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Father Weebles
North Face Force Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.17 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: panman
Originally by: Stud Longcock
Please. As if Privateer's little empire thrills were the definition of pvp . When your balls drop and get some fuzz on 'em, come on out to 0.0 and see the real action.
WoW, you really dont know much about people in eve do you..
Most of the privateers came from 0.0, because fleet warfare is the worst thing in this game. Most of privateers are long served and very experienced pilots. Those from omniscient order, X13, Beyond Divinity and countless others...
All have had action in 0.0
And to be quite honest, there is no balls in 150 vs 150 man blobs...
Join a supersize alliance expect supersize battles...
Join a smaller pvp alliance expect 'big' battles to be around 20-30 v 20-30
"Welcome to EVE, where inflation is out of control."
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Father Weebles
North Face Force Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.17 22:31:00 -
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BTW Privs...c'mon you had to know it would come to an end someday.
The wardec system was broken and needed a change...this is coming from an ex-privateer.
"Welcome to EVE, where inflation is out of control."
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Falarica
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Posted - 2007.04.17 22:38:00 -
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My corp has been on the receiving end of privateers, and I really think they are bastards. That being said i really like how they have molded how the game mechanics work, it made things interesting, and I am all for interesting. I think that Ragnarok was right, this could be used to Privateers advantage, if they become a little more cosmopolitan with regard to how they are operating. Privateers has always been unorganized, this will force them to become organized. I suspect that the size of Privateers will drop, but those that remain will be more prone to work together towards their common end (monetary domination or the principle of the matter, take your pick). It may be that Privateers, in order to survive, will have to supplement their income with the normal pve activities of other players.
By thinning the ranks, becoming more organized, and branching out into other areas of financing; Privateers may not have as much reach as they have now, but will be more effective when they engage in "legal piracy."
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2007.04.17 22:38:00 -
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Congratulations Privateers. It may sound cynic, but you just smashed in the faces of those rich fat alliance cowards. You won by proving that those 100+ dread blob alliances had to get you nerfed to beat you.
I had an IAC guy beg me to move a high end officer mod out of Jita because he was afraid to pick it up. Afraid of you.
You changed Eve, and ironically, finally fullfilled your destiny that those fat spoiled brats have been laughing about since the day you started. You made the big fish cry in pain like few others have done since the days of legend.
CCP finally changed the Wardec system back to be a tool for bored altcorp pirates to "grief" newb empire carebears. "True pvpers" dont need to reroll hauler alts just to avoid "those n00bs lolz". Just looking at the corp and Alliance tickers of those who flamed you tells everything you need to know.
You are not the new m0o, but today you came damn close. Give em hell!
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2007.04.17 22:45:00 -
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I'm still unsure as to the big issue...
wars are still the same, there's just a stacking penalty applied now.
Privs can still have 70 war decs, it'll just cost more
*shrug*
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.17 22:48:00 -
[156]
Now...I don't post in the whiney threads, but this time I'll make an exception.
Privateers: Message for ya fellas - PvP didn't get nerfed. Non-consensual PvP hasn't even been nerfed. 90% of the galaxy exists solely for you to go pew pew. Its ridiculous that you could be offended that CCP doesn't want you making the other 10% the same as the other 90%.
Diversity is a GOOD thing. Besides, station camping Jita 4-4 is hardly PvP. Its shooting dead fish in a barrel with a grenade launcher. Reach DEEEEEP down into your pants now, find some balls, and clicky on my signature. You want PvP? Its waiting for you.
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Illyria Ambri
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.17 22:48:00 -
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My heart *gasp* It bleeds for the Priv's...
Such skill at borderline exploits.. such cunning at Jita camping
CCP has changed something that they abused.. The sky is truly falling now. The whine is thick and hearty, cry for eve.. cry for the privateers.. cry for the monumental loss this wil cause!!! Oh Woe is me.. pity the carebear for now they may travel through high-sec at will. Shame on CCP for stopping the Priv's ability to turn Empire into a shooting gallery. Pity all who will remain now that 70 seperate wars will now cost more then a single ship.
The river of whine runeth deep with privateer tears. Someone teach them how to build a bridge so they can get over it
------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
Happiness is a warm railgun, Love is a stocked missle launcher. Sexual extacy is watching that NME Battleship go boom.
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Kyden
Gallente Path of Light Hell Hounds
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Posted - 2007.04.17 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Kyden on 17/04/2007 22:45:56 Boo effing whoo to the privateers, now u cant sit in front of undock points and kill as many people as u used to be able to, who have no chance of surviving. Maybe now the npc corp people who have been jacking all your stuff (lol @ that hilarious ish) wont be able to do it as much because you wont have everyone and their little brother war deced. This was something thats been coming for a long time. Now look who is whining to ccp.
"sheds a tear for Privateers"
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari Gallente Federal Bank FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.17 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: panman ]
WoW, you really dont know much about people in eve do you..
Most of the privateers came from 0.0, because fleet warfare is the worst thing in this game.
And shooting people in jita is better?
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IHurricane
Amarr SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.04.17 22:55:00 -
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What goes around, comes around. Oh I have one word for you guys, 0.0, fit MWD, small roaming gang. ---------------------------------------------
There was never a genius, without a tincture of madness - Aristotle |
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Drizit
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.04.17 22:56:00 -
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Jeez, there's more whines from this thread than the rest of the forums put together.
Take a chill pill, it's called popular demand and thretening to cancel your account does nothing. CCP has already done the math and figured that there are more players happy with the change than not.
Freighters: Simplified, it means now you can use a freighter to loot a freighter wreck. (Oh no, it means the pirates will actually have to defend their freighter until it docks instead of running for safe spots and logging when the opponent isn't a noob.)
Wardecs: At last. Wardecs in highsec are often just a way to drop a few soft targets. It's rarely for any intrinsic reason. My only gripe is that they should have left 0.0 as it was and only make it affect highsec, (since Concord has domain over highsec). Wardecs are a way of life in 0.0 and it could adversely affect alliances there. Similarly, lowsec is pretty much a training ground for 0.0 and wardeccing is often a way to keep good territory.
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.04.17 23:00:00 -
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Maybe the war dec systeam needead a fix but this is just a bad one...
Carebears 01 Pirates 00
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Illyria Ambri
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.17 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Drizit
Wardecs: At last. Wardecs in highsec are often just a way to drop a few soft targets. It's rarely for any intrinsic reason. My only gripe is that they should have left 0.0 as it was and only make it affect highsec, (since Concord has domain over highsec). Wardecs are a way of life in 0.0 and it could adversely affect alliances there. Similarly, lowsec is pretty much a training ground for 0.0 and wardeccing is often a way to keep good territory.
I dont see the logic in this as 0.0 wardecs dont mean squat since you can shoot anyone and anything..
Wardecs are only usefull in empire to keep concord from popping you. 0.0 and Lowsec don't require wardecs cause you can shoot anyone you want.. wardec or no.
------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
Happiness is a warm railgun, Love is a stocked missle launcher. Sexual extacy is watching that NME Battleship go boom.
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Corporati Capitalis
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Posted - 2007.04.17 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus Lowsec piracy is just gate camping all day with a carrier or two for backup. Its boring, its lame, and there are plenty of corps that do it already.
And you are not wardec-ing them and go have some good fights instead of whining here... why exactly? It's not like there aren't plenty of known gatecamped systems where certain pirate corps stay all day, now is it? With a decent sized PRVTR fleet you could even get some nice money from ransoming a few carriers... maybe a Nyx even? But of course that would involve losing a good number of ships and we can't have that of course.
So whine away. o/
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar UK Corp FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.17 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 17/04/2007 23:00:20 I don't care for the Privateers personally mainly due to hypocritical 0.0 (and other) alliance alts within its ranks.
It is a shame that Infinity Z's rather clever idea got snookered by the ever-growing population of whiners within EvE. Oh well....next idea for making empire a battlefield?
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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Aykroyd
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Posted - 2007.04.17 23:05:00 -
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Just posted in the C&P thread on this but thought I'd drop in and say Carebears really couldn't care about PA. We're all NPC corping, mission running, veld miners right? So exactly how was PA doing anything carebears care about?
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Bekka Jae
Gallente Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.04.17 23:09:00 -
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I'm still relatively new to this game, so I guess I should ask:
Is now the time I'm supposed to start with the bashing, insults, homophobic remarks and tell anyone who's not happy with CCP's common-sense response to the flaws in the wardec system to go play WoW?
Just checkin'...
My Eve Blog: Just a Girl and Her Battlecruiser http://justagirlandherthorax.blogspot.com |
Kasak Black
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.04.17 23:16:00 -
[168]
Guess my Empire life got a little less intense, hmmm another reason not to play the Game...
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Angellyne
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Posted - 2007.04.17 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Bekka Jae I'm still relatively new to this game, so I guess I should ask:
Is now the time I'm supposed to start with the bashing, insults, homophobic remarks and tell anyone who's not happy with CCP's common-sense response to the flaws in the wardec system to go play WoW?
Just checkin'...
You missed it - a few have already said they plan to quit and go to WoW.
Check the WoW forums in 2-3 months, for all the new threads complaining about the new "Elfateers" or some such guild.
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Mortuus
Minmatar Oblivion's Gate Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.17 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Corporati Capitalis
Originally by: Mortuus Lowsec piracy is just gate camping all day with a carrier or two for backup. Its boring, its lame, and there are plenty of corps that do it already.
And you are not wardec-ing them and go have some good fights instead of whining here... why exactly? It's not like there aren't plenty of known gatecamped systems where certain pirate corps stay all day, now is it? With a decent sized PRVTR fleet you could even get some nice money from ransoming a few carriers... maybe a Nyx even? But of course that would involve losing a good number of ships and we can't have that of course.
So whine away. o/
Because fleet PvP is boring, I've done it, almost all of us have. Its what we want to avoid and its why we are here.
Normally I'm fighting against gangs that are hunting us. It makes it interesting. 0.0 roaming gangs would be fine if they got rid of PoS's =)
ex-Occassus Republica <3 |
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Portios Smith
Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.17 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Angellyne
Originally by: Bekka Jae I'm still relatively new to this game, so I guess I should ask:
Is now the time I'm supposed to start with the bashing, insults, homophobic remarks and tell anyone who's not happy with CCP's common-sense response to the flaws in the wardec system to go play WoW?
Just checkin'...
You missed it - a few have already said they plan to quit and go to WoW.
Check the WoW forums in 2-3 months, for all the new threads complaining about the new "Elfateers" or some such guild.
LMAO now where did I put that old WoW box...
I want the truth
You can't handle the truth - Ductoris |
Kerfira
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Posted - 2007.04.17 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kruel Empire wars gave the game new life to me. It made Eve the pvp paradise that I had been wanting. Small roaming gangs that could find targets.
Guess it's back to wandering lowsec for hours on end looking for some clueless noob in a belt. Or blobbing it up in 0.0 again.
I could understand a slight nerf given the amount of whine threads (something was bound to happen), but this is just overkill.
If you'd only been wardec'ing people who wanted to PvP, you'd have a right to complain over the nerf.
However, a lot of your wardec's were against people who plays this game to PvE.
CCP has the intention that the game should have room for both types of players, hence why we have safe'ish high-sec. Privateers circumventing this by (ab)using the wardec system was sure to warrant a nerf....
Note: If you think 0.0 is about blobs and capitals... I (well, one of my alts) roam and hunt 0.0 (in both small and larger gangs), there are plenty of targets, but of.c. you have to be smart to catch them as they're mostly expecting to meet you too... It's not as easy nor as safe as shooting unexpecting empire dwellers, so it might not be your thing.....
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Del Narveux
Obsidian Angels Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.04.17 23:45:00 -
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Uhh, Im pretty sure this "nerf" is how the wardec system was originally intended to work, as well as how it currently works with single corps. Sorry but Im not in an alliance so I dont have a whole lot of sympathy when their rules get changed to more closely resemble those of single corps. The whole point of empire war was to be expensive enough to make the attacker pick their targets, if you want free pvp against everyone thats what 0.0 is for (yes, you can kill people out there without blobbing just dont linger in one spot).
Based on the number of wardecs Id say privs are spending around a billion a week or so on fees, thats like 7 wars under the new system, choose wisely and you should still have like 10k+ war targets at any given time. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
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Speed Devil
Caldari Privateers
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Posted - 2007.04.17 23:45:00 -
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next thing the carebears will whine about will be for a sentrydamage boost in lowsec.
and i bet they will win because there seems to be more people in eve that want to be invulnerable and rich than pvpers. ah hell ill suicide myself on it. Dont think they will nerf that soon
Originally by: Merkanas To people who can't understand: there are rules and there are morals, don't get them confused. If rules allow it and you have no moral objection, by all means... have fun. |
Siege
Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting
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Posted - 2007.04.17 23:46:00 -
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At last time it was quoted, our war decs per week were around 5bil per week. Under the new system, it's estimated around 265 billion per week, which would be quite impossible.
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KoriBaka
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Posted - 2007.04.17 23:54:00 -
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I don't understand why not use something like co-operation to adapt to this.
Having 70 open decs was pushing it but making empire less safe isnt such a bad thing, and its always fun to be able to leave 0,0 as a gang and not have to worry about capital online or bubbles left right and centre, (though sadly the ones I came across docked when something other than a hauler or shuttle appeared)
So from my understanding the war dec system means it's +50mil per dec or does the penalty occur after 10?
Cause couldn't you split the alliance into several alliances and have each alliance in a localised area of where the targets are? OK it limits the overall targets a single prvt member can have but it allows for broad war decs and with some actual intelligence and research you could become more effective. other than relying on war dec everyone you see and hope they undock.
Though the alliances are out of a single alliance it couldnt be to hard to keep them in check. i mean teamwork and co-ordination cant be impossible. make a alliance of alliances.
pvts are mixed. i see some who want a good fight and some who just want a i win button and gank people who forget to stay safe or are idiots. for every privateer who generally wanted good pvp how many just wanted a easy ride?
perhaps with this fix you can consolidate your forces and you know do some pew pew? if you cant be bothered to put some effort into making it work then tough. i personally think the way privateers system worked was really pushing the intended use, and over fishing caused this. but i think it also brough some benefits and did look fun, apart from the docking games.
But this depends on the members,sadly easy and cheap and relativity safe pvp isn't something CCP wanted, put some effort in to make a new system to work and adapt with the changes could be a good idea.
Though all in all you did really ask for this nerf, if you couldnt see it coming perhaps WoW is for you. dont deny that regardless of the whines people made. If you had a ounce of self control you could of probaly got away without summoning the nerf bat.
Have fun adapting/whining/WoWing
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Kylar Renpurs
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Posted - 2007.04.17 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 17/04/2007 23:53:22 Oh dear, so the privvies are moving to 0.0 sec now, where they'll get a fight (which they seem to have appreciated in the past when people have fought back).
Oh well, can only say it's a fair thing to exponentially increase war costs. In fact, it's almost realistic,, (almost being an important word here).
On a flipside it makes me wonder, who will the privvies keep their wardecs with?
And on another flipside, the Privateers alliance can just splinter into individual cells with their own wardecs, assisting each other when one corp gets over their head. Doesnt sound like a huge impact to me, just means the PA can't put all their eggs in one basket.
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Santa Anna
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Posted - 2007.04.17 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: Santa Anna on 17/04/2007 23:51:59
Originally by: Sorted Just so that the general public is aware of the next patch:
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=446
.....Privateers have been beaten with the nerf bat.....
Whiners 1, Players 0 (and we didnt even get dual wreck ownership lol, damned invunerable NPC corp hiding loot theifs)
We will try and keep you posted to any developments with the allaince as and when they happen.
Sorted This is not an offical annoucement, just felt the need to vent and share...
The patch notes likely aren't set in stone...
That being said, 5.5Bn for 10 wars is too much. Privateers should exist in some capacity simply because it's such a cool idea and the game would be diminished by its absence. They need to change the cost of 1 war or change their escalation method so that the cost at some "reasonable" number of wars is the same. Setting it up this way allows you to grief anyone currently in a war -- they can't war dec you without paying 150M/wk more if they have one war, 250M/wk more if they have 2 wars, and so on.
So, how about this... 50M + 50M/wk first war n*50M + n*5M/wk per war for each additional n wars So to declare 10 wars costs 500M + 455M/wk, about like it is now To declare 70 wars costs 3.5Bn + 23.855B/wk, too much to reasonably sustain
It forces Privateers to pick and choose their targets but allows them to remain in operation if they choose wisely.
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Soulja
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Posted - 2007.04.17 23:56:00 -
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Well 'Alliance P' .. consider yourselves lucky that this wasn't one of those undocumented changes otherwise the person in charge of the purse strings would have had some serious wtf to contend with
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Kylar Renpurs
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Posted - 2007.04.18 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Nyabinghi
Actually yeah...I believe when sentry guns were put into low sec it was meant as a deterrent but since all the gate campers can tank sentries fine now it rather makes the sentries pointless.
BTW FYI PVP doesn't just mean pew-pew, there is a lot of PVP in mining, trading, buildin, etc. And as far as I know the richest players in EVE are in primarily PVP Alliances.
I dont mind the fact low sec sentries can be tanked and not do omgwtfinstakill damage, but I'd like to see something else besides sentries, like, a few sovereign (read: belonging to the factions sovereignity) cops show up and punch on as well, especially if the campers hang round after gaining system aggro. It wouldn't be *too* tough, but it'd chop up gameplay a bit, make it more interesting,,, but thats off-topic.
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