Fast locking T3Ds are a big problem for players wanting to roam out in lowsec and especially nullsec with frigates. A Svipul with a single sensor booster is a faster locker than a Stiletto with a signal amplifier fitted, and without a sensor booster locks faster than the fastest Tech I combat frigate, the Rifter. This has hurt the nullsec roaming meta substantially, and has killed a lot of active-tanked frigate PvP in null. A single Svipul even without a sensor booster forces you to burn away on every jump in, repair your armor, reload your ancillary, giving the Svipul enough time to get ahead of you on the next gate to have to do it all again. In a T1 frigate you can even be insta-popped in ships like the Atron. Needless to say, this is awful gameplay. Especially as the Svipul can achieve this with relatively little sacrifice.

The idea here is to make the sensor benefits of Sharpshooter more finely tuned to GÇ£anti-EWARGÇ¥, and eliminate some of the oppressive gameplay (mostly from the Svipul) with high scan resolutions in Sharpshooter on T3Ds.

This will mean camping Svipuls will have to sacrifice a mid for an extra sensor booster to get close to the same performance as now, which will make them more vulnerable, and they wonGÇÖt be able to casually lock every frigate in the game just by being in Sharpshooter. The addition of damp and weapon disruptor resistance are interesting and will benefit a lot of sniper/kite T3Ds like the Confessor.

oh man!

Cant wait to fly the improved Jackdaw so I can start locking ships at the blistering speed that 350mm scan resolution provides!

Thats 8 seconds to lock a light drone, and 6 sec to lock a frigate. Perfect.

Why do you have to keep making it harder and harder for me to fit oversized microwarpdrives to ships?

Since when have minmatar ever been an in your face brawling faction? Acs are mid range weapons, blasters are close range. Rifters scram kite (albeit terribly) already with acs. As do arty thrashers (that arent instalock fit). Jag is meant to scram kite. Wolf is arguably an in your face brawler, just has a poor slot layout.

The great thing about EVE is that no ship is "supposed" to fit anything, its all up to what the person wants to fly. Minny ships arent known to be robust to throw themselves into the guns of your hecate. So range control is kind of their thing.

These nerfs are simply not enough. There is still no reason whatsoever to fly an assault frig instead of a t3d.

There won't be even if t3ds get nerfed into the ground, assaults just need a balance pass.

...Before grr t3d it was grrr pirate frigs after they were introduced on the server. CCP nerfed them...

About that "nerf".

What happened was "anyone know what a Worm is? ...Never heard of it / never seen one in my life..." to OMG a drone can do wrecking shot??

Drone OP, CCP make nerf zee drone.


CCP: yeah, no good, drone make wrecking shot to poor faction warfare sissies. How about amputation?

After that New Eden got tactical destroyers.

Faction warfare sissy 1 flies sooper-dooper slasher and gets killed by destroyer. After that almost surprising outcome only one thing could be true, destroyer op.

Fact, there is only one of them op.

Yeah so when t3ds were first introduced, you could literally do a x2 asb, 10mn ab, 200mm autocannon svipul that would faceroll over gangs, for under 100mil. They nerfed them a bit, but it is still to the point where t3d's have completely eclipsed:

-All Assault Frigates
-Most Hac gangs that are not cerbs
-Most intie gangs
-Most t1 cruiser gangs

I'd be willing to bet that there isn't a single decent alliance in eve that doesn't have some kind of t3d doctrine at this point.

I'll just do some of the top alliancess on zkill atm:

Project Mayham (#1 most used ship: svipul)
CO2 (#1 most used ship: svipul)
PL (#9 most used ship: svipul)
Pandemic Horde: (#1 most used ship: svipul)
Goons (no t3d's in top ships )
ncdot (no t3d's in top ships )
test ( #4 most used ship: svipul)

Let's look at the most used ships in space atm according to zkill:

Top Ships

Sabre
Sabre8,454
Svipul10,318
Stiletto6,501
Proteus3,547
Malediction5,237
Gila2,987
Tengu2,945
Orthrus3,646
Confessor4,178
Machariel3,565
Cynabal3,280

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

http://imgur.com/a/o5g34

50k ehp before heat, 400 dps, goes 2.2k/s before heat (3k/s with heat...propulsion it goes 3.6k/s before heat and 5.1k/s with heat with a 3.13 second aligntime meaning you are basically top speed in 4 seconds), has a tiny sig, warps at 4.5au/s, aligns faster than inties, is cap stable, has combat probes, an empty highslot for w/e, costs under 100mil WITH FACTION AND T2 RIGS but OH NO, svipuls aren't ******* broken.

Seriously, these nerfs are nowhere near enough to address how broken these ships actually are. The tank is still massive, the warp speed/agility are still going to be great, sure the dps might be decreased but w/e. so you make do with 200-300dps, which is still alot more than anything comparable, you have a massive cargohold, great capacitor life, excellent resists. HELL, you can even lock more targets then a t3 cruiser (7 for a t3d, as opposed to 5 for a t3 cruiser).

About that "nerf".

What happened was "anyone know what a Worm is? ...Never heard of it / never seen one in my life..." to OMG a drone can do wrecking shot??

Drone OP, CCP make nerf zee drone.


CCP: yeah, no good, drone make wrecking shot to poor faction warfare sissies. How about amputation?

After that New Eden got tactical destroyers.

Faction warfare sissy 1 flies sooper-dooper slasher and gets killed by destroyer. After that almost surprising outcome only one thing could be true, destroyer op.

Fact, there is only one of them op.

...Yeah so when t3ds were first introduced, you could literally do a x2 asb, 10mn ab, 200mm autocannon svipul that would faceroll over gangs, for under 100mil. They nerfed them a bit, but it is still to the point where t3d's have completely eclipsed:

-All Assault Frigates
-Most Hac gangs that are not cerbs
-Most intie gangs
-Most t1 cruiser gangs

So, can we get skillpoints refunded for training Minmatar Tactical Destroyer V now? Had I known this when I trained it a month ago I really wouldn't have invested the time.

So T3Ds aside.
Is there any other fit for Frigates or Destroyers now better usable because of the changes to small Artillery?