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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.05 17:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Rodj Blake
And just what do you think Neferis meant when she wrote the following:
Quote:
The unfit to produce wealth will be eliminated... ...The unfit to sustain himself will be eliminated... ...The unfit to use life as it is given will be eliminated...
...The unfit to use his body and mind to the greater development of mankind will be eliminated.
I think that when Lady Revan reproduced the theological text that you partially quote, she was quoting prophecy from a particular source of scripture.
It is, more prosaically, an assessment of what will come to pass in the future devoid of any specific statement as to how this will be achieved beyond emphasis on personal responsibility. I note in particular that the term 'compulsory euthanasia' is not mentioned.
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Why is it so hard for you to accept that this is an area upon which SF and Bloodveil disagree on?
I have no difficulty with the Star Fraction and Bloodveil disagreeing on certain matters and have not said that I do.
The Star Fraction does not endorse compulsory euthanasia and no remarks made by myself or Tatsue can be twisted to make it seem that we do.
That is the issue you have chosen to discuss and that is what you have failed to show.
The Cosmopolite
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.05 17:29:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
don't drag us into it, you wouldn't like it.
The Star Fraction is not doing so. You may disregard any statements concerning you as simply personal remarks.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction Communications Portal |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.05 17:32:00 -
[63]
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Originally by: Rodj Blake
And just what do you think Neferis meant when she wrote the following:
Quote:
The unfit to produce wealth will be eliminated... ...The unfit to sustain himself will be eliminated... ...The unfit to use life as it is given will be eliminated...
...The unfit to use his body and mind to the greater development of mankind will be eliminated.
I think that when Lady Revan reproduced the theological text that you partially quote, she was quoting prophecy from a particular source of scripture.
It is, more prosaically, an assessment of what will come to pass in the future devoid of any specific statement as to how this will be achieved beyond emphasis on personal responsibility. I note in particular that the term 'compulsory euthanasia' is not mentioned.
Yes, the scripture forms the basis of her religion. Do you honestly believe that Neferis does not approve of euthanasia?
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The Star Fraction does not endorse compulsory euthanasia and no remarks made by myself or Tatsue can be twisted to make it seem that we do.
That is the issue you have chosen to discuss and that is what you have failed to show.
My intention was not show that SF supports euthanasia. Just the opposite in fact. I think that perhaps you need to look up the meanings of irony and sarcasm.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.05 17:35:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Ituralde
Edited by: Ituralde on 05/04/2007 17:15:41
We have one important thing to agree on. That, is a common enemy.
At last!
My whole point was that the only important thing that SF and Bloodveil have in common is their current enemy
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.05 17:49:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Yes, the scripture forms the basis of her religion. Do you honestly believe that Neferis does not approve of euthanasia?
In point of fact, I don't know Lady Revan's personal view on euthanasia. It is a matter for her to answer and not me. I do not believe, for clarity, that Bloodveil philosophy implies the use of 'compulsory euthanasia' at every opportunity.
Even if some think it does, that is not a particular problem as no element of Bloodveil philosophy that overlaps with the Star Fraction's philosophy implies the use or support of 'compulsory euthanasia'.
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My intention was not show that SF supports euthanasia. Just the opposite in fact. I think that perhaps you need to look up the meanings of irony and sarcasm.
Backpeddle.
I know your intent. You've failed. You have not shown that Bloodveil philosophy necessarily implies 'compulsory euthanasia'. Nor have you succeeded in trying to portrary the Star Fraction as either in fundamental ideological opposition to Bloodveil philosophy or in agreement with all parts of it because we happen to agree on some points and disagree on others.
The discussion is over. You accept that we do not support compulsory euthanasia and you have failed to show that the philosophies of the Star Fraction and Bloodveil are diametrically opposed to one another. The earlier accusation of hypocrisy is shown to be nonsense.
From this point on the discussion will inevitably go in ever distorting and decreasing circles. We have established only that we each disagree on the interpretation of Bloodveil philosophy and the basis on which the Star Fraction can work with the Bloodveil while maintaining the integrity of its own ideology.
I suggest we leave it at that.
The Cosmopolite
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.05 17:54:00 -
[66]
Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 05/04/2007 17:51:08
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Ituralde
We have one important thing to agree on. That, is a common enemy.
At last!
My whole point was that the only important thing that SF and Bloodveil have in common is their current enemy
Which is not so. It is but one thing among many other points of agreement.
Ituralde does not say it is the only thing we agree on and while he may find it the only important matter, the Star Fraction as an entity does not regard it as the only important issue. He is entitled to his view but it gives you no succour.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction Communications Portal |
Sable Schroedinger
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.05 18:00:00 -
[67]
IU, I think you're taking my (as pointed out personal) comments to heart when nothing like that was intended. I was purely poking a hole in the Amarrian peanut gallery's claim of SF hypocrisy.
At no point were my comments directed at IU or its policies and wasn't under the impression that they did so.
IĈm a tad hurt that you would have taken offence so easily after fighting side by side with you guys, but nothing an exchange of alcohol couldnĈt fix 
Sable
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Ituralde
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.05 18:07:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Ituralde on 05/04/2007 18:04:46
Originally by: Rodj Blake
At last!
My whole point was that the only important thing that SF and Bloodveil have in common is their current enemy
Quote in context, worm.
I did not say it is all we had in common. Simply that even were it all we had in common, it would be enough to work together.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.05 18:16:00 -
[69]
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 05/04/2007 17:51:08
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Ituralde
We have one important thing to agree on. That, is a common enemy.
At last!
My whole point was that the only important thing that SF and Bloodveil have in common is their current enemy
Which is not so. It is but one thing among many other points of agreement.
Ituralde does not say it is the only thing we agree on and while he may find it the only important matter, the Star Fraction as an entity does not regard it as the only important issue. He is entitled to his view but it gives you no succour.
The Cosmopolite
And you've still not shown what these other points are.
Things that everyone in the cluster agree on do not really count.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.05 18:24:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 05/04/2007 18:20:57
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Yes, the scripture forms the basis of her religion. Do you honestly believe that Neferis does not approve of euthanasia?
In point of fact, I don't know Lady Revan's personal view on euthanasia. It is a matter for her to answer and not me. I do not believe, for clarity, that Bloodveil philosophy implies the use of 'compulsory euthanasia' at every opportunity.
Even if some think it does, that is not a particular problem as no element of Bloodveil philosophy that overlaps with the Star Fraction's philosophy implies the use or support of 'compulsory euthanasia'.
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My intention was not show that SF supports euthanasia. Just the opposite in fact. I think that perhaps you need to look up the meanings of irony and sarcasm.
Backpeddle.
I know your intent. You've failed. You have not shown that Bloodveil philosophy necessarily implies 'compulsory euthanasia'. Nor have you succeeded in trying to portrary the Star Fraction as either in fundamental ideological opposition to Bloodveil philosophy or in agreement with all parts of it because we happen to agree on some points and disagree on others.
The discussion is over. You accept that we do not support compulsory euthanasia and you have failed to show that the philosophies of the Star Fraction and Bloodveil are diametrically opposed to one another. The earlier accusation of hypocrisy is shown to be nonsense.
From this point on the discussion will inevitably go in ever distorting and decreasing circles. We have established only that we each disagree on the interpretation of Bloodveil philosophy and the basis on which the Star Fraction can work with the Bloodveil while maintaining the integrity of its own ideology.
I suggest we leave it at that.
The Cosmopolite
Whilst the actual word isn't used, I would have thought that even you would have noticed that euthanasia is a part of the Bloodveil dogma. Stories of Revan's contempt for those weaker than herself are evident everywhere.
See here for an example. Tell me - what is the usual thing that one does to roaches? If that comment isn't a description of euthanasia, I don't know what is.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.05 18:24:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
And you've still not shown what these other points are.
Things that everyone in the cluster agree on do not really count.
You agree that a slave should be entitled to fight for its freedom?
Now, I know you don't but it does illustrate that you are talking nonsense when you say I have not shown the areas of overlap between Bloodveil and Star Fraction philosophy.
I showed the points of agreement here.
To say, I haven't shown the points of agreement and that they are all matters that 'everyone in the cluster agree on' is a straightforward falsehood.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction Communications Portal |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.05 18:27:00 -
[72]
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
I showed the points of agreement here.
And I later pointed out that they weren't really points of agreement, or that they were things that most people agree on.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Tomahawk Bliss
INTAKI UNION
The OSS
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Posted - 2007.04.05 18:37:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Sable Schroedinger
IU, I think you're taking my (as pointed out personal) comments to heart when nothing like that was intended. I was purely poking a hole in the Amarrian peanut gallery's claim of SF hypocrisy.
At no point were my comments directed at IU or its policies and wasn't under the impression that they did so.
IĈm a tad hurt that you would have taken offence so easily after fighting side by side with you guys, but nothing an exchange of alcohol couldnĈt fix
Sable
not offended, not wanting to get involved. I said before this started that if we get dragged into it we would shoot who ever did the dragging...and then I'd probably shoot a Revan a little for old times sake but that is beside the point.
Intaki Union's policy of interaction has always followed a specific Mandate. IU are not opposed to working with any group that forwards the Movement be they pirate, lawman or free-radical.
If my brisk manner offended it was not intended, in fact that was me being nice.
Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.05 18:43:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Whilst the actual word isn't used, I would have thought that even you would have noticed that euthanasia is a part of the Bloodveil dogma. Stories of Revan's contempt for those weaker than herself are evident everywhere.
See here for an example. Tell me - what is the usual thing that one does to roaches? If that comment isn't a description of euthanasia, I don't know what is.
I am quite aware of Lady Revan's attitude to the weak. I've already made it clear that the Star Fraction does not have quite the same view.
Bringing in statements by Lady Revan that the Star Fraction does not agree with does nothing more than allow us to say that we do not entirely agree with the particular statement that has been made.
Moreover, if you bothered to read the whole thread you would note that Lady Revan concedes that killing all the 'cockroaches' may not be the best policy. This does not strike me as advocating compulsory euthanasia in all circumstances.
However, it's been stated several times that the Star Fraction does not agree with every jot and tittle of Bloodveil philosophy. Whether Lady Revan believes in euthanasia per se or not is for her to say. I still do not see a necessary connection between Bloodveil philosophy and 'compulsory euthanasia'.
You've provided ample opportunity for the differences of emphasis between the Star Fraction and Bloodveil on the question of those who allow themselves to be weak to be highlighted. That's fine.
It does not change the fact that we agree on many points and are not diametrically opposed in ideological terms.
You can keep on saying we are for as long as you want but your view, actually, counts for little. I prefer others to make up their own minds and I am content for them to do so.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction Communications Portal |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.05 18:45:00 -
[75]
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
It does not change the fact that we agree on many points and are not diametrically opposed in ideological terms.
OK then, to try and get this discussion back on topic, what would you say is the single most important objective of the SF?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.05 18:53:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
And I later pointed out that they weren't really points of agreement, or that they were things that most people agree on.
Do you agree that slaves should be able to fight for their own freedom?
Do you agree that the will to freedom and power is a philosophy which drives us all?
Do you agree that all individuals, no matter their origin, are capable of developing beyond dependency on others if they have the will to do so?
I doubt you agree with any of these but just possibly you might in one or other case. I myself, strongly doubt that 'most people agree on' all of them or the other points of agreement I demonstrated here.
At this point you have reduced yourself to telling lies. The points of agreement I showed are real and no amount of you screeching that they are not will show the reverse.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction Communications Portal |
The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.05 19:10:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
OK then, to try and get this discussion back on topic, what would you say is the single most important objective of the SF?
I know you are asking this as a serpent waiting to strike but I will answer for the benefit of others.
The aim of the Star Fraction is to achieve a future where all those with the will to seize their own destiny can do so without having to overcome artificial limitations imposed by others.
Or put another way and as was said earlier:
Originally by: "Tatsue Nuko"
The goal of the revolution is to rid ourselves of all influences trying to halt the development and evolution into a posthuman existence.
I am going to say very clearly that it remains to be seen, at this time, whether or not, in the long-term, the differences in ideology of the Bloodveil vis a vis the ideology of the Star Fraction will operate counter to this objective. Given no definite long-range assessment, there is no difficulty in working together at this time given we agree on numerous points.
You did, after all, wish to get back 'on topic' and this topic is largely you trying to drive a wedge between the various parties you discuss in the first post. So, I'll say right away, that you won't succeed on this issue either.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction Communications Portal |
Falcione
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2007.04.05 19:30:00 -
[78]
The only real wedge will occur when one of you gains more power then the other right?
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.05 19:35:00 -
[79]
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Do you agree that slaves should be able to fight for their own freedom?
Do you agree that the will to freedom and power is a philosophy which drives us all?
Do you agree that all individuals, no matter their origin, are capable of developing beyond dependency on others if they have the will to do so?
I doubt you agree with any of these but just possibly you might in one or other case. I myself, strongly doubt that 'most people agree on' all of them or the other points of agreement I demonstrated here.
At this point you have reduced yourself to telling lies. The points of agreement I showed are real and no amount of you screeching that they are not will show the reverse.
The Cosmopolite
Regarding your statements:
I'm sure that Neferis only agrees with slaves being able to fight for their freedom as long as her own slaves are not in a position for fight her and win.
The will to power is an interesting concept. It's interesting because when two people follow that particular philosophy conflict between them is inevitable. Therefore I hardly see how a shared belief in the concept can bring two parties together.
I, along with most people, do agree that the vast majority of individuals are capable of moving on from dependency. It's hardly rocket science to say that people can learn. I certainly don't want to see people put own because they can't contribute.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.05 19:38:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 05/04/2007 19:34:41
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Originally by: Rodj Blake
OK then, to try and get this discussion back on topic, what would you say is the single most important objective of the SF?
I know you are asking this as a serpent waiting to strike but I will answer for the benefit of others.
The aim of the Star Fraction is to achieve a future where all those with the will to seize their own destiny can do so without having to overcome artificial limitations imposed by others.
OK then.
A concise and to-the-point answer.
In this future of yours, how will people with the will to seize their own destiny do so if there are artificial limitations placed on them by the one government of your friends in Bloodveil?
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.05 20:13:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
In this future of yours, how will people with the will to seize their own destiny do so if there are artificial limitations placed on them by the one government of your friends in Bloodveil?
You aren't listening to a word he says. Anybody with a will to seize their own destiny doesn't care a jot for "artificial limitations" they make their own fate and forge their own destiny without gods, governments or claptrap puling amarrians frenziedly typing nonsensical critiques while trapped in stations, influencing their ambitions.
Star Fraction is recruiting
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.05 21:26:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Rodj Blake
In this future of yours, how will people with the will to seize their own destiny do so if there are artificial limitations placed on them by the one government of your friends in Bloodveil?
You aren't listening to a word he says. Anybody with a will to seize their own destiny doesn't care a jot for "artificial limitations" they make their own fate and forge their own destiny without gods, governments or claptrap puling amarrians frenziedly typing nonsensical critiques while trapped in stations, influencing their ambitions.
And that, m'dear, is one of the reasons why your aims are incompatible with Bloodveil's. They seek a universal government.
And no, I don't feel trapped.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
redialer
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.04.05 21:29:00 -
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Ituralde
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.05 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Ituralde on 05/04/2007 21:48:45
Its rather clear, Mr. (Or perhaps I should include some tinpot rank?) Blake, you have little in common with either us or Bloodveil and I sincerely doubt you understand much about either of our organizations save on a very simple level. Given that you have repeatedly demonstrated that you either cannot read or cannot retain anything we attempt to communicate, the fact that you know little is hardly surprising.
So lets face facts here. Down with the rhetorical smoke and mirrors. You have no ideological stake here. Its altogether clear you are trying to put a wedge between us and our allies. I would argue its because your military forces are impotent and have little to no opportunity to offer effective resistance to us in space and thus feel the need to strike what weak blows you can, but I understand. You would of course deny that, as well.
If we feel we have ideological issues with Bloodveil, there is not a pilot among us who would be afraid to debate them. We don't need nor want your input nor prompting so just for the sake of cutting of this idiocy where it stands, keep your forked tongue behind your teeth. You aren't convincing anyone.
Next time you try sowing discord, snake, have something substantial to back it up with.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Bloodveil
The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.04.05 21:58:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Ituralde
Edited by: Ituralde on 05/04/2007 21:48:45
Its rather clear, Mr. (Or perhaps I should include some tinpot rank?) Blake, you have little in common with either us or Bloodveil and I sincerely doubt you understand much about either of our organizations save on a very simple level. Given that you have repeatedly demonstrated that you either cannot read or cannot retain anything we attempt to communicate, the fact that you know little is hardly surprising.
So lets face facts here. Down with the rhetorical smoke and mirrors. You have no ideological stake here. Its altogether clear you are trying to put a wedge between us and our allies. I would argue its because your military forces are impotent and have little to no opportunity to offer effective resistance to us in space and thus feel the need to strike what weak blows you can, but I understand. You would of course deny that, as well.
If we feel we have ideological issues with Bloodveil, there is not a pilot among us who would be afraid to debate them. We don't need nor want your input nor prompting so just for the sake of cutting of this idiocy where it stands, keep your forked tongue behind your teeth. You aren't convincing anyone.
Next time you try sowing discord, snake, have something substantial to back it up with.
Well said Free Captain. Very well said.
"Power destroys the ones who dont have it"
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.06 16:33:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Ituralde
Edited by: Ituralde on 05/04/2007 21:48:45
Its rather clear, Mr. (Or perhaps I should include some tinpot rank?) Blake, you have little in common with either us or Bloodveil and I sincerely doubt you understand much about either of our organizations save on a very simple level. Given that you have repeatedly demonstrated that you either cannot read or cannot retain anything we attempt to communicate, the fact that you know little is hardly surprising.
I understand the following things:
Star Fraction seek the following -
* An end to all governments.
* Religious freedom for all.
* Decentralised military force.
Bloodveil seek the following -
* A centralised universal government.
* All religions except for the Bloodveil interpretation of Sani Sabik to be wiped out.
* All military force to be under central control.
I really don't think that I need to point out once again that the level of friction created by these differences is so great that it can only be overcome by a shared hatred of the Empire.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.06 16:33:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Well said Free Captain. Very well said.
Not finding things so tiresome now?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.06 21:24:00 -
[88]
Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 06/04/2007 21:20:32
The Star Fraction and Bloodveil agree on numerous matters and share similar points of view on a number of issues above and beyond our respective opposition to the Amarrian regime. This is based on our understanding of the respective ideologies. The interpretations of third-parties are irrelevent.
Which is to say, even if you think our ideologies are in total opposition, that is not enough to show that we must be united only by opposition to the Amarrian Empire. To show that, you must show that we do not agree on any other point.
That has not been shown.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction Communications Portal |
Octavinus Augustus
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.07 15:49:00 -
[89]
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 06/04/2007 21:20:32
The Star Fraction and Bloodveil agree on numerous matters and share similar points of view on a number of issues above and beyond our respective opposition to the Amarrian regime. This is based on our understanding of the respective ideologies. The interpretations of third-parties are irrelevent.
Which is to say, even if you think our ideologies are in total opposition, that is not enough to show that we must be united only by opposition to the Amarrian Empire. To show that, you must show that we do not agree on any other point.
That has not been shown.
The Cosmopolite
What has been shown, repeatedly, is that the ideology you express here on IGS is at least as alien to that of Bloodveil than it is to that of the Amarr loyalists.
You position is untenable - you are intelligent enough to realize this, even if you will not admit to it. Why not admit it to yourself, reconsider your moral ethics and learn something from the experience.
Your current position reminds me of a three year old who puts his hands across his ears and continously sing "tralalala" in order to avoid hearing an uncomfortable truth.
Mr Cosmopolite, I still hold you in higher esteem than that - please do not prove that my faith in you is undeserved.
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.07 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Devilish Ledoux on 07/04/2007 16:43:05
Everything the Imperialists say boils down to this:
"If you are fighting us, you should fight Sani Sabik, too!"
Now, far be it from me to tell you that you've wasted a lot of energy arguing this point, but you have. The reason is simple: Nobody but nobody tells us who we should and shouldn't fight. Ever.
Pointing out ideological differences between us and our allies is totally without value. We have ideological differences with everyone, friend and foe.
The difference between friend and foe is that we still believe that our friends will come around to our way of thinking eventually without combat; while we believe that our enemies will probably never come around to our way of thinking and must be suppressed so that they do not impede our evolution.
Now, if you're done wasting your time hunched over a comm station, come out and make a difference. We're waiting for you.
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