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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.12.26 01:26:00 -
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Dagny,
OK thats good. Then I'm sure you wont mind if you ARE the person who ripped off TTI if the certain former TTI member whom you paid off to access his account would publically show us all his wallet so we could see WHO paid him to give them access?
Likewise if you did do this I would expect you to not be a coward and just come out and admit it instead of hiding. Come out and tell us all why you did this and why your so proud of yourself.
I mean being a common thief. Hey thats something to aspire too. If it was you of course.
I recall a couple of months ago a Polaris member was fired because they were posting "in character - regular" on the Eve forums and slamming carebears and trolling and the like. So even though that had nothing to do with Polaris they dumped the person. That leads me to believe that even Polaris has some rules against unethical conduct ingame. Unethical like paying someone off to use their account to rip off a corp?
Calladen Nimitz
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.26 01:32:00 -
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Quite the contrary Jash. I just expect people to respect one another. I'm not the type of person for example who would go out of his way to totally screw up someones gaming experience. I wont sit and pod newbies in 1.0 space for example. I wont clean out a corp wallet because I know real people worked for that "play money" and it would hurt them.
I guess I'm just guilty of being a human being. Game or not. Being a common thief is just plain wrong.
CCP needs to publically brand these people AND ALL THEIR ALTS so we can see who the "thief" is in Eve. Just as we have WANTED across the face of wanted people I'd like to see THIEF across ALL characters of a corp thief.
If theyre so proud of what theyve done they should have the guts to just come out and admit it instead of hiding behind alts and a Polaris nametag.
BTW Josephine, dump the "hypothetical". It did happen that way and I'll be interested to see if CCP cans this thread and my posts in a coverup instead of coming clean about what one of their own did.
Calladen Nimitz 
I won't say what you are. It violates a few of the forum rules. My issue here is being tired of people attempting to shove their morality down the throats of others. So please spare me the speeches from the Moral High Ground. Spare me the accusations that you cannot prove. Spare me the libel. Just spare me.
Attempting to enforce morality causes this game more harm than good. Just as it does the real world.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Dagny
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Posted - 2003.12.26 01:35:00 -
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Edited by: Dagny on 26/12/2003 01:36:21
Actually, being addressed like this means i have to keep replying. (edit).
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Dagny,
OK thats good. Then I'm sure you wont mind if you ARE the person who ripped off TTI if the certain former TTI member whom you paid off to access his account would publically show us all his wallet so we could see WHO paid him to give them access?
Likewise if you did do this I would expect you to not be a coward and just come out and admit it instead of hiding. Come out and tell us all why you did this and why your so proud of yourself.
I mean being a common thief. Hey thats something to aspire too. If it was you of course.
I recall a couple of months ago a Polaris member was fired because they were posting "in character - regular" on the Eve forums and slamming carebears and trolling and the like. So even though that had nothing to do with Polaris they dumped the person. That leads me to believe that even Polaris has some rules against unethical conduct ingame. Unethical like paying someone off to use their account to rip off a corp?
Calladen Nimitz
Go right ahead. You want a copy of my wallet too?
It's around 240 million now. Only output the last two days is buying stuff agent wants,and only input is stuff sold off the market (meaning SCC improved goods).
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.12.26 01:54:00 -
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No Dagny I dont want a view of your wallet. The Dagny I knew was a good and honorable person. I'll settle for you saying "I nor none of my alts had anything to do with this". If you say that I'll trust you. I would also like you to reveal who did do it then since you know about it. Why would you protect a common thief?
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.12.26 01:57:00 -
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"I won't say what you are. It violates a few of the forum rules. My issue here is being tired of people attempting to shove their morality down the throats of others."
Im not trying to do that Jash. Im just stating where I stand on the issue of honesty and trust. If you don't stand on the "high ground" and feel uncomfortable with someone saying they do it seems you are the one with the problem. By the way your application to join Libertas last month was rejected. I was a little surprised to see it in the corp tab.
No one is forcing morality on anyone. But likewise there is nothing wrong with taking the high ground and expressing disgust and dismay at those who dont. If this is just a game why does that bother you so much?
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.26 02:13:00 -
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"I won't say what you are. It violates a few of the forum rules. My issue here is being tired of people attempting to shove their morality down the throats of others."
Im not trying to do that Jash. Im just stating where I stand on the issue of honesty and trust. If you don't stand on the "high ground" and feel uncomfortable with someone saying they do it seems you are the one with the problem.
I'm quite comfortable with my balance between Saint and Sinner as it stands. I'm one of those people that realizes more evil has been done in the name of good than good itself. Usually by those who find it necessary to browbeat others with how 'moral' they are.
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By the way your application to join Libertas last month was rejected. I was a little surprised to see it in the corp tab.
Try checking the spelling and race of who applied. I have a doppleganger. Nice to see you're observant enough to confuse an Amarrian Jash Illiam with a Minmatar Jash Illian
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No one is forcing morality on anyone. But likewise there is nothing wrong with taking the high ground and expressing disgust and dismay at those who dont. If this is just a game why does that bother you so much?
Calladen
What bothers me in this game is what bothers me about any game that has a strong PvP element and the moralists begin 'expressing their disgust'. They screw up the game worse than the people they're disgusted by. Trying to force others to fight 'honorably' and 'fair' through mechanics usually ends up pooching things for everyone.
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Me? I'm dishonest, and a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest... Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for, because you can never predict when they're going to do something incredibly... stupid.
I can trust a pirate to be a pirate. Worse he can do is destroy me when it's least profitable for me.
I can never trust what stupidity a honest man is capable of. 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Dagny
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Posted - 2003.12.26 02:14:00 -
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"I nor none of my alts had anything to do with this, except knowing in advance."
And no, i wont tell who it was.
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Agent Shield
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Posted - 2003.12.26 02:25:00 -
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An IN-GAME 'character' stole from an IN-GAME 'corporation'; all is fine in this world and a part of Eve.
It doesn't matter what real person was behind the account or character; the character IN-GAME was the one who did it.
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Chuffer
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Posted - 2003.12.26 02:38:00 -
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Playboy got robbed, techell got robbed, many other corps have been robbed. Like it or not its part of the game, if CEO's took better care of their assets it would never happen. Just like ore theifs & scammers only peoples stupidity allows them to profit in this game.
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.12.26 03:12:00 -
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OK Dagny thanks for clearing that up. If your willing to protect a common thief I guess the Eve community at large will decide how to treat you in the future. As for me I guess I'm just disappointed.
Calladen
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Dagny
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Posted - 2003.12.26 03:14:00 -
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OK Dagny thanks for clearing that up. If your willing to protect a common thief I guess the Eve community at large will decide how to treat you in the future. As for me I guess I'm just disappointed.
Calladen
No one is forcing morality on anyone.
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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2003.12.26 03:22:00 -
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Jash, I have plenty of real life friends. Theyre the kind of people who really give a damn about other people. So even in a game they realize people can and are hurt by crap like this. People who worked hard at TTI to build something only to have it stolen by some pathetic individual who doesnt even have the common decency to post his REAL INGAME NAME here. Instead he used some pathetic alt to rip off TTI.
Calladen, I have all the friends I want in life. I do not go looking for more friends than I already have. So every new friend I gain is a surprise. I do not go about expecting cooperation from others unless required by the circumstances. So those that refuse to cooperate do not disappoint me and those that do, without any onus to do so, make life more pleasant.
Everything about you and the speeches you have given says the opposite. You expect people to coorperate with you. To work with you towards a common goal in harmony. To be your friend.
Why in God's name you picked up a game built entirely around physical, political and economic PvP I haven't a clue. But...
Life must be terribly disappointing for you, Calladen, to find out repeatedly not everyone wants to be your friend.
Jash is so cool 
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2003.12.26 03:22:00 -
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I'll probably get flamed for saying this, but one is used to that by now.
If it wasn't TTI then no one would have argued against u Calladen.
Reverend Necrona |
Fargas
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Posted - 2003.12.26 03:48:00 -
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Thanks for saving my day. The last pages on this thread is hilariously funny.
Oh and one more thing. Repeat after me please.
T h i s i s j u s t a g a m e .
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.12.26 03:50:00 -
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Nah thats a load of old tosh at this stage Tehel. TTI is no different now from any other corp. GunnyP pretty successfully repackaged TTI away from Ragnar-era arrogance and monomania.
This thread has evoked a lot of venom sure, but its tinged with the acid taste of internal betrayal (which it is beginning to sound like).
Inside job from a director or someone doing something dodgy with lending accounts is grim of course, but not really account hacking...
It sucks for honest players trying to help out Gunny and Mark in making taggart a viable corp again, but its probably valid (if sucky) play.
On the swansong of mr Nimitz, well, he and I always disagreed on the PVP nature of Eve.
I, for example, believe passionately in the essential chance for non-consensual pvp anywhere in the setting. I think corporations should have to factor in military reality into their planning and economic schemes.
But, I do believe the Empire / Lawless space division should mean something. And it shouldn't be viable or profitable for a combat corp to consistantly gank (without war dec) a target organisation in empire space.
Single hits and assasinations and hit and run ... sure.
But no large scale mass ganking ops.
But the game rules have to be introduced to make this all pretty much watertight and foolproof. History shows that the naughtiest players in eve are the best at exploiting loopholes.
Longterm I hope that Empire does turn into a place that Caladen dreamed it might be, ie, a haven for industrialists and peaceful players.
While 0.0 should be the wild frontier and a place for brigands and heroes and the rise and fall of empires.
Eve the game needs both realities.
Trying to promote one at the exclusion of the other seems against all the fundimental paradigms and expectations of the game.
Love and peace
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.26 04:09:00 -
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I'll probably get flamed for saying this, but one is used to that by now.
If it wasn't TTI then no one would have argued against u Calladen.
Oddly enough if I chose to grind old axes, there's one in my closet with your corp's name on it much bigger than TTi's.
Based on what I observed without the coloring of other people's conjectures and manipulations, there was nothing substantial for me to like nor dislike TTi. Great website, nice try at a corporate ethic, some pure genius in economic movements.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Black Roger
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Posted - 2003.12.26 04:35:00 -
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Taggart Transimensional,
Sorry to hear about your loss guys. I hope you recover soon. A close friends corporation was ripped off too.
CCP should make some serious changes or it wouldn't surprise me if they aren't sued soon for their lack of controls. The real life ammount of money that is stolen here is just plain crazy.
I'm sure I won't be flamed for this comment. That would be a violation of the forum rules after all. 
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Madcap Magician
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Posted - 2003.12.26 05:10:00 -
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I can't believe you'd have to dig through this entire thread but here's an idea:
Why not check the Chaos server for your employment and auditing histories? Granted, it would probably not be accepted due to the info being kept on a seperate machine, but it might help you get on with the game.
Respectfully,
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.12.26 05:25:00 -
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Jade: You mean hit and die missions, surely?
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.26 05:30:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 26/12/2003 05:51:40
"Why not check the Chaos server for your employment and auditing histories?"
... Well, that's one of those "D'oh!" moments for sure. Apparently it neither didn't occur to Mr.Blaylock, seeing how he forgot to delete his original character from Chaos server... :s
(would be a member of TTi for 7 months and 19 days as of today, btw... quite a sleeper, huh? ;)
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.26 05:39:00 -
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"Why not check the Chaos server for your employment and auditing histories?"
... Well, that's one of those "D'oh!" moments for sure. Apparently it neither didn't occur to Mr.Blaylock, seeing how he forgot to delete his original character from Chaos server... :s
Waitwaitwait! They can't do that!
Using such an investigative method would be outside the game! Chaos isn't part of the Tranquility universe.
Hmm...wonder if that will cause a minor moral dilemna for Mr. Nimitz
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.12.26 05:43:00 -
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Jade,
Your exactly right about my view of what empire space is supposed to be like. If the griefers (or gankers as you called them) had jsut behaved in the beginning we'd have never had all the patches and problems we have now. But when you have people podding newbies in 1.0 space, lagging people out with cargo cans and mining drones and using improperly stacked modules (exploits) and combine that with a game company who lets it all go (CCP) I guess this is what you get.
Sadly there is a group of players who think Eve is only about PvP and nothing else. Eventually they will be all thats left and they can kill each other. I know my old corp is leaving enmass (all four of us) and several other people have emailed me about other games that dont have the problems Eve does.
Oh I'm sure Eve will get along fine. There are enough dysfunctional unethical people in the world to play games and take sick pleasure in causing other people pain so Eve will do just fine. Imagine maybe in a few years it'll be a game of 5000 people like Tank CEO and Lord Zap. Now theres a group of quality ethical people who really care about other people!
By the way they checked the logs on Choas and know who did this. I'll leave that for GunnyP to reveal as I'm down to one day after midnight. I'm sure so many of you who were expressing how nice it will be for me to go will throw a party so knock yourselves out.
After all we see Eve in all the stores, advertised in magazines and TV and see hundreds of new players a month coming into the game right? Whats a few more carebears leaving going to do? You get your wish.
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Ikeiron Saito
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Posted - 2003.12.26 05:46:00 -
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If anyone here has actually read Atlas Shrugged, then you will make the resounding connections to the events in the book, and all the events that have taken place here at Taggart Transdimensional.
"If you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of his strength, and the greater his effort the heavier the world bore down upon his shoulders - what would you tell him to do?"
"I... don't know. What... could he do? What would you tell him?"
"To shrug."
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Earl Dumarest
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Posted - 2003.12.26 06:04:00 -
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What really amazes me is not the theft of the assets, or the venom and bile produced in discussing this topic, but the fact that I wasted 30 minutes reading all 8 pages. Talk about an exciting Xmas.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.12.26 06:13:00 -
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Jade: You mean hit and die missions, surely?
Well here's the thing; I think Concord Insta-gank response sucks the big one. I really really want to see a graded response from concord that clamps down on repeated violence in system but that does allow single acts of hostility to be committed with a realistic chance of the perpetrator escaping.
Why shouldn't a vessel loaded for bear a chance at hitting a soft target and slipping away in the confusion while police congregate on the crime spot?
The system should then be flagged as a trouble spot and extra policed, and future hostility from the criminal should be more noticable from the police.
But what this game really needs is a fuzzier logic for handling limited violence.
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.12.26 06:23:00 -
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Dagny,
I wanted to apologize to you publically for ripping on you. It was wrong to drag Polaris into a personal dispute and I'm sorry. I trust your word when you say you didnt do this corp theft - your word has always been good to me.
I hope you can tell the real people at TTI who had their efforts ripped away who did this. No common thief should be protected and I'm sure you'll do the honorable thing and reveal who it is.
Best wishes to everyone and a Merry Christmas.
Calladen
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2003.12.26 06:28:00 -
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CN: you claimed you found out who it was on Chaos so stop prolonging this farce and reveal the culprit yourself !! 
MOOrovingian  "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.12.26 07:01:00 -
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Veruna, don't dis-respect Ayn Rand. Communist idiot.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.12.26 07:09:00 -
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Being a common theif is not wrong, it's a legitimate buisness.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Atandros
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Posted - 2003.12.26 08:05:00 -
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Edited by: Reverend Necrona on 26/12/2003 00:14:33
Well this entire thread makes me feel sick.
The community of eve is a twisted one.
Yeah.
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