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Marquis Dean
Indigo Fade
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Posted - 2007.04.17 21:25:00 -
[121]
 Originally by: Tista
<< is blonde << is slow, can i ask what the change is that is so bad for prv?
The cost of PRVTR wardecs will rise by a factor of 200-250.
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Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.17 21:25:00 -
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Empire wars gave the game new life to me. It made Eve the pvp paradise that I had been wanting. Small roaming gangs that could find targets.
Guess it's back to wandering lowsec for hours on end looking for some clueless noob in a belt. Or blobbing it up in 0.0 again. 
I could understand a slight nerf given the amount of whine threads (something was bound to happen), but this is just overkill.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.17 21:26:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Tista
<< is blonde << is slow, can i ask what the change is that is so bad for prv?
It severely curtails the number of wars any alliance or corporation can have running at the sametime. Instead of each war costing a mere 50 million a week each. One war costs 50 million, two wars cost 200 million, three wars cost 450 million, four wars cost 800 million, five wars cost 1.25 billion. These are per week costs.
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Ragornok
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.17 21:26:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Tista
<< is blonde << is slow, can i ask what the change is that is so bad for prv?
Prices to declare war will go up dramatically if you have multiple wars going. This will severely limit the number of declared wars, I'd say that more than 5 or 6 wars at a time will be prohibitively expensive.
However, it does mean that the 10% of the targets we DO have left, will be seeing a lot more of us. Maybe to the point we have to start chasing you all over the galaxy, including low and 0.0 sec systems. OOooohhhh, that means we may have to start recruiting them pirate motherships into our little clique.
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Izzy Pol
Fear and Loathing in LoneTrek
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Posted - 2007.04.17 21:26:00 -
[125]
You pigged out at the "all you can eat" buffet and management stopped you.
You knew it was coming. On the bright side it's nice to see the Privateers whining instead of their wartargets =D
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Lavinrac Krad
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Posted - 2007.04.17 21:30:00 -
[126]
I hope PA figures out a way to maintain the impact they have today. PA is a brilliant idea and the nerfing of them is truly a blow to Eve and it is a terrible blow to MMORPGs in general.
These guys really did something creative and interesting, it is a shame people can not respect that and want to force their game play style upon other games (especially when they already have games like EQ and WoW).
BTW- I hope you PA guys figure a way around this, Good Luck. (I'm not saying I share your opinion on dual wreck ownership though, I'm sorry I am a vulture )
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.17 21:31:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Kruel
Empire wars gave the game new life to me. It made Eve the pvp paradise that I had been wanting. Small roaming gangs that could find targets.
Guess it's back to wandering lowsec for hours on end looking for some clueless noob in a belt. Or blobbing it up in 0.0 again.
I could understand a slight nerf given the amount of whine threads (something was bound to happen), but this is just overkill.
Nothings stopping you guys doing Empire wars, its just you can't dec everybody anymore.
If you look at your dec list, theres probably a fair few corps that are only a few members big, so they can obviously be cut without too much bother. Make sure all th big alliances are dec'd (they'll flesh out the numbers), and then carry on with a modified version of your mercenary scheme (just make people who want you to dec someone pay the new modified cost, and you manage to completely avoid the price change) Make sure you only accept contracts on people large enough numbers-wise to be worth your time.
It'll certainly be a life-style change, but I doubt your niche is completely gone. Adapt, as you guys are so fond of saying 
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.04.17 21:31:00 -
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Ahah thank you kindly, i agree kick Prv in the balls !
Prv please become elite low sec pirates so i can hunt you.. i want to hunt pirates because they are the only ones in 0.4-0.1 these days.. just hoping to meet someone like me.. but thing is i will be in a leet nos-domi that can tank 1 torp raven, 3 drakes, 1 megathron, and a nighthawk at once without issue!
kill them all at once ofcourse
Originally by: inSpirAcy
Don't worry, it's the bullying culture EVE attracts.
You don't actually have to make a point if you get enough people to laugh with you. 
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Lord Dynastron
Mystical Knights
Legionnaire Services Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.04.17 21:32:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Izzy Pol
You pigged out at the "all you can eat" buffet and management stopped you.
You knew it was coming. On the bright side it's nice to see the Privateers whining instead of their wartargets =D
Lol.... *in the voice of CBG* 'Best Analogy Ever'.
High sec has been low sec... I mean 0.0... for how many thousands of people for how long now?
Hmm,,, that would be kinda interseting to know,, how many people have no safe space atm. 70 alliances... with lets say 100 people each alliance... oooo... that is a lot of people.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.17 21:32:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Lavinrac Krad
I hope PA figures out a way to maintain the impact they have today. PA is a brilliant idea and the nerfing of them is truly a blow to Eve and it is a terrible blow to MMORPGs in general.
These guys really did something creative and interesting, it is a shame people can not respect that and want to force their game play style upon other games (especially when they already have games like EQ and WoW).
BTW- I hope you PA guys figure a way around this, Good Luck. (I'm not saying I share your opinion on dual wreck ownership though, I'm sorry I am a vulture)
There's nothing stopping them from continuing what they do. They simply cannot maintain the current scope of their operations.
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Verei
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Posted - 2007.04.17 21:32:00 -
[131]
You are exactly right. Privateers had very few if any actual and substantial "wars." The changes mean that wars will have to *GASP* mean something!
Two points need to be made:
1) There certainly are problems with lowsec PVP, few dispute this however,
2) The reality is that wars needed meaning badly. You can't sit here and say you were doing hardcore PVP by game-camping highsec with superior numbers and griefing haulers. No corp is going to go after the privateers in lowsec because you can't win that space and it's a waste of resources. Knowing that the corps they are at war with won't really come at them in highsec as hard as if they were in lowsec the privateers have managed to hide from PVP. Well, now you can pick those corps who really want to fight OR you can just wardec corps you want to grief. Boohoo
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Hoodoomon
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Posted - 2007.04.17 21:34:00 -
[132]
You can kill people for free in 0.0. Might want to try it sometime. |
Forum Alt
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.04.17 21:35:00 -
[133]
I find this thread rather amusing. CCP attempts to address an obvious borderline exploit of game mechanics and then someone "whines" about "whiners". I LOL'd!
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.17 21:35:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Izzy Pol
You pigged out at the "all you can eat" buffet and management stopped you.
You knew it was coming. On the bright side it's nice to see the Privateers whining instead of their wartargets =D
Absolutely perfectly put.
Privateers, the Augustus Gloop of Eve.
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Lavinrac Krad
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Posted - 2007.04.17 21:38:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Janu Hull
There's nothing stopping them from continuing what they do. They simply cannot maintain the current scope of their operations.
The scope of their operations is what made it interesting, in my opinion.
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Vantras
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.17 21:43:00 -
[136]
This thread ranks up there with all the crying we heard when warp to zero was put in....i rate this as my 2nd favorite!
It was a long time coming, has no impact on PVP in and of itself. Privateers was creative in they exploited a hole in the war dec coding. Fun for a while I reckon...but the nerf bat was looming over this for a long time.
70 wars? rofl....chose your war decs properly, get some real clients to pay for them, etc etc. and Privateers can still continue on its merry way--the days of ccp approved open piracy in high sec though just got a whole bunch more expensive!
Adapt or die? I think thats a mantra ive heard from these types in the past...
Vantras gives this thread two thumbs up!
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Alyssee
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Posted - 2007.04.17 21:43:00 -
[137]
Evolve or Die
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Leonardo Sabrioski
Caldari
Veritas Praetorian Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.04.17 21:46:00 -
[138]
TBH Privateers really deserved this... Why not disband... move on in seperate corps... and war dec amongst each other... You'll be sure to find targets
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Narcil Starwind
Exa Utopia
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Posted - 2007.04.17 21:47:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Ragornok
Realistically, I see this having a fundamental change in how we operate, but it will only be a negative change if we allow it to be.
Real difference, we will have less declared wars. Ok. So, will I crawl away defeated? No, never.
There will be less targets, true, but that will also be liberating to a degree. It opens up the ability to really start to target our efforts and have a greater impact in each individual war we have. No longer will we randomly pop whatever we see, but we will be proactively pursuing our enemies. We may no longer accept every contract that is requested of us, but we will have the ability to pick and choose the most lucrative and entertaining ones.
We won't be patrolling with a wide net, catching whatever the tide may bring. I hope to see us grow in effectiveness, stay true to our ideals, and continue being a scourge upon those we choose.
QFT ... The only Privateer post I've seen with any thought behind it.
To all the privateers like this guy cheers and good luck.
To all the whining crying privateers ... Please do leave I'm sure the Privateers would be better off without the Jita campers giving them a bad name.
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Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.04.17 21:50:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Leonardo Sabrioski
TBH Privateers really deserved this... Why not disband... move on in seperate corps... and war dec amongst each other... You'll be sure to find targets
THAT is the best idea I've ever seen! I think it says a lot about the members of Privateers that they would rather gank barges and haulers than actually do some real fighting against real targets. Want to fight? Then go fight each other FFS! Everyone wins!
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Jack Faustus
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Posted - 2007.04.17 21:52:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Faustus on 17/04/2007 21:52:57
Edited by: Jack Faustus on 17/04/2007 21:50:28
Hang on, thougth we will be able to have 10 war decs before the new law of diminishing returns kicks in:
"Example: Alliance P has ten wars in progress. They will have to pay 500M/war/week to keep the war machine running. If they now declare war on the eleventh corporation or alliance that war will cost 550M to start and the upkeep cost will be 550M/war/week for all the wars until any of the wars is canceled."
50M a war dec * 10 = 500, so that's not as bad as it seems to being made out? We will prolly visit low sec & 0.0 more.
[/RP on] Also disagree with the statement that CONCORD is a money grabbing entity as if it really were then it would have modified the system less drastically as they will not get the long -term monetary benefit. In fact if this does stop empire wars they will have to change it to maintain their income. A power such as CONCORD would have thought this through and attempted to maximise income without pricing themselves out of the market. [/RP off]
We, well I (but am sure others too), will adapt and pew pew will continue.....
Edit I also agree with the above, perhaps 2 Alliances even.... Hmmm I may just have wet myself.
We're going straight to hull, I understand that now.
Jack
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Red Crown
Kudzu Collective
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Posted - 2007.04.17 21:55:00 -
[142]
And the whiners win again...I hate to jump on this bandwagon but this is very lame on CCP's part. Since this is such a massive nerf aimed directly at Privateers. They may have been pushing the limits, for a bit on the cheap side, but I think 245Bn ISK is the combined wallets of every 0.0 alliance or something.
I dislike that CCP caved in on this more than the actual thing that happened in game.
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Miyau
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.04.17 22:01:00 -
[143]
Shame, I liked seeing the Privateers bring a bit of spice into the carebears' lives. |
Your Name
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Posted - 2007.04.17 22:01:00 -
[144]
Have you guys sorted out your kills based on corp/alliance of the target? If 90% of your kills are coming from 10% of the targets, it should not be much of an impact on cutting down the number of wars.
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.17 22:01:00 -
[145]
It took some time and effort to create the Privateers, to figure out the finances, the structure and the rules to run it...
Welcome to the new Eve, they have given you the opportunity to find a new way to make the game mechanics work for you!!!
Noob in training...
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Ciargon
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Posted - 2007.04.17 22:03:00 -
[146]
I must say that members of PA are some of the most whining players I've seen in this game... You exploited the game as much as you could so you really caused this yourself, don't blame anyone else!
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2007.04.17 22:05:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Maybe if we merged with BoB we could expand what we currently been doing and really tick off the entire Eve universe
Or grow a spine and go up against them.
Like the voices of reason has already stated, anyone with half a brain could see this nerf coming.
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Ebedar
Gallente
Primary Intelligence
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Posted - 2007.04.17 22:17:00 -
[148]
This will encourage people to get out of empire and into 0.0, CCP(!)
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Chavu
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.17 22:18:00 -
[149]
I really liked the Privateer alliance. No, I didn't like using an alt hauler, but I thougth what they did by completely changing the way most people view empire was excellent.
They changed the game, made empire very hostile and dangerous. Too dangerous? Probably. I shouldn't have to take a group/alt with me whenever I want to go anywhere.
The numbers in that dev blog look like too much. Should you be able to declare war on 150 corps in Eve? Probably not. Should you be able to declare war on the top 10-20 alliances in eve? Sure why the heck not, let PA stay.
Oh and btw the 2nd best game for pvp is Guildwars or BF2/2142. WoW isn't anywhere near the top and I played WoW a lot on a PvP server.
Good luck PA, hope you guys are still around.
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Kane Rizzel
Ars ex Discordia
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Posted - 2007.04.17 22:24:00 -
[150]
Why didn't anyone tell me I was playing Emo Online?
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