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GunnyP
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Posted - 2003.12.24 18:08:00 -
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So, I log in this morning to find my corporation wallet has 1,337 isk in it. ōEliteö unghą what a great way to start a morning. When I logged off we had over 1.2 billioną
I checked the Corp hangers nextą empty. Four Battleship blueprintsą a rather large pile of mineralsą weaponsą ammoą etcą all gone.
So, just what the F is going on here? How did this happen? The character that made the withdrawal is/was Rudi Voeller. He was created on December 18th. Somehow was accepted into the Corp on the 19th. Neither I nor any of my directors accepted him. Then this morning at 06:08 GMT he made his withdrawal. Rudi then left TTI.
So how did he get in to TTI? He never applied and was never accepted officially by an active member. Whoever it is got in by one of two methods:
1. He key stroke hacked an existing director. It was not me, as I still have all my gear in my personal hanger and all of my isk. IĘve sent e-mails to my staff and asked them to check their accounts. I have also asked them to run an up-to-date virus scan on their computers.
2. There may be some other exploit that I am unaware of.
I have filed a petition to CCP. I am asking for this thief to be tracked down and banned. I have also asked that our items and isk be returned.
I understand that TTI has had a rather colorful past and that we have had our share of enemies. But this is over the top. Furthermore, why anyone would still want to be our enemy is beyond me. Since I have been CEO, TTI has been nothing but honorable and respectable. We mine our ore, build our ships and hunt Pirates from time to time. ItĘs a game and we have fun playing it.
I would like to think that this attack is just for the isk or the RL cash. I mean 1.2 billion isk would fetch $2500 on e-bayą and you could get a pile for the items too.
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Rhul
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Posted - 2003.12.24 18:14:00 -
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CCP supports this action. Expect nothing to be resolved. Only thing you'l' get here by announcing on the forums are trolls bashing you about corp security and those of character with sorrow for the lose.
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2003.12.24 18:18:00 -
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If an account was hacked, then I'm sure the GM's will see you right.
When we were hacked, they were nothing but helpful. It took a little time to get sorted, but it got sorted in the end.
Good luck Gunny, let us know how it turns out.
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Zarthan
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Posted - 2003.12.24 18:22:00 -
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CCP supports this action. Expect nothing to be resolved. Only thing you'l' get here by announcing on the forums are trolls bashing you about corp security and those of character with sorrow for the lose.
Not true, ccp condones corp thieft via in game mechanics. Meaning you accept person A they gain your trust get access, and then take everything. CCP does NOT condone hacking to theif corps, i know of one such player that was ban for it and i'm sure others have been too.
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Archa
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Posted - 2003.12.24 18:23:00 -
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hi gunny,
sorry to hear this happening to tti,
in my oppinion tti has always been a very smart corporation with bright people who easily adapt to the circumstances.
but i do wonder why you post this on the forum.
I remember a similar post a similar corp with a similar story. In the end it was a corp member that set it all up.
Why not wait till ccp is done with the research and then start a flame war?
greets
archa
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Lowery
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Posted - 2003.12.24 18:24:00 -
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It must say on the characters application who accepted him. Also can't you use the audit function on the corp screen to see who changed his privilages. If this stuff is missing then yes I think you have a case with CCP.
Lowery/Hollborn
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Cormyat Astara
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Posted - 2003.12.24 18:25:00 -
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I swear, if I was a CEO, I would keep 90% of the corp's assets in a pile of cash in my personal hangar. (Of course, then my account would probably get hacked.)
CCP really needs to create a "high-security" hangar that requires two directors to be present at once with "keys" in order to take anything out of them. This has been suggested before, but the corp-theiving is really sickening, and it hurts CCP as well. If I had all my hard work borked by some idiot corp-thief, I'd find it real hard to want to keep playing. It's a friggin game...is it really worth it?
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Mena Kumari
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Posted - 2003.12.24 18:26:00 -
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Corp theft is bad enough, but corp theft on this scale should not be tolerated by CCP. This is the kind of thing that leads to cancelled accounts and bad press - something this game needs like a hole in the head atm.
Hope CCP bans Rudi Voeller's account and returns your stuff.
BTW Rudi Voeller was a German soccer player. Do/did you have any German members in your Corp? Not accusing anyone but it could be something to think about.
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Lowery
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Posted - 2003.12.24 18:29:00 -
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If this was done without hacking or anything like that then I think well done to Rudi. It's just part of the game. There must have been an insider though.
Lowery/Hollborn
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crice
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Posted - 2003.12.24 18:30:00 -
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That really sucks!
Crice
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Extravagant
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Posted - 2003.12.24 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Extravagant on 24/12/2003 18:39:46
Where did you store your battleship BP's? Most corporations have them stored in hangars which only a limited number of people have access to, I am assuming TTI is no different.
All in all, a bad situation for TTI. I hope you recover from this.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.12.24 18:41:00 -
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If it was within allowed game parameters, it's legitimate buisness (tm). Cry yourself a river.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2003.12.24 18:47:00 -
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i hope that it was a hack gunny otherwise you wont get anything back. Good luck mate
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.12.24 18:49:00 -
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GunnyP, I'm sorry to hear this, you don't deserve it after your efforts to reform TTI since the Venal war.
But you have to be very careful now in investigating this.
The hiring of this "Rudi Voeller" chap must be logged as an action to one of your directors or people with personnel rights.
And the access granting to the various hangers also.
If someones account was hacked then they should very quickly notice that they are credited with an action they didn't take at a time when they were not on.
Then CCP can cross check the access IP against the usual players details.
Unfortunately.
If the rat *is* one of your directors (who created an alt, okayed his own application, and then cleaned out the corp) ... the chances are the only word you will get from CCP is ... "it was done in-game and fairly".
For your sake I hope its the former.
Good luck GunnyP.
(remember ultimately ... stuff is just stuff ... I am personally recovering from losing most of my money due to a corp thief, and to be honest, the game is still nice, and its a challenge having to earn a living without a stake again - skills are the important thing, and reputation of course).
Love and peace
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.12.24 18:55:00 -
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It's propably one of your directors that are defecting. Which is of course perfectly within game parameters.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2003.12.24 19:04:00 -
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oh u little newby thing, as former CEO i remember you can actually see who gave who what access and when, cant remember what its called but its somewhere there in the corp stuff. Now go there and check and you have your purpetrator.
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2003.12.24 19:06:00 -
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Oh and btw my crystal balls tell me this thread is going to go beyond 10 pages.
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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GunnyP
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Posted - 2003.12.24 19:07:00 -
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First of allą IĘm not crying a river for anyone. This is an unfortunate incident nothing more. The items and isk can all be replaced. This is just a game after all. If I remain silent about it however, some other Corp may suffer the same fate. My main goal is to get my items and isk back from CCP. My secondary goal is to raise awareness so that others may learn from this.
When I took over I went through everyoneĘs hanger access and removed it all. I then renamed the hangers and gave out the permissions I wanted. We maintained the BPĘs in their own hanger and only 4 people had access to them. The minerals were in another hanger and everyone could see them, but not take anything out. Also, only 4 people had access to the Corp wallet. MarkA and I are the only 2 to have access to both. The other 2 for each were different people.
Could someone have slipped through the *****s? Maybeą I had to go through all 180 members after all. But for someone to still be a director? I think notą I hope not at any rate.
Soą the investigation continues.
Rudi was accepted into the Corp by a char named Blaylock. Blaylock has never been seen by meą or anyone that is still in TTI. Blaylock left TTI last night. Funny though, as if you look up Blaylock nową heĘs a char that was created last night and was never in TTI.
CCP is being helpful, but they are thinking its an inside job so far. I will ofc keep you all updated.
OH... BTW... Merry Christmas.
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Lowery
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Posted - 2003.12.24 19:12:00 -
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This does seem very dodgy. I hope CCP refund all your missing stuff.
Lowery/Hollborn
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2003.12.24 19:16:00 -
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OH GOD WILL YOU THINK
Blaylock has OBVIOUSLY been deleted and remade, so no trace. Probably the same thing with that Rudi guy.
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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ColdFuzion
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Posted - 2003.12.24 19:28:00 -
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*sends 1 isk to GunnyP* 
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GunnyP
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Posted - 2003.12.24 19:28:00 -
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OH GOD WILL YOU THINK
Blaylock has OBVIOUSLY been deleted and remade, so no trace. Probably the same thing with that Rudi guy.
OFC the guy deleted Blaylock and created a new oneą IĘm not daft. But because he hasą I have no trace of him being in TTI. I have no idea how long he was in TTI or the possibility of finding out who accepted himą one of the current directors or someone from the past... or someone hacking the system? CCP doesnĘt even know due to a ōlog cleanup?ö All they know is that he was in TTI at one point and accepted Rudi.
But this thread is not about flamesą IĘll wait until I have a lot more information before I post again.
Merry Christmas
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2003.12.24 19:45:00 -
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This is just my opinion, but, isin't it rather hard to keep track of 180 members and their "rights". It is obvious to most that tti has nowhere near that many members that are active. Before I joined evol, I was a ceo of a corp that was around 65-70 members. I made it policy that anyone I didn't see for a long while, was kicked, with a eve-mail explaining, telling to just rejoin if became active again. I looked at it as protection against those who could have sold acct's via e-bay or whatever. Hate to have a director who was afk 3mos log on and clean u out to set himself back up in game.
Retaining inactive members on your roster has no benefit.
Just my opinion.
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John Zeppe
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Posted - 2003.12.24 20:05:00 -
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Corp theft done the lame way.
If people only could use their main chars, lamers. 
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Lockheed
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Posted - 2003.12.24 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: Lockheed on 24/12/2003 20:16:17
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I swear, if I was a CEO, I would keep 90% of the corp's assets in a pile of cash in my personal hangar. (Of course, then my account would probably get hacked.)
CCP really needs to create a "high-security" hangar that requires two directors to be present at once with "keys" in order to take anything out of them. This has been suggested before, but the corp-theiving is really sickening, and it hurts CCP as well. If I had all my hard work borked by some idiot corp-thief, I'd find it real hard to want to keep playing. It's a friggin game...is it really worth it?
No offense to any1, but finally someone with a clue on security. Yes, ceo should have the majority of the key items and 90% of the isk in his own alt's hangar. Anyone that needs anything can wait until you get on.
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Thorsten Kabrinski
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Posted - 2003.12.24 20:12:00 -
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hm, this Blaylock guy has been sitting in y-4cfk for month now, I saw him there a few times....he never left station (at least not when we where outside  )...I believe he is there since nva settled there 
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2003.12.24 20:50:00 -
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Cant you check your auditing?
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Gravedancer
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Posted - 2003.12.24 20:52:00 -
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go to the applications tab of the corp info and right click on it, it will show you who accepted the application into the corp. If it doesnt show anyone as having accepted it that would be something to take a screen shot of as it would be good indication of some hack into the EVE database. You need to do it soon though because if the character gets deleted its application gets removed (as you probably know). Another thing to look at is the EVEmails you (as CEO) should have gotten from the eve system showing A) when the person applied and B) when they were accepted and by whom.
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Gravedancer
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Posted - 2003.12.24 21:01:00 -
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Rudi was accepted into the Corp by a char named Blaylock. Blaylock has never been seen by meą or anyone that is still in TTI. Blaylock left TTI last night. Funny though, as if you look up Blaylock nową heĘs a char that was created last night and was never in TTI.
Sounds like Blaylock was an old character with director priviladges that was missed. He probably created the alt Rudy or whatever, approved his own app, robbed the corp blind, and then deleted the blaylock character. Once the character was deleted, I would assume he could create a new character with the same name (in fact I know this to be true because my daughter messed up during character creation and deleted her character (waiting like 5 hours or something) and then created it again with the same name). That would explain why the character showed as a new character. All in all sounds like an inside job and not some uber hack. It does suck though. You can bet im double and triple checking everyones permissions when I get home even if it does take a while to go through 100 or so of them.
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Raven DeBlade
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Posted - 2003.12.24 21:14:00 -
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This is truly sad GunnyP enemies or not, this has nothing to do with gameplay, i really hope your stuff gets back.
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