Explained in lore. "because they are capsuleers and the empires don't want a war with immortals".

I've got a question...

Why do NPC stations in hi-sec allow -10 criminals to dock?

Also why does Jita 4-4 let players who are at war with the Caldari state also dock?

It just seems rather odd. Like the NPCs care about it enough to send ships to hunt you down while you are in their space, but as soon as you dock you apparently have sanctum on holy ground.

EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do. When you interact with another player, you roll the dice on whether they're going to screw you over or not. That's a massive part of the social engineering behind the very basic underpinnings of the EVE Universe.

Risk
noun
1. a situation involving exposure to danger.

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Danger
noun
the possibility of something unwelcome or unpleasant happening.

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Now pretending you are risking something by undocking a suicide catalyst is stupid. A suicide catalyst is supposed to die, you are not risking it, you are expending it as ammunition. It therefore cannot possibly be in danger since its not something unwelcome or unpleasant, its something you are doing deliberately and something you are expecting.

Since many if not all suicide gankers kill empty freighters as well as freighters with loot there is also no risk in "loot not dropping" since for loot to drop there needs to be loot in the ship. Now since you kill ships without loot that cannot be a "risk factor" at all.

Looking at recent kills of freighters its quite obvious that the killing of freighters is so easy it can be done with a single person using ISBOXER and 6 or 7 stealth bombers and certainly doesn't require the claimed 100 person catalyst fleet. Since ISBOXER broadcasting is illegal in EVE it must be assumed that one code dweeb does it using multiple clients or computers and manual input (sure he does right?) and is doing for under 250 million per gank.

The often vomited, use a webber, fast aligning, scouting bullcrap is of course worthless since almost all ganks are conducted with a 100,000 isk scrambler which makes fast aligning and webbing pointless.

Sounds like you're pretty powerless to protect yourself. You might want to consider just getting a permit.

Sounds like you're pretty powerless to protect yourself. You might want to consider just getting a permit.

Sounds like you're pretty powerless to protect yourself. You might want to consider just getting a permit.

Perhaps, we shouldn't be looking to make hi-sec safer for law abiding citizens, but making it more dangerous for criminals.

Currently, a Merc Corp can really do nothing to catch a -10 criminal.

What mechanics would open up criminals to non-consensual PVP?

There are none that would be acceptable to CCP.

The -10's are of course alts.
They are in ships designed to die.
Killing one of their ships is not a deterrent nor costly to them - to do so would require you losing the isk war by a very large margin.
The only real solution would be CCP identifying their mains however CCP will never do that.
You are therefore SOL.

I've got one but it might make a lot of people mad...

Add a 10 to 30 second cool down before you can warp after undocking.

Apply it to everyone to be fair.

I've got one but it might make a lot of people mad...

Add a 10 to 30 second cool down before you can warp after undocking.

Apply it to everyone to be fair.

Not sure why anyone would get mad. They are after all allowed and are part of the game.

Your suggestion would make a shiteton of people mad though but it'd be pretty nice not just for -10's but for all of EvE. 10 seconds after timer expires or turns off since there's an immunity timer after undocking.

Realistically for -10's though I think pod only travel, for the purpose of buying / utilizing tags is a good option. Not like tags are that expensive anymore.

You help make his point. You don't want change and/or improvement because it's perfect for people like you.

You are not the majority (except for GD trolls). .001% of the player base makes 99% of the troll posts.

I propose that CCP start charging people to post in the forums. Like text messaging, give a 500 "text" base and then charge (per post) anyone that goes over...

I don't understand the need some have to make things easier for people. EVe already provides all the tools one needs to be extremely safe.

The real problem is high security space. unlike the other 84% of EVE space, high sec doesn't teach players to protect themselves, so they don,t, and they get preyed upon, and they blame the game rather than putting the fault where it really lies (on themselves), and some of them come to a forum asking for developer intervention.

In 9+ years I've lost 2 shuttles and a pod to 'criminals' in high sec. Even when I've gone back to high sec to run missions and incursions and even now when I haul loot to jita I have zero problems (because I treat ALL space as hostile space, I mjd'claok gate to gate between jita and amarr for example).
Being that I've played outside of high sec most of that time (in space where there is no help except other people and maybe a weak gate gun in low sec), the habits formed there make high sec 'criminals' a non issue.

But somehow you can't teach that to high seccers at all. They are like the privileged kids of EVE, you can't convince them that they have to make an effort for what they want (safety) rather than just rely on their butler and chauffeur lol. Time and again CCP has buffed these types (buffed mining ships, safeties, pop ups that won't let you make a mistake etc) and they STILL complain.

Which shows that CCP also has a hard time learning, in this case it's learning that you can't coddle some people enough for them to be comfortable in a harsh game, and trying is stupid. IMO high sec players were less stupid before all the safeties/pop ups and such, because hihgh sec was more dangerous and it was easier to learn that you had to protect your self a little at least.

You are not the majority...

Oh hi Pajedas! Glad to see you're still in the game! I thought you rage-quit, bro? What happened with that?

My suggestion actually increases risk for everyone.

I suspect people in low sec would love warp cool downs.

It doesn't actually make it safer or prevent ganking if the miners choose to be whimps about it.

My suggestions just gives the opportunity to engage criminals or war targets on undock.

It creates more opportunity for PVP and does not make mining or hauling any safer.

It just gives those who want to actually PVP an opportunity to get it.

And I'd be fine increasing the timer it takes for the faction police to compensate to be fair.

I'd also be open to increasing concord times to balance this out.

Shift the police from NPCs to players.

How can you be against that?

How would you bring non-consensual PVP to hi sec criminals?

I mean the only other thing I can think of is to force anyone in an NPC Corp to green safeties until they join a player Corp.

Won't stop throw away corps though.

The key problem now is that the behavior can't really be countered by PVP.

Personally i'm struggling to find the game engaging and I think when you take off all of the sugar it really comes down to two mechanics that over the years have become real engagement killers.

All over the game I see a similar story from small fleets wanting to go out and blap stuff and test skill to watching PERUNGA sitting in Tama with his sebo keres and a fleet of logi and ecm backing him up.

Despite the research coming out of how gaming styles are changing and how people want to work in groups of no more than 15 people, CCP still keep push content that evolves around massive hordes of people grinding.

Some of us who remember the game before the nano nerf, before warp disrupter and ecm and ewar and killboards and remember what it was like to roam around and shoot stuff and compete against home defences because someone was tress passing. These days the story is, dock up and wait it out, same for fleets who sit on gates in null and low. And don't get me started on the war mechanic.

I don't know what the fix is and i am done thinking about how to achieve the type of dynamic fast moving game Eve used to be but i would like to see CCP at least trying to incentivise engaging game play instead of the boring, predictable choke points of gates and pipe blanket war dec campers.

You know what I mean by non-consensual PVP...

Targets that shoot back.

How do you make this happen?

If you can't make this interaction symmetrical then you just get discouraged players who eventually lack to will to login.

And keep in mind this is coming from someone who has never been ganked outside of faction warfare despite hundreds of hours mining.

And if you google my name, you might find that I'm listed on a kill while in an NPC Corp on a freighter.

Not sure they actually have a plan. Perhaps they'll get someone in who will one day address:

Suicide Ganking
Cyno's
Cloaky Camping
N+1
Capital Proliferation
Killboard Fallout
Gates
Alpha
War Decs

But I wouldn't hold my breath, these negative things have been around for years, generated thousands of posts describing the negative aspects and they have failed miserably to address any of them.

They did finally address:

Capital Projection
Sov

2 out 11+ aint bad... actually yeah its pretty bad in 10 years tbh

What? Looks like he lost the bombers to CONCORD. Working as intended.