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Atandros	Posted - 2003.12.25 20:03:00 - [91] If someone goes to such lengths to do something like that over ingame stuff... hands Calladen a box of rusty nails and a hammer
Stavros	Posted - 2003.12.25 20:05:00 - [92] Edited by: Stavros on 25/12/2003 20:21:24 Calladen you fit the definition of griefer the best. You think that your play style is the only one that matters and you would gladly see anyone who pvp'ed at all removed from eve, just to allow you to carry on in your own convoluted little world. And I fail to see how u 'dealt' with us so called 'griefers' as you so hypocritcally label us, never once did we get attacked by TTi and the only time u guys tried to buy us out, you let down your end of the bargain. SO I fail to see how it took months out of your schedule. Hurry up and quit already... Merry xmas! Stav -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
vf142rex	Posted - 2003.12.25 20:06:00 - [93] Is it possible that a thread about TTI will be under 10 pages,,,ever? Next thing you know, someones gonna bring up the magic hat...oops
Cao Cao	Posted - 2003.12.25 20:34:00 - [94] GunnyP, If I weren't a pirate I would apply to join TTi. I am a big Ayn Rand fan, and Atlas Shrugged is one of my top 5 books of all-time. Not to mention that every TTi member I have ever dealt with in-game has been nothing but a very honorable, outstanding person. Corp theft makes me sick. I can't ******* believe it came to you guys, I REALLY hope that you get everything returned. It would truly be a shame if a person who so obviously hacked his way into your corporate wallet and hangars were able to get away with it.
Fargas	Posted - 2003.12.25 20:35:00 - [95] This thread began good and have turned into some sort of .. TTI-ish. This is a game. It's not life. If you have taken this game so seriously that you in fact even consider applying real life social conducts on people within the context called Tranquility, you're way off. This is a game. A fiction. Fantasy. A make up story created by you and me and everyone else. If you do not like a certain type of style in this makeup fantasyworld, then try and avoid it and you'll be fine. If you cannot tolerate it at all, just leave the game entirely. Yes. It's bad when people rip off other people. If there was no OOC means how they managed to rip off TTI, then everything is within the boundaries of the game. If not, let CCP handle it and go on play the game THE WAY YOU WANT. But don't get yourself on a high horse and look down on anyone else not playing it like you. (Sorry for spelling and gramma.)
Ly'sol	Posted - 2003.12.25 20:56:00 - [96] GunnyP Theft is a unfortunate risk we all take in working as a team for different goals. Unfortunately sometimes idividual needs for status and greed steps in front of the team. I have heard a lot of good about TTI reform and such and I hope for your expeditant recovery and possibly catching your would be thief. It would be nice if there were things like VIN numbers on blueprints and such -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
Calladen Nimitz	Posted - 2003.12.25 21:44:00 - [97] "You think that your play style is the only one that matters and you would gladly see anyone who pvp'ed at all removed from eve, just to allow you to carry on in your own convoluted little world." Oh by the way Stavros. My "play style" doesnt affect anyone else. On the contrary I'd say some who demands that everyone is subject to THEIR playstyle and having their game "ruined" (like you for instance) is the real griefer. If you want PvP so much why dont you fight Evolution or SA or any of those other alliances? Why do we see m0o sitting CFS space podding people in indys? Your not pirates you dont hold them up. You just blow them up. Some things dont change with time do they?
Calladen Nimitz	Posted - 2003.12.25 21:45:00 - [98] Stavros, We all remember m0o podding newbies in 1.0 space after the GM's broke up your little cargo can exploit session with improperly stacked modules in Mara/Passari. You then ADMITED to using these exploit modules on the board but "claimed" to be "exposing the game mechanic errors". Oh so honorable I can hardly stand it its enough to make someone puke. m0o's history of griefing and using exploits is very well documented so don't even bother going there you lose that argument. I have no problem with PvP in Eve. I have no problem with "pirates" in Eve. I have a real problem with axxholes like xxx who run around thinking up new ways to exploit game mechanics and monopolize the developers time trying to come up with nerfs and patches. You blame the carebears for all these patches? Try blaming yourself. Its the immature behavior of griefers who have led to the rash of patches and nerfs and the huge delay in high level content. If you clowns had learned to behave and be "pirates" instead of psycho serial killers we wouldn't be having this discussion. If you clowns could just figure out how to behave we wouldn't have the situation we have today. If CCP had done their job and BANNED the exploiters and griefers early on we'd have just "honest pirates" like the BOX says instead of SOCIAL MISFITS taking out their real life inadequacies in a video game. If m0o had just been pirates and held people up in the early stages we wouldn't have had all the outrage and those God-awful patches early on that exiled you to 0.0 space. You blame carebears? Blame yourself. You did it to yourself. As for how I dealt with you and the griefers early on I wrote several letters ALL OF WHICH WERE REPLIED TO by various executives at CCP and Simon and Schuster complaining about griefers. You don't think it helped? Look at those early patches buddy. It helped alot having your sorry tails kicked out of empire space so you'd stop griefing people who wanted to play Eve for the 100 reasons other then PvP. So my own little convoluted world is one where I say LEAVE ME THE FXXK ALONE AXXHOLE and let me play in peace. If you want PvP so bad fight other people who want it also. I find it incredibily amazing that all these PvP people seem so focused on fighting people who DONT WANT TO FIGHT. They're kind of like bullies in real life who pick on the smallest target. Yep your a real man Stavros. Fargas, you think its "dumb" to apply real life standards to a game? Well tell me this what kind of person in a game would take the hard earned assets other people have built up then mock them for it? Sounds like a loser to me. People don't seem to realize some people put alot of time into Eve and "believe" in the game. I used to be like that but to be honest with all the axxhole griefers running around in "wars" harrassing people and smack-talking like ten year olds in chat channels have really opened my eyes to one thing. If this is supposed to be a game and fun why should we have to deal with axxholes ingame who are probably just that way in real life too? As for this corp theft it looks like an inside job "sort of". It looks like someone sold someone else access to their account so they could rip off TTI. If that is the case it is clearly out of game (selling accounts is against the EULA thus selling access to accounts is also a violation). If it turns out that person is also in Polaris or a GM and did this I would expect them to be tossed and banned. Just as Polaris people have been kicked out of the program for trolling on the boards there is a "line" they aren't supposed to cross. If what is believed to have happend did actually happen theres some real problems with credibility to be addressed. Ah that felt good. Two days left and I get to rant about the jerks in Eve. The real shame is about 98% of the people who play this game are fine upstanding people. Its the 2% that have caused all the problems time and time again. Calladen
Veruna Caseti	Posted - 2003.12.25 21:46:00 - [99] Ayn Rand is a pompous fool and the laughing stock of modern philosophy. Veruna Caseti Ishukone
Veruna Caseti	Posted - 2003.12.25 21:46:00 - [100] Ayn Rand is a pompous fool and the laughing stock of modern philosophy. Veruna Caseti Ishukone
Fredrick Barbarosa	Posted - 2003.12.25 21:54:00 - [101] Calladen needs a chill pill
Old Hermit	Posted - 2003.12.25 21:58:00 - [102] 2 days and counting... Click To Submit News
Fargas	Posted - 2003.12.25 22:10:00 - [103] Edited by: Fargas on 25/12/2003 22:12:29 Quote: Fargas, you think its "dumb" to apply real life standards to a game? Well tell me this what kind of person in a game would take the hard earned assets other people have built up then mock them for it? Sounds like a loser to me. People don't seem to realize some people put alot of time into Eve and "believe" in the game. I used to be like that but to be honest with all the axxhole griefers running around in "wars" harrassing people and smack-talking like ten year olds in chat channels have really opened my eyes to one thing. If this is supposed to be a game and fun why should we have to deal with axxholes ingame who are probably just that way in real life too? Yes. As I stated, my opinion in this matter is: It's a dumb move to apply real world values into a FICTIONAL WORLD that are to be taken place 24000 years ahead of real life. I cannot say it anymore clear than this: The context of EVE has nothing todo with real world as of today. Nothing. If it IS within the game mechanics, there is no case. If there are someone that are willing to make a move by actually robbing someone else blind, let them. It's within the context of the game. Nondepending if you put your entire life into creating something within EVE, it is still not an excuse NOT to be on the losers end in such events. Your decision to spend the time on something fictional and no one elses. You have to make sure this will not happen to you. That's what you can do. If you don't want to risk it, don't do it. If you don't like having pirates around A2-V2? Don't go there. Stay in Empire space and be safe, rely on someone else to supply you with valuable ore. That's what you can do except arranging the removal of the pilots you don't want to see around where you travel. Two options, your choice. And by the way, you can put pilots on the ignorelist. And selling an account is legit according to the updated EULA. Kindly, Fargas
Lomex	Posted - 2003.12.25 22:46:00 - [104] Selling an account (Full account) is provided for by the EULA given certain conditions. Selling access to an account would count as a partial sale, or rental of the account. That is against the EULA which is a legally binding contract between player and CCP. Bannable offence if proved. Difficult to do so though. ___________________________________________ Join in the NEW Sci-Fi Quiz
Calladen Nimitz	Posted - 2003.12.25 23:01:00 - [105] Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 25/12/2003 23:12:58 "If it IS within the game mechanics, there is no case. " If it IS I'll agre with you. But what if someone paid you to allow them to access YOUR account Fargas so they could clean out a corp you had a member in? Is that "game mechanics" or not? That looks like a partial sale of the account and a violation of the EULA to me. Now imagine for a moment the person involved is a high ranking Polaris member or CCP person. I know for a FACT that GunnyP has already been advised to be careful about exposing to much: <GunnyP> if you did not have director access to tti.. then how did you know how much was in the corp wallet prior to the theft? <XXXXX> from the guy that took it. <XXXXX> or let me rephrase <XXXXX> from the player that took it. <XXXXX> however, i understnad this is bad for you and .. well too bad i dont feel sorry. <XXXXX> however! <XXXXX> i would step -very- carefully with what information you post on the boards that goes way 'past' the player character. <GunnyP> are you threating me? <XXXXX> i'm trying to save you trouble. <GunnyP> well. thank you Could it be a high ranking person either in CCP or Polaris is threatening a player who plans to expose the existence of a thief? Could it be that one of CCP's trusted violated that trust by violating the EULA, paying off another player to access his account as a "trusted friend" just to rip it off? Then we have the person who rented the account saying he was "stunned at the theft". He claims he didn't know anything about the theft and has already paid GunnyP a big chunk of change (what he colleted for access) but nowhere near what was stolen. This is clearly OUT OF GAME to access someone ELSES account like this whether with permission or not. In addition to that CCP has completely failed at corp security as you can't even delete someone who isn't online. Despite having gone thru the entire TTI membership roster online ingame and deleting everyones access its very "strange" that someone would regain access and that someone could possibly be related to CCP in some way? If so what really happend with that players access? All of this is just hypothetical of course but chatlogs tell alot. All it says in this case is someone with a grudge against TTI VIOLATED THE EULA by accessing someone elses account after paying them off to steal all thier assets. I would expect CCP to return them and ban BOTH offenders. Calladen Nimitz
Calladen Nimitz	Posted - 2003.12.25 23:11:00 - [106] I'll define my statement so everyone knows exactly what I mean. CCP says ingame corp theft is ok. You shouldn't trust people. I can live with that. So Player A joins a corp and moves up to Director. Hes trusted, they know him, everything is great. Now lets say Player B is a real life friend of Player A. Player B hates Player A's corp and used to be a member. So one day Player B offers Player A a bribe to let him log onto Player A's account (as Player A) to "spy". Player A goes along and says "sure". The next day Player A's corp is cleaned out. Its found that Player A's character had approved an alt to join, cleaned everything out, then split and deleted himself. Now according to some thats fair but its not. You see Player A (the one the corp members trusted) isn't the thief - only his character is. The actual Player A didn't do it. So the arguments about "letting people into the corp" are moot because Player B was never let into the corp. He bought access to Player A's account. So it is OUT OF GAME. Calladen Nimitz
WhiteK	Posted - 2003.12.25 23:20:00 - [107] Hi calladen! You sir are the definition of carebear, your also a fine exemple of the trash thats killing the mmorpg industry. Allow me to pull your head out of your ass an enlighten you on a couple of points: The exact same CCP execs you sent letters too crying like an 8 year old girl about how the bad pk podded you, are also the people who RAN A FREAKING PK CREW back in UO. Where not talking about pvp'ers, were talking miner killing, newbie griefing, powergaming mofos whose tag alone would make all the little carebears cry and rant on the forums, much like yourself. Campion? Remeber him? Old school member of The Cabal, yet another old UO guild, who guess what, also PK'ED LIKE FREAKING CANCER. To actually take time from ones life to write to some freaking game devs sobbing about how you got PK only shows how truly sad your life must be. And im sure the devs were laughing their asses off as they wrote you back saying "yes yes we are aware of the problem, excuse me while i take your money to the bank" In fact little man, eve didint set out to be a mining simulator, It set out to be a pvp game, with a pk element well implemented. Never was this game intended to be another neon loot whoring game, where carebears would sprout like mushrooms and be free to roam around and collect the useless binary code they call loot. Unfortunaly, people like yourself have no life. So you whine on the forums, send letters, make petitions, sob like small children, and harass developers until you change the game to suit what you think is the correct model. and whats the end result? A pussfied version of eve. Were non consentual pvp happens only in a tiny corner of the universe and everyone is free to farm their money and repeat the same boring ass treadmill until you press the cancel button. It sucks, its pathetic, and we have you to thank for. http://www.the-combine.com/
Lagar	Posted - 2003.12.25 23:47:00 - [108] pillage....
Lord Zap	Posted - 2003.12.25 23:47:00 - [109] Quote: Stavros, We all remember m0o podding newbies in 1.0 space after the GM's broke up your little cargo can exploit session with improperly stacked modules in Mara/Passari. You then ADMITED to using these exploit modules on the board but "claimed" to be "exposing the game mechanic errors". Oh so honorable I can hardly stand it its enough to make someone puke. m0o's history of griefing and using exploits is very well documented so don't even bother going there you lose that argument. I have no problem with PvP in Eve. I have no problem with "pirates" in Eve. I have a real problem with axxholes like xxx who run around thinking up new ways to exploit game mechanics and monopolize the developers time trying to come up with nerfs and patches. You blame the carebears for all these patches? Try blaming yourself. Its the immature behavior of griefers who have led to the rash of patches and nerfs and the huge delay in high level content. If you clowns had learned to behave and be "pirates" instead of psycho serial killers we wouldn't be having this discussion. If you clowns could just figure out how to behave we wouldn't have the situation we have today. If CCP had done their job and BANNED the exploiters and griefers early on we'd have just "honest pirates" like the BOX says instead of SOCIAL MISFITS taking out their real life inadequacies in a video game. If m0o had just been pirates and held people up in the early stages we wouldn't have had all the outrage and those God-awful patches early on that exiled you to 0.0 space. You blame carebears? Blame yourself. You did it to yourself. As for how I dealt with you and the griefers early on I wrote several letters ALL OF WHICH WERE REPLIED TO by various executives at CCP and Simon and Schuster complaining about griefers. You don't think it helped? Look at those early patches buddy. It helped alot having your sorry tails kicked out of empire space so you'd stop griefing people who wanted to play Eve for the 100 reasons other then PvP. So my own little convoluted world is one where I say LEAVE ME THE FXXK ALONE AXXHOLE and let me play in peace. If you want PvP so bad fight other people who want it also. I find it incredibily amazing that all these PvP people seem so focused on fighting people who DONT WANT TO FIGHT. They're kind of like bullies in real life who pick on the smallest target. Yep your a real man Stavros. Fargas, you think its "dumb" to apply real life standards to a game? Well tell me this what kind of person in a game would take the hard earned assets other people have built up then mock them for it? Sounds like a loser to me. People don't seem to realize some people put alot of time into Eve and "believe" in the game. I used to be like that but to be honest with all the axxhole griefers running around in "wars" harrassing people and smack-talking like ten year olds in chat channels have really opened my eyes to one thing. If this is supposed to be a game and fun why should we have to deal with axxholes ingame who are probably just that way in real life too? As for this corp theft it looks like an inside job "sort of". It looks like someone sold someone else access to their account so they could rip off TTI. If that is the case it is clearly out of game (selling accounts is against the EULA thus selling access to accounts is also a violation). If it turns out that person is also in Polaris or a GM and did this I would expect them to be tossed and banned. Just as Polaris people have been kicked out of the program for trolling on the boards there is a "line" they aren't supposed to cross. If what is believed to have happend did actually happen theres some real problems with credibility to be addressed. Ah that felt good. Two days left and I get to rant about the jerks in Eve. The real shame is about 98% of the people who play this game are fine upstanding people. Its the 2% that have caused all the problems time and time again. Calladen SCRUB!
j0sephine	Posted - 2003.12.25 23:50:00 - [110] Edited by: j0sephine on 26/12/2003 00:05:11 "Now imagine for a moment the person involved is a high ranking Polaris member or CCP person. I know for a FACT that GunnyP has already been advised to be careful about exposing to much: (..) <XXXXX> i would step -very- carefully with what information you post on the boards that goes way 'past' the player character. (..) Could it be a high ranking person either in CCP or Polaris is threatening a player who plans to expose the existence of a thief?" ... It could also be a simple case of good advice -- you should know very well by now, whatever speculations concerning Polaris and CCP you might have and post here, they will be quoted as facts dozens posts down the road, doing nothing good to game reputation. So if they are indeed nothing but your own speculation, simply leave them out. "Then we have the person who rented the account saying he was "stunned at the theft". He claims he didn't know anything about the theft and has already paid GunnyP a big chunk of change (what he colleted for access) but nowhere near what was stolen." Anyone giving director's access to someone else for money and not aware what it's going to be used for, must have no brains whatsoever. So either you have the case of big corporation making such brainless person their director... or the person in question is making extra buck in their spare time selling seaside properties in AZ. Take a pick which is more likely. :s "This is clearly OUT OF GAME to access someone ELSES account like this whether with permission or not." I see nothing clear about it, to be honest. You appear to rely on the information provided by person directly involved in the theft, form your conclusions from it and post them as facts. What if --instead of the convoluted scenario you present-- they're simply lying about the whole thing?
Steini OFSI	Posted - 2003.12.25 23:51:00 - [111] bummer
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.12.25 23:59:00 - [112] To those who I advised not to get involved in this thread: "I told you so." To everyone else - don't get involved in this thread.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.12.26 00:01:00 - [113] Life must be terribly disappointing for you, Calladen, to find out repeatedly not everyone wants to be your friend. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2003.12.26 00:13:00 - [114] Edited by: Reverend Necrona on 26/12/2003 00:14:33 Well this entire thread makes me feel sick. The community of eve is a twisted one. Give it a rest Calladen mate, it's not worth it fella. Reverend Necrona
Calladen Nimitz	Posted - 2003.12.26 00:27:00 - [115] "So if they are indeed nothing but your own speculation, simply leave them out." Who said it was speculation? I'm not speculating at all. If someone paid someone to access thier account and did this its a violation of the EULA. If that someone is a member of Polaris maybe CCP needs to look at who they have working for them. Maybe a little housecleaning is in order reputation or not. If they have people doing stuff like this can we really trust them to NOT use information they may gleen from being associated with CCP to thier own advantage? An honest question. Jash, I have plenty of real life friends. Theyre the kind of people who really give a damn about other people. So even in a game they realize people can and are hurt by crap like this. People who worked hard at TTI to build something only to have it stolen by some pathetic individual who doesnt even have the common decency to post his REAL INGAME NAME here. Instead he used some pathetic alt to rip off TTI. For those who know who this person is and knew they were going to do this your just as pathetic. If you happen to be in Polaris for example and knew someone would payoff someone to access their account and rip off TTI you've completely tossed out the EULA your supposed to uphold as a Polaris volunteer. So whats the deal? WhiteK. If you dont have the guts to post under a real name and not some brand new alt maybe you need to get a life. I'm here with my name for all to see taking the heat. Your nothing but a forum troll. If you have something to say about my posts, posts which will be shown correct when everything is exposed, please have the common decency to use your real character. Calladen
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2003.12.26 00:29:00 - [116] Edited by: DREAMWORKS on 26/12/2003 00:30:12 IRL and ingame theft is pathetic, it shows you have no spine and must leech on others like a parasite to surfive. Luckily i have the right IRL to let my dogs in my own house to tear people into pieces who violate my privacy and don't respect my assets. But how can you fight an ingame "crime" that can never be traced, and there are no dogs who protect your assets and items. Some people here act like its only a game, but some of these items has been "worked" for. They show no compassion, and as shown in the case of Falzone they will be the ones crying out the loudest possible way if they get robbed. I can only pray that these people get robbed of all their assets, that some day they get some arse log onto their accounts, transfer all their items or destroy it and then delete the character and recreate a new one... It's just a mather of patience i gues. __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
j0sephine	Posted - 2003.12.26 00:52:00 - [117] "Who said it was speculation?" You did: "Now imagine for a moment the person involved is a high ranking Polaris member or CCP person (..)" "All of this is just hypothetical of course but chatlogs tell alot."
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.12.26 01:13:00 - [118] Quote: ... Jash, I have plenty of real life friends. Theyre the kind of people who really give a damn about other people. So even in a game they realize people can and are hurt by crap like this. People who worked hard at TTI to build something only to have it stolen by some pathetic individual who doesnt even have the common decency to post his REAL INGAME NAME here. Instead he used some pathetic alt to rip off TTI. Calladen, I have all the friends I want in life. I do not go looking for more friends than I already have. So every new friend I gain is a surprise. I do not go about expecting cooperation from others unless required by the circumstances. So those that refuse to cooperate do not disappoint me and those that do, without any onus to do so, make life more pleasant. Everything about you and the speeches you have given says the opposite. You expect people to coorperate with you. To work with you towards a common goal in harmony. To be your friend. Why in God's name you picked up a game built entirely around physical, political and economic PvP I haven't a clue. But... Life must be terribly disappointing for you, Calladen, to find out repeatedly not everyone wants to be your friend. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Dagny	Posted - 2003.12.26 01:15:00 - [119] This is sad. I'll end discussing this matter with the following: I have never violated any EULA to gather information about TTI. If, as some of the TTI people suspect, i would had robbed them off, i sure as glue on a stick would not break the EULA to do so. Dagny -kos because of knowing too much.
Calladen Nimitz	Posted - 2003.12.26 01:20:00 - [120] Quite the contrary Jash. I just expect people to respect one another. I'm not the type of person for example who would go out of his way to totally screw up someones gaming experience. I wont sit and pod newbies in 1.0 space for example. I wont clean out a corp wallet because I know real people worked for that "play money" and it would hurt them. I guess I'm just guilty of being a human being. Game or not. Being a common thief is just plain wrong. CCP needs to publically brand these people AND ALL THEIR ALTS so we can see who the "thief" is in Eve. Just as we have WANTED across the face of wanted people I'd like to see THIEF across ALL characters of a corp thief. If theyre so proud of what theyve done they should have the guts to just come out and admit it instead of hiding behind alts and a Polaris nametag. BTW Josephine, dump the "hypothetical". It did happen that way and I'll be interested to see if CCP cans this thread and my posts in a coverup instead of coming clean about what one of their own did. Calladen Nimitz

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