But to get max boosts you have to deploy the core, dont you? So if you have to deploy it to outmine hulks, and can use the rorqs large cargo to not have to haul. In the end the question is the same. Why even bring exhumers to mining when the Rorq is just plain better? At this rate they might just ditch the mining drones for remote piloted exhumer drones controlled by the rorq.

Same reason stated already, fitted hulks don't cost 2-3bill each and don't have to lock themselves in place for full benefit.

But to get full benefit of the links to normal exhumers etc. you have to lock in the rorqual anyways, is my point.

But to get max boosts you have to deploy the core, dont you? So if you have to deploy it to outmine hulks, and can use the rorqs large cargo to not have to haul. In the end the question is the same. Why even bring exhumers to mining when the Rorq is just plain better? At this rate they might just ditch the mining drones for remote piloted exhumer drones controlled by the rorq.

Hmm Mining drone Augmentors on Rorquals Tee Hee hee.

This is a bad idea. An invulnerable cyno...

We're not planning on changing the restrictions on what ships are allowed into the Rorq SMB at this time. The concern with removing the restrictions is that it would become too powerful combined with the increased jump range.

Check out the specific feedback threads for the Porpoise, Orca, and Rorqual. This thread will be the general purpose feedback thread for everything that doesn't fit into the others.

Thanks in advance for all your constructive feedback!

:Edit:
A couple quick answers to questions we see coming up multiple times:

• We're not planning on changing the restrictions on what ships are allowed into the Rorq SMB at this time. The concern with removing the restrictions is that it would become too powerful combined with the increased jump range.
• The mining foreman ships won't have any ability to mine gas or mercoxit at this time. You'll want to use other ships for mining those substances.

Force rorquals to stay in belt is bad already,
but to give that insane boost to mining of those with industry core active,
that is worst possible thing to do, better simply remove mining boost at all.
Can't imagine the sick brain behind such idea, but it is what will benefit only few biggest alliances, and put in mayor disadvantage EVERYONE else.
Just look at megacyte price, hour after that dev blow, it drop 20%? on price.

So basically everyone is going to forget about this ship just like the Endurance. Nobody in W-space mines ice, because it is only found in C13s, which are very few in number and you cannot set up POSes or citadels there, which means you have to either roll into one or wait for a random connection...which happens approximately never.

No ore belts in wormholes either, just anoms (which don't even spawn half the time) so nobody mines ores in W-space either.

So the porpoise can mine ore and ice, which are either not present or extremely impractical to find in wormholes. But the one resource that is abundant in W-space, the one resource that everyone from newbies to bittervets go after : gas. And you completely block the porpoise from harvesting it in any way or form.

You will literally never see these used in W-space, just like you never see the endurance used anywhere ever. Good job CCP.

I am ok with that for orca and rorqual, but you really should think about any possibility for the porpoise to harvest gas. If not, you won-¦t see this ship used very often.

In HS the Orca will still dominate the mining fleets and everywhere else it will be the rorqual. The porpoise then will not be more than a training ship for mining noobs. Most of them will probably skill directly to orca and get one from their corp.

But with the ability of huffing gas, this ship would be really ideal to boost gas harvesting fleets in any kind of space. Have a look at the venture before prospect was released. How long did young miners use it until they switched to any barge? And how often was it used in any kind of dangerous space to harvest gas?

The porpoise is being made to support gas harvesting fleets. You know it! But without the ability to harvest gas by itself, Gnosis will still be the first choice for that role.

Assuming that barges under rorqual will mine 34% faster but 15% less (19% effective ore yeld in total) with a great threat to rorqual in industrial core there are no things to be happy about.
Plus hulk ore cycle will be 44 sec which is very big stress for pilots running several windows.

Um I has question for CCP please follow the Link. I do my math on paper. Am I insane? I would really like to know.
http://imgur.com/a/9FBdj

Thanks

Materials are for making 500 charges.

500 heavy water at 200 isk per unit. https://market.fuzzwork.co.uk/hub/type/16272/
500 Trit at 6.1 isk per unit. https://market.fuzzwork.co.uk/hub/type/34/
500 isogen at 86.1 isk per unit. https://market.fuzzwork.co.uk/hub/type/37/

(I've bumped the prices a bit from the lowest sell price)

So each charge will cost 292.2 isk to make, plus a little for taxes. call it 320 if you're making in jita (yay for easy division. and making in jita is dumb, as it increases your costs by 10%)

Call it half a million isk for a full days boosting for mining.

Thank you I missed the Batch count statement in the post.

But yes dont make in Jita, and I dont, only use it to check prices.
Still though having to spend 420,638 isk in materials (That I whole heartedly think is waste of materials). This just means I get to charge more on my finished products I guess.
(Possibly go in Orca thread?)
Also if they intend for this to be on grid all the time. Why make the ore hold bigger for the Orca?
Filling it would be pointly then. This becomes a problem because you also have to start calculating travel time to and from station. Using this given time, you can calculate total minerals not lost and get a closer number. Also calculate minerals not mined via loss of boosts... WHY CCP???? WHY MUST YOU MAKE ME RECALCULATE PROFITS!!!!
(Possibly a question that belongs in the Orca thread?)

Do that or just buy a second orca and jet can mine via the Orca

You have the larger bay, to give the people you're supporting more time on grid. With hulks, for example.

Thank you I missed the Batch count statement in the post.

But yes dont make in Jita, and I dont, only use it to check prices.
Still though having to spend 420,638 isk in materials (That I whole heartedly think is waste of materials). This just means I get to charge more on my finished products I guess.