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Tyrenical
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Posted - 2003.12.25 03:35:00 -
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u might want to remember that only the ceo can appoint directors.......
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Athre
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Posted - 2003.12.25 03:40:00 -
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Thats why Gunnyp was checking EACH member file personally when he took over from Ragnar.
Former TTI-KME employee
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Tyrenical
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Posted - 2003.12.25 03:49:00 -
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this is obiously been going on for some time... i mean new ceo takes over, not too long after, everything just gets up and walks out |
nails
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Posted - 2003.12.25 04:24:00 -
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I smell fish. If I'm very careful about our corps security I'm more than sure that TTi would be just as careful.. Hell even more so since they have much more than we do to protect. I'm sure CCP will do something to help investigate what happened here. TTi might not play the huge role they used to, they were still published in primas strategy guide :) that's gotta count for something.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.12.25 05:10:00 -
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This is in such bad taste it's off the chart, I'd rather see a thousand villain corporations such as TTI than one l33t one, begone M0o!
Rudi Voeller is about the ***est german footballer there is but I bet even he'd be upset being tarnished in this way.
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Ezra
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Posted - 2003.12.25 05:35:00 -
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Security Precautions:-
1- Allways keep your BP's in a secure container in your corp hanger (or a personal hanger) and only let the required people know the pass for it.
Except that one of the key parts of the introduction of can anchoring is that cans are only secure when anchored. (Because people were making themselves "un-piratable" by putting invincible secure cans in their indies.)
I agree with Calleden that the corp security measures in EVE are utter junk. The "Auditor" role is damn near useless. When are we going to get hangar access logs???
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Ezra Cornell
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Archemedes
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Posted - 2003.12.25 06:02:00 -
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Ouch! Sorry to hear about this... 1.2 bil and 4 battleship BPs is a big loss. 
One thing though, didn't TTI get ripped off by a director before? Is it possible this thief was a 'sleeper' alt left by the original thief? He could have:
1) Created an alt (Blaylock) and hired him with the ability to hire, grant hangar access, and grant Accountant access
2) Used Blaylock to hire the thief character (Rudi) and give him access to the wallet and hangars. Note: this does NOT require Rudi to be a director, so it would be easy to miss in a routine check
3) Removed Blaylock from the corp. Now there is no trail from Rudi to the original TTI member.
4) Wait until the corp is prosperous again, then rob you.
If this is a hack, the person responsible needs to get the book thrown at him... but there's always a chance it was just an alt.
Makes me glad Omnitrend is a private corp... we may be small but at least we all trust each other.  I hope you get your stuff back.
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2003.12.25 08:13:00 -
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After thinking about this a while ive come up with this theory:
When TTi 'reformed' and you took over, is it not possible that Ragnar had his alt (Blaylock) join TTi, gave him director status and left him there as a sleeper awaiting his comeback to Eve.
Now a couple of days ago Ragnar decides it is time to strike, he creates Rudi Voeller, has Blaylock accept Rudi into the corp, gives him the required access. He then takes the items and has his alts leave the corp.
Now why would Ragnar do this now but not sooner? He wanted to wait until you were rich enough, until TTi had resettled somewhere. He is like a king kicked off his throne longing to come back. 
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2003.12.25 08:15:00 -
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Well I for one know that TTI did a very extensive cleaning process of it's membership a couple of months ago. How effective it was I don't know.
I do remember a Blaylock though. He posted once or twice on the old TTI forums... way back when.
Wishing you guys luck though... it's still a crappy thing to do...
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Old Hermit
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Posted - 2003.12.25 09:22:00 -
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Edited by: Old Hermit on 25/12/2003 09:23:13
Whine-whine
My heart breaks for the baron robbers downfall. You got stuck by one of your own. Your witchhunt was conducted by those who are the most likely culprits. You drove out the staunchest, and most viable, members. And you wonder why one of your own bit you?
Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. It wasn't one of your own. It was some "hacker" who logged in as one of your own. Ooops... and yeah right.
To be quite honest I am sorry this happened to you Gunny but as far as I care TTI can go bugger itself.... as much as it used to like to bugger it's allies and corporate members.
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Machiavelli7
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Posted - 2003.12.25 09:23:00 -
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Good luck in recovering your assets, TTi. No corp deserves to be brought down by thievery.
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2003.12.25 10:45:00 -
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This is truly a sad satate of events Gunny.
I think you have to consider the posiblity that it was one of those 4 that could grant access/had access though mate.
This means you were crossed by someone you trusted and got along with.
I hope you resolve the situation friend, and if you can't recover from it.
Necro
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Renox
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Posted - 2003.12.25 10:48:00 -
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I am sorry to hear what happend. Even if I left TTI a while back now, I always hope for the best for you lot. A shame something like this had to happen. No one deserves it and it's even worse to see it happen to my old friends in TTI.
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2003.12.25 10:48:00 -
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Quote:
After thinking about this a while ive come up with this theory:
When TTi 'reformed' and you took over, is it not possible that Ragnar had his alt (Blaylock) join TTi, gave him director status and left him there as a sleeper awaiting his comeback to Eve.
Now a couple of days ago Ragnar decides it is time to strike, he creates Rudi Voeller, has Blaylock accept Rudi into the corp, gives him the required access. He then takes the items and has his alts leave the corp.
Now why would Ragnar do this now but not sooner? He wanted to wait until you were rich enough, until TTi had resettled somewhere. He is like a king kicked off his throne longing to come back.
It's not ragnar - i'll tell you why.
a) he doesn't need $2500 in real life.
b) he gave gunnyP all his asserts (a few billion) when he left eve.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.12.25 10:58:00 -
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What a way to get a nice christmas... what an *******.
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Ardanwen
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Posted - 2003.12.25 11:04:00 -
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Do you get access to disabled accounts?
I mean you did check all people in the corporation and reset their access but does that include disabled accounts? I would guess not because i know at least one individual who did not have his faction standings halved simply because his account was disabled when it was done, he rejoined eve after the castor patch.
So i'm guessing that someone had directory access on a disabled account, then got re-enabled with all the access still intact and then decided to take it all.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.12.25 12:14:00 -
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Hmmmmmmmm.
Having read the above linkage all I can say is something smells.....fishy.
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Dagny
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Posted - 2003.12.25 13:39:00 -
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To GunnyP
Filing a petition about this is useless. This is not an exploit or a crime.
The way Taggart has been run since the departure of Ragnar has been to great anger of many previous Taggart members. When Ragnar left, he gave Taggart and QLabs over 4 billion ISK. Managing now a property of barely 1 billion is very poor.
You were removed of your assets. Deal with it. Of course the person that did this was very smart, seems he was too smart for you at this moment. I knew of this before it happened, but i saw no reason to inform you about it.
And frankly, now that it has been done, it brings a smile on my face.
Have a nice day.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.25 14:10:00 -
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"You were removed of your assets. Deal with it. Of course the person that did this was very smart, seems he was too smart for you at this moment."
Mhm, no real use to try to hide the person's identity as long as some ex-TTi members still approach their glorious ex-leader with the same attitude.
... on their knees. ;s
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vf142rex
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Posted - 2003.12.25 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: vf142rex on 25/12/2003 17:27:45
Errr, that theory was proven wrong.
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2003.12.25 15:48:00 -
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Hmmmmmmmm.
Having read the above linkage all I can say is something smells.....fishy.
Yup... 'specially this part:
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Also I got a new watch... same watch that they gave to KGB agents. It's very cool... I think in order to keep it working I have to kill one capitalist every 24 hours. So Taggart is a good place for victims.
Or maybe I just didn¦t read it right.
Gunny you might want to check for german members too. Rudi Voeller trains the german national soccer team. So the guy who did it either is from germany or just picked the name for random reasons (which I somehow doubt).
To be honest tho, in your position, I would¦ve left. Personally I think this whole TTI thing attracts way too many RL-freaks... and I mean... the real freaks... those you really don¦t want around yourself 
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IZON
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Posted - 2003.12.25 17:15:00 -
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Edited by: IZON on 25/12/2003 17:18:22
If it were a hack why stop at tti? My condolences to tti and Gunny, but this soooo smells like an inside job. Gunny you shouldn't be so quick to rule out your most trusted senior partners (past and present). After all, if tti were a RL blue chip company the SFO (Serious Fraud Office - UK) would immediately haul in the CEO's for questioning, and youÆd be suspect number one Gunny.
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kurg
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Posted - 2003.12.25 17:46:00 -
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You were removed of your assets. Deal with it. Of course the person that did this was very smart, seems he was too smart for you at this moment. I knew of this before it happened, but i saw no reason to inform you about it.
And frankly, now that it has been done, it brings a smile on my face.
Have a nice day.
Hmm I think this is a stupid opinion, the use of alts and the deletion thereof has NOTHING to do with gameplay, and EVERYTHING to do with ABUSING holes in the game mechanics, and as such ought to be defined to be an exploit.
If it is not deifned as susch by CCP I would think it has more to do with the trouble it would cause them fixing it than anything else..
Luckily Im not affected, but I still feel that it is lame.
Sure I sometimes use an alt myself to go into dangerous areas, but alts are more often used for ridicelous things than actual gameplay, ie: alts used for spying (frequent relogs of certain chars is evidence of this), alts traveling in pods through tough NPC areas for scouting minerals etc. Its all C-R-A-P sorry but it is, and hoestly I think few people would miss it.
even the paranoid has real enemies...
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.12.25 18:11:00 -
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"You were removed of your assets. Deal with it. Of course the person that did this was very smart, seems he was too smart for you at this moment. I knew of this before it happened, but i saw no reason to inform you about it."
You know Dagny when you (and I) were at TTI I recall we were all a little upset that some people (griefers) would go out of their way to ruin the game for others. These people have no care that people would get upset and quit (as many in TTI did) as their only goal was taking advantage of someone.
TTI was designed as a real company. Unfortunately CCP totally screwed up the corporate functions (like stocks, hangars, wallets, blah blah blah) and was forced to waste MONTHS dealing with griefers who did stuff like pod newbies in 1.0 space and lag gates with cargo cans. I remember how many at TTI who were into the game for the economics were frustrated that the pvp griefers (not pirates by a long shot) so monopolized the developers time.
You watched many people quit Eve altogether and many more are leaving after this latest patch again has NOTHING for the economic side of Eve and more then a few little nerfs to deal with the constant PvP exploits, complaints, arguments and unethical tactics.
So I find it surprising that you would sit and gloat over the misfortune of the people in TTI now nor would you warn them that something like this would happen. You may be angry at GunnyP or Mark (leadership) but you surely realize that TTI is more then just those two people. What about the rank and file TTI member who works hard and expects to have some fun in Eve.
Since you apparently know who did this I'd ask you to do the honorable thing and tell us who it was. If it was an inside job then so be it. They won't get anything back. If however it was some kind of exploit or anything else I'd like to see them banned.
It's completely wrong to sit and gloat over someone elses misfortune, game or not, everyone here is a real person when it all comes down to it and comes here to have fun. If this game is supposed to be an escape from reality we sure don't need the real life axxholes here like we have in real life. People who do stuff like this may think its all game mechanics and stuff but they completely ignore the real-life consequences of what they do like other people having their fun ruined and quitting the game. Everyone should care about that.
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Old Hermit
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Posted - 2003.12.25 18:51:00 -
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Edited by: Old Hermit on 25/12/2003 18:52:34
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Calladen Nimitz (2 days to go)
And none 2 soon, and I'll believe it when I see it. How many times does this make it? 243 "I'm quitting Eve" declarations?
As for Gunny - Yeah feel sorry for him since he took a job in good faith. And that it was planned for him to be screwed over from the start. TTI, and many of those formerly of TTI, will always be that dirtiest and slimiest of the scum around.
Proof in point - You've reached a high position in CFS. Scum always raises to the top. Peter principle don't you know. And of course your time at the top was half spent explpaining why you are leaving, again and again, and the other half on your knees to pirates in some penny ante "peace process" and "treaty forming". Like you could enforce such a thing.
Sorry - TTI got what it deserved. As a company it screwed over it's own to get that money. I know, I was one of them.
As for you, you are damned eloquent but a complete dweeb. And you have to jump in with your superior air whenever the opportunity presents itself. Basically you are a whiner and a slacker, you jumped ship on TTI (probably a good thing actually), and you've helped to lead the CFS into similar troubles that TTI had.
... ... ... darn it takes forever for two days to go by... ... ... Or for a Calladen to leave!
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Yoshokun
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Posted - 2003.12.25 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Yoshokun on 25/12/2003 19:06:56
More info to come soon. Those currently experiencing a joyful bit of schadenfreude will be silenced soon enough.
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Old Hermit
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Posted - 2003.12.25 19:16:00 -
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Oh wow... not just another yapping dog but one of the liar pack.
Oh great and merciful Yoshi, the master of dancing something called the wiggly, wouldst thou not tell us now the spin, errrr, truth of the situation?
Go back to spanking your monkey and stickying up the keyboards ok?
Note: Yes, I hate Yoshi. So what...
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.12.25 19:19:00 -
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Good old TTi arrogance led to being taken down a few notches by Killer Jade Constantine and this is step II.
Eve is a game with PK and theft. If you don't like it, press unsubscribe.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Dagny
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Posted - 2003.12.25 19:34:00 -
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"You were removed of your assets. Deal with it. Of course the person that did this was very smart, seems he was too smart for you at this moment. I knew of this before it happened, but i saw no reason to inform you about it."
You know Dagny when you (and I) were at TTI I recall we were all a little upset that some people (griefers) would go out of their way to ruin the game for others. These people have no care that people would get upset and quit (as many in TTI did) as their only goal was taking advantage of someone.
TTI was designed as a real company. Unfortunately CCP totally screwed up the corporate functions (like stocks, hangars, wallets, blah blah blah) and was forced to waste MONTHS dealing with griefers who did stuff like pod newbies in 1.0 space and lag gates with cargo cans. I remember how many at TTI who were into the game for the economics were frustrated that the pvp griefers (not pirates by a long shot) so monopolized the developers time.
You watched many people quit Eve altogether and many more are leaving after this latest patch again has NOTHING for the economic side of Eve and more then a few little nerfs to deal with the constant PvP exploits, complaints, arguments and unethical tactics.
So I find it surprising that you would sit and gloat over the misfortune of the people in TTI now nor would you warn them that something like this would happen. You may be angry at GunnyP or Mark (leadership) but you surely realize that TTI is more then just those two people. What about the rank and file TTI member who works hard and expects to have some fun in Eve.
Since you apparently know who did this I'd ask you to do the honorable thing and tell us who it was. If it was an inside job then so be it. They won't get anything back. If however it was some kind of exploit or anything else I'd like to see them banned.
It's completely wrong to sit and gloat over someone elses misfortune, game or not, everyone here is a real person when it all comes down to it and comes here to have fun. If this game is supposed to be an escape from reality we sure don't need the real life axxholes here like we have in real life. People who do stuff like this may think its all game mechanics and stuff but they completely ignore the real-life consequences of what they do like other people having their fun ruined and quitting the game. Everyone should care about that.
Calladen Nimitz (2 days to go)
Yes calladen, we were pretty upset at people using combinations that were instagibs. I have never referred to being disgusted over corp thievery or any other matters of that sort.
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.12.25 19:55:00 -
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Like I said Dagny. I expected better. But from what I've found out since I guess I'll rephrase that.
I might remind you to that just because there is a line between Polaris and ingame activities Polaris people aren't supposed to use exploits nor are they supposed to violate the EULA by paying someone for access to their account to rip it off.
Just an observation.
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