Still waiting on anybody to commit to running rabbits in the new "Cearain FW"....

Still waiting on anybody to commit to running rabbits in the new "Cearain FW"....

One day I might just see a post from you that "adds" something to the ideas around for FW rather than just "takes away" from someone else.

I mean I do think strong rollbacks and a good real time intel will solve the problem. But if ccp did those proposals and the problem still existed as strong as ever 6 months out then I would say ok maybe I was wrong and we need to take a different approach.

No one can make a militia fight.

If you are bored of orbiting buttons with no contest from the opposite militia, perhaps you were in the wrong systems?

If you want to capture systems no one cares about due to an overarching objective of pushing higher tier levels. At the same time the opposing militia neither cares about those systems nor actively opposes your objective to gain a higher tier, then its going to be boring,

If you feel entitled to action, even though your immediate objectives are to increase LP flow and to capture systems no one cares about, then i question your entitlement to be entertained by the opposite militia.

Perhaps try baiting, showing a little leg. Making it interesting. Every option is available to you.

Remember, you are dealing with other people, not NPCs.

This has already been said, but I think the Tier system for rewards is bad. And I agree with the CSM wanting to get rid of it.

Make it all Even instead... Rewards should be higher for higher ranked members of the militia, encouraging loyalty and participation.

The Tiers give both sides a reason to push for action in the warzone.

The Tiers give both sides a reason to push for action in the warzone.

I'm not sure it does.

People looking for isk from plexes are often not looking for fights. Some might take them if they come... but they aren't LOOKING for them.

People looking for fights rarely care enough to wait for a plex to finish. They're hunting others who are plexing.

The desire for ships exploding is what drives combat in FW. Even for those wanting "action"... the tier stuff is what they do in order to FUND their action. It's not what drives it... because quite honestly it's probably more effective to run from combat if you want to raise your tier than to engage in it.

The problem with the Tier system as it stands is that it's not a carrot on a stick, it's a feast on a stick. T1 vs T5 is more than a 6x payout difference. When a T5 O-Plexer can make 160m/hour in a frigate, but his counterpart is lucky to make 30m/hour assuming both are uncontested, there is a huge difference, and instead of encouraging the horse to go faster, the rider simply gets on the other horse.

The problem with the Tier system as it stands is that it's not a carrot on a stick, it's a feast on a stick. T1 vs T5 is more than a 6x payout difference. When a T5 O-Plexer can make 160m/hour in a frigate, but his counterpart is lucky to make 30m/hour assuming both are uncontested, there is a huge difference, and instead of encouraging the horse to go faster, the rider simply gets on the other horse.

Then you maybe looking at the wrong warzone while amarr / minmatar maybe in constant flux of tier 4-5 and what not that is down to it being a pure farm zone.

The Gallente / caldari warzone is nothing like that snd most timnes only ever reaches t3 for oneside and maybe t1-2 dipping for the losing side but constantly fought over. Yes they have some farmers im not saying they dont but they dont effect the day to day stuff even a quarter as much as the opposite warzone

Also most LP comes from missions any farmer worth thier salt wouldnt be in plex, the problem is nothing like it was maybe 2 to 3 years ago you seem to have old information

Your last comments showed exactly how out of touch you are with the demographic and have only listened to what your goon friends have told you who have farm alts in minnie / amarr

... At some point it becomes more profitable for alts to be on the "losing" side. And then the pendulum swings.

I know it does because I've been on both ends of the stick and have had these sorts of discussions with the main content creators in my militia for the past several years.

Care to explain it then?

It seems to me that those who care most about LP rewards are the rabbit plexers. Perhaps I'm coming from a different perspective as someone who's income isn't primarily from FW... I only really come to FW space for PvP opportunities. If I'm plexing... I'm doing so because I wan't to control the engagement range with whoever comes into the plex with me. The tier isn't much of a factor.

Those who've actually engaged in combat with me don't seem to be caring much about it either... which is why I'm confused in you saying the Tier gives a reason to push for action. It doesn't feel like it to me (though I'll admit my experience is limited).

Lots of reasons to try to manipulate the tier levels, and to do so you need to capture systems. Capturing systems leads to pvp, which is what we want too.

I guess this is the part I'm still not completely sold on.

Does capturing systems generally lead to PvP. I've taken part in 2 system captures... and in both cases the opposition barely showed up. A week of people yelling to plex a certain system... then go shoot at the hub for a bit. the only people who showed up were a couple of neutrals trying to snipe for a little while on the IHUB bash.

I don't seem to get a lot of PvP when I engage in plexing games... I get it when I search for it (jumping between plexes until I find someone in one who wants to fight). I get SOME... but it's much less frequent for me.

I guess this is the part I'm still not completely sold on.

Does capturing systems generally lead to PvP. I've taken part in 2 system captures... and in both cases the opposition barely showed up. A week of people yelling to plex a certain system... then go shoot at the hub for a bit. the only people who showed up were a couple of neutrals trying to snipe for a little while on the IHUB bash.

I don't seem to get a lot of PvP when I engage in plexing games... I get it when I search for it (jumping between plexes until I find someone in one who wants to fight). I get SOME... but it's much less frequent for me.

Selling at tier 5 usually gets around 400 - 500 ISK/LP.

Selling at tier 1 usually gets over 2000 ISK/LP min.

So in reality most people at tier 1 will be earning around 2/3 of someone at tier 5.

This is subject to market variables and ignores those that wait until their LP farmed at tier 5 is worth more due to their militia falling from tier 5 to tier 1. Since, by virtue of their existence, they have no problem with the isk they are making its easy to exclude them from consideration.

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Scialt welcome to the huge club of players who joined fw and wondered wtf is this.

Nobody cares about the vast majority of systems and nobody has for many years. That is because you best win sov by running away.

You do have to choose between farming or fighting if you want to be halfway efficient at either. That is why the top vp gainers for a day or a week are almost always flying stabbed or empty ships.

Don't let Crosi and XG make you disbelieve what you see with your own eyes.





I don't think that the fw pays too much. But if you just wanted isk you would be foolish to spend allot of time plexing at tier one when you can plex at a higher tier and simply hold onto your lp until the market swings your way. Minmatar are at tier 1 and they can not get 2k lp for buy orders for any items the other stores don't have.

To talk about this in depth would mean going into disparates in the lp store etc. Its pretty clear Gallente have an excellent lp store (eg. nomens buy orders are less than half those of navy vexors yet we still see 50% more vexors being sold. and lets not even look at the huge disparity for lol navy caracals and ospreys.) of and for the longest time Gallente had the hardest fw missions which meant that there aren't as many people with as much lp ready to crash the market.

So it is not surprising their lp store has not flattened out like so many others. But even if there is some slight fluctuation based on tier level there is no reason any of the farmers must sell when the market is low. So of course large numbers of farmers are going to go with the feast instead of the stick and gain huge amounts of sov for the winning side.

To say that since the farmers don't mind the amount of isk they receive, we can ignore them, demonstrates you do not understand the problems so many others see with faction war.