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Do Little
Virgin Plc
Evictus.
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Posted - 2016.10.30 10:25:45 -
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I am an industrial player - also known as "prey". I do not want New Eden to become a safer place. If there were no predators there would be a lot more competition, reducing my profits. In Eve, as in nature there needs to be a balance - to few predators and the prey population increases until everyone starves. To many predators and the prey disappears so the predators starve.
Learning how to survive is part of the challenge in Eve but it can be done. I've lost 1 ship to PVP in highsec in 3 years - that was on the dock in Jita. I learned from the experience and adjusted the way I do things so it's less likely to happen again.
If you want reward, you need to accept some risk. Those who learn to manage that risk effectively will prosper. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1242
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Posted - 2016.10.30 10:40:07 -
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OP is willing to work hard on his standings. But he doesn't want to work hard to get his precious freigter to the next hub.
Let's get rid of standings, so he doesn't need to grind, can focus his time and actually play the game casually. Being nothing but a timesink, standings have always been a stupid game mechanic, no matter the game. And that's true especially for casual gamers.
Remove insurance.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
45264
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Posted - 2016.10.30 10:42:15 -
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Mark Marconi wrote: As I said it needs to make some logical sense and at the moment it does not.
I guess thankfully for my view, there is a company of about 600 employees (across all their games and locations), with the bulk working on Eve Online and they thankfully see some logic in how they design the game.
Hopefully they continue the same path where we all have choice and where if I want to affect you (or vice versa), then it's up to me to personally do it and not rely on CCP to save my behind.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Vigirr
5
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Posted - 2016.10.30 10:49:19 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:Vigirr wrote:EVE is a pvp centric sandbox where anything goes and no one is safe or innocent. Why did you start playing it if you don't like that concept? Why should the players who DO understand what EVE is and DO like it for that have to adapt to someone who started playing the wrong game? Except I started playing it under a different set of rules to those that now exist, as did so many others.
No you haven't, you assumed you did. |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
62
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Posted - 2016.10.30 10:49:48 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Mark Marconi wrote: As I said it needs to make some logical sense and at the moment it does not. I guess thankfully for my view, there is a company of about 600 employees (across all their games and locations), with the bulk working on Eve Online that thankfully see some logic in how they design the game. Hopefully they continue the same path where we all have choice and where if I want to affect you (or vice versa), then it's up to me to personally do it and not rely on CCP to save my behind.
You mean there used to be a company of about 600 employees, who thought they saw some logic.
Bringing us to today where after that wonderful logic we now are about to have free to play.
If they continue down the same path as the last 5 years they have 3 years tops. |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
62
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Posted - 2016.10.30 10:50:54 -
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Vigirr wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:Vigirr wrote:EVE is a pvp centric sandbox where anything goes and no one is safe or innocent. Why did you start playing it if you don't like that concept? Why should the players who DO understand what EVE is and DO like it for that have to adapt to someone who started playing the wrong game? Except I started playing it under a different set of rules to those that now exist, as did so many others. No you haven't, you assumed you did.
Please go back to your crayons and finger painting. |
Vigirr
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Posted - 2016.10.30 10:57:52 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:Vigirr wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:Vigirr wrote:EVE is a pvp centric sandbox where anything goes and no one is safe or innocent. Why did you start playing it if you don't like that concept? Why should the players who DO understand what EVE is and DO like it for that have to adapt to someone who started playing the wrong game? Except I started playing it under a different set of rules to those that now exist, as did so many others. No you haven't, you assumed you did. Please go back to your crayons and finger painting.
Eve has always been a pvp centric sandbox, just because you didn't realise this and don't want to hear or adapt to that doesn't mean you can just wish it away.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
45266
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Posted - 2016.10.30 11:00:28 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:If they continue down the same path as the last 5 years they have 3 years tops.
 yeah sure.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
63
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Posted - 2016.10.30 11:06:16 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:If they continue down the same path as the last 5 years they have 3 years tops. yeah sure.
No they are bringing out free to play because they are doing so well. |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
63
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Posted - 2016.10.30 11:08:34 -
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Vigirr wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:Vigirr wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:Vigirr wrote:EVE is a pvp centric sandbox where anything goes and no one is safe or innocent. Why did you start playing it if you don't like that concept? Why should the players who DO understand what EVE is and DO like it for that have to adapt to someone who started playing the wrong game? Except I started playing it under a different set of rules to those that now exist, as did so many others. No you haven't, you assumed you did. Please go back to your crayons and finger painting. Eve has always been a pvp centric sandbox, just because you didn't realise this and don't want to hear or adapt to that doesn't mean you can just wish it away.
Yes EvE has always been a PvP sandbox. That however does not alter the fact I and many others started playing to different rules than those that exist now. |
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Vigirr
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Posted - 2016.10.30 11:16:41 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:Yes EvE has always been a PvP sandbox. That however does not alter the fact I and many others started playing to different rules than those that exist now.
Feel free to point out the differences. |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
63
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Posted - 2016.10.30 11:23:42 -
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Vigirr wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:Yes EvE has always been a PvP sandbox. That however does not alter the fact I and many others started playing to different rules than those that exist now. Feel free to point out the differences.
Here is a link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansions_of_Eve_Online
Go nuts. |
Vigirr
6
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Posted - 2016.10.30 11:27:20 -
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Which means what, exactly? |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
63
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Posted - 2016.10.30 11:28:39 -
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Vigirr wrote:Which means what, exactly?
See comment relating to crayons and finger paints. |
Vigirr
6
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Posted - 2016.10.30 11:33:02 -
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Nono, you make a statement so the onus is on you to provide proof. Just listing EVE's expansions is meaningless so again, feel free to point out differences that support your statement. |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
63
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Posted - 2016.10.30 11:42:59 -
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Vigirr wrote:Nono, you make a statement so the onus is on you to provide proof. Just listing EVE's expansions is meaningless so again, feel free to point out differences that support your statement.
No the onus is on you when you dispute someones statement to actually discuss it in a reasoned manner.
Strangely why forums are also called discussion boards. You disputed my statement that I signed up under a different set of rules, you figure it out. Hell you might actually learn something. |
permion
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
37
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Posted - 2016.10.30 11:44:15 -
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You do realize that capsuleers are legally above the law in many aspects in lore. Even the freedom loving gallente literally have separate courts for the normal population, and the baseline rich(non-capsuleer rich)... There is a difference of scale between between baseline rich and capsuleer rich, starting at that most planets don't even have the GDP to even make a frigate.
Likewise the empires themselves have signed away most of their ability to enforce laws against capsuleers to concord. |
Vigirr
6
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Posted - 2016.10.30 11:55:00 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:Vigirr wrote:Nono, you make a statement so the onus is on you to provide proof. Just listing EVE's expansions is meaningless so again, feel free to point out differences that support your statement. No the onus is on you when you dispute someones statement to actually discuss it in a reasoned manner. Strangely why forums are also called discussion boards. You disputed my statement that I signed up under a different set of rules, you figure it out. Hell you might actually learn something.
Ok, teach me oh master. How are they different from now. |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
63
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Posted - 2016.10.30 11:56:34 -
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Vigirr wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:Vigirr wrote:Nono, you make a statement so the onus is on you to provide proof. Just listing EVE's expansions is meaningless so again, feel free to point out differences that support your statement. No the onus is on you when you dispute someones statement to actually discuss it in a reasoned manner. Strangely why forums are also called discussion boards. You disputed my statement that I signed up under a different set of rules, you figure it out. Hell you might actually learn something. Ok, teach me oh master. How are they different from now.
Learn. Education of any kind is beneficial. Even if it is the history of an online game. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
45266
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Posted - 2016.10.30 12:02:22 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:If they continue down the same path as the last 5 years they have 3 years tops. yeah sure. No they are bringing out free to play because they are doing so well.
Where is the reason published as to why? All I see in your statement is an assumption.
That's as useless as claiming there is only 3 years tops left in the game of CCP continue as they are, unless of course CCP change the game how you think it should be. Only that can save Eve.
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Vigirr
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Posted - 2016.10.30 12:04:08 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:Vigirr wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:Vigirr wrote:Nono, you make a statement so the onus is on you to provide proof. Just listing EVE's expansions is meaningless so again, feel free to point out differences that support your statement. No the onus is on you when you dispute someones statement to actually discuss it in a reasoned manner. Strangely why forums are also called discussion boards. You disputed my statement that I signed up under a different set of rules, you figure it out. Hell you might actually learn something. Ok, teach me oh master. How are they different from now. Learn. Education of any kind is beneficial. Even if it is the history of an online game.
Ok so nothing but BS then. Duly noted.
Thank you for your useless contribution to this useless thread. |
Asmodai Xodai
Viziam
Amarr Empire
105
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Posted - 2016.10.30 12:11:58 -
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Jagd Wilde wrote:Yup, another one.
So OP,
Did you not notice the, like, hundred other carebear opinions on this very same subject? All with the same conclusion? There's nothing new here but the carebear.
If you don't like the sandbox, go play wow. Don't try to F it up for the rest of us.
gtfo
I don't agree with the guy's proposed change in any way whatsoever, but no need to be a douchebag either. You are no doubt just as much a carebear as anyone else, tough guy. You show me any gang of low-sec pirate gate-campers who consider themselves doing 'elite PvP' *cough* and I'll show you a bunch of tree-hugging carebears. In real life low-grade scrubs who operate in gangs and jump individuals they outnumber 5 or 10 to 1 aren't considered tough guys, they are considered cowards. You never see these guys taking actual risks, or taking fights they could potentially lose. Nope, it's either they jump unsuspecting individuals they outnumber and outgun 10 to 1 at the most creative and ingenious of all gameplay devices this game has ever seen - the gatecamp - or they don't play. Cowards and carebears, the lot of them. A high-sec miner takes more risk.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not for outlawing it, nor regulating it. Play the game however you want, and do what makes you happy. Just don't be under the illusion that you are any less of a carebear than anyone else. |
Vigirr
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Posted - 2016.10.30 12:13:57 -
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Asmodai Xodai wrote:Jagd Wilde wrote:Yup, another one.
So OP,
Did you not notice the, like, hundred other carebear opinions on this very same subject? All with the same conclusion? There's nothing new here but the carebear.
If you don't like the sandbox, go play wow. Don't try to F it up for the rest of us.
gtfo I don't agree with the guy's proposed change in any way whatsoever, but no need to be a douchebag either. You are no doubt just as much a carebear as anyone else, tough guy. You show me any gang of low-sec pirate gate-campers who consider themselves doing 'elite PvP' *cough* and I'll show you a bunch of tree-hugging carebears. In real life low-grade scrubs who operate in gangs and jump individuals they outnumber 5 or 10 to 1 aren't considered tough guys, they are considered cowards. You never see these guys taking actual risks, or taking fights they could potentially lose. Nope, it's either they jump unsuspecting individuals they outnumber and outgun 10 to 1 at the most creative and ingenious of all gameplay devices this game has ever seen - the gatecamp - or they don't play. Cowards and carebears, the lot of them. A high-sec miner takes more risk. Don't get me wrong. I'm not for outlawing it, nor regulating it. Play the game however you want, and do what makes you happy. Just don't be under the illusion that you are any less of a carebear than anyone else.
Most people hide in numbers or behind support alts and whatnot. A gate camper really isn't that different from a miner. Only people who are fine with, and perhaps even seek, to be the underdog aren't carebears.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
2994
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Posted - 2016.10.30 12:34:34 -
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Xander Jade wrote:no, fantasy is best when you have something approaching realism... take away the pilot and make a realistic world than add the fantasy.
Yes, but New Eden is set in a distopian future and the capsuleers are semi-gods who are not bound by the restrictions of the empires. The "realism" you are asking for has nothing to do with the setting we play EVE in. You think the empires are similar to our RL countries and apply this to the game, that's not what they are. Please make yourself familiar with the lore before you try to use it as an argument to make silly game changes
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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ColdCutz
Frigonometry
130
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Posted - 2016.10.30 13:26:04 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Link Lossmail plz
I think I found it.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/51746341/ |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1242
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Posted - 2016.10.30 13:31:12 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Xander Jade wrote:no, fantasy is best when you have something approaching realism... take away the pilot and make a realistic world than add the fantasy. Yes, but New Eden is set in a distopian future and the capsuleers are semi-gods who are not bound by the restrictions of the empires. The "realism" you are asking for has nothing to do with the setting we play EVE in. You think the empires are similar to our RL countries and apply this to the game, that's not what they are. Please make yourself familiar with the lore before you try to use it as an argument to make silly game changes
Apart from that, I doubt he's thinking of the sort of realism we can find in quite some countries across the world right now.
Remove insurance.
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Keno Skir
854
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Posted - 2016.10.30 13:53:34 -
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EvE is supposed to be dangerous, everywhere. That's why it's so fresh.
Without resorting to flaming the OP, i bet his cornflakes are wet n floppy..
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Steffles
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.10.30 14:07:07 -
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Keno Skir wrote:EvE is supposed to be dangerous, everywhere. That's why it's so fresh.
Without resorting to flaming the OP, i bet his cornflakes are wet n floppy..
Not entirely true.
EvE was designed on a basic model. High sec was supposed to be "relatively safe" - google that with Oveur, the original lead developer and the developers worked initially to make that so - they repeatedly buffed concord, ships and mechanics to ensure that highsec remained relatively safe.
Low sec was supposed to be unsafe but not terribly so. Gate guns were a viable deterrent to all but the most dangerous criminals.
Null sec was supposed to be lawless and very unsafe.
As time went on CCP dropped the ball on highsec, dps creep went up and CCP didn't respond well to that.
In lowsec dps creep and tankability went up and the gate guns that used to be functional became pretty much worthless.
In null we got cynos, jump bridges, wormholes to high, jump freighters, and clone jumping.
The end result
High - very dangerous
Low - Very dangerous
Null - Extremely safe
IN short CCP screwed the entire risk / reward game up and they have no real solution to fix it. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1637
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Posted - 2016.10.30 14:20:49 -
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Xander Jade wrote:it is like all the bullies in the neighborhood invite the nice little kids to come play with all there toys just so the bullies can push them down, take there toys, kick dirt in there face, and than go to there friends and brag how they just punched a 4 year old in the face and took his tanka truck.
followed by wacky maths formula aimed at making hisec a better place for him to live in forever
Just No.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Raca Pyrrea
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.10.30 15:13:16 -
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EvE is a more complex game than just a pvp sandbox. If it was just a pvp-sandbox there wouldnt be any carebears around. Pvp is though the most important feature, without it the game wouldnt be as interesting. In the game design the relative safety of hi-sec is balanced with the low outcome of each effort, while the high danger of low- and null-sec is balance with the higher rewards. In everything in EvE except hi-sec ganking. So literaly for little effort you earn billions. Why CCP supports this deviation from the usual game mechanics is beyond me.
There is no issue with the hi-sec safety, the issue is with the high reward of the ganking activity in high sec and I would support a change towards that. |
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