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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2016.11.07 11:03:23 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:is this thread about improving the game for new people or vets? At this point it's just about whinging and whining because some people don't like the way other people play.
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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
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Posted - 2016.11.07 14:37:00 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:Galaxy Duck wrote:
You're right, they should be taking advice from people who accuse them of being liars, or maybe the folks who think them too incompetent to do basic statistics!
Please continue to try and deflect from the fact that your logic is crap.
P.S. "working" for ISK if for carebears, and carebears are livestock.
The very fact that you consider a sample of 80,000 people to determine whether people actually stay longer or leave due to ganking a basic statistic, means you know nothing about statistics and should not really comment on it.
It's the kind of analysis you'll learn to perform in a basic university-level statistics class.
You sir, have shown on several occasions that you know nothing about the mechanics of this game and should therefor not comment on it. |
Steffles
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.07 14:44:25 -
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Teckos Pech wrote: Okay, so you tell us how safe NS where you live is...then back track totally. Great way to shoot your credibility in the foot.
You should consider writing a short fiction or two and see how you do, pretty good at it.
Hey CPP - Time we put highsec back to how it was originally designed - http://i.imgur.com/GT0T0oS.jpg
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pajedas
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.11.07 16:57:48 -
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Xander Jade wrote:Please comment, and criticism is welcome as long as it is constructive. I'm sorry to say, that will never happen in GD.
The opposite is glorified in this troll rich environment.
I go out knowing that I'm right and that it's a waste of time to argue with people like Ima Wreckyou and Goofy Duck.
Last post...Cheers!
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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
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Posted - 2016.11.07 17:15:37 -
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You rage-quitting again? Man, you really gotta learn to HTFU, Pajedas. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2016.11.07 17:18:06 -
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pajedas wrote:Xander Jade wrote:Please comment, and criticism is welcome as long as it is constructive. I'm sorry to say, that will never happen in GD. The opposite is glorified in this troll rich environment. I go out knowing that I'm right and that it's a waste of time to argue with people like Ima Wreckyou and Goofy Duck. Last post...Cheers! Well maybe if you would actually bring arguments to the discussion instead of plain trolling we would get somewhere. Just because your non-arguments and pure assumptions sounded convincing when you stated them in the AG echo chamber does not mean they are even something a normal person would consider an informed opinion worth addressing.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
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Posted - 2016.11.07 21:15:28 -
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http://puu.sh/s9UBy/2673d91913.jpg
^ Pajedas finally took the hint!
Victory for the New Order! |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3056
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Posted - 2016.11.07 21:19:54 -
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Galaxy Duck wrote:http://puu.sh/s9UBy/2673d91913.jpg
^ Pajedas finally took the hint!
Victory for the New Order! One of those rare forum killmails who got the final blow?
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
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Posted - 2016.11.07 21:23:03 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Galaxy Duck wrote:http://puu.sh/s9UBy/2673d91913.jpg
^ Pajedas finally took the hint!
Victory for the New Order! One of those rare forum killmails who got the final blow?
Lol I think you and Black Pedro should share the credit for completing stomping out his hopes and dreams. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.11.07 21:23:27 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: is this thread about improving the game for new people or vets?
This is "that" thread. You know the one. That one that's always been and likely always will be here. Op changes, conversation never does.
We're Back in Business ,
have your very own Meeny Faced Bastards on call today
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Steffles
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.08 03:27:59 -
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Black Pedro wrote: CCP has a vision for Eve Online, and the best they can do is stay true to that vision. Arguably, and forgive me for drifting into personal opinion here, the changes that have caused the most problems for the game have been oneswhere CCP has strayed too from that original vision of a PvP sandbox in pursuit of more mainstream appeal, although certainly the have also made mistakes in execution of many core ideas along the way.
They have indeed strayed too far from the original vision - glad we agree.
Hey CPP - Time we put highsec back to how it was originally designed - http://i.imgur.com/GT0T0oS.jpg
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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
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Posted - 2016.11.08 06:09:00 -
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"If it was up to me yes absolutely I'd be happy to let people sit in highsec mining, missioning. "
Not in James 315's Highsec. No sir. |
Steffles
University of Caille Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2016.11.08 06:18:16 -
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Galaxy Duck wrote:"If it was up to me yes absolutely I'd be happy to let people sit in highsec mining, missioning. "
Not in James 315's Highsec. No sir. Never heard of him. Sounds like he must be a salty whiney nerd overly emotionally invested in how other people play the game.
Hey CPP - Time we put highsec back to how it was originally designed - http://i.imgur.com/GT0T0oS.jpg
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3056
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Posted - 2016.11.08 06:27:24 -
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Steffles wrote:They have indeed strayed too far from the original vision - glad we agree. It says it should be "quite safe" and "don't complain that you can't pirate easily in 0.6".
It does not say at all that it should be perfect safety and that you can just fill your freighter with billions, activate AP and watch netflix instead or mine AFK with your leveled purple Hulk.
I know you and your carebear friends cry endlessly how easy it is. What you mean by easy is obviously "possible at all". There are not a lot of people doing piracy in Highsec and the ones who do it have quite the logistical and mechanical challenge at hand. Those are people who are invested in it and they organised to even be able to to this, solo, small corps or casual players are already locked out of that gameplay do to constant nerfs.
It is obvious to everyone what your goal is infinity, you cry for years for perfect safety. That will never happen and it does not correspond with the vision you yourself posted in the link above.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.11.08 07:54:53 -
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Galaxy Duck wrote:http://puu.sh/s9UBy/2673d91913.jpg
^ Pajedas finally took the hint!
Victory for the New Order! Not sure why you celebrate a victory though complete stupidity.
The state of these forums are pathetic, it used to be a septic pit, now it has become the home for idiots, who claim victory through the inability to actually argue a point. It is just emotive attacks and broken logic and reasoning.
These forums have fallen so far from being a septic pit to being controlled by the turds. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2016.11.08 07:59:44 -
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Galaxy Duck wrote:http://puu.sh/s9UBy/2673d91913.jpg
^ Pajedas finally took the hint!
Victory for the New Order! Well to be fair to him, he seems to have his priorities in order somewhat:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=498976&find=unread
While I don't agree with his philosophy for the game, I certainly can't fault him for deciding that family is more important at the moment.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3056
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Posted - 2016.11.08 08:11:07 -
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Mark Marconi wrote: Not sure why you celebrate a victory though complete stupidity.
The state of these forums are pathetic, it used to be a septic pit, now it has become the home for idiots, who claim victory through the inability to actually argue a point. It is just emotive attacks and broken logic and reasoning.
These forums have fallen so far from being a septic pit to being controlled by the turds.
Calling other turds and and at the same time complaining the forums are septic really shows what the actual problem is here.
We simply call people out for trying to change the game in their favor. We used to ignore the carebears but they already did too much damage so someone has to challenge their ridiculous ideas. I know discussing with someone who actually challenges your idea and brings facts to the table which go against your preconceived notions is not as pleasant as when you talk about them in your AG echo chamber where everyone will agree with you no matter how stupid and unoriginal your idea is.
But maybe you should work on actually bringing some arguments to the table instead of personal insults, gut feelings and plain denial.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2016.11.08 08:16:54 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Calling other turds and and at the same time complaining the forums are septic really shows what the actual problem is here. +1
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Steffles
University of Caille Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2016.11.08 08:22:40 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Steffles wrote:They have indeed strayed too far from the original vision - glad we agree. It says it should be " quite safe" and "don't complain that you can't pirate easily in 0.6". It does not say at all that it should be perfect safety and that you can just fill your freighter with billions, activate AP and watch netflix instead or mine AFK with your leveled purple Hulk. I know you and your carebear friends cry endlessly how easy it is. What you mean by easy is obviously "possible at all". There are not a lot of people doing piracy in Highsec and the ones who do it have quite the logistical and mechanical challenge at hand. Those are people who are invested in it and they organised to even be able to to this, solo, small corps or casual players are already locked out of that gameplay do to constant nerfs. It is obvious to everyone what your goal is infinity, you cry for years for perfect safety. That will never happen and it does not correspond with the vision you yourself posted in the link above. Uh Huh. It says what it says.
Quote: quite adv 1 to the greatest extent; completely or absolutely you're quite right, quite the opposite 2 to a noticeable or partial extent; somewhat she's quite pretty
It makes sense that he was using Quite in the 2nd example. Given he then said "You should not be able to pirate easily" it makes sense that he was not referring to partially but rather noticeably.
He says "That's the whole point of high sec" and bolded it for emphasis.
We can then safely conclude that killing people in highsec was supposed to be difficult (not easy), that highsec was supposed to be noticeably safe and that the whole point of highsec was to be a place that was quite safe and not easy to pirate in - a place for carebears to exist in while 0.4 and lower, and null was for pirates and others.
Get that into you :)
As for me liking safety, check Infinity Ziona's killboard, check my alt L Dopa's killboard. I play unsafely. My goal is to remove the absurd safety for gankers in highsec and to cause CCP to return it to its original purpose, so subs go up and the game has more development potential and a longer shelf life. Its a goal that is coming to completion soon. I'd bet isk on it (prior to the no betting isk ruling).
Hey CPP - Time we put highsec back to how it was originally designed - http://i.imgur.com/GT0T0oS.jpg
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Raca Pyrrea
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2016.11.08 08:55:52 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:
We simply call people out for trying to change the game in their favor. ... But maybe you should work on actually bringing some arguments to the table instead of personal insults, gut feelings and plain denial.
Isnt that exactly what you do? Trying to keep or change the game in YOUR favor. Whenever opposed by arguments responding insults etc... |
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
2905
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Posted - 2016.11.08 08:56:29 -
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Steffles wrote:Black Pedro wrote: CCP has a vision for Eve Online, and the best they can do is stay true to that vision. Arguably, and forgive me for drifting into personal opinion here, the changes that have caused the most problems for the game have been ones where CCP has strayed too from that original vision of a PvP sandbox in pursuit of more mainstream appeal, although certainly the have also made mistakes in execution of many core ideas along the way.
They have indeed strayed too far from the original vision - glad we agree.
I don't think that post you keep linking means what you think it means. It is referring to 'piracy', which in Eve is the profession of taking other people's stuff for a living, not 'non-consensual PvP' as you seem to be extrapolating it as.
CCP Oveur said you were should "[not] complain that you can't pirate easily in 0.6, you aren't suppose to do it easily." CCP kept to that vision and over the next few years made multiple changes that made piracy in highsec more difficult. They buffed the CONCORD response, buffed EHP of industrial ships, and these nerfs to highsec piracy culminated with the insurance removal for pirates which made highsec piracy all-but-extinct. It is now extremely difficult to make a living as a pirate with only bling-fit mission runners/miners and overloaded haulers existing as viable targets, none of which are viable targets for solo pirates, and there are only a small number of players left who have organized, and are grouping up to do it.
This is perfectly fine with me. There are good reasons to have a safer space where there is no financial incentive (actually, strong financial and other disincentives) to shoot the other players. This prevents most wanton violence and give space for new, solo and casual players to live, as well as other players a place to conduct trade and regroup if beaten out of the other spaces. You should be able to make yourself mostly safe in highsec if you take precautions, and that is exactly what we have now where if you fit and haul responsibly, there is no game reason for anyone to shoot you. But there still are consequences for imprudence and game decisions which is what keeps Eve a competitive game rather than just an exercise in building a spreadsheet to calculate max yield and then AFKing your way to riches.
Eve is a PvP sandbox however, and one designed with player-player 'griefing' as the central vision of the game:
Torfi Frans Ólafsson wrote:GÇ£Eve is very dark,GÇ¥ confirms creative director Torfi Frans Ólafsson. GÇ£ItGÇÖs harsh. It is supposed to be unforgiving. The original designers played a lot of Ultima Online, which was a fantastic sandbox game, and it allowed you to be very devious and very immoral in the way that you played. What they loved about it is that player killers, the griefers GÇô people who just went around and killed other people GÇô became so unpopular that other people banded together. Good started fighting evil, and without true evil you canGÇÖt have true good. So you had these bands of righteous people chasing player killers, and those player killers were the original Eve designers; they created a game about that mechanic.GÇ¥ Highsec is not suppose to be immune from this non-consensual PvP. While much of it has been nerfed from the game to give more safety to highsec, there are still wars and suicide ganking, both which have been confirmed many times, by multiple CCP developers in many places to be intended and integral parts of their vision of the game.
So while CCP has strayed from their original vision at times, the current amount of safety in highsec is not one of those cases. Highsec is not safesec, and appears to be working exactly as CCP intended all those years ago. In fact, highsec is mechanically safer than it ever has been in the long history of the game.
The 8 Golden Rules of Eve
Why Do They Gank?
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3059
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Posted - 2016.11.08 09:17:11 -
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Steffles wrote: We can then safely conclude that killing people in highsec was supposed to be difficult (not easy), that highsec was supposed to be noticeably safe and that the whole point of highsec was to be a place that was quite safe and not easy to pirate in - a place for carebears to exist in while 0.4 and lower, and null was for pirates and others.
Get that into you :)
I don't agree with your sentiment that Highsec is not already safe enough. More safety means more complacent carebears and fatter Freighters, this we already have and it will only get worse from here.
Gankers have to organize quite a lot to make their activity even viable. It is true that we have found workarounds for the NPC responses etc. But if you think making even more ridiculous mechanics for even more safety will change something you are completely delusional. The system will always balance itself out. The more safer the carebears feel the bigger the Freighters will get and the more reward is in it for a corp which organizes on a level they can overcome the barriers against piracy in Highsec. There are already only two alliances left which can do that on a regular basis. Small entities are completely locked out by now.
CCP has to shut down Highsec aggression completely if you want to prevent Highsec piracy which is obviously what you want. This on the other hand will completely devalue all resources found in Highsec because AFWK gameplay will be the norm and everyone would be stupid not to mine in a faction fitted mining ship or move as much as they like without any risk at all in cargo expanded Freighter.
td:dr: - More security means more reward to big alliances where the small pirate is completely locked out. - Perfect security means complete devaluation of Highsec resources.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Steffles
University of Caille Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2016.11.08 10:00:36 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Steffles wrote:Black Pedro wrote: CCP has a vision for Eve Online, and the best they can do is stay true to that vision. Arguably, and forgive me for drifting into personal opinion here, the changes that have caused the most problems for the game have been oneswhere CCP has strayed too from that original vision of a PvP sandbox in pursuit of more mainstream appeal, although certainly the have also made mistakes in execution of many core ideas along the way.
They have indeed strayed too far from the original vision - glad we agree. I don't think that post you keep linking means what you think it means. It is referring to 'piracy', which in Eve is the profession of taking other people's stuff for a living, not 'non-consensual PvP' as you seem to be extrapolating it as. CCP Oveur said you were should "[not] complain that you can't pirate easily in 0.6, you aren't suppose to do it easily." CCP kept to that vision and over the next few years made multiple changes that made piracy in highsec more difficult. They buffed the CONCORD response, buffed EHP of industrial ships, and these nerfs to highsec piracy culminated with the insurance removal for pirates which made highsec piracy all-but-extinct. It is now extremely difficult to make a living as a pirate with only bling-fit mission runners/miners and overloaded haulers existing as viable targets, none of which are viable targets for solo pirates, and there are only a small number of players left who have organized, and are grouping up to do it Wow you're getting desperate now. Spin it like its going out of fashion :)
Hey CPP - Time we put highsec back to how it was originally designed - http://i.imgur.com/GT0T0oS.jpg
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3061
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Posted - 2016.11.08 10:06:05 -
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Steffles wrote:Wow you're getting desperate now. Spin it like its going out of fashion :) Ah, nothing left but plain trolling. Looks like Pedro clearly won that argument.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
2905
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Posted - 2016.11.08 10:39:56 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote: CCP has to shut down Highsec aggression completely if you want to prevent Highsec piracy which is obviously what you want. This on the other hand will completely devalue all resources found in Highsec because AFK gameplay will be the norm and everyone would be stupid not to mine in a faction fitted mining ship or move as much as they like without any risk at all in cargo expanded Freighter.
Indeed. And CCP just let it be known that in the context of Alpha clones, they can lock the safety setting to 'green' with no problem at all. Clearly, the game is working how CCP want it to work, and if they wanted a safe highsec, they could make a safe highsec by changing a single line of code.
Face it friends, non-consensual PvP in highsec is here to stay, as was intended from the beginning. EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do*. Highsec is as much of a part of that competitive game as anywhere else as it has always been, just like there have always been forum threads complaining about it.
The 8 Golden Rules of Eve
Why Do They Gank?
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Lan Wang
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
3620
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Posted - 2016.11.08 10:45:59 -
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it makes me wonder why the solo bears that cry for absolute safety in highsec dont just play on sisi, they dont care for interaction with other players nor do they care to fight, so why dont they use sisi which is exactly what they want?
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Steffles
University of Caille Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2016.11.08 11:14:24 -
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Lan Wang wrote:it makes me wonder why the solo bears that cry for absolute safety in highsec dont just play on sisi, they dont care for interaction with other players nor do they care to fight, so why dont they use sisi which is exactly what they want? Or why the carebear ganking whingers who are all about "omg ccpleassse don't make us red", "give us tagggs ccplease", "omg cccplease I saw someone mining without a tanks!!!!111" play this game at all.
Its obviously too difficult for you all. This is EVE, you don't like fighting people who shoot back, you don't like losing ships in fights, you don't like going out to low sec or null because you get wtfpwned by actuall pvp players, you're too scared of this and that and lose and risk.
Fek off and play something else, real EVE players don't like you, don't want you, despise you and feel sorry for you.
Thank you
Hey CPP - Time we put highsec back to how it was originally designed - http://i.imgur.com/GT0T0oS.jpg
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Lan Wang
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
3623
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Posted - 2016.11.08 11:39:14 -
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Steffles wrote:Lan Wang wrote:it makes me wonder why the solo bears that cry for absolute safety in highsec dont just play on sisi, they dont care for interaction with other players nor do they care to fight, so why dont they use sisi which is exactly what they want? Or why the carebear ganking whingers who are all about "omg ccpleassse don't make us red", "give us tagggs ccplease", "omg cccplease I saw someone mining without a tanks!!!!111" play this game at all. Its obviously too difficult for you all. This is EVE, you don't like fighting people who shoot back, you don't like losing ships in fights, you don't like going out to low sec or null because you get wtfpwned by actuall pvp players, you're too scared of this and that and lose and risk. Fek off and play something else, real EVE players don't like you, don't want you, despise you and feel sorry for you. Thank you
guess you dont look at killboards huh
Edit: whats a real eve player? i forget
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3065
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Posted - 2016.11.08 11:48:52 -
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Steffles wrote:Lan Wang wrote:it makes me wonder why the solo bears that cry for absolute safety in highsec dont just play on sisi, they dont care for interaction with other players nor do they care to fight, so why dont they use sisi which is exactly what they want? Or why the carebear ganking whingers who are all about "omg ccpleassse don't make us red", "give us tagggs ccplease", "omg cccplease I saw someone mining without a tanks!!!!111" play this game at all. Its obviously too difficult for you all. This is EVE, you don't like fighting people who shoot back, you don't like losing ships in fights, you don't like going out to low sec or null because you get wtfpwned by actuall pvp players, you're too scared of this and that and lose and risk. Fek off and play something else, real EVE players don't like you, don't want you, despise you and feel sorry for you. Thank you Wow, such rage.
Don't you think it is a bit ironic to pretend we want to keep the current state of the game because we "suck" while at the same time you cry for changes to the mechanics in your favor?
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Steffles
University of Caille Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2016.11.08 12:02:50 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Steffles wrote:Lan Wang wrote:it makes me wonder why the solo bears that cry for absolute safety in highsec dont just play on sisi, they dont care for interaction with other players nor do they care to fight, so why dont they use sisi which is exactly what they want? Or why the carebear ganking whingers who are all about "omg ccpleassse don't make us red", "give us tagggs ccplease", "omg cccplease I saw someone mining without a tanks!!!!111" play this game at all. Its obviously too difficult for you all. This is EVE, you don't like fighting people who shoot back, you don't like losing ships in fights, you don't like going out to low sec or null because you get wtfpwned by actuall pvp players, you're too scared of this and that and lose and risk. Fek off and play something else, real EVE players don't like you, don't want you, despise you and feel sorry for you. Thank you guess you dont look at killboards huh Edit: whats a real eve player? i forget but you still havent answered the question, why dont you play sisi? it was a genuine question not a question you answer with another question A real EvE player is somebody that undocks in a non-newb ship and fights other players, or undocks in a battleship or a barge. Real EvE players risk assets.
Ganking is not fightin, a fight is a condition in which you use player skill or assets to defeat another player, or where another player defeats you. Hiding behind Concord, sitting in your crappy little newb destroyer with your crappy little fit and shooting an industrial ship while your ship melts to a 10 million damage npc is not fighting.
Of all the carebearism I've witnessed in my 13 to 14 years of EvE, from the Lofty Scam, to the Zombie zone exploits, your style of not playing is the most laughable and pitiful non-play I've witnessed.
But then it would be since your all alts of Indy chars hiding in bubble fekked dead ends out there in your empty boring null sec farming systems.
The phrase, CODE always wins is complete crap, CODE already lost, that's why CODE exists, CODE is the result of people who can't win figuring out a way to kill people while losing.
I have a very distinct and sure feeling that that won't be continuing much longer though :) Enjoy while you still can
Hey CPP - Time we put highsec back to how it was originally designed - http://i.imgur.com/GT0T0oS.jpg
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