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thatonepersone Son's of Plunder Panic Attack. 41	Posted - 2017.01.14 23:01:52 - [1] - Quote I was on facebook and one of the people i play with in game is on my recommended friends list. We have never communicated out side of eve, we have no mutual friends and in team speak we have only used his first name. The only reason i know its him for sure is because he has a picture uploaded in team speak. Anybody else see a problem with this?
Akali Mid Aliastra Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2017.01.14 23:03:43 - [2] - Quote Youre the one that sees a "problem" with it.. care to elaborate what are you trying to say here? What is the purpose of this thread?
thatonepersone Son's of Plunder Panic Attack. 41	Posted - 2017.01.14 23:10:07 - [3] - Quote I am asking if anybody else thinks facebook shouldnt be going that deep into our eve stuff. If a player was doing this to see which players where talking to each other with out there consent, and to see who the players where in real life, it would be a problem. Im asking what other people think about it.
Hir Miriel Elves In Space 273	Posted - 2017.01.14 23:12:08 - [4] - Quote Facebook is using the EVE social network to grow its own social network, by plundering the information in your computer. Facebook also does it by checking out what you type in messages to others, you can test that by mentioning a product in a private message and then seeing the Facebook ads pop up. Apart from the problem of privacy, which most people don't really care about now, there is the problem of Facebook coming between players and EVE. Inserting itself as a middleman. Which has implications for CCP. Myself I'd prefer CCP to consider the social network of EVE as part of the game, rather than a job that's best farmed out to Twitter, Facebook and the other loonies. However it is what it is, and we can't really tell where all this will end up, maybe it will be okay. ~ ~~ Thinking inside Schrodinger's sandbox. ~~ ~
Avaelica Kuershin Paper Cats 302	Posted - 2017.01.14 23:16:42 - [5] - Quote thatonepersone wrote: I was on facebook and one of the people i play with in game is on my recommended friends list. We have never communicated out side of eve, we have no mutual friends and in team speak we have only used his first name. The only reason i know its him for sure is because he has a picture uploaded in team speak. Anybody else see a problem with this? If you mean with Facebook datamining everything then possibly. If the person you play with is in your corp I can see how the datamining occurs.
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 1082	Posted - 2017.01.14 23:18:19 - [6] - Quote Noticed a similar trend myself and separated all RL connections to Eve Online. @lunettelulu7
Rroff Antagonistic Tendencies 1042	Posted - 2017.01.14 23:28:47 - [7] - Quote "Supposedly" doesn't show people who search for you in people you might know - some rumors that it does if you both search for each other but maybe he searched for you and that is how it happened. Over Christmas I was sitting by some girl at a party - didn't know her, we have no friends in common, etc. I didn't search for her on FB - 2 days after she starts showing in my people you might know list. Its also started showing people recently that I worked with years ago before the internet was really a thing - who again I have absolutely no links to :s
Kenneth Endashi Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 109	Posted - 2017.01.14 23:59:31 - [8] - Quote thatonepersone wrote: I am asking if anybody else thinks facebook shouldnt be going that deep into our eve stuff. If a player was doing this to see which players where talking to each other with out there consent, and to see who the players where in real life, it would be a problem. Im asking what other people think about it. i agree. moreover eve as a closed system is partly the product. there are boundaries in eve vastly different from other social systems. any facebook telemetry thru eve disrespects that tradition, interferes with gameplay and violates basic game rules, as youve said, and you didnt consent to it either but lets not get into that because what fb data sharing does to eve as a product and society is paramount in the issue youve raised.
Kenneth Endashi Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 109	Posted - 2017.01.15 00:06:37 - [9] - Quote thatonepersone wrote: I am asking if anybody else thinks facebook shouldnt be going that deep into our eve stuff. If a player was doing this to see which players where talking to each other with out there consent, and to see who the players where in real life, it would be a problem. Im asking what other people think about it. i agree. moreover eve as a closed system is partly the product. there are boundaries in eve vastly different from other social systems. any facebook telemetry thru eve disrespects that traditional pseudo-anonymity, interferes with gameplay because much of eve is played offline but on your terms. popping up in facebook breaks immersion, and violates basic game rules, as youve said, and you didnt consent to it either but lets not get into that because how fb data sharing affects eve as a product, gaming experience, and society is paramount to the issue youve raised.
Demonspawn 666 The Dirty Rejects ChaosTheory. 226	Posted - 2017.01.15 00:23:31 - [10] - Quote Delete Facebook.... problem solved! Is it really important that you keep up to date with the antics of peoples cats, dogs, hamsters and their dietary intake? I hate facebook. The Dirty Rejects are recruiting! Come play with me...... I like being played with!
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 1391	Posted - 2017.01.15 00:43:22 - [11] - Quote Facebook is probably one of the most despicable applications on the internet. Just stop using it. Remove standings and insurance.
Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 1116	Posted - 2017.01.15 01:02:26 - [12] - Quote I thought that title went to Origin. Granted, Facebook would likely be a pretty close second in that case anyways. "Tomahawks?" "----in' A, right?" "Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each." "----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Kousaka Otsu Shigure 73	Posted - 2017.01.15 06:18:24 - [13] - Quote I did a 'social suicide' back in Jan. 2009 I think.. things that tipped me off: -login to YYYY by using your google/facebook account --- WTH is my account from another site, being connected to my YYYY account? -help us help you recover your account by adding your phone number.. -browser geolocating features -etc,etc. T'was hard explaining it in job interviews though, I got thru by telling some bullshit like "I didn't need to use it 'cause the people important to me, I speak to them face to face whenever possible." Quote: I didn't search for her on FB - 2 days after she starts showing in my people you might know list. You were probably seen in a picture together and/or was 'tagged' and/or was mentioned you were in the said occasion. Have you seen those kiddy facial makeup/mask apps on phones nowadays? Their ability to track facial features is.. disturbing. adjusts tinfoil hat Quote: Facebook is using the EVE social network to grow its own social network, by plundering the information in your computer. You know that Like button? People have been farming them, and will be doing so for years to come. adjusts Hir Miriel's tinfoil hat Quote: Delete Facebook.... problem solved! Your data is still on the servers. And they are using it as well, without you knowing. Ignorance is Bliss, I guess. Oh I remember an early article about one guy requesting all the data about his account in the FB servers to be sent to him, after he deleted his account. He received it in cdroms or dvdroms, via mail. It's all 'public data' for these people. I've even seen nullsec players here in eve do these 'public data analysis' to smoke out spais in their midst. Archiver, Software Developer and Data Slave Current Project Status: Harvesting Killboards
Yebo Lakatosh Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance 16	Posted - 2017.01.15 06:36:09 - [14] - Quote Demonspawn 666 wrote: I hate facebook. That. I only ever touched it when someone forced me with a gun.. or with a business offer. Now I have one more reason for that.
Rroff Antagonistic Tendencies 1042	Posted - 2017.01.15 10:49:42 - [15] - Quote Kousaka Otsu Shigure wrote: You were probably seen in a picture together and/or was 'tagged' and/or was mentioned you were in the said occasion. Have you seen those kiddy facial makeup/mask apps on phones nowadays? Their ability to track facial features is.. disturbing. I'm fairly sure none of that explains it here, would take a boringly long post to explain why. Also even assuming it was the case there were several other people who would ostensibly fit the same parameters who have never shown in the list that I have noticed.
Gwenaelle de Ardevon Ordum Eternam 5671	Posted - 2017.01.15 10:57:42 - [16] - Quote There is an better life without Fakebook. Nobody needs the asocial media... «An hour sitting with a pretty girl on a park bench passes like a minute, but a minute sitting on a hot stove seems like an hour». Albert Einstein - [11, S. 154] More Quotes, Poetry & Prose on: https://gwenaelledeardevon.wordpress.com/
Rroff Antagonistic Tendencies 1042	Posted - 2017.01.15 11:57:37 - [17] - Quote ^^ Like eve social media is largely what you make of it - for the most part there are mechanisms to hide the spam, etc. I largely use it to keep up with close family/relatives who are now a bit spread out and organising work events, etc. and pretty much everything else is blocked.
Neuntausend Rens Nursing Home 1349	Posted - 2017.01.15 12:20:40 - [18] - Quote Facebook is very creepy, which is why I don't use it. A couple years back my friends almost managed to drag me into it, but I had a similar experience to OP: It immediately knew who my friends were, and even listed a couple of people from school who I had not been in contact with for 10 or so years, even through I told it pretty much nothing about me. I immediately closed the account, installed DoNotTrackMe and never touched anything that said "Facebook" on it ever again.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 27338	Posted - 2017.01.15 14:12:37 - [19] - Quote Facebook is all about making information and data about their users, real or otherwise, work for them. Other companies also put the data that Facebook makes publicly available to work, for themselves. Why is the OP surprised by this? In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack
Khan Wrenth Ore Oppression Prevention and Salvation 743	Posted - 2017.01.15 14:13:11 - [20] - Quote Neuntausend wrote: Facebook is very creepy, which is why I don't use it. A couple years back my friends almost managed to drag me into it, but I had a similar experience to OP: It immediately knew who my friends were, and even listed a couple of people from school who I had not been in contact with for 10 or so years, even through I told it pretty much nothing about me. I immediately closed the account, installed DoNotTrackMe and never touched anything that said "Facebook" on it ever again. Almost my exact experience. Except I did not know of "DoNotTrackMe", otherwise this is my story verbatim. Look, FaceBook as an entity violates the rules of common sense that were established back when the internet really started to become an everyday consumer product instead of a niche thing rich folks tinkered with - you never put your name out there. Never. Never. Of course there's services that require it (like online banking), but there's a difference between having your name publicly visible on some fad site and your private communications between yourself and your credit card company. It's not just that Facebook wants your name (which I know is the LEAST of the concerns, but I'm going for a different point). It's that they absolutely demand it. Back when chat rooms were a thing, I had several accounts with different chat programs. Yahoo, AOL, ICQ, mIRC, etc. And I had different handles and passwords for all of them. None of them needed a "name", and if they did, any random splurge of letters sufficed for them. When I tried that with facebook, it refused; citing that what I typed "was not a real name". My thoughts were, "Well no s* Sherlock, you're not getting my real name!". Some back and forth ensued with Facebook demanding a real name until I gave them a random real name. Nobody on the internet, save for financial transactions, needs your real name. If they demand it, it's a scam. Facebook is insidious in how it manipulates people via positive reinforcement to divulge information on their friends, family, etc. I have a bunch of relatives that use Facebook and I guarantee you that there is s*tons of information about me that they share without my consent, because we don't live in a world anymore where people respect other people's privacy. Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
King Aires POS Party Ember Sands 195	Posted - 2017.01.15 14:49:30 - [21] - Quote CCP is partners with Oculus Rift Oculus Rift is owned by Facebook Facebook has your Eve meta data CCP owns Eve ...Doesn't take much of a leap to assume
Akane Togenada Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 20	Posted - 2017.01.15 14:59:00 - [22] - Quote I contantly get all sort of weird suggestions fr+Ñn Facebook when it comes to who I'm supposed to be friend with or not. I just choose to ignore that function.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 640	Posted - 2017.01.15 15:21:54 - [23] - Quote If you really care about your privacy, stop using any service that is free, stop using social media, remove any and all Microsoft software, remove and stop using Google, Yahoo and all that other crap. Use duckduckgo as your default search engine, use either a paid email hoster that provably cares about your privacy and won't violate it or host a mail server yourself, use pgp whenever possible, absolutely use Tor and when it comes to the Tor browser or Firefox (it looks reasonably okay with the Classic Theme Restorer plugin and some tweaking), the add-ons you defintely want installed are uBlock Origin (take a look at AdNauseam), Cookie Monster (for easier cookie management, as your default policy should be to deny any and all cookies), NoScript and EFF's Privacy Badger. That should get you started. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Josef Djugashvilis 3519	Posted - 2017.01.15 15:25:30 - [24] - Quote The real problem is Facebook itself. This is not a signature.
Dibz Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 167	Posted - 2017.01.15 17:07:36 - [25] - Quote Facebook is weird. Recently it suggested one of my neighbours as a Facebook 'friend', despite me never having interacted with them at all other than a brief hello in the hallway.
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1195	Posted - 2017.01.15 18:11:02 - [26] - Quote You realize that the mutual friends thing is whats the most likely algorithm issue here. You dont know them but Facebook knows both you and them play or have mentioned "Eve Online" in posts, messages, etc. They are likely a friend of a friend, or even a friend of a friend of a friend, but still close enough that YOU do not know each other personally. Same as the guy who met the girl at the party. You are both at the same party and therefore know the same mutual people. This is a normal occurrence and is most evident pop culturally by the "7 degrees of Bacon" game which was a play on the social psych experiment of the 70s I believe. Forget the name of the experiment. But Facebook is simply exploiting this mutual friends issue for datamining and ad placement and making a fortune off it. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
Salvos Rhoska 1945	Posted - 2017.01.15 18:30:29 - [27] - Quote Im getting peripheral EVE advertising on a lot of sites I frequent, so the metadata issue is far larger than just Facebook. The inherit stupidity in this is that I am already an EVE player, so the ads are wasted on me. As to Facebook, Twitter, Google and other metadata accumulators, this is a real problem. I have doxxed a lot of people (but never in EVE!), to find out who I am dealing with. Its more often than not ridiculously easy to follow a few trails and heuristically combine them. People are usually terribly bad at covering their own tracks. If I can do that, there is no telling what organizations with far more data and resources than I have can do. The accumulation of data that various internet service providers have garnered off us WILL, mark my words, be a seminal issue in our lifetime. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
ValentineMichael Smith Farnham's Freehold 8	Posted - 2017.01.15 21:13:40 - [28] - Quote Hir Miriel wrote: ...Apart from the problem of privacy, which most people don't really care about now, there is the problem of Facebook coming between players and EVE. Inserting itself as a middleman. Which has implications for CCP..... MOST people don't care about privacy now? I dissagree. It would be very foolish to not care about our dwindling privacy. Yes I have a big problem with FB knowing who I talk to in a game that is completely unrelated to FB. Is it possible that this other person ever did a search for you on FB, and that's how FB knows you are associated? And Salvos, I agree with your last line very much.
Sarah Flynt Federation Interstellar Resources Silent Infinity 264	Posted - 2017.01.15 21:25:30 - [29] - Quote ValentineMichael Smith wrote: Hir Miriel wrote: ...Apart from the problem of privacy, which most people don't really care about now, there is the problem of Facebook coming between players and EVE. Inserting itself as a middleman. Which has implications for CCP..... MOST people don't care about privacy now? I dissagree. It would be very foolish to not care about our dwindling privacy. If they were, they wouldn't be using FB. Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 659	Posted - 2017.01.15 21:27:09 - [30] - Quote ValentineMichael Smith wrote: Hir Miriel wrote: ...Apart from the problem of privacy, which most people don't really care about now, there is the problem of Facebook coming between players and EVE. Inserting itself as a middleman. Which has implications for CCP..... MOST people don't care about privacy now? I dissagree. It would be very foolish to not care about our dwindling privacy. Yes I have a big problem with FB knowing who I talk to in a game that is completely unrelated to FB. Is it possible that this other person ever did a search for you on FB, and that's how FB knows you are associated? And Salvos, I agree with your last line very much. Do you even know what's going on out there? It's true that a great many people really do not care about their privacy. Just look at all those Android and iOS smartphones. WhatsApp has over a billion users, don't they? How many people do you know that actually think about what data is constantly collected about them and how that data is used? The most common answer I get to that question is that the person I asked simply does not care. Since you're using Facebook, it's obvious that you don't care either, so don't act all surprised now about having no privacy. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Kenneth Endashi Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 110	Posted - 2017.01.15 23:26:40 - [31] - Quote Hello! I'm writing from Firefox running the uMatrix extension that gives me control over what elements of webpages can execute commands on my machine. It sounds complicated, but it's a very simple matrix that dictates what objects you want your browser accessing, and from where. From a single glance, I can see there are forum site functionality features served through the Optimizely cdn, a data-mining firm that shares all the information it gathers from one site with other corporations and other websites. (edited to say that only by enabling the data-mining optimizely was I able to post on this forum!) Through various forms of digital fingerprinting, optimizely (which is undoubtedly how facebook acquires our data) creates a profile for every machine it can touch that is permanently stored and shared with every other site you connect to using optimizely or one of its numerous sharing partners. There's a whole internet of data about you and everyone else who uses it, and that information is traded for real money. Some people even believe you deserve a cut, and are fighting for consumer rights to their own personal data. Either they pay you some percentage of what your data is worth, or they stop collecting it, is their argument. With regards to this particular problem, you can "opt out" of optimizely-specific data-mining on your particular machine, but the cynic in me says "yeah right, they just claim to stop and continue surreptitiously mining you because why not? More to the point, your data probably becomes instantly more valuable by virtue of the fact you don't want it shared." That link is here: https://www.optimizely.com/opt_out/ It is time to move on from the "what are you hiding" dismissal of legitimate concerns about the unbridled harvesting of people for their sweet, profitable data and listen to new approaches to the problem of wanton data mining of people just trying to play a videogame (that they already paid to play! Even if it's in the ToS like it is, It's not like Eve is free and we're supposed to be the product like so many other applications). The solution, in this case, starts with the individual. Research what you can do to protect your own data. I roll with the following Firefox plugins to minimize my digital footprint: uMatrix BetterPrivacy (erases a new kind of LSO privacy invading cookie that puts the better known, original cookies to shame. as far as I know, BetterPrivacy is one of the only ways to find and eliminate this powerful new cookie) uBlock Origin blocks ads and other data-mining domains (use with care, because news agencies, and small bloggers and vid publishers rely on ad income to survive!) Ultimately, I recommend switching to Linux and making it a hobby to see how far you're willing to go to limit routine privacy violations. It's actually pretty fun, and enlightening too! I hope this helps
Tanuki Kittybeta Ripperoni in Pepperoni Trigger Warnings 72	Posted - 2017.01.16 04:02:26 - [32] - Quote never used fb, never will
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 6380	Posted - 2017.01.16 04:28:49 - [33] - Quote Tbh, I would be _really_ surprised if the link came via CCP. It's probably friend of friend of friend style stuff. I mean, I've been linked to people I've worked with in the past. Not at the same company, and I've never talked to him outside of phonecalls and corporate email, but he's still popped up in my 'do you know' list. No mutual friends, but still linked. There's also possibilities like you both looked at something on Facebook, coming from the same source, on a number of occasions. They're very very good at drawing this kind of conclusion. Woo! CSM XI! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 3830	Posted - 2017.01.16 05:03:40 - [34] - Quote Dibz wrote: Facebook is weird. Recently it suggested one of my neighbours as a Facebook 'friend', despite me never having interacted with them at all other than a brief hello in the hallway. Location information. You will both have location info turned on and it reads you as close enough. Probably what happened to the OP is you both liked a FB post related to EVE, therefore Facebook triggers it's algorithm of people you might know based off that. Or you both liked CCP's page on FB. If you both attended fanfest the same year that also could be it. And that's only a 10 second thought on triggers it could have.
Andreve en Distel Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 19	Posted - 2017.01.16 08:20:23 - [35] - Quote By viewing this page in your browser, Facebook is potentially getting your information. I first started getting Eve Online ads in my browser long before I joined the game, simply because I looked up one of those Forbes articles talking about a big battle a couple years ago. That's all it took for them to identify me as someone to target with Eve advertising. If I go to a website and view a product page, I can go back to my other browser tab, refresh Facebook, and insta-magically I have targeted advertising for the exact items I had been viewing. Even days after, I'll have ads for products and websites I had viewed previously, even if I delete the local browser history, cookies, etc. that the typical user would know about and be able to readily delete. If there's anyone to blame, it's our soon-to-be Google Overlords
Toobo Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium 413	Posted - 2017.01.16 09:30:55 - [36] - Quote something I don't really understand is that I am obviously an EVE player already, on subs, and CCP knows this and Facebook probably knows this too - why are they showing me adverts of EVE Online lol? It would make more sense to show ads for EVE gears & PLEX purchases and things like that, but the ads they show on my FB are directed to new/non-eve players. about privacy & all that - well it is what it is. Either you unplug or you live with it. Being connected while trying to remain anonymous & private doesn't work very well in modern world, unless you really avoid some of the most/daily used sites, devices, protocols, etc. It is probably possible if you are really on top of your game regarding security issues, but there are products that can do some incredible snooping things too. Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 2022	Posted - 2017.01.16 09:39:33 - [37] - Quote Toobo wrote: something I don't really understand is that I am obviously an EVE player already, on subs, and CCP knows this and Facebook probably knows this too - why are they showing me adverts of EVE Online lol? It would make more sense to show ads for EVE gears & PLEX purchases and things like that, but the ads they show on my FB are directed to new/non-eve players. Well... It looks like those developing these systems are good in gathering information but bad at simple understanding. For me is was when i bought new smartphone on Ali-Express and after that started to receive advertisements about new phones. Really? You think i'm some kind of shop? I bought the phone and i will need another one in like year or about it. Accessories would be of better use. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1372	Posted - 2017.01.16 13:30:52 - [38] - Quote Wait people still get ads? Get with the times and block them. What a bunch of internet dinosaurs doesn't have ads permanently blocked. Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
ISD Max Trix ISD Community Communications Liaisons 761	Posted - 2017.01.16 13:39:36 - [39] - Quote Your internet data is constantly being tracked and mined by Internet advertiser, including Facebook, Google, Microsoft, and Various 3 letter agencys. You can try to sterilize yourself from them through various optout programs and data destroyers (sites that were made to throw off the trackers by pumping false info into it) but you will have to give up Facebook, google, yahoo etc and religiously use a TOR browser along with a vpn. Even then it just limits the tracking not eliminate it. ISD Max Trix Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1200	Posted - 2017.01.16 14:05:20 - [40] - Quote Hello Mr Yakamoto Just gonna leave this here. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
thatonepersone Son's of Plunder Panic Attack. 47	Posted - 2017.01.16 14:51:55 - [41] - Quote I understand they track stuff like likes and page visted. I get ads on fb for everything i look at on amazon. Why doesn't facebook recommend any of you guys to me though? I mean, the guy who i played with dosnt even hardly use his facebook, he even had to be reminded he had one. Does facebook dig through eve who and look for people in the same corp?
Amarrchecko Hedion University Amarr Empire 113	Posted - 2017.01.16 15:58:46 - [42] - Quote When I started back to Eve about a year ago, Facebook suggested the RL page of a player who was in my corp back when I first played in 2006-2007 who no longer actually plays Eve at all. I didn't have Facebook back then. I'm on new computers since then. My Eve email is different than and unconnected to my Facebook email. Good times.
Charley Varrick State War Academy Caldari State 17	Posted - 2017.01.16 16:23:58 - [43] - Quote I think the strangest add related thing I have seen is an add on FB for a product I bought online over 10 years ago, 5 years before I even had a FB account.
ValentineMichael Smith Farnham's Freehold 11	Posted - 2017.01.16 23:44:18 - [44] - Quote Sarah Flynt wrote: ValentineMichael Smith wrote: Hir Miriel wrote: ...Apart from the problem of privacy, which most people don't really care about now, there is the problem of Facebook coming between players and EVE. Inserting itself as a middleman. Which has implications for CCP..... MOST people don't care about privacy now? I dissagree. It would be very foolish to not care about our dwindling privacy. If they were, they wouldn't be using FB. Not true. I'm concerned about my privacy and I use Facebook. I'm also not having the problems being described here. Because I don't use facebook on my phone. I assume people are using FB on their phone and have of course given the ap permission to access every other app inclusing your web browser. When using it on your desktop, don't gave your afcebook page open while doing things in other tabs now that you know how bad they are data mining.
Hazel TuckerTS University of Caille Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2017.01.16 23:58:39 - [45] - Quote Awwwee Don't be afraid to exit the closet sweetie
Kenneth Endashi Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 111	Posted - 2017.01.17 00:45:30 - [46] - Quote ValentineMichael Smith wrote: Sarah Flynt wrote: ValentineMichael Smith wrote: Hir Miriel wrote: ...Apart from the problem of privacy, which most people don't really care about now, there is the problem of Facebook coming between players and EVE. Inserting itself as a middleman. Which has implications for CCP..... MOST people don't care about privacy now? I dissagree. It would be very foolish to not care about our dwindling privacy. If they were, they wouldn't be using FB. Not true. I'm concerned about my privacy and I use Facebook. I'm also not having the problems being described here. Because I don't use facebook on my phone. I assume people are using FB on their phone and have of course given the ap permission to access every other app inclusing your web browser. When using it on your desktop, don't gave your afcebook page open while doing things in other tabs now that you know how bad they are data mining. That's actually not how tracking works. Most modern websites use some form of tracking. Even the most basic forms of tracking "phone home" or report your usage to whatever corporation made the software, in addition to the site owner, who wants to know how visitors are using his/her website. This much everyone knows. But the tracking doesn't stop there! Cookies, are like a spyware STI that - once acquired - track you around every site you visit, until you come on back to the original scumhole where you picked up the cookie. Most likely Facebook, lol. More to the point, say you delete the cookie (wow, no one ever thought of that before!) HTML5 canvassing has already made a digital fingerprint of your exact computer based on the way it displays colors (no two machines in the world are exactly alike). This probing goes very deep. I know that even if you thwart those things, but still browse using your native browser on your home laptop, they fingerprint your ding'd old dang'd effin' BATTERY! It's nuts, how far it goes. But yeah, the known information about your home PC is simply recalled based on your digital fingerprint, even if you have cookies blocked and all that. They still know it's you. But if you don't have cookies enabled, and you actively BLOCK scripts (that's the important part), at least that's ALL they know. But no, your method of closing Facebook does not actually prevent anything except you, from seeing Facebook. Facebook still sees YOU CIA's 'Facebook' Program Dramatically Cut Agency's Costs http://www.theonion.com/video/cias-facebook-program-dramatically-cut-agencys-cos-19753
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 6383	Posted - 2017.01.17 01:41:44 - [47] - Quote ^^ Poe's law, or someone who's actually nuts. decide for yourself Woo! CSM XI! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Ari Shekelstein The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.01.17 03:15:24 - [48] - Quote Stop. Using. Facebook.
Valkin Mordirc 2677	Posted - 2017.01.17 13:36:05 - [49] - Quote Ari Shekelstein wrote: Stop. Using. Facebook. Pretty much this. Or get used to allowing Facebook access to all your personal data, including your phone, contacts gallery, and whatever your phone's microphone happens to pick up. What you search for, what you are talking to your friends about. What you buy, what sites you frequent. You literally sign away your privacy by having a facebook account. Worse if you have the messenger app on your phone. `#DeleteTheWeak`
Swamp Drain Swamp Donkey's United 0	Posted - 2017.01.17 14:14:10 - [50] - Quote Just stop using social media. I have never used social media and it is the most rewarding feeling in the world when your surrounded by people and you can't help but notice how frantically everyone is flipping through their phones not paying attention to the world around them. (It's especially funny when people walk across busy streets with their heads glued to their phones) I pride myself in living in reality and I have no sympathy for people who regret throwing their personal lives out on the internet for the whole world to see. Once you let your information out on the world-wide web, you can never get it back. Hopefully this is a great learning experience and illustrates to you the fact that you are not in control of your privacy by using social media. I'd suggest deleting the account and engaging with your 'real friends' via phone or e-mail. It's not like there's any worthwhile conversation going on in the social media world anyways.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1412	Posted - 2017.01.17 14:23:10 - [51] - Quote Swamp Drain wrote: ...I have never used social media... ...It's not like there's any worthwhile conversation going on in the social media world anyways. If you have no experience with it, how do you know the second statement quotes is true? Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Owen Levanth Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration 508	Posted - 2017.01.17 19:51:03 - [52] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Swamp Drain wrote: ...I have never used social media... ...It's not like there's any worthwhile conversation going on in the social media world anyways. If you have no experience with it, how do you know this is true? Should we tell him that an online forum counts as social media too?
Ari Shekelstein The Scope Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2017.01.17 20:43:46 - [53] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Swamp Drain wrote: ...I have never used social media... ...It's not like there's any worthwhile conversation going on in the social media world anyways. If you have no experience with it, how do you know this is true? It can't be very interesting if I'm not a part of it.
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 2025	Posted - 2017.01.17 20:53:27 - [54] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Swamp Drain wrote: ...I have never used social media... ...It's not like there's any worthwhile conversation going on in the social media world anyways. If you have no experience with it, how do you know this is true? You don't NEED to test every thing around to know that you are not interested in it. You already know a lot of stuff you won't taste even if you haven't tasted it yet. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Hipqo Tyde8 159	Posted - 2017.01.17 22:51:04 - [55] - Quote Facebook is the computer era's "free service" model. You pay for it with your personal information, you are the product and payment for using facebook. If you dont like it, theres no other choice then to stop using it, block all cookies, block all tracking and pretty much never visit any major websites again. Facebook is like skynet, its everywhere and knows everything. A life is best lived, to not step into your grave in a well preserved body. Instead, to slide in side ways, all battered and bruised, screamming, "Holy SH**! What a ride!"
Kalicia Ember Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2017.01.18 03:02:16 - [56] - Quote Datamining sucks and all but this seems more like a tinfoil hat thread. If you don't want people to see your face, unplug Facebook from your EVE account
Flappe Nilsen Funda ICKARU5 0	Posted - 2017.01.18 10:57:54 - [57] - Quote to parrot what other people have said: leave facebook. I did just that this summer, and i have have a better life now. "fake news", " selfdesign" and personalized commercials, on top of them mining you, is not a great combo.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1420	Posted - 2017.01.18 11:02:07 - [58] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Swamp Drain wrote: ...I have never used social media... ...It's not like there's any worthwhile conversation going on in the social media world anyways. If you have no experience with it, how do you know this is true? You don't NEED to test every thing around to know that you are not interested in it. You already know a lot of stuff you won't taste even if you haven't tasted it yet. Interest in it isn't what he said. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Qwerty Ernaga State War Academy Caldari State 10	Posted - 2017.01.18 13:19:07 - [59] - Quote Facebook and Google, probably two worst companies considering your personal data (following you with their creepy cookies everywhere, not to mention Google was historically fined for breaching browser security so you couldn-¦t get rid of their tracking cookies); do not use products from either, stop their cookies with browser addons, use no script and preferably reliable VPN not based in Europe or USA. Duckduckgo for search engine. That-¦s what I do.
Gregorius Goldstein Ze One Man Show 1733	Posted - 2017.01.18 13:31:54 - [60] - Quote It is amusing how long it does some users take to realize what facebook's business model is. Only the best things in life are free, facebook is not.
Qwerty Ernaga State War Academy Caldari State 11	Posted - 2017.01.18 13:47:36 - [61] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rNgCnY1lPg Hopefully external links are not punishable by death. Couldn-¦t help myself.
Kenneth Endashi Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 113	Posted - 2017.01.19 00:21:59 - [62] - Quote ISD Max Trix wrote: Your internet data is constantly being tracked and mined by Internet advertiser, including Facebook, Google, Microsoft, and Various 3 letter agencys. You can try to sterilize yourself from them through various optout programs and data destroyers (sites that were made to throw off the trackers by pumping false info into it) but you will have to give up Facebook, google, yahoo etc and religiously use a TOR browser along with a vpn. Even then it just limits the tracking not eliminate it. There are changes on the horizon in the USA (which are already in full effect elsewhere) that are going to necessitate the use of a VPN in the future. In my opinion, even if you don't plan to use them, it is a good practice to at least become familiar with these tools now, while we are still in the relatively early days of Big Data, because the internet plays such an important role in our lives and society. Let people call you a conspiracy nut. Just because they don't see the importance of protecting your personal data, doesn't mean it is not important. Most people aren't even aware of it, nor do they want to be. OP is conscientious. I like that about OP. I like this discussion. If anyone has questions about the tools mentioned above, send me an Eve mail and I'll happily point you in the right direction!
Chopper Rollins Far Beyond Triggered 1753	Posted - 2017.01.19 01:36:20 - [63] - Quote Swamp Drain wrote: Just stop using social media. I have never used social media and it is the most rewarding feeling in the world when your surrounded by people and you can't help but notice how frantically everyone is flipping through their phones not paying attention to the world around them. (It's especially funny when people walk across busy streets with their heads glued to their phones) I pride myself in living in reality and I have no sympathy for people who regret throwing their personal lives out on the internet for the whole world to see. ... People are social animals. Their needs for recognition, validation, attention and appreciation are valid and serve a social function. The charm of lights and sound at the push of a button is infantile and therefore very strong. The internet has made those needs into levers for commercialisation of communication. Being amused and unsympathetic is pompous and unhelpful, isn't it? Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Princess Adhara University of Caille Gallente Federation 108	Posted - 2017.01.19 03:17:15 - [64] - Quote Shut up and just join the great link
Expendable Unit Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 34	Posted - 2017.01.19 10:00:03 - [65] - Quote thatonepersone wrote: I was on facebook and one of the people i play with in game is on my recommended friends list. We have never communicated out side of eve, we have no mutual friends and in team speak we have only used his first name. The only reason i know its him for sure is because he has a picture uploaded in team speak. Anybody else see a problem with this? Haha, dude??!!! Read the Assbook EULA next time....Also, if you ever find yourself dressed as a woman on a big poster hung on a skyscraper that states "Crossdressers lives matter", don't go asking questions as why that is?! Try and read EULAS, especially in today's world.
Radical Posture Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2017.01.19 14:15:16 - [66] - Quote In before all our avatars are replaced by our Facebook profiles.
Hakawai State War Academy Caldari State 43	Posted - 2017.01.20 06:59:46 - [67] - Quote Kenneth Endashi wrote: There are changes on the horizon in the USA (which are already in full effect elsewhere) that are going to necessitate the use of a VPN in the future. [...] ... while we are still in the relatively early days of Big Data, because the internet plays such an important role in our lives and society. [...] "Big Data" already works well enough to track and categorize everyone who uses the Internet. Everyone. There are limits to the level of detail that can be saved (for example it's not currently practical to save a copy of every graphic everyone looks at), but as you say in your post - the tech gets better all the time. It's already well past any "reasonable" level of tracking of non-criminal individuals. And there's no practical way to wind it back. BTW it's an illusion that consumer-grade VPNs (actually any consumer-grade encryption technology) are secure from Government-level surveillance. There will probably never again be a combination of convenience and privacy available on public networks. Nor will it ever be possible to live as normal life and be anonymous on the public networks, no matter how hard you try. A general comment based on some loose comments earlier: Many components in network-capable consumer electronic devices have unique ids. Consumer software does not offer the possibility of hiding these unique ids from being queried and recorded. This includes multiple parts in your computers and phones, and also much of the gear that provides local wireless communication. A lot of the ISP and public network gear that private equipment connects to can provide quite accurate information about user location (both "home" and when you moving around using a mobile network. Move, take any piece of equipment with a queriable unique id, and your new location it attached to all the personal data already recorded. Similarly new phone/old number has no masking effect at all, nor does new number/old phone. Or new computer/old userid, or new computer/phone old broadband connection device, or old broadband supplier. It's not practical for normal people to "hide" or "disappear" from this. Of course it can be done in special cases, but only a tiny minority (which of course will come to include all the really dangerous people in the world, along with the more "privileged". But it takes a lot - most people simply aren't prepared or able to ditch all of family, friends, job, every aspect of their opline identities and activities, etc. In general, the horse has already bolted long ago, we're standing in the open stable doorway, looking at our feet, and debating whether the door is open or not.

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