00 - [153] What a mess. I find it strange that RED didn't take the hint/advice from the OP Emperor, I would _never _ever consider invest 10 Billion Isk and buy from a dude that is known to screw up people.
SteelePunk Cybot Galactica	Posted - 2007.03.13 01:30:00 - [154] rofl... "But RA r the good guys... right??" Hope the coalition enjoy the bandwagon cause when BoB is gone, what u think Goons and RA r going to do?
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.13 01:42:00 - [155] I always hate to see formerly friendly alliances fall out like this. It appears to have been preventable. having fought against RA and Smash in the past I have the utmost respect for both alliances. I hate to see them come to blows while BoD is still around. Regardless, good luck to both of you. Hopefully this will get resolved in the near future.
Kanae Minmatar Feral Tendency Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.13 01:43:00 - [156] This make me happy to see Probally first and last time I'll say this but Go Red
Gamble Dakota Immortalis Silens Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.13 01:46:00 - [157] Being fairly good friends with quite a few Smash pilots (Many of them ex corpmates) and having dealt with RA in the past, I'm inclined to listen to Smash. It essentially comes down to RA being a bunch of greedy russian **********'s. ------------------------------------------------- Originally by:** "Nir" There is no place for morality in EVE. I find the correct answer is rarely the truthful one.
hotshit The Taining corp	Posted - 2007.03.13 01:49:00 - [158] guys I think you realy need to talk this out. and not on the forums both side are friends The corp that gives to its members
Firane 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.13 01:51:00 - [159] Alliance politics ftw ^-^ -----
Darpz Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.13 02:00:00 - [160] Edited by: Darpz on 13/03/2007 01:58:49 Originally by: James Britanicus Drakma and Ka-tet leader, This is you, soon you will be Smash, you will be paying them and not having anything yet you throw the same accusations around like they have any meaning. See the light before your cement shoes harden. We were friends before and still are at a pilot to pilot level. RMF still extends to you the olive branch, seriously all ego's aside try to remember who your time, tested and true friends are. Then consider what has happened here. JB Don't mean to derail the thread but couldn't let this one lay. James Britanicus, You obviously don't know Ka-tet. Ka-tet has its own Soveriegn Space, that we are very happy with. We are not in this war to gain more space or resources. If that happens it happens its not our goal our goal. We are in this war because we are friends and allies of RA and Goon. when a Bunch of us then SA formed RAM and later Ka-tet, RA gave us a place to build our resources which then allow us to claim and make a home for ourselfs in 6hl8. That whole time we lived in there space RA treated us with respect. Now we are returning the favour and helping in there war on bob, not only because we are there allies and friends but also because we beleave in the cause, and also if the xSA in Ka-tet get a chance to get some revenge on bob for medelling in our conflicts then all the better . So get your facts straight and know who you are dealing with. We hold no ill will to any of the residence of Feyth, but we do your landlords. you have the option to join with us or fight us its your own choise, as its our choice to to fight on the side we do. if you want to stop the bloodshed contact me or folko Darpzy Out Ka-Tet Diplomat
CAINU	Posted - 2007.03.13 02:54:00 - [161] Originally by: Ephemeral Waves Originally by: CAINU . Post with your main or STFU. For ur infor this is my main on my secound account (empire hauler :)) and if you can not do better that a one liner then FO, For those in the coalition next time ur fighting against bob check how many RA are in the gang with you, thats all the proof you need. My last word on this is keep up the good work
Arlenna Molatov Caldari The 59th Parallel	Posted - 2007.03.13 02:59:00 - [162] This should be NO surprise to anyone here. Anyone who knows about Russians in Eve ( a good portion of them anyways), KNOW they farm every complex they can to make real life money from the ISK they generate. Why do you think there was such a hugh scandel reguarding the broken plexes and ALL Russian corps farming them 23/7 for months on end. RED is in it for the REAL money folks. If you cant see that by now....then you never will. And its pretty sad.
rgreat Gallente OEG Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.13 03:01:00 - [163] Edited by: rgreat on 13/03/2007 03:03:41 Originally by: CAINU For ur infor this is my main on my secound account (empire hauler :)) and if you can not do better that a one liner then FO, For those in the coalition next time ur fighting against bob check how many RA are in the gang with you, thats all the proof you need. My last word on this is keep up the good work Btw, you a not even a russian. :) Different write patterns. Try better next time pls. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Don't worry. I struck you with the back of the sword. Oh, sorry. This sword's double-bladed.
DerButcher	Posted - 2007.03.13 03:52:00 - [164] I like boobs
Aerick Dawn Gallente Feral Tendency Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.13 04:24:00 - [165] Many in Smash are scammers as well. Metagaming to steal pos passwords, ships, isk, server info, etc. Peoke can't deny it either. He's as slimy as they come. Nice to see you cry for your lives in the forums, very poetic. ______________________ If I'm in a fair fight, i've done something terribly wrong.
Grapez SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.13 04:27:00 - [166] Originally by: DerButcher I like boobs I endorse this product and or service. &º¬íí-T«+ºH for all your political humor needs
Raivi Explosion Matrix	Posted - 2007.03.13 04:31:00 - [167] Originally by: CAINU For ur infor this is my main on my secound account (empire hauler :)) and if you can not do better that a one liner then FO, For those in the coalition next time ur fighting against bob check how many RA are in the gang with you, thats all the proof you need. My last word on this is keep up the good work 1st thing, you saying you're in RA is like me saying I'm a woman. Unprovable and false (or is it?....) Anyways... . . 2nd, as has already been mentioned you quite obviously do not write like a Russian. You write like a child who has received an upbringing in English and yet still manages to mangle your pronouns in a foolish attempt to save yourself the effort of typing a few letters. Also, the short form of 'Information' is 'Info' not 'Infor'. 3rd, it doesn't matter if you consider yourself a main or not, in this forum you must be a member of a player corporation and have your corp or alliance showing in order to post. Anyone who claims to know a thing about the politics of this game should know that. You are degrading the quality of this forum, and believe me; that's saying something. ----------------------------------------- Explosion Matrix: Our Name Makes No Sense
Aaron Static Igneus Auctorita	Posted - 2007.03.13 05:12:00 - [168] Originally by: SteelePunk rofl... "But RA r the good guys... right??" Hope the coalition enjoy the bandwagon cause when BoB is gone, what u think Goons and RA r going to do? blob jita?? -- - Igneus Auctorita Video -
Moloc Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.13 05:22:00 - [169] Originally by: Aerick Dawn Many in Smash are scammers as well. Metagaming to steal pos passwords, ships, isk, server info, etc. Peoke can't deny it either. He's as slimy as they come. Nice to see you cry for your lives in the forums, very poetic. lol. You guys had people in your own alliance willing to bump ships out of POS's for us in order to try and ensure a safe escape. Not really our fault they felt that way. At least you seem to have ditched / smothered Mujin Kross, probably the first step you have towards not losing your space again. RATEL have legitmate reasons not to like us, I appreciate that. No one minds being hated for something you actually did. Cry for our lives? There's not a snowballs chance in hell we would lose against RA on our turf. This is more to bring the situation to the attention of people who have been pretending it didn't exist so we can get on shooting other things... Also, I know a guy who sells carriers if you need another one, good to see you use them and lose them at gates without having to be accidentally gang warped there.
Aaron Static Igneus Auctorita	Posted - 2007.03.13 05:25:00 - [170] Originally by: Moloc There's not a snowballs chance in hell we would lose against RA on our turf. quoted for boldness -- - Igneus Auctorita Video -
Monarche Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.13 05:29:00 - [171] Edited by: Monarche on 13/03/2007 05:27:47 Originally by: Aerick Dawn Many in Smash are scammers as well. Metagaming to steal pos passwords, ships, isk, server info, etc. Peoke can't deny it either. He's as slimy as they come. Nice to see you cry for your lives in the forums, very poetic. Lol how did that attempt of trying to jump your carrier through the 5f gate in TDE work out for you Aerick, gang warp ftw I guess. This is also coming from an alliance who puts up a cyno directly on top of an unachored pos jumps a carrier in fitted with all expanded cargo holds and only has three bs escorts and a stabber protecting it. So i figure your accusation of Smash stealing pos passwords and ships is a confabulation for your alliances own short comings. So I am guessing that TDE station is still a bitter pill for poor old ratel to swallow but in the great words of Uncle Chop Chop "Harden the #### up"
NebulousBlur Minmatar Unknown Shoe Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.13 06:16:00 - [172] Originally by: Aerick Dawn Many in Smash are scammers as well. Metagaming to steal pos passwords, ships, isk, server info, etc. Peoke can't deny it either. He's as slimy as they come. Nice to see you cry for your lives in the forums, very poetic. Yes, we steal ships. We will steal ships at towers that we get passwords to. We will scan down ships that log off with aggression timers and kill them. We will find ships parked in space and steal them (which doesn't happen as much since the probe patch made it so easy). We will take advantage of angry people in alliances who want to hurt their former allies in a blaze of drama. We will take advantage of them bumping ships out of pos bubbles and flying them to us for cheap prices. If someone is willing to sell out their friends, we are willing to pay. We don't deny that. Most alliances will take advantage of any of those situations. I'm not sure how one steals isk or what you mean by stealing server info though. If you mean teamspeak/ventrillo info, sure we'll use it when we get it, usually through spies or disgruntled peeps. We don't hack forums or use illegal means to gain access to comms or personal info on our enemies.
Nim9i5	Posted - 2007.03.13 06:26:00 - [173] smash is known for scamming
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.03.13 06:38:00 - [174] this is a thing the coalation dont need atm - 2 linchpins ( d2's smaller allies in smash and RA - looking out for their ISK supply lines only) are now fighting. I would urge bob to launch a massive strike straight at RA on this one. If only because they drop better stuff than Smash do and with smash tied up out of fountain it makes sense Bob has nothing to fear from d2 going into fountain now as they have all but pulled out, compounded with youwhat defecting to the western alliance of bob and friends. Of course u cant be beat RA they just wont lie down until the 10/10 plexs are all formerly nerfed - but if bob go after RA then goonfleet might chance their arm where d2 wont in delve and fountain. Might present a small issue but goons really arent that a big a factor. ANd that really throws most of the coalatiion out - FLA and Mordus mihi have their own issues and with triumvatle out of the mix attacking everyone u have the perfect recipie for a total collapse of the north and east
Boliknar The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.13 06:56:00 - [175] Edited by: Boliknar on 13/03/2007 06:53:20 Originally by: Callthetruth this is a thing the coalation dont need atm - 2 linchpins ( d2's smaller allies in smash and RA - looking out for their ISK supply lines only) are now fighting. I would urge bob to launch a massive strike straight at RA on this one. If only because they drop better stuff than Smash do and with smash tied up out of fountain it makes sense Bob has nothing to fear from d2 going into fountain now as they have all but pulled out, compounded with youwhat defecting to the western alliance of bob and friends. Of course u cant be beat RA they just wont lie down until the 10/10 plexs are all formerly nerfed - but if bob go after RA then goonfleet might chance their arm where d2 wont in delve and fountain. Might present a small issue but goons really arent that a big a factor. ANd that really throws most of the coalatiion out - FLA and Mordus mihi have their own issues and with triumvatle out of the mix attacking everyone u have the perfect recipie for a total collapse of the north and east Might wanna ask LV if they think Goonswarm is a non-factor. Your absolutely right in the picture you have painted the north looks ready to fall. However i think it would be safe to say; That picture was painted while wearing BoB colored glasses if you know what I mean.
Sacura G	Posted - 2007.03.13 07:08:00 - [176] Edited by: Sacura G on 13/03/2007 07:10:40 "RED alliance demands full access to the 10/10 plex, while GOON had already told SMASH that we would be given full access. An agreement is reached where the plex would be split 50/50 so SMASH would get it for 2 weeks of the month, RED the other 2 weeks." Proofs or STFU. I heard that when Goon and RA ask about logs of this negotiation, Smash suddenly lose it.
Reservoir Dog Free Space Tech	Posted - 2007.03.13 07:42:00 - [177] Yeah guys, forget about BoB's dreads. SMASH case is definitely much more important for all parties! So let's flame each other here indefinitely. I bet dbp and the rest of the VIP Crew are enjoying it.
Onchas Erivvia The Andromeda Directorate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.13 10:24:00 - [178] Originally by: Sacura G Edited by: Sacura G on 13/03/2007 07:10:40 "RED alliance demands full access to the 10/10 plex, while GOON had already told SMASH that we would be given full access. An agreement is reached where the plex would be split 50/50 so SMASH would get it for 2 weeks of the month, RED the other 2 weeks." Proofs or STFU. I heard that when Goon and RA ask about logs of this negotiation, Smash suddenly lose it. /emote waves over a mod Could we clean the riff raff out of here please? There are enough problems without people coming in here talking completely out of their asses about things they clearly know absolutely nothing about. ------------------------------------------ 'Teh Onchinator' Personal Assistant to MrsPitman
Tecam Hund The Buggers	Posted - 2007.03.13 11:17:00 - [179] Originally by: Arlenna Molatov This should be NO surprise to anyone here. Anyone who knows about Russians in Eve ( a good portion of them anyways), KNOW they farm every complex they can to make real life money from the ISK they generate. Why do you think there was such a hugh scandel reguarding the broken plexes and ALL Russian corps farming them 23/7 for months on end. RED is in it for the REAL money folks. If you cant see that by now....then you never will. And its pretty sad. An absolutely empty accusation. When you have no evidence you don't throw words like these around. You know, that theoretically you could be banned from the forums for making attacks based on nationality, right? Your posts are all trolling anyway. On the unrelated note: As for "all they care is 10/10 complexes" card... Don't you? Isn't it why the alliances in 0.0 are formed? To secure resources for a limited amount of people. So quit acting like saints. EVE is dog eats dog. I might be wrong, but I think RA don't use pets (at least not extensively), therefore what other natural source of income is there for a PvP alliance? Also, knowing Russian mentality, I can guarantee that they would not betray friends for 10/10 plex; and as was stated before, NAP is not friendship, and technically it wasn't broken. SMASH attacked a positive standing entity in response for it attacking their friends. Maybe they thought that everyone would just copy their standings and the universe would revolve around them, eh.
Nagilam Minmatar Quam Singulari	Posted - 2007.03.13 11:57:00 - [180] RA are your friends and allies...until they get what they want, the complexes. Is it a coincidence NO-ONE is allowed to run the plexes? This is what it is about. Not about the scam of 10 bill. So stop moaning about that because RA dont care. Smash served their purpose and thats that RA will adopt the same approach to you all in that coalition. Just a matter of time. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
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Sean Drake Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.03.13 12:03:00 - [182] snip - if you have this kind of proof, please petition it and provide it to the GMs. -Ivan K As for them not selling out there allies for a 10/10 are you frickin insane these guys would sell there 1stborn/grandmothers/virginity for a 7/7 let alone a 10/10
DeckardIRL Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.13 12:20:00 - [183] Nyx Pilot In this thread is the pilot that scammed RA.... question is will RA stand for this after all... will they send a force to kill him... after all he is usually a low sec pirate? Pretty dumb of Red Alliance so will they kill they guy? Deck _____________________________________________ Xelas Fleet Vice Admiral

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Brenhalde Shadowed Souls	Posted - 2007.03.13 13:42:00 - [185] Originally by: Kyguard I know goons hold SMASH in high regards, it's crap these events went down. I know 99% of LV pilots held -V- in high regards - and they turned on LV DIRECTLY. Personally I don't know much about the coalition or RA, but I do know the history of RA and their abuse of complexes (read: exploiting). SMASH was trying to get between RA and their complex - it's really not surprising something like this would happen.
Relaed Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.03.13 14:48:00 - [186] No one should believe any of this, it's just a ploy. To keep the fight against BoB going, RA has given you a mothership and 10billion in seed money to continue the fight on the front, instead of getting fat and happy in 77s. You took the money, the ship, and still doing RA's work....fighting BoB. The day anyone should believe you and this fabricated story, is the day you set BoB blue.
God's Army Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.13 15:26:00 - [187] Originally by: Aerick Dawn Many in Smash are scammers as well. Metagaming to steal pos passwords, ships, isk, server info, etc. Peoke can't deny it either. He's as slimy as they come. Nice to see you cry for your lives in the forums, very poetic. your time is coming. keep hiding in Drones regions. -- sig got nerfed :R0ADKILL ALLIANCE Killboard
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.13 15:35:00 - [188] Originally by: Callthetruth this is a thing the coalation dont need atm - 2 linchpins ( d2's smaller allies in smash and RA - looking out for their ISK supply lines only) are now fighting. I would urge bob to launch a massive strike straight at RA on this one. If only because they drop better stuff than Smash do and with smash tied up out of fountain it makes sense Bob has nothing to fear from d2 going into fountain now as they have all but pulled out, compounded with youwhat defecting to the western alliance of bob and friends. Of course u cant be beat RA they just wont lie down until the 10/10 plexs are all formerly nerfed - but if bob go after RA then goonfleet might chance their arm where d2 wont in delve and fountain. Might present a small issue but goons really arent that a big a factor. ANd that really throws most of the coalatiion out - FLA and Mordus mihi have their own issues and with triumvatle out of the mix attacking everyone u have the perfect recipie for a total collapse of the north and east BoB have neither the minerals nor desire to "launch a massive strike straight at RA" at the moment.
spoon2 Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.03.13 15:49:00 - [189] Edited by: spoon2 on 13/03/2007 15:47:46 WTS Mothership 10bill. Respect Adsterine :)
Jorja Fox Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.03.13 16:43:00 - [190] Originally by: Relaed No one should believe any of this, it's just a ploy. To keep the fight against BoB going, RA has given you a mothership and 10billion in seed money to continue the fight on the front, instead of getting fat and happy in 77s. You took the money, the ship, and still doing RA's work....fighting BoB. The day anyone should believe you and this fabricated story, is the day you set BoB blue. So SMASH are Merc's now then , payed to fight
DeckardIRL Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.13 16:52:00 - [191] Edited by: DeckardIRL on 13/03/2007 16:50:56 Originally by: spoon2 Edited by: spoon2 on 13/03/2007 15:47:46 WTS Mothership 10bill. Respect Adsterine :) It was Miz Cenuij. Please read the bottom of page 9. Eveyone knows the only non-bloc peeps that have MoMs are The Establishment and Miz.... if RA believed Adsterine was selling a MoM for 10Bn then they are imbiciles. Deck _____________________________________________ Xelas Fleet Vice Admiral
Aerick Dawn Gallente Feral Tendency Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.13 16:57:00 - [192] Quote: your time is coming. keep hiding in Drones regions.Wink We look forward to blowing up more of your dreads. ______________________ If I'm in a fair fight, i've done something terribly wrong.
spoon2 Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.03.13 17:01:00 - [193] Miz or Ad very amusing anyway :)
Moon Dogg Gallente Feral Tendency Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.13 18:51:00 - [194] Originally by: God's Army your time is coming. keep hiding in Drones regions. Not so much hiding if people know where we are now, is it? I mean, we are on a friggen MAP, for God's sake! Sorry you guys had this set in motion by a scammer - never a good thing when it happens. And if things get worse between the Reds and SMASHKill, well, you are a capable bunch of guys, so it will be interesting to watch how you respond. *********************************** "My God, it's full of roids..."
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.03.13 20:13:00 - [195] RA leadership dealt with a scammer - tho i feel it was simply a ruse to take the 10/10 plexes which they so love - better thing might be for CCP to further nerf them bring them more into line with exploration sites - this would simply spread out farming of plexes but would give every alliance a reason to explore and all that jazz. If youre a small pirate outfit that region of space might be a good hunting ground at the moment ( the space just back from the RA-Smash front line) pick off plex runners and the lone pilot
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.03.13 21:15:00 - [196] Look, 10bil ISK is unlikely a source of any complaints for RA. If they now control and farm a 10/10, they'll have made that back in a week, probably less. Unless that 10/10 sucks like the guristas's 4/10 sucks. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Chaomos Skynard The Flaming Sideburn's	Posted - 2007.03.13 21:25:00 - [197] I like the coalition but have been telling everyone not to trust RED. I so enjoy told you soes.... O well, I think that one coalition succeed against BoB (and if no more drop out of war they still can), then RED will take all plexes and nearby space and turn on any who get in their way. They will only keep a few alliances friendly who are too afraid to stand up to them. Such a pity...
Raketefrau Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.13 21:55:00 - [198] What did SMASH do about the scammer pilot? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Valorem ([email protected])
NebulousBlur Minmatar Unknown Shoe Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.13 23:03:00 - [199] Originally by: Raketefrau What did SMASH do about the scammer pilot? He and his corp were kicked from the alliance.
Nadija FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.14 00:26:00 - [200] I'm totally on SMASH's side on this 1... RA were warned, but did listen & now they are blaming SMASH, its just pointless... surelly fightin BOB & co is more important than handbags at 10 paces MY SIG BANNER GALLERY
Nesa Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.14 04:36:00 - [201] Edited by: Nesa on 14/03/2007 04:33:35 Originally by: Aerick Dawn Quote: your time is coming. keep hiding in Drones regions.Wink We look forward to blowing up more of your dreads. We look forward to losing our capital ships in glorious combat heavily outnumbered. Not fully fitted with cargo expanders outside offline or un armed POS's like some people do. BTW, have you finished making us another outpost yet? Originally by: Raketefrau What did SMASH do about the scammer pilot? If he wasn't already gone he was kicked, though the scam and him being shown the door were so close I hear reports he had left 20mins before completing the scam anyway. One day we'll get our own back and reduce the mothership to a nice wreck. But there are other things to do, and you all know how hard it is to kill a super-cap, let alone one that doesn't leave 0.4.
Arakk Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.14 05:30:00 - [202] Originally by: Aerick Dawn Quote: your time is coming. keep hiding in Drones regions.Wink We look forward to blowing up more of your dreads. i personally like when you guys gang warp your capital ships to stargates ;)
Nesa Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.14 06:34:00 - [203] Originally by: Relaed To keep the fight against BoB going, RA has given you a mothership and 10billion in seed money to continue the fight on the front, instead of getting fat and happy in 77s. :o A joke I assume. One thing both sides agree on is that SMASH doesn't have the 10bn or the Mothership, and neither does RA.
Palec Drum	Posted - 2007.03.14 07:31:00 - [204] Originally by: Jorja Fox Originally by: Relaed No one should believe any of this, it's just a ploy. To keep the fight against BoB going, RA has given you a mothership and 10billion in seed money to continue the fight on the front, instead of getting fat and happy in 77s. You took the money, the ship, and still doing RA's work....fighting BoB. The day anyone should believe you and this fabricated story, is the day you set BoB blue. So SMASH are Merc's now then , payed to fight Well DUH... and you say that like it's a bad thing.
Kal'Kalagan Aggressive Tendencies Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.14 11:08:00 - [205] Quote: 2 days after this, RED alliance announces they want to buy a mothership from 1 of the pilots in SMASH who is a known empire pirate and scammer. Peoke informs RED that he is a very high-risk person to deal with and that RED should use Peoke or myself as a middle man to broker the trade of the mothership so that RED does not get ripped off. Why did Smash harbour a known scammer? Sure he had a MS but was that worth all the crap he caused. Scammers are scum in rl and they are scum in EVE and should not be tolerated or harboured. I think SMASH has learnt this lesson the hard way.
Emperor Rome SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.14 12:16:00 - [206] Originally by: Kal'Kalagan Quote: 2 days after this, RED alliance announces they want to buy a mothership from 1 of the pilots in SMASH who is a known empire pirate and scammer. Peoke informs RED that he is a very high-risk person to deal with and that RED should use Peoke or myself as a middle man to broker the trade of the mothership so that RED does not get ripped off. Why did Smash harbour a known scammer? Sure he had a MS but was that worth all the crap he caused. Scammers are scum in rl and they are scum in EVE and should not be tolerated or harboured. I think SMASH has learnt this lesson the hard way. If someone with a mothership or titan offered to join your alliance and help you in your war, im fairly sure you would give him a chance and just warn all your members and allies about him. we did this, and our allies were too dim to listen.
Kanae Minmatar Feral Tendency Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.14 19:36:00 - [207] Originally by: foxden Originally by: Moloc Originally by: Arriadna Omg. D-R-A-M-A. RA and RA friends acording to our kb, lose about 25 ships to Smash "friendly fire" when they have positive standings from us. Killing our ships was a really bad idea, but you were protected by your ally status. Out patience wasn't infinitely, so when stending was reseted guys, which you are killed, make visit to your system. Any losses were reimbursed, or from people that fired first. I think you'll find any other losses were after RA revoked SMASH's standings. And RA allies were shooting SMASH all along. We had to go into a war zone with 'ok RA is friendly, and don't shoot anyone on their standings page, but don't expect the same favour.' .. Fun. Quote: You several times was asked to stop fire and set correct stendings, you didn't do it. It was fun for u to shoot your allies? Fun is over now, when they shoot back? Who is 'you' and who are you? And what do you know anyway? Quote: PS. We don't need your system and your region etc. It was just small revenge of your victims (and their freinds). Well, a) duh. b) if revenge is losing even more.... I really wonder if you realise that a few dozen RED pilots have sparked a war that the rest of their alliance will have to deal with. Seriously, if everyone had the same revenge reflex there wouldn't be 2 people in the game allied. Quote: I really hope both sides wipe each other out. Entirely unlikely. Just alot of messy isk sinking. Who asked you to fly on territory RA and to kill there friends RA living on this territory. You not once warned and not what reimbursed the ships destroyed by you were not. Here log local chat. [23:33:33] El THar > hey man we're + to each other [23:33:36] El THar > what are you doing [23:34:40] Emperor > you are not blue [23:34:52] STHIRE7 > but YOU ARE to US [23:35:00] Emperor > sucks for you then eah? [23:35:25] El THar > i'll tell you ceo and you'll pay us cost of this ship [23:35:38] Emperor > IM THE LEADER OF SMASH ALLIANCE [23:35:40] Emperor > so tell me [23:35:44] Emperor > bring it [23:39:07] El THar > http://standing.red-alliance.info/ [23:39:16] Emperor > are we RED? [23:39:21] Scarton > lol [23:39:27] Emperor > are you fighting LV/BOB with us? [23:39:31] Emperor > if not, why would we set you blue [23:39:44] Emperor > the fact that your RED's friends means nothing to me unless your joining us in fighting LV/BOB [23:45:46] El THar > what, you wanted to say "hi"? [23:46:01] Scarton > actually just to laugh at you some more [23:46:08] Scarton > HAW HAW [23:46:18] El THar > we'll see who'll laugh last [23:46:27] Scarton > hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [23:46:28] El THar > i'll notify my ceo and my alliance's commanders [23:46:30] Scarton > i think i just did [23:46:35] Scarton > hahahahahaha [23:46:39] Scarton > o/ nub Yes this sounds like typical SMASH post some BS crap about how they are getting the short end of the stick all the while they are causing the problems backstabbing and smacktalking
Dal Thrax Caldari Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2007.03.14 20:11:00 - [208] Edited by: Dal Thrax on 14/03/2007 20:13:13 Originally by: Chaomos Skynard I like the coalition but have been telling everyone not to trust RED. I so enjoy told you soes.... O well, I think that one coalition succeed against BoB (and if no more drop out of war they still can), then RED will take all plexes and nearby space and turn on any who get in their way. They will only keep a few alliances friendly who are too afraid to stand up to them. Such a pity... Pardon my ignorance but wouldn't it be quite easy to play spoiler with a 10/10 plex? Just load up a couple EWAR cruisers, scram, jam, damp, bork and let the rats do the work. Sure you can't farm it but um neither can they. Dal
Grapez SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.15 01:17:00 - [209] Originally by: Dal Thrax Pardon my ignorance but wouldn't it be quite easy to play spoiler with a 10/10 plex? Just load up a couple EWAR cruisers, scram, jam, damp, bork and let the rats do the work. Sure you can't farm it but um neither can they. Perhaps we'd rather be fighting than being little bastards? @º¬íí-T«+ºH for all your political humor needs
Lenaria Caldari Draconis Navitas Aeterna	Posted - 2007.03.15 02:59:00 - [210] Originally by: Dal Thrax Pardon my ignorance but wouldn't it be quite easy to play spoiler with a 10/10 plex? Just load up a couple EWAR cruisers, scram, jam, damp, bork and let the rats do the work. Sure you can't farm it but um neither can they. Dal Trust me, ANY plex, let alone 10/10, is a place where only experienced FIGHTERS (and not farmers) survive. Nobody get they plex on the golden plate, and particulary RA have a long history FIGHTING for plexes. As such, every dirty trick was already tryed, and i dont see how SMASH or whoever else can challenge RA on they home ground. =============================================== LV are like little crying babies... Full story
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.03.15 03:04:00 - [211] smash just knock RA about a bit camp their plexes , kill as many as u can till they sue for peace. If they dont sue for peace have fun in fountain make RA chase u and lead em straight into bob. They might stand up and fight instead of doing a d2 and using everyone else instead
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.15 08:22:00 - [212] Originally by: Lenaria Originally by: Dal Thrax Pardon my ignorance but wouldn't it be quite easy to play spoiler with a 10/10 plex? Just load up a couple EWAR cruisers, scram, jam, damp, bork and let the rats do the work. Sure you can't farm it but um neither can they. Dal Trust me, ANY plex, let alone 10/10, is a place where only experienced FIGHTERS (and not farmers) survive. Nobody get they plex on the golden plate, and particulary RA have a long history FIGHTING for plexes. As such, every dirty trick was already tryed, and i dont see how SMASH or whoever else can challenge RA on they home ground. Bull they run the plexes with 4 chars and hardly ever have any backup. Provided your allaince is not all euro professionals having to work right after DT in RL there is nothing easier than stopping them doing the plex. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Allistair Forsyth Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.15 10:36:00 - [213] Originally by: Arakk Originally by: Aerick Dawn Quote: your time is coming. keep hiding in Drones regions.Wink We look forward to blowing up more of your dreads. i personally like when you guys gang warp your capital ships to stargates ;) arrrg, beat me to saying it
Dal Thrax Caldari Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2007.03.15 17:09:00 - [214] Originally by: Grapez Originally by: Dal Thrax Pardon my ignorance but wouldn't it be quite easy to play spoiler with a 10/10 plex? Just load up a couple EWAR cruisers, scram, jam, damp, bork and let the rats do the work. Sure you can't farm it but um neither can they. Perhaps we'd rather be fighting than being little bastards? You know BoB runs 10/10 plex's to.
Evengard Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.15 17:41:00 - [215] Originally by: Dal Thrax You know BoB runs 10/10 plex's to. No, it's RA alts run BOB plexes ___________________ Recon and Intercept
Cupdeez Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.15 17:55:00 - [216] This is a bad situation but I donÆt think SMASH or RA has done the right thing. The 1st things I see is if you know someone would scam your members why even keep him as a member SMASH? Also you are trying to get other alliances involved on issues your alliance created. This is between you and RA, do not get others involved. Yes, RA could have done this just because they want that 10/10 complex but there might be other things that have not been posted that escalated the issue. The 10bl loss could have just been the icing on the cake. Goons tried to get SMASH help by getting them a 72 hour window to get all items out. Whenever this type of thing happens there seems to always be the few members that didnÆt read the eve-mail and since the standings have been changed they just shoot 1st on none blue ships. This type of thing happens all the time. just my feelings about the issue no ones elses. Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Loss Minn Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.19 15:25:00 - [217] Originally by: Emperor If someone with a mothership or titan offered to join your alliance and help you in your war, im fairly sure you would give him a chance and just warn all your members and allies about him. we did this, and our allies were too dim to listen. No offense, Emperor, but all Miz did was gank people in 0.4 ever since he joined the alliance. You guys even disabled your KB for a little while to discourage him. He still did it. And this was ALL during war time. What a waste of a MS. http://pewpew.eve-smash.com/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=4073
Keleanor	Posted - 2007.03.23 17:57:00 - [218] 10/10 complexes is all that REDS have ever cared about. The station in 77s was actually put there by LV specifically to stop REDS from whoring the complex twice a day. The only reason that RA joined the war against BOB/LV was so they could get into more 10/10 complexes. Guess they will do anything including turn on their allies to maintain the complex whoring addiction. Keleanor
Mutant UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.23 20:29:00 - [219] Originally by: Keleanor 10/10 complexes is all that REDS have ever cared about. The station in 77s was actually put there by LV specifically to stop REDS from whoring the complex twice a day. The only reason that RA joined the war against BOB/LV was so they could get into more 10/10 complexes. Guess they will do anything including turn on their allies to maintain the complex whoring addiction. Keleanor RA joined to the war against BOB/LV where you were at the last 1,5 years?
Marticus Hullz	Posted - 2007.03.24 04:49:00 - [220] Emperor, you type like a 5 year old. Go get a dictionary, dude.
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.24 05:24:00 - [221] Originally by: Cupdeez This is a bad situation but I donÆt think SMASH or RA has done the right thing. The 1st things I see is if you know someone would scam your members why even keep him as a member SMASH? Also you are trying to get other alliances involved on issues your alliance created. This is between you and RA, do not get others involved. Yes, RA could have done this just because they want that 10/10 complex but there might be other things that have not been posted that escalated the issue. The 10bl loss could have just been the icing on the cake. Goons tried to get SMASH help by getting them a 72 hour window to get all items out. Whenever this type of thing happens there seems to always be the few members that didnÆt read the eve-mail and since the standings have been changed they just shoot 1st on none blue ships. This type of thing happens all the time. just my feelings about the issue no ones elses. If someone has a mother ship and wants to join your alliance would you honestly say no? We offered to be the middle man, RA will give us the 20B, Miz gives RA the MS, we give miz the 20B, but RA decided to trust miz any way. How are we getting other alliances involved? We want to know their stance on the issue NOW so we don't get an eve mail a week down the line from GOON/TCF/CA/others telling us they're resetting standings with SMASH. Our hope is to give them the facts and for them to remain blue to us and remain neutral in this conflict. RK are our brothers, when we go to war, they go to war and vice versa. What other issues? Icing? Thats an excuse. They demanded 10B, we offered 10B, then they changed their minds and reset standings. Click above for my killboard stats.
Ex Con Ex Deusi	Posted - 2007.03.24 08:46:00 - [222] Red alliance runs everyones plexes this isn't a suprise
Anton Marx Caldari Chrono Ustah Miven	Posted - 2007.03.27 23:54:00 - [223] I'm not gonna take any sides here as it seems that this quarrel leads to nothing but a dead-end. Instead, I would urge people not to generalize ethnic groups as being f*ers and whatnot. People can be bad/evil/f*ers regardless of their nationality. And every nationality has plenty of those. Thanks. P.S.: So what happened after all? Did you resolve the problem?
DaJokr Carebear Collective SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.20 21:31:00 - [224] As far as I know, I still have a green light to KOS. I do as I am told, so until I am told to cease fire, my missles shall continue to fire hard and true to there RA targets.
Antithysis Gallente Athanasius Inc. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.20 22:25:00 - [225] Bad necro! Bad! -Anti- --------

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