I'm going to assume that you've never actually been involved in any kind of PVP or have ever been in a corp with a PVP focus.

I'm assuming that because your level of ignorance is ******* astounding.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but I just wanted to draw your attention to something.

You do realize that that you could've gotten flamed/trolled just as hard by going to any FPS forum and substituted KDR for KM and you wouldn't have exposed yourself to the inevitable hunting/ganking that will now happen to this character of yours.

Are you asking to get hammered everytime you undock? Cause it really seems like it.

Whine

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but I just wanted to draw your attention to something.

You do realize that that you could've gotten flamed/trolled just as hard by going to any FPS forum and substituted KDR for KM and you wouldn't have exposed yourself to the inevitable hunting/ganking that will now happen to this character of yours.

Are you asking to get hammered everytime you undock? Cause it really seems like it.

Ganking is the equivalent of beating up the elderly (namely, a victim that can't fight back).

You seem to have misunderstood me.

I don't believe that you have any PVP characters or have been on any end of PVP other than having your mining barges ganked. If you had actually been part of any kind of PVP corp or ever actually played the game at all you wouldn't have made such a stupid thread.

the very first alliance I have found, and joined, do not have any kind of quotas regarding killmails.

Excuse me but how I spend my leisure time is my business. Besides, stealing their walkers is not really beating them up...

BattleClinic

Eve-Kill


few losses, no kills. This smells like an alt :)

As stated in the OP, this is my industry main, so of course I don't have a lot of kills or losses. Try checking the character's date of birth (2008) and reconsider your statement.

Killmails are dumb in some ways, such as the whole "free intel" aspect. They are good in other ways though, like being able to confirm that you're doing a job in a merc contract, or even just showing off how big your PvP epeen is. Killmails as they are now are a very central part of the game, becoming in some aspects more important than the PvP they track in some cases.

OP is not crazy. Getting rid of KMs would remove a free intel tool that everyone in Eve takes for granted, and is not going to be a popular idea. It might turn out to be fun in the end, though.

Ganking is the equivalent of beating up the elderly (namely, a victim that can't fight back)

Flame flame... uhh... flame.

Killmails are dumb in some ways, such as the whole "free intel" aspect. They are good in other ways though, like being able to confirm that you're doing a job in a merc contract, or even just showing off how big your PvP epeen is. Killmails as they are now are a very central part of the game, becoming in some aspects more important than the PvP they track in some cases.

OP is not crazy. Getting rid of KMs would remove a free intel tool that everyone in Eve takes for granted, and is not going to be a popular idea. It might turn out to be fun in the end, though.

People that can't differentiate between computer games and real life are ******* scary and probably shouldn't be allowed to participate in either.

I was going to say I somewhat agree with your post, but this gem just makes me want to run away as fast and as far as possible.

There is also a point about PVP(ers) becoming obsessed over killmails. It's idiotic and some people don't enjoy talking about it all the time. It also promotes blobbing / ganking / neutral alts less solo PVP. Taking a billion ISK worth of ships to fly into low sec in an effort to blow up for fun looks less fun when people realize the next day that the billion ISK loss will show up on their killboard, and still be there in 1-2-10 years when they may want to join a fancy ass PVP corp / something they'll need to explain forever.

They do discourage PVP.

[quote=Vimsy Vortis]I have tried nearly every aspect of EVE, and have discovered that nearly every null-sec corp requires that you be on X number of killmails per month or get kicked out.

Every corp I've ever been in has never ever required "X number of killmails per month or get kicked out" and would never support it. In fact, I've talked to a very good friend in an elite PvP corp in an elite PvP alliance and they don't have that rule. So either you are finding the wrong corps or you don't get the true grasp on PvP.

Eve is about honour not killmails.

It's called an analogy. Not seeing that makes you scary.

You mention no other game has something of the kind...

I agree, kill mails are a negative for Eve. War/combat should be about something greater than a bunch of silly stats.

A good analogy must be moderately realistic. Saying that eating corn on the cob is like pooping on grandma's face doesn't actually provide any useful information, except that there's something wrong with the person who thinks the analogy makes sense.

Youd know youd probably would have avoided much more of this flak if you posted with your main!

Personally I dont have much issues with KMs per se, nor do I have any problems with what information can be gathered from them, or that corps and alliances use them to gauge activity.

No, my main problem with KMs is actually about combat efficiency and tactical variation. Because you wont show up on a KM unless you commit a hostile act aganst a target, you exclude several legitimate combat functions that are vital for a healthy fleet - i.e. scouts, boosters, logistics etc. Some will "kill mail w hore", reducing their efficiency and attention to their primary function just to get on the mail. Many will simply refuse to fly ships that will get them a low number of killmails. And thus, many fleets are composed primarily of DPS ships, with too little logistics, too little tackle, too few scouts and no real attempt to coordinate and use EWAR. Such simplified fleets dont give potential FCs the real tactical challenges besides comparing numbers. And thus these fleets breeds a blob mindset in both FCs and fleet members. Of course this is a simplification, but I believe the potential of EVE tactics would be better utilized without the current KM system.

Tl;DR: Killmails dulls down EVE combat, and is in part responsible for numbers beeing utilized before tactics.

1. Combat log. Its mine. It is not effortless to kill you. I earned it, I deserve it. If I choose to share that intel with the internet for free that is my and the internets business.
2. Killboards. They were broken, IMHO, for listing POS modules and other inanimate objects. They fixed that, and now keep track of implants.
3. Forced PvP. If your corp forces you to do PvP that you don't want to do, you are a ******* leech. Don't join a PvP corp for the sake of being in a PvP corp, join one for shooting motherfuckers.
4. Intel. Between local and evewho as intel tools you can be an intel pro in any sector of space. Your only excuse is that you are lazy. There is no reason to want intel on YOUR enemy. If I am trying to kill you, you need intel on me. Those are the tools that help you get the killmail that have nothing to do with killmails, and they are lethal. Cry about them while you are trying to kill PvP moar.

My PVP alt is specialized in ewar and stealth, and therefore, would not show up on most killmails, anyway. Since the character acts as a scout, ewar, cyno, or other support role, I do not fly DPS fits with it. As a result of this, I do not show up on most killmails.

Life is not all about statistics.

Perhaps if you actually read my post (assuming you are even capable of reading), you would have seen that I already said I have done PVP.

I have been on low-sec roams, null-sec fleet fights, null-sec roams, dabbled in wormholes, etc. I have tried nearly every aspect of EVE, and have discovered that nearly every null-sec corp requires that you be on X number of killmails per month or get kicked out.

BTW, supporting the idea that you didn't actually read the OP, perhaps you could answer the question I posed in the second paragraph? If not, I will simply assume (probably correctly) that you are nothing more than the ignorant flaming forum troll that you appear to be.

Have fun, and fly safe.

If you want to get rid of Kill mails, you also remove the joy of looking at expensive and hard kills you made. If you want to promote PvP, then I would more prefer something like : do not generate kill mails if a player who gets killed, has x million skill points or less. This gives beginners the opportunity to fck up many times learning pvp without messing up there kill board for ever. Using an alt for this is an option, but a waste of time and isks.

I wouldn't mind seeing kill mails removed from the game in order to reduce ganking for the explicit purpose of mindless e-peenery. Pushing PvP in the direction of being driven by meaningful in-game objectives rather than free intel, lulz, and meta-game ego stroking would make the game seem more realistic to me; as an RPer, I think that's important.

On the other hand, I don't PvP nearly enough to care, and because I make most of my ISK without undocking, I don't have to worry about the gankfest.

if you don't appreciate PVP
DON'T ******* PLAY A MULTI-PLAYER PVP GAME!

No one would need to worry about being humiliated

While I can appreciate the real-world comparisons with regard to the human propensity for keeping score, the problem in EVE is that people PvP solely for kill mails rather than tangible, game-related objectives. No soldier in the real world goes to war expressly for the purpose of stroking his ego with a kill count.

No soldier in the real world goes to war expressly for the purpose of stroking his ego with a kill count.

Works as intended, petition closed.

No really, this is sadly the way CCP encourages the blood/tearshed. It's all about hurting players, taking what they own, feeling good about it and boast about it. So in terms of role playing games many players chose the tear harvester demon class.

It's established, removing it would make people emo quit rage, though I guess, those players deserve some crying themselves.

The butt-hurt in this forum is awesome!

Call me evil if you think so, but I just find that when people cry about their quarterback getting sacked I can't do anything but point and laugh.

Killmails are the biggest problem with EVE. If you're in corp A you must be on X number of killmails a month. We're fighting corp B, and we know they use Z fit, so you must fly ship B and use fit Y. Killmails ruin the PVP aspect of the game for many other people. Considering how many threads I have seen about removing killmails, I know that I am not alone in this regard.

What other game do you play that gives more than just the name of character you killed, or even just basic stats like how many people you killed? What game, when you kill another character, tells you (regardless of whether you loot them or not) EXACTLY what they had equipped, how much damage they dealt, what buffs were affecting them, and (the ultimate bullshit) what was in their inventory?

Removing killmails would actually promote PVP, as more people would be willing to go into a fight, even knowing they may lose. No one would need to worry about being humiliated for so-called "lolfits". No one could be excluded for not having enough kills. Killmails take a lot of the fun out of the game.

If you want to know what your target has fitted or in cargo, use ship and cargo scanners before you kill them. Killmails are also a big reason that people gank. I won't argue that people gank for fun or profit, but people that do it just to pad their kill/lose ratio are just pathetic. Ganking is not PVP. Ganking is the equivalent of beating up the elderly (namely, a victim that can't fight back). Removing killmails won't stop people from ganking, but it may alter the reasons that they gank.

Get rid of killmails, and bring make EVE more fun to play. Even though is my industry main, I do have PVP alts who have operated in low- and null-sec. Feel free to flame me for this, but it is my opinion, based in simple facts.

Fly safe.

Edit: I have no problem with tracking kill/lose ratios. The problem that I have is the level of effortless intel provided by killmails. If you want to know how my ship is fit, or what cargo I am hauling, fit a ship and cargo scanner. Oh wait, that would require that you actually fit something that isn't tank or gank, and apply some effort to gaining the intel you desire.

I think enough have posted about the OPGÇÖs post, not only is he wrong in my opinion but playing a game where the special features like KMGÇÖs makes the gameplay more than your average FPS shooty game is just one extra reason why EVE is EVE.

I recently played Battlefield 3 on PC, it was fun for a week or two, then it got nerffed by popular kiddy demand via the EA forums, so much was changed that the fun element was lost from the game, now every gun is like evey other, every sight is virtually the same as all the others with different graphicsGǪ. BF3 will die fast.

Eve is different, every ship can be configured in 100GÇÖs of 1000GÇÖs of ways, making every ships defensive & offensive setting totally different from most. The KM is not only a trophy but also a confirmation of the lost shipGÇÖs setup, confirming that it was not just luck or overwhelming SP that lead to itGÇÖs loss.

Off topic, IGÇÖm glad Eve is a subscription game, otherwise it might just fall to the 'nerf kiddies', calling for all strategic data & play to be removedGǪ..

Funny coming from a 'don't griefs me' carebear ****** last week.. sudden change of heart?

I guess it was a first class motivation to kick Iceman from the first place.

I wouldn't mind seeing kill mails removed from the game in order to reduce ganking for the explicit purpose of mindless e-peenery. Pushing PvP in the direction of being driven by meaningful in-game objectives rather than free intel, lulz, and meta-game ego stroking would make the game seem more realistic to me; as an RPer, I think that's important.

On the other hand, I don't PvP nearly enough to care, and because I make most of my ISK without undocking, I don't have to worry about the gankfest.

The Op's idea is about as dumb as putting tomato in a fruit salad or adding cream to a soda.

Killmails are the biggest problem with EVE. GIANT SNIP

The Op's idea is about as dumb as putting tomato in a fruit salad or adding cream to a soda.

They should change all the weapons systems so that the only fire cotton candy; that would fix pvp.

I think too many people would ragequit the game if their epeens are severed in such a fashion. Kill-mail could do with some nerfing, but there should be some basic form of recognition for battles. A simple Player X in ship A killed Player Y in ship B would do. Maybe throw in an ambiguous 'estimated' isk loss or something to keep slightly juicy.

Blindly slaying another player and having some omnipotent cosmic entity from the interwebs regurgitate exact fittings, etc, is a outright nonsensical if you ask me.

If nothing else, aggregate corp and alliance killmails to see how much isk they spend to score their kills. That will tell you how 'hard' a pvp corp is, or how 'hard' an alliance is.

Killmailers are just carebears hiding behind numbers. 800 million isk in hardware to score a 40mil kill? weaksauce.

PvP a gang that can take out a Vaga with a 'rax and a hawk, an aggregate ratio like that makes the REAL pvp'ers shine.

Killmails need more iteration. More information like location in space, who was remote assisting, etc. Not a nerf! Removing or reducing the amount of information will not change a thing as far as players running from fights or blobbing. Your entire issue is the corporation/alliance you are a part of. So instead of crying about kill mails on the forums, perhaps you need to find a new corporation/alliance.

Perhaps the biggest issue is you don't want to fight for anything and would be better off playing Candy Land where everyone is a winner.

Not sure if dumb troll or ******...