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Snake Doctor
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.22 23:30:00 -
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I've come up with a really fun, long-term project. I can't quite explain what it is at the moment, but does anyone have Rifter artwork, concept art, diagrams, etc?
Specifically, devs and such, can I borrow your drawings?
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Snake Doctor
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.23 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Doctor on 23/03/2007 18:34:53
Edited by: Snake Doctor on 23/03/2007 18:33:58
I'll give you a hint. It's an instruction manual.
XD
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.23 18:39:00 -
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You're writing "Rifters for Dummies"?
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Snake Doctor
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.23 18:47:00 -
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Nah. I had this idea to write the Rifter Flight manual and Repair Guide. There was all that totally nerd talk about it the other day and it got me thinking--- What if someone were to write a TOTALLY BS technical manual, just for the fun of it?
It's sort of a long term deal, but it will be fun. Who doesn't love the rifter? Anyone want to help? I'm totally for round table discussions on whether the modal inertia field dampener is tri-modal or dual... 
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.23 18:49:00 -
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Sounds cool, just remember to put duct tape in the repair section somewhere prominently :)
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Snake Doctor
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.23 19:19:00 -
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Section 8-1. Reccomended Repair Adhesives :)
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.23 19:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Snake Doctor
Section 8-1. Reccomended Repair Adhesives :)
Yeah but this is a Minmatar ship we're talking about. :) Your alphabetic help index will probably end up looking like this:
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Duct Tape; see:
1.2.2 Hull components
1.2.3 Armor plating
1.3.1 Airlock seals
1.7.7 The tractor beam
1.7.8 Cargo management
3.2 Onboard first-aid
3.2.1 Emergency rations
8.1 Recomended repair adhesives
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Dante Chusuk
Golden Aardvark Society
Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.03.23 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Duct Tape; see:
1.2.2 Hull components
1.2.3 Armor plating
1.3.1 Airlock seals
1.7.7 The tractor beam
1.7.8 Cargo management
3.2 Onboard first-aid
3.2.1 Emergency rations
8.1 Recomended repair adhesives
Airlock seals, cargo management and onboard first aid have to be the best here ... maybe under armour plating we could put in "wreckage" as well? 
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Entreri Finwe
Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2007.03.23 21:01:00 -
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Don't forget to include references to the guns, such as the 280 mm artillery!
280mm Howitzer Artillery I
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Esaam DeVries
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.23 21:32:00 -
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Duct tape, see:
Minmatar engineering.
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Snake Doctor
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.23 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Entreri Finwe
Don't forget to include references to the guns, such as the 280 mm artillery!
280mm Howitzer Artillery I
Beautiful!
Noted!
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Snake Doctor
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.24 15:42:00 -
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I've completed the cover of the manual! I'll post soon. It has US ARMY FM feel to it.
I just had this idea that a sony-like user manual would be too Caldari...
Anyway, expect a gritty, overdriven, heavy ink black and white look to this one. Anyone want to help me write the copy? I need Rifter facts, backstory, and info... *COUGH* Concept art would be nice :) That way I wouldn't have to make or draw it all myself!
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Feriluce
Caldari
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.03.24 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Feriluce on 24/03/2007 15:55:28
I'd glady help IF:
1. I knew anything about the rifter
2. I could actually draw anything but stickmen 
GL with your project though 
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Dread Operative
SniggWaffe
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.24 16:09:00 -
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1) Remove gray matter from said duck in my signature.
2) Apply gray matter from said duck in my signature to a large ball of metal.
3) ???
4) Profit.
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Nyabinghi
Minmatar
Khumatari Holdings
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.03.24 16:11:00 -
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I've seen some 3-D renders and other such goodies on EVE Files. There is also a cool Rifter vs Crow video where the Rifter wins.
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Mr M
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Posted - 2007.03.24 16:31:00 -
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An oldie but I really like it. Too bad they never released a bigger version of it. Looking forward to read the the final publication 
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Kalvor Azrael
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.03.24 20:13:00 -
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See this maintenance log. It's for a wolf, but I'm sure the same would apply to a rifter.
Kalvor Azrael
Tahiri Warrior
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Snake Doctor
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.24 21:06:00 -
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GOODIES!!
A cover design... I like it, but I want suggestions.
I loooove this one.
So that's like 8 hours worth of work :) More to come. Text later. suggestions?
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Acerus Malum
Encina Technologies
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.03.24 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Snake Doctor
A cover design... I like it, but I want suggestions.
You referred to the "Republic Navy" which is actually the "Republic Fleet". Other than that, spiffy.
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Snake Doctor
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.24 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Doctor on 24/03/2007 21:38:38
Originally by: Acerus Malum
Originally by: Snake Doctor
A cover design... I like it, but I want suggestions.
You referred to the "Republic Navy" which is actually the "Republic Fleet". Other than that, spiffy.
Ah, crap.
I'll fix it.
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LOL Changes in version .000 to .001
*The "Republic Navy" in the corner now says "Republic Fleet", however the seal still says "Minmatar Republic Department of the Navy"
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Jack StarMule
Minmatar
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
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Posted - 2007.03.24 23:33:00 -
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Great work on the cover! I'm an Army Vet, and it really captures the official US Army manual style very well.
I also happen to be a huge rifter fan. I fly one every chance I get.
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Meirre K'Tun
Brotherhood of the Shadows
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.24 23:49:00 -
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hehe, i love the idea :D
the cover looks WAY to clean though, it's a minmatar ship after all.
the vetical format is better suited for very organzized armys like caldari i think, make it the standarf format, add some duct tape to it (and maybe some quaffe stains and a cigarette burnhole) and it'll look fine.
i think it's hard to begin such a project with a minmatar ship, because here you have to make up almost everything by yourself.
if you take a caldari ship for example, you can just take one of the billion star wars x-wing manuals and get some ideas there.
if you can get your hands on the manual of the german "Tiger" tank of world war 2 (also called "Tiger fibel") you might get some inspiration there, they had a great style of explaining. hard to describe, i'll look if i find a pdf somewhere, but they illustrated everything with very simple examples, so when they tried to explain to the new tanker why they should put their tank in a 45Š angle to the enemy they compared that to cutting a sausage (you have to see the pictures to understand what i mean), but anyways, the style was great.
so if you could add examples like that (and made up short storys like when a verteran duct-taped a smartbomb to a cargo can so that he could blow up ore thieves) that would add a great deal of "realism" to the manual.
well, much text, not so much content, i'm drunk and i like the idea.
in short: keep it coming & good luck with your project
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Snake Doctor
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Posted - 2007.03.25 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Doctor on 25/03/2007 14:36:58
Originally by: Meirre K'Tun
hehe, i love the idea :D
the cover looks WAY to clean though, it's a minmatar ship after all.
the vetical format is better suited for very organzized armys like caldari i think, make it the standarf format, add some duct tape to it (and maybe some quaffe stains and a cigarette burnhole) and it'll look fine.
i think it's hard to begin such a project with a minmatar ship, because here you have to make up almost everything by yourself.
if you take a caldari ship for example, you can just take one of the billion star wars x-wing manuals and get some ideas there.
if you can get your hands on the manual of the german "Tiger" tank of world war 2 (also called "Tiger fibel") you might get some inspiration there, they had a great style of explaining. hard to describe, i'll look if i find a pdf somewhere, but they illustrated everything with very simple examples, so when they tried to explain to the new tanker why they should put their tank in a 45Š angle to the enemy they compared that to cutting a sausage (you have to see the pictures to understand what i mean), but anyways, the style was great.
so if you could add examples like that (and made up short storys like when a verteran duct-taped a smartbomb to a cargo can so that he could blow up ore thieves) that would add a great deal of "realism" to the manual.
well, much text, not so much content, i'm drunk and i like the idea.
in short: keep it coming & good luck with your project
I LOVE that Tiger manual. It reads more like one of those worst case scenario books than a technical document. "Driving the Tiger is just like driving a car". "Be gentle with the controls as you would your girlfriend"... and so on. I've got a copy on my shelf as a tribute to some of the most entertaining tech docs EVER (and probably one of the only ones). I can't read very much of it, but it ALWAYS makes a party piece when I have somoene to translate!
Update:
!!!!! Pages are here.
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Sameth Daret
Original Production Material
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Posted - 2007.03.25 15:06:00 -
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i think i remember seeing that tiger tank thing before on some battlefield forum
Is this it?
cant wait for this to be finished.
best of luck.
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Meirre K'Tun
Brotherhood of the Shadows
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.25 15:38:00 -
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yeah, that's it :D
if you need help translating i can help you.
well, anyways, i would love to see an eve-ship mnual in that style :D
i especially like the pictues (for example the picture of whe woman in the bathtub. it's funny if you understand german. in german bathtub and the lower part of the tanks body have the same name ("wanne")).
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Snake Doctor
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Posted - 2007.03.25 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Meirre K'Tun
yeah, that's it :D
if you need help translating i can help you.
well, anyways, i would love to see an eve-ship mnual in that style :D
i especially like the pictues (for example the picture of whe woman in the bathtub. it's funny if you understand german. in german bathtub and the lower part of the tanks body have the same name ("wanne")).
Oh, she's so making an appearance (or a variation thereof)
"Be sure not to over-drive the yoke as the thrusters may misfire. Be gentle with the controls as you would the mistress of your house." [Insert pic of bathing chick]
LOL
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Rana Ash
Minmatar
Aeon Trinity
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Posted - 2007.03.25 16:57:00 -
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*Applauds your efforts*, this is the kind of manual one would find laying about any matari hangar.
Can hardly wait for the end result
Šon Trinity is recruting, inquire within for details
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Tajidan
Puppets on Steroids
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Posted - 2007.03.25 17:23:00 -
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ooooooh i love your idea m8, and i really would enjoy to help you out with Illustrations.
But to keep it a bit more specific iŠd like to ask you what topics you gonna put in it, cuz there are so many things you could Illustrate that youŠll never be finished ^^ Something like the Index of Winterblink would really help the people out who decide to do wicked stuff for the manual.
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Snake Doctor
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Posted - 2007.03.25 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tajidan
ooooooh i love your idea m8, and i really would enjoy to help you out with Illustrations.
But to keep it a bit more specific iŠd like to ask you what topics you gonna put in it, cuz there are so many things you could Illustrate that youŠll never be finished ^^ Something like the Index of Winterblink would really help the people out who decide to do wicked stuff for the manual.
I've been working on an overview and outline but it's coming pretty slow. If you can get your hands on the US Army manual for the OH-58 (TH-67?), or even AF F-16, that's the kind of thing I'll be using as a model. I'm just trying to work out scale right now---
I was so wrong about the size. It's a lot bigger than i thought it was
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The scale is still off... I'm using the original art from the original site to get the sizes--- 15m high, 65m long. So far, i think my drawing may need to be "tweaked" for length...
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Igneus Auctorita
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.03.25 18:14:00 -
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This is a great idea!!! I love the Rifter (although I like the Slasher better).
I'd be glad to help with anything design or art related if you need it.
I think I can get you the FMs you need. Let me look.
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Snake Doctor
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Posted - 2007.03.25 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal
This is a great idea!!! I love the Rifter (although I like the Slasher better).
I'd be glad to help with anything design or art related if you need it.
I think I can get you the FMs you need. Let me look.
Awesome--- Yeah, I've got stacks and stacks of FM's from various services and companies. What I really need are some ideas for the deck diagrams. I've got the scale worked out and I'll post it after a bit. We're going to have to assume that the dimensions I've drawn are "exactly" 15 meters in height and the average pilot (Not pod) is 2M in height. :) oh, don't worry, there will be a pod docking and retention module (optional)!!!!
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
Seoltachd
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Posted - 2007.03.25 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Snake Doctor
I just had this idea that a sony-like user manual would be too Caldari...
If you ever decide to do a manual for a Caldari ship, I'll be happy to provide instructions in Japanese and the Engrish translation.
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Snake Doctor
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Posted - 2007.03.25 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Marine HK4861
Originally by: Snake Doctor
I just had this idea that a sony-like user manual would be too Caldari...
If you ever decide to do a manual for a Caldari ship, I'll be happy to provide instructions in Japanese and the Engrish translation.
Dude, the Hawk is totally up next... :-D
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Snake Doctor
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Posted - 2007.03.26 12:46:00 -
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More content coming tonight. I don't have the time to work on as much art during the week, but I'll try to get that scale up. I'm still wondering if anyone has any sort of deck diagram or cross section, or if I'll have to come up with that one on my own.
This is a fairly huge project. Input is always welcome... :)
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Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.26 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Snake Doctor
Edited by: Snake Doctor on 24/03/2007 21:09:44
Edited by: Snake Doctor on 24/03/2007 15:42:12
(Original post)I've come up with a really fun, long-term project. I can't quite explain what it is at the moment, but does anyone have Rifter artwork, concept art, diagrams, etc?
Specifically, devs and such, can I borrow your drawings?
Edit:
I've started work on this thing. Being the type to actually enjoy technical writing and engineering, as well as having 12 years background in illustration and publication, this should be FUN AS HELL for anyone who wants to submit information, pictures, fiction, or anything else!
*Did I mention this is simply a fan project? Nothing huge here but filesizes. If CCP tells me to stop, I'll kill it...*
3-24-07 I have a rough draft of the cover! (coverness). It's very Army Field manual...
Here's another- I worked up a side view and thought it would be cool to play with what a really cheap 3 color print would look like. I love it!Cheap tri color
These tak e a while to work up, so probably won't have many more than that for a few days at a time...
Ok if your going to base this on a Army book, dont forget the cartoons on how to do the job. Other then that cool idea. Sombody made lots of money doing the "Star trek" guides.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Worms Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.26 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Snake Doctor
Originally by: Tajidan
ooooooh i love your idea m8, and i really would enjoy to help you out with Illustrations.
But to keep it a bit more specific iŠd like to ask you what topics you gonna put in it, cuz there are so many things you could Illustrate that youŠll never be finished ^^ Something like the Index of Winterblink would really help the people out who decide to do wicked stuff for the manual.
I've been working on an overview and outline but it's coming pretty slow. If you can get your hands on the US Army manual for the OH-58 (TH-67?), or even AF F-16, that's the kind of thing I'll be using as a model. I'm just trying to work out scale right now---
I was so wrong about the size. It's a lot bigger than i thought it was
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The scale is still off... I'm using the original art from the original site to get the sizes--- 15m high, 65m long. So far, i think my drawing may need to be "tweaked" for length...
i think average EVE frigate size is considered around that of a Boeing 747.
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Snake Doctor
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Posted - 2007.03.26 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Doctor on 26/03/2007 19:44:13
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
i think average EVE frigate size is considered around that of a Boeing 747.
Yeah, I worked out the scale using 15m height as a base, also tweaked my drawing a bit.
Here's the scale.
(yes, I know, the 15m is way too high up. Was in a hurry...)
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Nicholas Barker
Caldari
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.03.26 20:37:00 -
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the rifter is alot bigger than you think.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.03.26 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Snake Doctor
Section 8-1. Reccomended Repair Adhesives :)
Yeah but this is a Minmatar ship we're talking about. :) Your alphabetic help index will probably end up looking like this:
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Duct Tape; see:
1.2.2 Hull components
1.2.3 Armor plating
1.3.1 Airlock seals
1.7.7 The tractor beam
1.7.8 Cargo management
3.2 Onboard first-aid
3.2.1 Emergency rations
8.1 Recomended repair adhesives
I think that about covers ALL Minmitar ships
Mods shrank my YARRR button 
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Snake Doctor
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Posted - 2007.03.26 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholas Barker
the rifter is alot bigger than you think.
Oh, totally. I was scaling it and thinking "no way!!" to myself the whole time.
That scale is pretty exacting, assuming the rifter is 65mX15m I will have to do an overhead tonight or something. Expect another drawing Wednesday and maybe a cab deck diagram on Thursday or so.
I am open to submissions on this. I'd love for this to be a cool community project that lots of Eve "Engineers" can get their part into. I'd also love for the Devs to say something, but I know better than to ask outright. I'm sure if it get's big enough, they will either give me a smackdown or some sort of inspiration (hopefully the latter!).
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Nicholas Barker
Caldari
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.03.26 23:05:00 -
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it's about as long as a 747. I have the picture with the scales on but cba to upload it, i think it's on evefiles somewhere.
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Snake Doctor
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Posted - 2007.03.27 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholas Barker
it's about as long as a 747. I have the picture with the scales on but cba to upload it, i think it's on evefiles somewhere.
That sounds about right, if you include the forward radar array on the rifter. 747 is 71M long, give or take.
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Tatsu Tahime
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Posted - 2007.03.27 01:12:00 -
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I am liking what I see! One thing: I remember seeing some concept art in Oveur's presentation to FF last year which showed a rifter in dock, hatch open and someone stepping out. Trying to find a copy of this picture but having no luck so far. This would maybe help set the scale a little...although I do recall thinking it seemed way too small in that shot.
Deck plan: The rifter is mostly engine, given the number and distribution of exhaust vents. There needs to be space earmarked around the engine for the low and medium slot modules, as well as space for the one missile launcher/non-turret high slot module. The 130m3 of cargo space would probably be parcelled up throughout the center, the two front nacelles and the wingtips, as this would make sense for ammunition distribution in what is really a military vessel. Any deck plan also needs to address that always fun debate about crews. The pod pilot is probably in the pod-shaped centre nacelle between the booms, but where is the remainder of the crew? What sort of facilities would something like this have for them and is a portion of the specified cargo space to be used for supplies and the like?
I'd imagine it would be something similar to a WW2 submarine. Cramped, lots of ducts, wiring and panels with minimal consideration for crew comfort or convenience. You could easily squeeze two to three people into a space about 3m x 5m x 2.5m for instance. Of course, then the question of access to the entire ship raises its head. For example, how would an engineer or mechanic crawl to the front nacelles or the wingtips? The booms are not enclosed, so you would need some sort of pressurised access tunnel. Also, given that the Rifter can fly missions involving the transport of passengers at least one of the cargo holds somewhere in the ship needs to be able to accommodate them, ideally in a manner that does not require a major refit. Lugging a couple dozen economy class seats in and out of the ship would not really fit into what I'd expect Minmatar design philosophy to be about. A more likely explanation would be jumpseats that fold into the floor or can be stowed in a similar compact format while making some begrudging considerations to safety and comfort.
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Posted - 2007.03.27 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tatsu Tahime
The 130m3 of cargo space would probably be parcelled up throughout the center, the two front nacelles and the wingtips, as this would make sense for ammunition distribution in what is really a military vessel.
Actually, looking closely at the model in game, the cargo compartment is situated in that central area between the "wings". There is enough room (130m3 is only a little more than 5x5x5)and those 2 big chain loops that run from the central compartment out and forward into the left and right booms carry the ammo to the forward hardpoints. The enclosed section of these booms would probably also contain a maintenance crawlway and the primary power and data chains.
The "pod" in the middle of the ship was probably originally just a pilot's chair with a small, cramped area reconfigurable between sleeping and eating. Now the whole section is probably filled with the pod.
The forward section of the left and right nacelles would contain the intakes for reaction mass as well as the main power plant and capacitor banks and the smaller engines. They would also contain the electricals and hard points for mounting the mid and low slots. The shield generators are the 2 slightly diiferent coloured sections in the middle of each boom and just behind the primary capacitor banks.
The 3 primary engines at the rear are fed with reaction mass drawn in through the large intakes in front of the 2 main engines and supplimented by additional reaction mass delivered from the forward intakes.
The 2 pods near the outer edge of the main wings contain mount points for either missile pods or other high powered modules like energy drainers (although you do need to divert power from one of the turret hardpoints in order to operate both of these missile hardpoints). This problem is resolved in the Wolf class assault ship by strapping on 2 external launcher points and hardwiring them directly into the grid.
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Snake Doctor
Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.03.28 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kolatha
Edited by: Kolatha on 27/03/2007 05:07:40
Originally by: Tatsu Tahime
The 130m3 of cargo space would probably be parcelled up throughout the center, the two front nacelles and the wingtips, as this would make sense for ammunition distribution in what is really a military vessel.
Actually, looking closely at the model in game, the cargo compartment is situated in that central area between the "wings". There is enough room (130m3 is only a little more than 5x5x5)and those 2 big chain loops that run from the central compartment out and forward into the left and right booms carry the ammo to the forward hardpoints. The enclosed section of these booms would probably also contain a maintenance crawlway and the primary power and data chains. The cargo compartment would probably also be pressurised as it provides the only path between the*****pit and the maintenance tubes in the booms. The cargo hold is accessed from the rear and blow the central engine.
The "pod" in the middle of the ship was probably originally just a pilot's chair with a small, cramped area reconfigurable between sleeping and eating. Now the whole section is probably filled with the pod.
The forward section of the left and right nacelles would contain the intakes for reaction mass as well as the main power plant and capacitor banks and the smaller engines. They would also contain the electricals and hard points for mounting the mid and low slots. The shield generators are the 2 slightly diiferent coloured sections in the middle of each boom and just behind the primary capacitor banks.
The 3 primary engines at the rear are fed with reaction mass drawn in through the large intakes in front of the 2 main engines and supplimented by additional reaction mass delivered from the forward intakes.
The 2 pods near the outer edge of the main wings contain mount points for either missile pods or other high powered modules like energy drainers (although you do need to divert power from one of the turret hardpoints in order to operate both of these missile hardpoints). This problem is resolved in the Wolf class assault ship by strapping on 2 external launcher points and hardwiring them directly into the grid.
That's pretty well thought out. I like it--- but what about the pilot's quarters? Shouldn't there be a configuration for long in-space stays?
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Caldari
FIRMA
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Posted - 2007.03.28 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Marine HK4861
Originally by: Snake Doctor
I just had this idea that a sony-like user manual would be too Caldari...
If you ever decide to do a manual for a Caldari ship, I'll be happy to provide instructions in Japanese and the Engrish translation.
For warfare of electrons, to turn into value things consume Bird of Black?
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Posted - 2007.03.28 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Snake Doctor
That's pretty well thought out. I like it--- but what about the pilot's quarters? Shouldn't there be a configuration for long in-space stays?
Well, considering that the design philosophy of the Minmatar tends towards hit and run type tactics, provision for long-term tours of duty might not be as important. The Rifter does strike me as being the sort of ship that depends on either being deployed from a station or carrier/mothership. However there is nothing to say that one couldn't develop a standard and a long-range variant in terms of internal layout. Sacrificing a crew member for instance would add at least another four cubic metres I'd say. You can add a lot in terms of supplies and additional conveniences in that. Expanding personal and provision storage as well as providing slightly more room in the hygiene facilities are two elements that come to mind. Let's not forget that the modular approach to ship fitting would probably also be applied to the internal layout of the ship.
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Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.03.29 06:00:00 -
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More goodies tomorrow! Working on the rest of the views for scale and then Deck diagrams. I figure the main section is 2.5 decks, with*****pit and some storage area. We're talking VERY limited space here....
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Davlos
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.03.29 06:23:00 -
[49]
This is full of awesome. Watching this!
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Snake Doctor
Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:30:00 -
[50]
Update!!!
I'm working on the overhead still. I had some problems with my tablet, but I've reinstalled and worked out the bugs.
Overhead!
It's unfinished, but I thought it would be cool to show my progress! :)
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Posted - 2007.03.30 08:12:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Snake Doctor
That's pretty well thought out. I like it--- but what about the pilot's quarters? Shouldn't there be a configuration for long in-space stays?
I was actually thinking, with the Minmatar philosophy, that it would be more like an oversized truckers cabin (the sleeping bay behind the seating). With just enough room to fit a comfy bed that folds up to give eating and cooking space and enough room for some basic exercise equipment. A small cubicle off to one side for a toilet and you have everything a person can live with (although not very comfortably).
For more comfort you give up some of your cargo space.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 08:46:00 -
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The pod version could of course dispense with some of the amenities non-pod pilots would need. I picture the pod as completely monitoring your body functions, including automatic IV nourishment (which saves a LOT of space otherwise needed for food).
Seeing the Rifter we have in-game is the pod version, ordinary Rifters might well have less cargo space, maybe even less turrets or a different slot layout to accomodate the needs of a crew of 1-5(?) people.
Great idea overall, I'l be happy to work on some specific areas of the writing if you run into a block. Can't draw for crap though.
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.30 14:57:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Tajidan
ooooooh i love your idea m8, and i really would enjoy to help you out with Illustrations.
But to keep it a bit more specific iŠd like to ask you what topics you gonna put in it, cuz there are so many things you could Illustrate that youŠll never be finished ^^ Something like the Index of Winterblink would really help the people out who decide to do wicked stuff for the manual.
Dude, you owe me a drawing first
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Inertia Foryu
Caldari
Quantum Warfare Research and Development
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Posted - 2007.03.31 02:27:00 -
[54]
I noticed you have "Repair" in the title. I know from experience that Structural Repair Manuals can be thousands of pages long (Even typical fleet support repairs). What kind of repairs do you intend on including in your manual?
Cheers,
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Snake Doctor
Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.03.31 03:30:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Inertia Foryu
I noticed you have "Repair" in the title. I know from experience that Structural Repair Manuals can be thousands of pages long (Even typical fleet support repairs). What kind of repairs do you intend on including in your manual?
Cheers,
N.E.R.T.
I thought about that yesterday and came up with one solution:
Very simple field repairs that a skilled pilot would want to know. I.e. What simple fixes can you apply to critical systems to keep from getting screwed.
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Snake Doctor
Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.03.31 03:32:00 -
[56]
I just scanned the front view. It's rather ink-heavy and it will need some love in order to fit the scale. I'll work on it tomorrow and post when I'm done. I'll also have an update on the overhead, command section, and a few deck diagrams. Playing around with it, I've noticed there is quite a bit more space available to the pilot for basic living quarters.
I don't really think I have the talent to do a cutaway, but I'll give it a shot as well.
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Frederick Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2007.03.31 09:32:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Tatsu Tahime
Any deck plan also needs to address that always fun debate about crews. The pod pilot is probably in the pod-shaped centre nacelle between the booms, but where is the remainder of the crew? What sort of facilities would something like this have for them and is a portion of the specified cargo space to be used for supplies and the like?
It's a frigate. One of the fundemental design philosophies around them is that the only crew they need is the pod pilot. It allows them to pull high-g manouvers without worrying about squishing fragile people who aren't in a nice goo filled shock absorbing pod.
Reference for this is Gallente-Caldari War: The War Drones On. Frigate tech was developed by the Caldari in response to Gallente drone tech, once they completed negotiations with the Jovians pods allowed them to reduce crew requirements to one (the pod pilot) in most cases.
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Posted - 2007.03.31 10:36:00 -
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Awesome stuff :)
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Posted - 2007.03.31 14:55:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Frederick Lyrus
Frigate tech was developed by the Caldari in response to Gallente drone tech, once they completed negotiations with the Jovians pods allowed them to reduce crew requirements to one (the pod pilot) in most cases.
That may be true for the high-tech Caldari and Gallente. While the Minmatar do have pod pilots I believe one could make the argument that they may rely on more low tech solutions for some aspects of ship maintenance and operation, including crews. The design ethos of the Minmatar looks to me to be ships cobbled together out of whatever can be found. While they may have advanced to slicker, more sophisticated designs now (as in the Hurricane and Maelstrom), their original designs would probably have used human crews simply because people are an easily available resource. Limiting production capability because you cannot produce, purchase or steal the sophisticated maintenance systems the Caldari and Gallente can put into their frigates would have not been feasible considering that they were engaged in a rebellion at the time most of their ship designs came about.
Is it feasible to consider variations of the Rifter design for this manual? As in track the development from Rifter Mk I through to the T2 variants. Rifter Mk I would have a crew and less sophisticated systems. Rifter Mk II would have more sophisticated equipment, developed as the Minmatar Republic gained some resources and was able to better equip and redesign their ships. Maybe it had one additional crew member to the pilot, just to maintain these systems and be on hand for emergency repairs. Rifter Mk III would finally dispense with the crew altogether, be completely automated and then lead to the T2 variants.
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Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.03.31 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Doctor on 31/03/2007 20:58:30
Oh man, I've been working hard today...
Two new pics.
The command section, semi complete with some approximate measurements. I hurried the engines for the sake of posting, I'll fix them later.
And, of course, the scale.
Before anyone says anything--- The scale is wrong. Remember what I said about the front view needing love to fit the scale? Well, I gave it a lot of love, but I just wasn't able to fix the engines. I'll have to redraw it. Maybe this time I'll think about perspective, etc.
OR you could see it this way:
Mistakes only add to the "Minmatarness" of the manual. Believe me, there will be a few ;)
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Neon Genesis
Gallente
The Landed Gentry
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Posted - 2007.03.31 21:20:00 -
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I like this.
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Motorcycle Emptiness
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.03.31 21:29:00 -
[62]
wow! I don't fly a rifter atm but this makes me want to! and the fact rifters are a lot of fun to fly (^>^)
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.31 22:16:00 -
[63]
once this is done, how much will a copy cost? I was thinking something along the lines of 5 mil isk?
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Snake Doctor
Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.04.01 04:32:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Audri Fisher
once this is done, how much will a copy cost? I was thinking something along the lines of 5 mil isk?
It will be officially declassified by the Minmatar Department of Fleet Operations and the Minmatar Department of the Navy for public dissemination, free of charge, when completed.
However-- any contribution, be it isk, drawings, text, or speculation as to what a photon injector flow modulator, matter reactive syphon regulator, or cross-latteral field stabilizer mount look like will all get a note on a yet to be designed awesome contribution page. Please evemail me or post to this if you would like to contriubute!
There was a post on minnie design philosophy I was going to reply to- I'll get to that later, as I had some thoughts on it as well.
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Slash Harnet
Minmatar
Industrial Services INC
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Posted - 2007.04.01 13:36:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Snake Doctor
3-26-07 The scale drawing is up. Here. Anyone want to help with deck diagrams?
If you can get the front and rear views to the same scale I'll give it a shot (assuming you still wanted help).
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Snake Doctor
Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.04.01 19:17:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Slash Harnet
Originally by: Snake Doctor
3-26-07 The scale drawing is up. Here. Anyone want to help with deck diagrams?
If you can get the front and rear views to the same scale I'll give it a shot (assuming you still wanted help).
The rear of the ship is always in scale, it's just the engines I messed up on. I've been reworking them. Check out that command section drawing. I figured there's about 450m3 of space to be filled with cargo and ammunition, engineering, operations, the*****pit (or pod), and basic living quarters. That main section would make a very nice main cabin and hold...
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DaHeaVYFo
Guardians of Hell's Gate
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Posted - 2007.04.01 19:31:00 -
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Snake Doctor for the win! Nice work mate!
Didn't got to say goodbye to ya! <3 man.
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Posted - 2007.04.01 22:16:00 -
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Edited by: Atienne on 01/04/2007 22:16:12
Hello Mr. Doctor :)
your idea is soooo geeky! thats good :D
i am still missing the cut throuoghs though. so i thought id make my own.. these are 10 minute sketches! so naturally the rez. will be alot higher (basically repainting the parts of the ship in a much higher rezolution to get the details down... right now its just a blurry mess :D but i think the idea comes across..
i dont have much time on my hands.. but i would like to have it in the background.. just adding a bit once in a while.... what actually has to go where, i will leave to you engineering freaks :D i just like to draw it :)
send me an Eve mail if you think it could work :)
black and white
colour
EDIT: Btw. If you need some examples of what i can do. (not that it matters much though.)
please go to the beach :) Linkage
Best Regards.
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Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.04.02 02:51:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Atienne
Edited by: Atienne on 01/04/2007 22:16:12
Hello Mr. Doctor :)
your idea is soooo geeky! thats good :D
i am still missing the cut throuoghs though. so i thought id make my own.. these are 10 minute sketches! so naturally the rez. will be alot higher (basically repainting the parts of the ship in a much higher rezolution to get the details down... right now its just a blurry mess :D but i think the idea comes across..
i dont have much time on my hands.. but i would like to have it in the background.. just adding a bit once in a while.... what actually has to go where, i will leave to you engineering freaks :D i just like to draw it :)
send me an Eve mail if you think it could work :)
black and white
colour
EDIT: Btw. If you need some examples of what i can do. (not that it matters much though.)
please go to the beach :) Linkage
Best Regards.
***Atienne
Dude, I LOVE that*****pit/bridge. Awesome work man! I was thinking of using the rear section for the quarters, though. I sort of thought of the command area as sort of being built like the delta flyer (I know, I know, -300 points for the reference). What I mean is that the top of the craft is translucent or 2-way, and the pilot sits further down in a sort of cramped pilot's chair with allll kinds of dials and low-tech hitech controls. I sort of imagine the rest of the front cabin as systems diagnostics. Pipes and such, too.
Anyway--- awesome work. I checked out your site and it all looks great.
btw- +40 for your levels on the b&w. You may want to burn and dodge it up a little bit, but it looks pretty good!
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Snake Doctor
Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.04.03 18:54:00 -
[70]
Just an update:
I haven' had a whole lot of time to work on drawings and such for a few days, but I'll try to get the deck diagram finished tomorrow.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 19:45:00 -
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You need to create a chapter, or at least a couple pages, detailing the different kinds of duct tape. Come up with a color code and part number for each kind.
High temperature duct tape for securing engine components.
Insulating duct tape for exposed wiring
Sealant duct tape for patching holes
High strength sealant duct tape for joining hull components.
Cold stable duct tape for joining components in absolute zero
Standard duct tape for general use in the pressurized areas of the ship.
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Snake Doctor
Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.04.05 04:56:00 -
[72]
Updsate:
More stuff soon!!!! SOON, soon.
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Gladia Horusthu
Gallente
Anything Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.05 05:05:00 -
[73]
Someone tossed this up in a thread in another forum, thought I'd give you this link: Ship blueprints from back in the day
Unfortunately (or perhaps it is better for this project) the image of the Rifter isn't very good. Dunno if these numbers are still what the Devs use when they talk about having us walk around stations. Thanks to Frightspear for having a bookmark to the images!
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Snake Doctor
Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.04.05 07:35:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Gladia Horusthu
Someone tossed this up in a thread in another forum, thought I'd give you this link: Ship blueprints from back in the day
Unfortunately (or perhaps it is better for this project) the image of the Rifter isn't very good. Dunno if these numbers are still what the Devs use when they talk about having us walk around stations. Thanks to Frightspear for having a bookmark to the images!
When I was working on the overhead, I noticed something. The max breadth in the bp is wrong. I think it came to something like 68...
I'll have another look later...
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Krexus
Amarr
Reunited
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.04.05 08:33:00 -
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Great idea, seriously, one friendly request tho, make it a bit more 'sci fi'- ish. like the battlestar galactica documents, they look just like earth ones but the different shape makes for a nice subtle effect to it
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Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.04.08 06:35:00 -
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I know it's been a while since the last update, but this project is nowhere near dead!
I bought myself a very sexy new DV6338Se and I've been installing all the stuff to it.
I've also taken the obligatory break from all things important to play some CNC3, but ill be back on the manual asap. More art to upload, I just have to clean it up.
As far as text, anyone want to give me a hand with the backstory of how the rifter came to be? Anyone want to explain why the 2000 rifter is so radically different than the 2003-2007 rifter? any concept art out there? fiction? yeah i cant do this alone :P
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DaMaster Architect
SOTI Inc.
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.11 15:13:00 -
[77]
I found this on the eve-website:
http://www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf
It's a nice story about minmatar soldiers, and the rifter. Also, it contains nice drawings of said rifter. Check it out!
I hope it's of use to you, snake :)
Originally by: CCP Oveur
If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar
RONA Deepspace
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Posted - 2007.04.11 15:41:00 -
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Your cover is "gunless" not very rifter like. (Missile/vamp fit rifter????)
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DaMaster Architect
SOTI Inc.
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.11 15:55:00 -
[79]
http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=1_13&page=4
Another nice story on the creation of the rifter. Eve-tribune ftw!!
Originally by: CCP Oveur
If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
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Posted - 2007.04.11 16:08:00 -
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This is definantely the coolest nerdiest thing I've ever seen and when it is complete I will train Mimnatar Frig to 5...and I'm an Amarr who refuses to fly any other flipping ship!
If you want any help with editing I am the Marketing Director of an engineering corp so I always have to edit technical mumbo jumbo to the point that it becomes completely non-sensical in its attempt to be accessible to all.
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Snake Doctor
Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.04.12 07:57:00 -
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Just updating--- still working hard! There will be "Stuff" Saturday!
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Barbarellas Daughter
Lonely Barbarella
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Posted - 2007.04.12 09:04:00 -
[82]
/me bought the minmatar frigate skillbook.
good stuff!
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Garr Anders
Minmatar
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.04.12 12:06:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Snake Doctor
Originally by: Atienne...
http://bierberg.com/rifter1"
black and white[/url]
colour
***Atienne
Dude, I LOVE that*****pit/bridge. Awesome work man!
Just found this and as matari Im just so looking forward to having such a manual, BUT ...
  No*****pit/bridge on a POD driven ship. 
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Snake Doctor
Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.04.12 17:28:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Garr Anders
Originally by: Snake Doctor
Originally by: Atienne...
http://bierberg.com/rifter1"
black and white[/url]
colour
***Atienne
Dude, I LOVE that*****pit/bridge. Awesome work man!
Just found this and as matari Im just so looking forward to having such a manual, BUT ...
No*****pit/bridge on a POD driven ship.
While that's true, this will be the manual for the crewed version. There will be a mention of the pod interface, and I'll show how it's integrated as well.
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Asinia Au
Amarr
The Sobani
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Posted - 2007.04.12 17:44:00 -
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Feel free to use this, expand on it, change it in any way, or discard it entirely:
The Rifter, like all Minmatar ships does not use an actual tractor beam but rather a modified duct tape projector. The idea is that a ribbon of duct tape is fired from a special turret located in the bow of the vessel. When contact is made with the target the duct tape adheres to the surface and the target is then "reeled in" with the duct tape rerolled back onto its original roll.
Disclaimer: I am at work and have not read the whole thread. If a similar idea has already been put forth, I apologize.
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Taran Summers
The Merovingians
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Posted - 2007.04.12 19:26:00 -
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Altrex Stoppel
SniggWaffe
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.04.12 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Altrex Stoppel on 12/04/2007 19:30:34
Duct Tape
Originally by: ISD Mod-hango (talking about SNOWY)
It's a pirate corp, deployed near the amarr gates.
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Khorian
Gallente
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.12 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: Khorian on 12/04/2007 20:08:22
What would a instruction manual be without coffe cup stains?
Cover slightly used
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Dr Slaughter
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.12 21:29:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Khorian
Edited by: Khorian on 12/04/2007 20:19:26
What would a instruction manual be without coffe cup stains?
Love the project. Fantastic design work and I too love the rifter.
I found that if you want something to look really used take it out of the digital domain....
i.e. print it out and 'use' it. Then scan it back in. I used to play 'photoshop tennis' with a friend and one of the best pictures we did involved printing something out, splashing it with 'fake blood' sticking it to some card board and plunging a bread knife through it from behind before taking a picture of it and putting it back into Photoshop for some cleaning up... he never did figure out how the hell I got the reflections on the knife so accurate until I told him :)
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Snake Doctor
Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.04.20 04:58:00 -
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I know I keep promising new stuff, but I've been kind of busy lately. I've got some stuff to scan and clean up, but I haven't been able to get the time lately. I'd really like to have the comm section up this weekend...
Anyway, just an update. Yeah, I'm still working on it, but I haven't really had time to give it 100%, and if it's not at least 95%, I won't upload it.... Soon though.
Just remember, it's a pretty big project! I'm working, but it will take some time :)
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Lynae
Caldari
Cold Steel Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.20 11:36:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Snake Doctor
Just remember, it's a pretty big project! I'm working, but it will take some time :)
Take all the time you need. It looks great, even if I fly only Caldari and Amarr. ;)
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
They're protected by shuttles carrying Templars, Amarr fighter drones used by carriers, but their tanks aren't that strong.
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Mokh'Tar
Minmatar
Desktop Warriors
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Posted - 2007.05.20 06:19:00 -
[92]
This reeks of awesomeness!! :D I love the work you've produced so far.
I'd love to create a model of the rifter and then make the technical drawing of it seen from different angles. I don't know how long it'll take me, or if I'll manage at all, but I'm definitely going to try. Any result I'm sufficiently content about I'll post here.
If you've got any more drawings of the size of the thing I'd love to get my hands on those. :) Keep up the good work. Maybe I'll be able to give you something more for your little project. ;)
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Snake Doctor
Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.05.22 02:36:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Mokh'Tar
This reeks of awesomeness!! :D I love the work you've produced so far.
I'd love to create a model of the rifter and then make the technical drawing of it seen from different angles. I don't know how long it'll take me, or if I'll manage at all, but I'm definitely going to try. Any result I'm sufficiently content about I'll post here.
If you've got any more drawings of the size of the thing I'd love to get my hands on those. :) Keep up the good work. Maybe I'll be able to give you something more for your little project. ;)
If I had a 3d model of the thing, it would make the drawings do much easier!!! I worked up a*****pit today that I really liked. I haven't scanned anything in a while, but I plan on it soon. Just to let ya'll know, I'm still working on it :)
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Tredegar
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Posted - 2007.05.22 19:02:00 -
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Have you considered using Air Transport Association codes, or something similar, for your technical organization?
"I may be a craven little coward, but I'm a greedy craven little coward." Daffy Duck |
Mhaerdirne Solveig
Combustion Industries
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[95]
Originally by: Snake Doctor
Originally by: Mokh'Tar
This reeks of awesomeness!! :D I love the work you've produced so far.
I'd love to create a model of the rifter and then make the technical drawing of it seen from different angles. I don't know how long it'll take me, or if I'll manage at all, but I'm definitely going to try. Any result I'm sufficiently content about I'll post here.
If you've got any more drawings of the size of the thing I'd love to get my hands on those. :) Keep up the good work. Maybe I'll be able to give you something more for your little project. ;)
If I had a 3d model of the thing, it would make the drawings do much easier!!! I worked up a*****pit today that I really liked. I haven't scanned anything in a while, but I plan on it soon. Just to let ya'll know, I'm still working on it :)
everyone has a 3d model of the thing, you can get them out of tri exporter. admittedly it is a little low on polygons.
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Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.22 19:27:00 -
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Amazing work. This just brings to life the huge scale of the equipment in EVE.
Anyone feel like starting on the deck plans and maintenance manual for a Naglfar?
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Mokh'Tar
Minmatar
Desktop Warriors
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Posted - 2007.05.25 18:24:00 -
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That would have been nice if I could, but since CATIA won't accept any of the formats tri-exporter outputs I'm still at square one. Besides, modelling it from scratch at 1:1 scale is half the fun. ;)
It would have been excellent to have access to the measures used by the devs for the rifter, but I reckon I've got a better shot at the lottery jackpot than getting hold of those. :P
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Faye Valerii
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Posted - 2007.05.25 19:14:00 -
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Isn't there a way to get the exported 3D model into autocad ? You'd have all the measures you need then to make your own.
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Falacious Micutoe
Minmatar
Forsaken to the Core
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.06.12 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Falacious Micutoe on 12/06/2007 11:32:49
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Snake Doctor
Section 8-1. Reccomended Repair Adhesives :)
Yeah but this is a Minmatar ship we're talking about. :) Your alphabetic help index will probably end up looking like this:
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Duct Tape; see:
1.2.2 Hull components
1.2.3 Armor plating
1.3.1 Airlock seals
1.7.7 The tractor beam
1.7.8 Cargo management
3.2 Onboard first-aid
3.2.1 Emergency rations
8.1 Recomended repair adhesives
but that just goes for minmatar ships in general =/, super glue, gaffer tape and blue tack, the rifter is the only one that they didn't use duct tape for, probably cos the minmatar slaves kept stealing screws and using them for the rifter design xD
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Tyrnan
Exotic Dancer Talent Agency
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Posted - 2007.07.30 23:34:00 -
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This project still a go?
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Elite
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Posted - 2007.07.31 00:05:00 -
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Hope so.
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Snake Doctor
Second Wave
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.08.30 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrnan
This project still a go?
Yup-- Just haven't had a whole lot of time to work on it 
Still going though!
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.30 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Snake Doctor
Section 8-1. Reccomended Repair Adhesives :)
Yeah but this is a Minmatar ship we're talking about. :) Your alphabetic help index will probably end up looking like this:
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Duct Tape; see:
1.2.2 Hull components
1.2.3 Armor plating
1.3.1 Airlock seals
1.7.7 The tractor beam
1.7.8 Cargo management
3.2 Onboard first-aid
3.2.1 Emergency rations
8.1 Recomended repair adhesives
9.1 Prophylactic
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Snake Doctor
Second Wave
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.09.03 06:37:00 -
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New content soon!
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Sin Meng
Gallente
Knights Of the Black Sun
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.09.03 06:51:00 -
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Woot!
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Alucia Gebir
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2007.09.03 07:49:00 -
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I would like to help, but I don't have time unfortunately. However, for your tech drawings have you thought of drawing the whole thing in a program like AutoCAD. You can then (using the layers system) use little bits, showing only what you want for each diagram.
I do realize that to draw a full technical drawing of an imaginary ship full size in model space would be a bit time consuming though
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Aridia Parker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.09.03 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Gladia Horusthu
Someone tossed this up in a thread in another forum, thought I'd give you this link: Ship blueprints from back in the day
Unfortunately (or perhaps it is better for this project) the image of the Rifter isn't very good. Dunno if these numbers are still what the Devs use when they talk about having us walk around stations. Thanks to Frightspear for having a bookmark to the images!
Actually that one would fit better for a scifi game like eve.
The ones posted on the first page look too much like 1950s.
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Snake Doctor
Second Wave
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.09.03 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Aridia Parker
Actually that one would fit better for a scifi game like eve.
The ones posted on the first page look too much like 1950s.
Heh-- yeah. That's sort of the point, though. I sort of figured that a Caldari would look like the "newer" (or like a Sony manual), while the Minnies have that desperately industrial factor to them. I figured that the US Army style FM's would perfectly fit that, since they are geared towards massive quantities being produced for very little money.
In this case, I take a high res drawing or a high quality drawing and completely tear it up or over ink it. I'd love to use autocad, but it wouldn't lend me the quality (or lack there of) I am looking for. There is a particular model I use to draw from, but decided to go old school and draft everything from that for use with the manual.
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Azia Burgi
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2007.09.15 00:31:00 -
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if you list a the contents page i'd be willing to write some stuff for it. i love the star trek manuals and the star wars cut away books.
shame you aren't doing the kestrel. i could write forever on the kestrel.
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Lani Yul
Caldari
Phaze-9
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Posted - 2007.09.15 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Azia Burgi
shame you aren't doing the kestrel. i could write forever on the kestrel.
Nothing's stopping you from making one for the Kestrel Miss Burgi.
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Azia Burgi
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2007.09.15 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lani Yul
Originally by: Azia Burgi
shame you aren't doing the kestrel. i could write forever on the kestrel.
Nothing's stopping you from making one for the Kestrel Miss Burgi.
apart from my lack of drawing skills. i'll think about it, that is if snake doctor doesn't mind me borrowing his idea.
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
Seoltachd
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Posted - 2007.09.15 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Luigi Thirty
Originally by: Marine HK4861
Originally by: Snake Doctor
I just had this idea that a sony-like user manual would be too Caldari...
If you ever decide to do a manual for a Caldari ship, I'll be happy to provide instructions in Japanese and the Engrish translation.
For warfare of electrons, to turn into value things consume Bird of Black?
For electronic warfare, use the Blackbird = 電子戦争の場合、クロドリを使用しなさい = In case of electronic warfare, use クロドリ.
Apply some minor obsfucation:
"For the purposing of electrons fight, please be using black of colour bird."
I could go a little further and randomly swap the l's and r's around, but I think I'd get complaints.
That Engrish enough for you?
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Snake Doctor
Second Wave
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.09.28 23:57:00 -
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Been busy lately- Also tanked about 500 million ingame recently. Who flies their drone into a smartbomb? Oh yeah, a jerk does. ;) hint hint if anyone feels sympathetic...
Anyway:
I'm still working on the manual though. I'm able to devote a few hours on Saturdays, so it's still going on. I've got some stuff I should upload...
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.09.29 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: Snake Doctor
Been busy lately- Also tanked about 500 million ingame recently. Who flies their drone into a smartbomb? Oh yeah, a jerk does. ;) hint hint if anyone feels sympathetic...
Anyway:
I'm still working on the manual though. I'm able to devote a few hours on Saturdays, so it's still going on. I've got some stuff I should upload...
awesome :)
update your first post again some day!
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Second Wave
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.09.29 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Snake Doctor
Been busy lately- Also tanked about 500 million ingame recently. Who flies their drone into a smartbomb? Oh yeah, a jerk does. ;) hint hint if anyone feels sympathetic...
Anyway:
I'm still working on the manual though. I'm able to devote a few hours on Saturdays, so it's still going on. I've got some stuff I should upload...
awesome :)
update your first post again some day!
:) updated.
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RuriHoshino
Minmatar
The Mission Guys
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:21:00 -
[116]
Here's hoping this project hasn't kicked it yet - I'd really love to see something tangible come out of the previews I've seen so far.
For a few years I worked on a decomissioned Tench-class submarine, and we found a ton of manuals in storage in her - much like this one. In fact, I think I read this exact manual at some point. Probably a bit larger and more comprehensive that you're likely to get, but it might be a good place to get ideas as to layout and the kinds of illustrations they used. Hell, a few of those cutaways might just need a bit of tweaking to fit right into your manual
I'd contribute art, but my art skills are less than crap. If inspiration strikes I might write a few passages regarding ships systems and soforth, that's the kind of BS I can make up in my sleep.
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Lauren Sheaperd
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Posted - 2007.10.18 04:16:00 -
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Edited by: Lauren Sheaperd on 18/10/2007 04:17:25
Great work, I'm using the cover as my desktop background
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Bacci Galu
Eve Defence Force
Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.10.18 04:52:00 -
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Edited by: Bacci Galu on 18/10/2007 04:55:16
EDIT Never mind... :)
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Kala Taki
The Wild Hunt
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.18 05:11:00 -
[119]
When ever I think of the Rifter I always envision a Klingon Bird of Prey. I think it would provide an excellent source of inspiration for the deck layout.
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Zalgar VII
Amarr
MinTek Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.18 08:01:00 -
[120]
You really have something awesome going on there Doctor. The reason why most of us enjoy Eve so much is the fact that we love machines and for the PvP crowd, war machines.
Doing a manual like that feeds this fetish of ours and it enables us to get right down into ships we fly, all naked and spread out.
I bet if CCP ever does a cross section art book of the ships we all fly or official manuals, they will really rake in alot of cash! 
Keep up the very good work and here is to hoping we can get a preview of your work soon.
Cheers!
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Posted - 2007.10.18 10:59:00 -
[121]
Linkage
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RoninData
The Bastards
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Posted - 2007.10.18 12:06:00 -
[122]
This is fantastic, keep up the good work. Can't wait to see the end result.
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