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Trem Sinval Sinval Enterprises	Posted - 2007.03.31 20:23:00 - [31] "Shar-on", and stop being all whiny! And: Ky-mere-ah Whi-vern Egsck-eck-kur-or Ab-a-don Mail-strom Tur-ette Tack-ee-on Dooms-day-Dev-ice - Trem
Ralara Caldari Lilandri Foundation	Posted - 2007.03.31 20:27:00 - [32] What was the boat called? The one that took the dead from one side to the other? I want to name my salvager that I'm a corp thief. And remember, I only do it because I like your robot.
Vivus Mors	Posted - 2007.03.31 21:17:00 - [33] Edited by: Vivus Mors on 31/03/2007 21:14:49 Originally by: Dekiri Wouldn't the "proper" pronounciation be the one that the greek use? And that makes you all be wrong... Well, no it doesn't, because the ancient Greek is well known due to the wonders of the Rosetta Stone and countless other references of not only words and their translations, but also they phonetic values as well. Keep in mind that Latin is a dead tongue, and yet it is used almost exclusively by the Scientific world to label virtually everything, the same holds true with ancient Greek in that it can and is commonly used particularly in reference to ancient Greek history, philosophy (which is itself an ancient Greek word), archeology, and numerous other things. The Greeks actually called him Khar(n due to peculiarities in their alphabet not matching ours, thus "Ch" was not its original spelling. As for the phonetics, it's "Kha-rhon", almost as if one is scraping the back of their throat on the "Kha" followed by gentle "rhon" sounding for the most-part like the proper name "Ron". The more relaxed pronunciation is "Care-un" or "Care-on", either have effectively the same note on the ear of most, particularly when said in a sentence where each syllable isn't being over-analyzed. ------------------------------------------------ UPDATED March 11 Formal request for improvements to industrialism
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.03.31 22:12:00 - [34] shuht uhp yn naw-tee lit-l muhng-kee ------------------- Say What?
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.03.31 22:27:00 - [35] Edited by: Jex Jast on 31/03/2007 22:23:30 Originally by: Vivus Mors As for the phonetics, it's "Kha-rhon", almost as if one is scraping the back of their throat on the "Kha" Like the sound in Hebrew (i.e. L'chaim, however you want to spell it since they don't use the Roman alphabet)? Edit: That was supposed to be a question. Added question mark. ----- :::Need to be cleaned::: Sorry mods, hijack removed - blame the sig length limit. I thought you just didnt love us anymore - Tim I got cookies! - Deckard
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.03.31 22:29:00 - [36] What drives me crazy is that Charon is the son of Nyx and Erebus. So, why is a Caldari freighter named after the son of the Gallente Mothership and Titan ? Oh and it's pronounced almost like "Karen". _ MySkills \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
PredatorPT New Dawn Corp	Posted - 2007.03.31 22:40:00 - [37] Originally by: Akita T What drives me crazy is that Charon is the son of Nyx and Erebus. So, why is a Caldari freighter named after the son of the Gallente Mothership and Titan ? Their son is a traitor!
Firane 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.31 22:48:00 - [38] Ummm.... Chemistry and Chameleon have silent h's. -----
Ralara Caldari Lilandri Foundation	Posted - 2007.03.31 22:52:00 - [39] Originally by: Firane Ummm.... Chemistry and Chameleon have silent h's. yes so it's a "hard" c, (or ch), as I said. As opposed to say, cyprus which has a soft "c", or Charlie which has a soft "ch". I'm a corp thief. And remember, I only do it because I like your robot.

Deckard Bishop Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.03.31 22:53:00 - [40] you must be wrong....... ozzy thought it up!!!! forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website! Contact Support - Report Bug - Join ISD

Ralara Caldari Lilandri Foundation	Posted - 2007.03.31 22:55:00 - [41] I think also Cerberus is meant to be pronounced with a hard c (as in kerberus) but I'm not sure. It's alternate spelling is apparently Kerberos. I'm a corp thief. And remember, I only do it because I like your robot.
Kylar Renpurs	Posted - 2007.03.31 23:10:00 - [42] I blame the english language and it's pity attempts to simulate other languages. Χάρων is how charon is spelt and pronounced, not Charon, because cha is cha, not,,, whatever the heck that is up there,,, I dont know my greek too well. I had a similar argument with my friend once about the chinese spelling of Xiau being pronounced 'Sho'. I argued it was actually correct in a sense, but also incorrect due to the nicities of the english language. Somewhere, some numptee academic studied the Chinese language way back when and decided Xiau was the proper spelling of the Chinese, as we'd pronounce 'sho'. The argument with my friend was basically over why it was spelt Xiau and pronounced 'sho', not 'zeeau'. After lots of quabbling we just agreed to disagree. A similar example is the greek Xi, a lot of people would pronounce it Xy like in Xylophone, whereas it's pronounced more like 'ktsai', or somesuch. Bah, what am I saying,, I'm in software development,, not a literature coinnoseur (and thats probably spelt wrong too!)
Ralara Caldari Lilandri Foundation	Posted - 2007.03.31 23:20:00 - [43] Originally by: Kylar Renpurs I blame the english language and it's pity attempts to simulate other languages. that would be pitiful, I assume? I'm a corp thief. And remember, I only do it because I like your robot.
Mirinea	Posted - 2007.03.31 23:29:00 - [44] Edited by: Mirinea on 31/03/2007 23:26:32 http://webster.com/dictionary/charon Click the link, then click the speaker icon. It's pronounced like "Karon." Edit: Bonus for being the son of Erebus
Mirinea	Posted - 2007.03.31 23:29:00 - [45] Edited by: Mirinea on 31/03/2007 23:26:32 http://webster.com/dictionary/charon Click the link, then click the speaker icon. It's pronounced like "Karon." Edit: Bonus for being the son of Erebus
Gisboar	Posted - 2007.03.31 23:41:00 - [46] Who cares as long as everybody knows about which ship is spoken ... In German you pronounce it completely different - so what ? Most certainly the english pronunciation is the only correct one
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.03.31 23:46:00 - [47] The proper spelling and pronunciation of a word is that most commonly used. Each year dictionaries are revised to reflect changes in the language, people seem to forget that language is fluid and the dictionary is not the arbiter of pronunciation. Who knows perhaps in time the English language will begin to reflect current shorthand usage if the trend continues and grows in popularity. If u dnt lik it u cn strt usin thee thou and thine agen. So however you say it so long as everyone else understands what you mean your getting it right.
Kasak Black The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.01 00:36:00 - [48] Some people say "Zel-lot" others say "Zee-lot". I personally say things how the **** I like. Probally why I'm not an FC. "Primary target is that thing over there, caracel" "Cara what" "Like the merry-go-round?"
Admiral Feelgood Aionios Diadochi	Posted - 2007.04.01 00:43:00 - [49] I say Charon like chalk or cherry because of the single player campaign in starcraft. The machine face thing says it like that so it must be true!
Bosie Caldari Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.04.01 01:19:00 - [50] You say: Tomato. I say: Tomato. "There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is ENGLAND." .
Mirinea	Posted - 2007.04.01 01:45:00 - [51] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf The proper spelling and pronunciation of a word is that most commonly used. Each year dictionaries are revised to reflect changes in the language, people seem to forget that language is fluid and the dictionary is not the arbiter of pronunciation. Who knows perhaps in time the English language will begin to reflect current shorthand usage if the trend continues and grows in popularity. If u dnt lik it u cn strt usin thee thou and thine agen. So however you say it so long as everyone else understands what you mean your getting it right. To a degree, you're right. But, anyone who is formally taught how to pronounce it will always speak it a certain way. The people who can't be assed to look it up will pronounce it another. I don't know if you code, but this is analogous to the differences between a lazy, self-taught programmer, and one with more rigorous instruction: their programs might do the same thing, can be understood by each other, but the former will probably produce programs with bad formatting, spaghetti and dead code, inefficient methods, etc. Maybe to the end user, it won't matter, but you won't find a professional who says that sloppy coding is okay. And properness and correctness in spelling and grammar do not always come from popularity. "Whom" is rarely used where it should be. And, as you demonstrate, your and you're are often used incorrectly as well. Dictionaries exist to enforce a standard so we can all refer to it when disagreements like this arise. Does that make the difference clear?
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.04.01 01:55:00 - [52] Well, it is perhaps more of a challenge agreeing on how to pronounce the seemingly made up names of systems in game. For instance: JITA Is it Gee-tah or Jiht-ah or Jie-tah? OURSULAERT Is it our-su-lert or aw-sal-a-ert or ooher-su-lart? (probably none of the above ;P) DODIXIE - Doh-dix-ee? MASALLE - Ma-seh-la? Then there's those that everyone seems to pronounce the same. Rens Duripant Kisogo Motsu Or the ones I know I'm not saying right but that's just how my brain trips over it. Like KIAINTI = Chianti the wine for me. And always followed by Hannibal Lector's voice saying, "and then I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti" yeah... ------------------- Say What?
nickky01 The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.01 02:24:00 - [53] listen up brits. ZEE-LOT (like see) not ZEL-OT (like sell) see? ZEEEEEEEE-LOT wtf is a "zed" anyways. its ZEEE. and no, you didn't "invent" the english language, america did. you just added the letter "U" to a bunch of words that didn't need it
Pyxee The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.01 02:27:00 - [54] Thats it Nicky, show em how its done.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.04.01 02:29:00 - [55] Originally by: nickky01 listen up brits. ZEE-LOT (like see) not ZEL-OT (like sell) see? ZEEEEEEEE-LOT wtf is a "zed" anyways. its ZEEE. and no, you didn't "invent" the english language, america did. you just added the letter "U" to a bunch of words that didn't need it Er... From the US and I say ZEL-OT. Sorry but that's just how it should be said. I'm with ya on the brits cheating at Scrabble thing though. ------------------- Say What?
Toros Revoke STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.01 02:52:00 - [56] You wanna talk about cheating at scrabble, no one does it like the welsh. Zealot- should be obvious Zeal-ot! That said, I say zellot, it's my language and I abuse it far less than you bloody colonials
Dark Kavar Caldari Aionios Diadochi	Posted - 2007.04.01 03:08:00 - [57] While we're on the subject... Is Rokh pronounced "rock" or "roke", becuase I'm sure it's pronounced "rock" but my entire corp says "roke" Kind of like the Triforce in Zelda, only not quite as potent.
moxica	Posted - 2007.04.01 05:17:00 - [58] Edited by: moxica on 01/04/2007 05:17:22 Regarding 'Charon'. You do all realise that latin is a dead language which was later resurrected? There isn't a single person that can truly say what the pronunciation is for old latin words. Edit Hoisted by my own petard. missed out an 'N'.
PleaseDon'tShoot	Posted - 2007.04.01 06:50:00 - [59] Edited by: PleaseDon''tShoot on 01/04/2007 06:46:42 Originally by: moxica There isn't a single person that can truly say what the pronunciation is for old latin words. Dr. Jackson can.
GeekWarrior Gallente e X i l e	Posted - 2007.04.01 06:51:00 - [60] Um yeah... ----------------------------- EVE Addict, creator of the EVE Online Forms Greasemonkey Script \o/

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