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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
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Posted - 2016.08.20 10:00:20 -
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baltec1 wrote:March rabbit wrote:Teckos Pech wrote: I'll say this, interesting idea. However, not sure how many HS miners would want this. Seems that the dominant view expressed by the champions of HS mining is simply: more tank so we can be gank proof in all the ships.
Idea is interesting for sure. The only thing needs to be worked on: workaround for logistics to be usable against attackers and not deal with suspect flag. Else this will only lead to death of the whole fleets. Just to clarify: - fleet is sitting on belt, working on roids, paying attention to surroundings - suicider comes in, attacks one hulk - logistics starts to work and all ships get suspect flag (suicider has LE with target) - more ships warping to belt and killing all the logistics - at the same time defenders (skiffs) are sitting still and doing nothing: they cannot join party because they will be CONCORDed Thats more of an issue with the way crimewatch was set up. Incursion runners, pvp gangs and mission groups have the same problem.
So your suggestion has no merit in hisec, because that is how the mechanics work, its exactly the same with loot scopping through a DST, it is how the mechanics are. This means that CCP has to leave one ship that can be tanked to its current level.
What you have suggested is perfectly fine for null sec and even low sec, but it does not work for hisec where the only metric that counts is surviving the massed firepower of multiple destroyers until CONCORD comes. The Skiffs current tank is right, period.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17961
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Posted - 2016.08.20 10:05:46 -
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Dracvlad wrote: So your suggestion has no merit in hisec, because that is how the mechanics work.
If billion isk incursion fleets manage then so can miners.
Dracvlad wrote: What you have suggested is perfectly fine for null sec and even low sec, but it does not work for hisec where the only metric that counts is surviving the massed firepower of multiple destroyers until CONCORD comes. The Skiffs current tank is right, period.
As already pointed out, ganking makes up a minority of barge losses and under my plan the barges would have ample tank to survive. |
Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
572
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Posted - 2016.08.20 10:07:59 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kenrailae wrote:
Nah, I flew logi all the time. Was usually logi FC/Anchor.
You can do the research if you want.
If you are a logi anchor you deffinatly don't watch netflix and twiddle your thumbs while roaming. Look this is a rather simple thing, nobody supports a mining fleet with logi and dps ships because it is both boring and they get nothing from doing it. By making the very ships that mine able to provide both of those things you have people being rewarded while protecting the mining fleet.
You do if you're sitting on a titan, or just warping gate to gate because there are no fights.
And that's where we disagree. Your simple solution is to change the tools that are in the game for this reason. My simple solution is to use the tools that are in the game for that reason. You want to change them so the 'smart players' have more options, I am of the opinion changing them should be a very careful thing to avoid the hazardous slope of 'you buffed it to do this but now I can't do this because you messed it up the first time so fix it.' You have already watched this happen with Freighters, and the unrelenting stream of 'nerf ganking' threads when there are already more than sufficient tools to effectively negate all but the most serious gank efforts. To you, I'm sure I'm probably appearing to want to keep them in the same cookie cutter for whatever reason. That's not the case. To me, you're indirectly perpetuating the attitude that mining fleets don't need to take steps to do things properly, as most the mining fleets, especially in high sec, won't use that buff for what you intend it for, as it's the attitude behind high sec mining in particular that is problematic.
I've within the last two weeks suggested on multiple occasions that a newbro mining corp use a logistics cruiser so they keep their covetors alive. They refused to, choosing to pursue max ore yield. Consequently, they were ganked.
It is not so simple a thing. Changing ships won't deal with the problem. It'll help a few people, but it'll be just another bad change to many other people.
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17961
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Posted - 2016.08.20 10:16:16 -
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Kenrailae wrote:
You do if you're sitting on a titan, or just warping gate to gate because there are no fights.
Which is different from every other ship in the fleet how?
Kenrailae wrote: And that's where we disagree. Your simple solution is to change the tools that are in the game for this reason. My simple solution is to use the tools that are in the game for that reason. You want to change them so the 'smart players' have more options, I am of the opinion changing them should be a very careful thing to avoid the hazardous slope of 'you buffed it to do this but now I can't do this because you messed it up the first time so fix it.' You have already watched this happen with Freighters, and the unrelenting stream of 'nerf ganking' threads when there are already more than sufficient tools to effectively negate all but the most serious gank efforts. To you, I'm sure I'm probably appearing to want to keep them in the same cookie cutter for whatever reason. That's not the case. To me, you're indirectly perpetuating the attitude that mining fleets don't need to take steps to do things properly, as most the mining fleets, especially in high sec, won't use that buff for what you intend it for, as it's the attitude behind high sec mining in particular that is problematic.
The answer to this is easy. You ignore the idiot that wants an overpowered ship and beat them down when they start to whine for one.
Kenrailae wrote:
I've within the last two weeks suggested on multiple occasions that a newbro mining corp use a logistics cruiser so they keep their covetors alive. They refused to, choosing to pursue max ore yield. Consequently, they were ganked.
Why would they? The guy in the logi gets nothing out of it
Kenrailae wrote:
It is not so simple a thing. Changing ships won't deal with the problem. It'll help a few people, but it'll be just another bad change to many other people.
How is it a bad change for other people?
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Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
573
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Posted - 2016.08.20 10:24:37 -
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Which is entirely the point. If there is nothing going on, then that person(s) isn't doing anything except BS'ing in chat. That doesn't mean you just tell the whole fleet to log out while the hunter is still looking for targets. They sit. And wait. And do nothing.
Yet here we are, still going on with nerf ganking and changing tools that work so they work better against said thing because there's not already enough options for dealing with a problem.
Which is where we come to the attitude of, again, high sec mining in particular. As an industrialist MUST calculate his transit and install costs, a mining FC must calculate her defense cost. The logistics guys would be part of the cuts, as their job is to make sure no hulks are harmed in the making of this profit share.
It would very likely be taken as a bad change because now you have slots and fitting, but not enough to fit for max tank/yield because again, the attitude behind mining is it's not required to take those same steps and deal with some of the same problems that every other fleet must deal with, from the varied roles for 'what if' to the down time as your specific job is not required 100% of the time. Again, you have witnessed this personally with the freighter low slots. 'Yay I have low slots, but I don't have enough CPU to fit anything in them, wtf were you doing CCP.'
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17961
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Posted - 2016.08.20 10:34:55 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Which is entirely the point. If there is nothing going on, then that person(s) isn't doing anything except BS'ing in chat. That doesn't mean you just tell the whole fleet to log out while the hunter is still looking for targets. They sit. And wait. And do nothing.
Key difference here is that logi in fleet has a reward. Logi in a mining op has nothing which is why miners wont do it. They would prefer to be mining and earning isk so why no let them? Give them the ability to take logi and mine. The option to bring a dedicated logi ship is still there and it would provide better reps simply because its a dedicated logi boat.
The statis quo isn't working, something has to change and change radically.
Kenrailae wrote: Yet here we are, still going on with nerf ganking and changing tools that work so they work better against said thing because there's not already enough options for dealing with a problem.
And people will continue to demand more firepower out of their cruiser or faster warp speeds out of their battleship or more tank for their capital. Miners should not continue to get the shaft just because a few idiots call for game braking things.
Kenrailae wrote:
Which is where we come to the attitude of, again, high sec mining in particular. As an industrialist MUST calculate his transit and install costs, a mining FC must calculate her defense cost. The logistics guys would be part of the cuts, as their job is to make sure no hulks are harmed in the making of this profit share.
What makes more profit, a barge with logi capabilities or a dedicated logi cruiser?
Kenrailae wrote: It would very likely be taken as a bad change because now you have slots and fitting, but not enough to fit for max tank/yield because again, the attitude behind mining is it's not required to take those same steps and deal with some of the same problems that every other fleet must deal with, from the varied roles for 'what if' to the down time as your specific job is not required 100% of the time. Again, you have witnessed this personally with the freighter low slots. 'Yay I have low slots, but I don't have enough CPU to fit anything in them, wtf were you doing CCP.'
Ignore them. The good miners will reap the rewards while bad ones don't. |
Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.20 10:49:36 -
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Logi does not have a reward unless they are given one. They often miss out on kill mails, are often the first ones primaried, and often have the hardest job of the entire fleet. Not much reward....
Yes, something does have to change. But just changing ships won't change what needs to change.
Miners get the shaft predominately due to bad or ignorant decisions, both from young and old players alike. NOT because they don't have the means to deal with them.
A barge with logi capabilities is not necessarily going to be fit to do that logi thing. Just because you give a barge the option, does not mean it will be used. Miners have had the option of using links and logi for years now, but choose not to. Precedent is that they will not. A barge that isn't doing its 'job' of logi and loses another barge is costing more than a logi cruiser that always does it's job of logi and saves a barge from being ganked.
Ignoring them doesn't work. Because it keeps going on and on and on and on until CCP makes a change, and its a bad one, and now we're here debating on why it's broken to begin with.
If I had reason to believe that changing barges to do that job like you suggest WOULD be used for that job, I'd be right there with ya. But I absolutely do not. I am completely convinced it will be completely ignored, as have all the other tools for protecting a mining fleet. I would LIKE to see utility cruisers come back. The old exeq was awesome. I would like to see more diverse ORE ships. But I'm not at all in a hurry to just throw another change at a problem without addressing the problem.
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17965
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Posted - 2016.08.20 11:00:28 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Logi does not have a reward unless they are given one. They often miss out on kill mails, are often the first ones primaried, and often have the hardest job of the entire fleet. Not much reward....
Again this shows you are not a logi pilot.
Kenrailae wrote: Yes, something does have to change. But just changing ships won't change what needs to change.
All of the problems with barges are to do with the barges themselves.
Kenrailae wrote: Miners get the shaft predominately due to bad or ignorant decisions, both from young and old players alike. NOT because they don't have the means to deal with them.
I point to the coveotr as an example of why you are wrong.
Kenrailae wrote: A barge with logi capabilities is not necessarily going to be fit to do that logi thing. Just because you give a barge the option, does not mean it will be used. Miners have had the option of using links and logi for years now, but choose not to. Precedent is that they will not. A barge that isn't doing its 'job' of logi and loses another barge is costing more than a logi cruiser that always does it's job of logi and saves a barge from being ganked.
So I guess CCP should not have done the logi rebalance because people might not have fitted them for logi? Thats a moronic argument.
Kenrailae wrote: If I had reason to believe that changing barges to do that job like you suggest WOULD be used for that job, I'd be right there with ya. But I absolutely do not. I am completely convinced it will be completely ignored, as have all the other tools for protecting a mining fleet. I would LIKE to see utility cruisers come back. The old exeq was awesome. I would like to see more diverse ORE ships. But I'm not at all in a hurry to just throw another change at a problem without addressing the problem.
So we should not fix barges because people can still be morons? Again, thats a stupid argument.
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Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
574
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Posted - 2016.08.20 11:09:31 -
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Again, I invite you to do the research.
Again, the tools have existed. Miners have chosen not to use them. Why is it going to change just because you make the tools shinier?
The covetor is the one in worst shape. But even it is still usable with a few basic precautions. Again, with the caveat that there are always gonna be times the other guy just had a bigger stick, and that's Eve.
Not really sure how you came to that. I'm going to guess you're going off the presumption that I'm suggesting people won't refit them after a change. My response to that is some might. But again, the precedent is far and away, miners choose NOT to use tools that are available. No need to start with the attacks.
No, we shouldn't just throw more shiny at it because people aren't doing basic things to ensure a margin of some sort of security. Because again, it will have the snowball effect we've seen with every other change to mining barges and ganking in that now its messed up for this reason and it's not good enough so has to be better. Making them versatile platforms with HAC sized tanks and bigger bays and drone bays and more slots and fittings doesn't specifically fix them. It just makes them different.
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17965
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Posted - 2016.08.20 11:17:28 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Again, I invite you to do the research.
There is a diference between "I have flown logi" and "I am logi".
Kenrailae wrote: Again, the tools have existed. Miners have chosen not to use them. Why is it going to change just because you make the tools shinier?
Because miners now have the option themelves.
Kenrailae wrote: The covetor is the one in worst shape. But even it is still usable with a few basic precautions. Again, with the caveat that there are always gonna be times the other guy just had a bigger stick, and that's Eve.
The covetor is by far one of the most useless ships in EVE and no amount of attitude change in pilots will change this.
Kenrailae wrote: Not really sure how you came to that. I'm going to guess you're going off the presumption that I'm suggesting people won't refit them after a change. My response to that is some might. But again, the precedent is far and away, miners choose NOT to use tools that are available. No need to start with the attacks.
They don't have the tools they need. Miner wont fly logi because it earns them nothing and combat pilots have no interest in sitting around doing fuckall. Again, the stasis quo is not working, has never worked, and will never work. Change is needed to fix the problems that have been with mining for 13 years now.
Kenrailae wrote: No, we shouldn't just throw more shiny at it because people aren't doing basic things to ensure a margin of some sort of security. Because again, it will have the snowball effect we've seen with every other change to mining barges and ganking in that now its messed up for this reason and it's not good enough so has to be better. Making them versatile platforms with HAC sized tanks and bigger bays and drone bays and more slots and fittings doesn't specifically fix them. It just makes them different.
So I guess capital ships should not have been fixed either? Same batty argument of your applies to them as much as it does to the barge changes. |
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Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
576
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Posted - 2016.08.20 11:20:14 -
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Literally just edited my other post :/ See edit.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17965
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Posted - 2016.08.20 11:40:44 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Literally just edited my other post :/ See edit.
Fair enough. |
Solecist Project
32260
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Posted - 2016.08.20 11:47:43 -
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Kenrailae wrote: No, we shouldn't just throw more shiny at it because people aren't doing basic things to ensure a margin of some sort of security. Because again, it will have the snowball effect we've seen with every other change to mining barges and ganking in that now its messed up for this reason and it's not good enough so has to be better. Making them versatile platforms with HAC sized tanks and bigger bays and drone bays and more slots and fittings doesn't specifically fix them. It just makes them different.
I'll just cut this short here.
You are both right.
Ken, what you are missing is the high possibility of a cultural shift away from victimhood.
The current situation is that miners are being told to use skiffs, else they'd get ganked. There wasa time not too long ago, when it wasn't the case like this. In the time between, a shift occurred, that changed the landscape and the barges themselves.
People everywhere say "use a skiff or you'll get ganked". If this had been the case years ago, Hulkaggeddon wouldn't ever have been a thing.
Changing the theme of barges from "ship of a potential victim" to "self reliable mining vessel"* ... (*whatever :P) ... plus designing it in a way that makes it useful for actual combat instead of victimhood ... ... would as well, again, cause a shift.
People would talk differently about mining ships. They would brag about leet kills they made in a hulk. (i foresee "HULK SMASH!!" usage increasing) They would spread the feeling that these ships actually mirror self reliance instead of dependency.
People would teach not anymore about just fitting tank and hoping the best just because it's the least effort to do so. They would start teaching about self defence. Tactics. How to stay safe. They would have actual topics with future miners who will want to be miners with teeth. (doable!)
Now you might say "what about those who want to play afk?" ?
Well, what about them? They'll slowly, but definitely, get replaced by a superior generation of miners, of course.
And that's how it should be, because ... ... afk, even semi-afk, is not a playstyle.
Balancing ships around people who are not playing isn't really a sensible thing to do.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
73
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Posted - 2016.08.20 11:52:32 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Kenrailae wrote: No, we shouldn't just throw more shiny at it because people aren't doing basic things to ensure a margin of some sort of security. Because again, it will have the snowball effect we've seen with every other change to mining barges and ganking in that now its messed up for this reason and it's not good enough so has to be better. Making them versatile platforms with HAC sized tanks and bigger bays and drone bays and more slots and fittings doesn't specifically fix them. It just makes them different.
I'll just cut this short here.
why? we want the long version pls |
Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
576
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Posted - 2016.08.20 12:17:23 -
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Solecist Project wrote:
Ken, what you are missing is the high possibility of a cultural shift away from victimhood.
I will say I never feel like a victim when I'm out doing my noob system boosting. I take many steps to protect my stuff, and do everything I can to ensure I am in as much control of the situation as a player can be in Eve. I acknowledge that eventually someone is going to come along with a bigger stick. But I can also tell you they'll need a really big one. If they bring it, fair. Welcome to Eve.
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2272
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Posted - 2016.08.20 12:53:27 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dracvlad wrote: So your suggestion has no merit in hisec, because that is how the mechanics work.
If billion isk incursion fleets manage then so can miners. Dracvlad wrote: What you have suggested is perfectly fine for null sec and even low sec, but it does not work for hisec where the only metric that counts is surviving the massed firepower of multiple destroyers until CONCORD comes. The Skiffs current tank is right, period.
As already pointed out, ganking makes up a minority of barge losses and under my plan the barges would have ample tank to survive.
We are talking about mining and not incursion runners, the pace is completely different. It is disingenuous to do so.
Ganking makes up the majority of losses in hisec, with the tank you have proposed for the Skiff 80k to 90k you would make every mining ship vulnerable even if they fitted to max tank which is not giving miners the tools for the job. At the moment the Skiff is corretly set up and is the only choice for miners who do not want to be ganked, as long as that choice is left to me with the tank it has now I don't care what else CCP does. As long as they have a ship which people can chose which has a tank that deters the easy complacent gankers then I am fine. 90k does not do it, but the present Skiff does.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.20 13:00:32 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Solecist Project wrote:
Ken, what you are missing is the high possibility of a cultural shift away from victimhood.
I will say I never feel like a victim when I'm out doing my noob system boosting. I take many steps to protect my stuff, and do everything I can to ensure I am in as much control of the situation as a player can be in Eve. I acknowledge that eventually someone is going to come along with a bigger stick. But I can also tell you they'll need a really big one. If they bring it, fair. Welcome to Eve. why is this about you and only about you?
You're not the only one out there. There are tons of people out there getting taught exactly that. You are doing it right, but all these other people who don't, they're who this should be about.
Fine ... at least I've tried! vOv
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2272
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Posted - 2016.08.20 13:01:42 -
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The majority of people who mine in hisec are solo or small entity players, I mine with two toons in my own damn fleet. The damn asteroids are so damn small one and a half cycle is often what I get, I can't share a belt with anyone else, what the hell are you smoking?
Why are you suggesting that hisec miners can sit in some composite fleet like that when the basic resources are so low that it is not worth it. And will get even worse with on grid boosting,
Hisec due to the small size of asteroid belts is not going to be mined by fleets like that, the only pace it happens is ice belts, your suggestions are fine for null sec and low sec, I actually like them for that, but still at the end of the day the Skiff as it is now is the ship that gives balance to hisec, something that the gankers have to up their game to gank.
Outside of the heavily ganked systems many people use the other ships. Why can't players have the choice to mine in a ship that can be tanked above what gankers are comfortable to gank with, why do we have to have that choice removed from us. I see no valid reasons apart from making it easy for gankers.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.20 13:02:32 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Kenrailae wrote:Solecist Project wrote:
Ken, what you are missing is the high possibility of a cultural shift away from victimhood.
I will say I never feel like a victim when I'm out doing my noob system boosting. I take many steps to protect my stuff, and do everything I can to ensure I am in as much control of the situation as a player can be in Eve. I acknowledge that eventually someone is going to come along with a bigger stick. But I can also tell you they'll need a really big one. If they bring it, fair. Welcome to Eve. why is this about you and only about you? You're not the only one out there. There are tons of people out there getting taught exactly that. You are doing it right, but all these other people who don't, they're who this should be about. Fine ... at least I've tried! vOv
It's not. It's about the mentality.
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The NPE IS a big deal
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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.20 13:05:22 -
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Unlike you apparently, others can't read the minds of their opposites...
Formulate your thoughts and write them down?
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.20 13:08:54 -
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What do you need written down?
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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.20 13:10:12 -
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Kenrailae wrote:What do you need written down? Nevermind. Have fun posting.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.20 13:11:59 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Kenrailae wrote:What do you need written down? Nevermind. Have fun posting.
was a legit question. What were you missing/didn't I explain adequately?
Okay though. have fun doing that thing you do.
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The NPE IS a big deal
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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.20 13:17:24 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Kenrailae wrote:What do you need written down? Nevermind. Have fun posting. was a legit question. What were you missing/didn't I explain adequately? Okay though. have fun doing that thing you do. It's fine, I'll jump in eventually, when the conversation reaches an actual point of progression. I guess it's a better way and my fault for expecting something.
Btw, you ignored 90% of my above, medium length, well written post.
Ttyl!
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Trevize Demerzel
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Posted - 2016.08.20 13:19:57 -
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Here's a thought...
Make mining barges immune to warp disruption, sorta like interceptors. That way the AFK miner is still an easy gank target and the miner that is paying attention can just warp off :-)
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Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.20 13:25:33 -
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Bro, I literally spent almost 2 full pages discussing this mentality thing with baltec. That Victimhood thing you mentioned, is what those almost two pages were about from my perspective, which I had felt I'd outlined pretty clear.
I made a commentary that I've never felt like a victim because I DO the things baltec and I were discussing, mostly because you started that sentence by addressing me in it, so I made a commentary response.
You then said I was trying to make it about me and only me? And that I ignored 90% of your well written post?
Quote:"why is this about you and only about you?
You're not the only one out there. There are tons of people out there getting taught exactly that. You are doing it right, but all these other people who don't, they're who this should be about.
Fine ... at least I've tried! vOv"
If this is the one you mean, I responded to it. And had just had a long discussion with baltec the almost two pages prior about this very thing.
Sorry if that wasn't clear. I f I missed something to let me know.
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The NPE IS a big deal
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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.20 13:27:26 -
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Trevize Demerzel wrote:Here's a thought...
Make mining barges immune to warp disruption, sorta like interceptors. That way the AFK miner is still an easy gank target and the miner that is paying attention can just warp off :-)
I... this... I mean .....
Wow, that's worth taking a look at... Holy ****, SO ******* smart to even consider this! :D
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.20 13:33:30 -
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My bad, i'll scan your posting history. Apparently i skipped things switching between threads.
Coffee..l
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.20 13:39:41 -
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It's the OTHER thread we're writing books back and forth
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
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Posted - 2016.08.20 13:54:02 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Trevize Demerzel wrote:Here's a thought...
Make mining barges immune to warp disruption, sorta like interceptors. That way the AFK miner is still an easy gank target and the miner that is paying attention can just warp off :-)
I... this... I mean ..... Wow, that's worth taking a look at... Holy ****, SO ******* smart to even consider this! :D
Venture already has a +2 warpstrength bonus LOL (you thought this was going too far? I say it's already happened lololo) |
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