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Oro Sarmasa Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:26:00 - [61] Originally by: Sorted Originally by: Oro Sarmasa Oh, you can still wardec. But I guess you can no longer have your component corps dance in and out of 50 wardecs with impunity without paying the piper. Boo-freaking-hoo. actually it was more like 70 decs- I havent left PRIVS in over 7 months. WHOO HOO>> I get to be an FC's Drone bay... If I can follow orders I can play.. woot. Narr., seriously.. your a ****, i will adapt or find something else to play if i cant find a niche for me in this niche game. I think Octobersnow is recruiting. If you're a pirate, I'm sure you'll have a blast. Oh, wait, people actually shoot back at them.
Kira Natako	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:27:00 - [62] CCP fix a loophole in game mechanics that allowed some players to do something that was never intented (piracy in high-sec), and suddenly they're caving to whiners? Idiots. If the privateers want to shoot everything that moves, they can go into low-sec...
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:27:00 - [63] Originally by: Hoshi Nothing has changed here. If they can afford to pay for the decs they can keep going. The price has just increased to a more reasonable level. Price before the patch 5 or 6 Billion per week Price after the patch , estimated @ 270 Billion per week. .............. errr.. thats a bit of a jump Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
Zevon Confuse-A-Cat Ltd.	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:27:00 - [64] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Maybe if we merged with BoB we could expand what we currently been doing and really tick off the entire Eve universe So ticking off the entire Eve Universe is somehow appealing to you? Were you beaten as a child? I bet you tear the wings off flys and laugh at them. Torture cats when you're not watching Spongebob? I bet you do. Tick-off everybody. Good plan. I sure hate to see you nerfed.
Dr Cron Northern Lights Number 5	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:28:00 - [65] Edited by: Dr Cron on 17/04/2007 20:25:02 Originally by: Hoshi Originally by: Dr Cron I feel that if an alliance can afford to pay for decs, field ships, lose ships, get loot stolen etc they should be allowed to do that. A more appropriate solution would have been for the people who were war decced by "Alliance P" to organize as "Alliance P" would surely have been outnumbered. But once again rather than leaving it to player ingenuity to resolve an issue, they caved to the whining, like they did with nanos and ecm. Whats gonna be left after 3 more patches? Nothing has changed here. If they can afford to pay for the decs they can keep going. The price has just increased to a more reasonable level. From the price of a Dread to the price of several Titans per week. How much profit do you think the Privs actually make per week?
Dark Flare Caldari Corpus PCG	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:28:00 - [66] Originally by: Dr Cron Originally by: Dark Flare The fact you think nanos and ECM weren't overpowered... ECM perhaps.... although when was the last time you were jammed? Maybe 5 times I've been jammed in combat since the nerf... seems a bit overkill. nanos being nerfed is EXACTLY my point. I still think encouraging players to simply train for minmatar recons (which are specifically created for this role) would have solved that issue. You may disagree, perhaps it would take too long to train for a min recon, or they cost too much, or people are just lazy, etc but clearly that was nerfed due to whining on the forums which I think is unfortunate when a solution existed in the game already, as does with the "Alliance P" situation. So, the need for dedicated ECM boats to use ECM strikes you as unfair, yet the use of a dedicated web boat (which takes longer to train for, and most people won't WANT to train for anyhow) strikes you as fine? Dark Flare - Corpus PCG
Borasao	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:29:00 - [67] You can also wear it like a badge and be proud of it... it's a pretty good accomplishment... The Privateers Nerf. "Hurt'n em so bad that CCP had to nerf us!" (at least, it's a good way to put some salve on the whelp marks from the nerf bat)
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:29:00 - [68] Originally by: panman Clearly your right, i remember ganking freelancer carriers with 5 battleships in pure blind, while the rest of the corp sat in stations or posses... Ill take pvp advice from someone else thank you Just because we have a lot of carebears, doesn't mean all of us are entertained by veldspar. Some of us have a life outside of the alliance, you know --------
Pilok Shitfly Minmatar	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:29:00 - [69] Originally by: Nero Scuro Darkfall is thattaway, make yourself comfy till beta comes out. That will be the best mmorpg ever Well, I hope so
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:29:00 - [70] Originally by: Oro Sarmasa Originally by: Sorted Originally by: Oro Sarmasa Oh, you can still wardec. But I guess you can no longer have your component corps dance in and out of 50 wardecs with impunity without paying the piper. Boo-freaking-hoo. actually it was more like 70 decs- I havent left PRIVS in over 7 months. WHOO HOO>> I get to be an FC's Drone bay... If I can follow orders I can play.. woot. Narr., seriously.. your a **, i will adapt or find something else to play if i cant find a niche for me in this niche game. I think Octobersnow is recruiting. If you're a pirate, I'm sure you'll have a blast. Oh, wait, people actually shoot back at them. your still an idiot. less than 15% industrial kills - no bubble camps - plenty of losses. Plenty of hostile large gangs... its the whining mis-informed ** that post stuff like that man. Learn More: Privateers Recruitment

Dr Cron Northern Lights Number 5	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:30:00 - [71] Edited by: Dr Cron on 17/04/2007 20:27:57 Originally by: Dark Flare Originally by: Dr Cron Originally by: Dark Flare The fact you think nanos and ECM weren't overpowered... ECM perhaps.... although when was the last time you were jammed? Maybe 5 times I've been jammed in combat since the nerf... seems a bit overkill. nanos being nerfed is EXACTLY my point. I still think encouraging players to simply train for minmatar recons (which are specifically created for this role) would have solved that issue. You may disagree, perhaps it would take too long to train for a min recon, or they cost too much, or people are just lazy, etc but clearly that was nerfed due to whining on the forums which I think is unfortunate when a solution existed in the game already, as does with the "Alliance P" situation. So, the need for dedicated ECM boats to use ECM strikes you as unfair, yet the use of a dedicated web boat (which takes longer to train for, and most people won't WANT to train for anyhow) strikes you as fine? I know what you mean, and I thought the same thing myself when I was writing it. The common thing they share is that one day ECM and nanoships were frequently used. The nerf happens and they're rarely used. Not countered with an in game mod or ship, but simply taken out of the game for the most part. This is the trend I find unfortunate.
CHAOS100 Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:32:00 - [72] wrecking shot... oh well looks like i wont be able to get so many easy kills now --------------
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:32:00 - [73] Originally by: Dr Cron The common thing they share is that one day ECM and nanoships were frequently used. The nerf happens and they're rarely used. Not countered with an in game mod, but simply taken out of the game for the most part. They had ingame counters. ECCM and Webbers (huggins if needed or teamwork otherwise) Its due to lazy whiners they were beaten to death with the nerf stick of d00m Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
Enre Sung Market Control Paradigm	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:32:00 - [74] Just so we're clear, the new rules are that you can't pvp in 0.0 without a capship, and you can't pvp in highsec without enough money to buy a fleet of capships. Ok, sure.
Oro Sarmasa Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:33:00 - [75] Edited by: Oro Sarmasa on 17/04/2007 20:30:39 Originally by: Sorted Originally by: Oro Sarmasa Originally by: Sorted Originally by: Oro Sarmasa Oh, you can still wardec. But I guess you can no longer have your component corps dance in and out of 50 wardecs with impunity without paying the piper. Boo-freaking-hoo. actually it was more like 70 decs- I havent left PRIVS in over 7 months. WHOO HOO>> I get to be an FC's Drone bay... If I can follow orders I can play.. woot. Narr., seriously.. your a **, i will adapt or find something else to play if i cant find a niche for me in this niche game. I think Octobersnow is recruiting. If you're a pirate, I'm sure you'll have a blast. Oh, wait, people actually shoot back at them. your still an idiot. less than 15% industrial kills - no bubble camps - plenty of losses. Plenty of hostile large gangs... its the whining mis-informed ** that post stuff like that man. Name calling is cruise control for cool. Heaven forbid, people will be encouraged to leave those NPC corps you hate so much, strike out on their own, and only get into wardecs if they really draw attention to themselves. Damn shame, isn't it. Other people than you might enjoy EVE. And like I said before, "pirate," lowsec is that way <----------- Be careful, though. People shoot back!
Hennry Fromer Gallente radiated space gerbils Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:33:00 - [76] I read about the nerf to alliance P, Was this by any chance initiated by developer T?
Dark Flare Caldari Corpus PCG	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:34:00 - [77] Originally by: Dr Cron Originally by: Dark Flare Originally by: Dr Cron Originally by: Dark Flare The fact you think nanos and ECM weren't overpowered... ECM perhaps.... although when was the last time you were jammed? Maybe 5 times I've been jammed in combat since the nerf... seems a bit overkill. nanos being nerfed is EXACTLY my point. I still think encouraging players to simply train for minmatar recons (which are specifically created for this role) would have solved that issue. You may disagree, perhaps it would take too long to train for a min recon, or they cost too much, or people are just lazy, etc but clearly that was nerfed due to whining on the forums which I think is unfortunate when a solution existed in the game already, as does with the "Alliance P" situation. So, the need for dedicated ECM boats to use ECM strikes you as unfair, yet the use of a dedicated web boat (which takes longer to train for, and most people won't WANT to train for anyhow) strikes you as fine? I know what you mean, and I thought the same thing myself when I was writing it. The common thing they share is that one day ECM and nanoships were frequently used. The nerf happens and they're rarely used. Not countered with an in game mod, but simply taken out of the game for the most part. But the thing is, nanos still work, and ECM still works. Just to a lesser extent. ECM was an I-Win button. I killed a Caracal using a Merlin before the nerf, because I had a single, multispec jammer, and he was jammed for the whole fight. Nanos much the same, you just couldn't hit a nanophoon 1 on 1 at all. There was no point even trying. Now the nanophoon still works, but the pilot has to keep his wits about him to not get webbed 1on1, and ECM still works, but you need a dedicated ship. Seems okay to me really shrugs. I'm even thinking of buying a Scorp, because of the number of times I've NEARLY taken them, and then got jammed and they warp :P Dark Flare - Corpus PCG
Bavinok radiated space gerbils	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:34:00 - [78] Originally by: Hennry Fromer I read about the nerf to alliance P, Was this by any chance initiated by developer T? LMAO
panman Captain Morgan Society Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:35:00 - [79] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: panman Clearly your right, i remember ganking freelancer carriers with 5 battleships in pure blind, while the rest of the corp sat in stations or posses... Ill take pvp advice from someone else thank you Just because we have a lot of carebears, doesn't mean all of us are entertained by veldspar. Some of us have a life outside of the alliance, you know Great, but that dont make any sense.. But as for your roaming aspect... Take a small gang of 5 to 10 players and go roam in MCs home systems. Get back to me and tell me how it goes, seeing as MC use Carriers instead of battleships these days, and you will probably get doomsdayed by their friends in bob. Then come back and whine on the forums and get doomsdays and MC nerfed ----------------------- Resistance is not worth it
Vincent Gaines Avis de Captura	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:37:00 - [80] Originally by: Sorted I have heard WOW has more of an edge to it than this game - I might give it a try.... drama much?

Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:37:00 - [81] Originally by: Oro Sarmasa Name calling is cruise control for cool. Heaven forbid, people will be encouraged to leave those NPC corps you hate so much, strike out on their own, and only get into wardecs if they really draw attention to themselves. Damn shame, isn't it. Other people than you might enjoy EVE. And like I said before, "pirate," lowsec is that way <----------- Be careful, though. People shoot back! ITS CAPS IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL YOU TOOL :p Narr i just get ****ed off with people "in the know" spouting "facts". people shot back before, they wont in low sec. it will be 6 of us vs one mission runner, miner, noob hauler. We will rarly cause enough of a blip on the allaince radar to warrent a 30 man Empire/Low Sec hit squad. Not like the old PRIVATEER days.... Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
Oro Sarmasa Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:37:00 - [82] Easy solution: Pick and choose which alliances to wardec! Really, if you can "only" wardec ten alliances at a time affordably, I will weep as many tears for you as I do for baseball players who "only" get thirty million dollars to play a game that children play for free.
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:40:00 - [83] Originally by: Oro Sarmasa Easy solution: Pick and choose which alliances to wardec! Really, if you can "only" wardec ten alliances at a time affordably, I will weep as many tears for you as I do for baseball players who "only" get thirty million dollars to play a game that children play for free. 10 Allainces would cost us a base price of 5.5 Billion per week.. just FYI. Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
Cpt Angus Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:40:00 - [84] A snap shot of what privateers have killed and lost today, you will see the proportion of industrials to active warships. Kills are on the left losses are on the right. 15 / 3Battlecruiser 13 / 1Battleship 73 / 1Capsule 0 / 0Carrier 19 / 5Cruiser 1 / 0Destroyer 0 / 0Dreadnought 0 / 0Freighter 23 / 6Frigate 9 / 0Industrial 3 / 0Mining Barge 0 / 0Mothership 18 / 0Rookie ship 10 / 0Shuttle 1 / 1Elite Battlecruiser 0 / 0Elite Battleship 0 / 1Elite Cruiser 2 / 1Elite Destroyer 16 / 5Elite Frigate 1 / 0Elite Industrial 0 / 0Elite Mining Barge Bones heal and chicks dig scars
Visionsz Caldari Midas Tycho	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:41:00 - [85] Originally by: Stud Longcock Originally by: panman Im not one for smacktalk, but.. "Go get ganked CCP" Seriously, you call this a pvp game, and then you nerf every aspect of pvp. Dissapointing Please. As if Privateer's little empire thrills were the definition of pvp . When your balls drop and get some fuzz on 'em, come on out to 0.0 and see the real action. People like you make me laugh, move along child adults are whining. Just some pics!
Gong	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:43:00 - [86] Edited by: Gong on 17/04/2007 20:40:09 Not unexpected. Empire wars were introduced for a reason and that was probably to allow meaningful pvp conflict in empire, if two corps or alliances have a beef with eachother. The fee was there to stop us to abuse it and war dec random corps to go on a killing spree in high sec and declare wars on random corps. The devs surely didn't want high sec to become the wild west. But the privateers made it wild west anyway and so CCP chose to rebalance. ( If there was ever a similarity to m00, then it is that something got the nerf bat, after a pvp group showed the weaknesses of the system ) Ok, sometimes privateers say that it's all against the evil 0.0 alliances to pay back to them in empire, but we all know that Privateers aren't a political alliance and that the only thing that their corps share are the war decs and the wish to get as many targets as possible in empire without concord interferring and security status loss. Seems like CCPs thought that something is getting out of control and so they pulled the brake.
Visionsz Caldari Midas Tycho	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:44:00 - [87] Not all the PA corps were campimg Jita, infact very few were. All credit to them it was a good idea, way to go CCP Quite funny really when you think about all the things that have gone by over the years. Just some pics!
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:45:00 - [88] Privateers have now joined the ranks of Mo0 and had their own personal nerf. Ever heard that a rising tide raises all boats. Well I guess the opposite is true, the more nerfs CCP enacts, the lower the tide gets, the more we all suffer.
Vincent Gaines Avis de Captura	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:46:00 - [89] The idea behind the Privateers was and still is great. the problem I think became when they started war dec'ing so many corps/alliances. It became also many instances of 4-4 camping, mission hub camping, and in many cases disrupting the game. I think this nerf hurts the Privateers, but won't end it. They just have to be more selective on the war decs, they actually cost more then a few "pennies."
Tressia	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:46:00 - [90] I heard the privateers are going to begin whining also, at least more than they did previously. adapt



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