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My Cat Meows Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2017.02.23 19:53:40 - [151] - Quote Suitonia wrote: Timm3h wrote: tips orthrus M' gameplay Unironically HIC scrams just made Orthrus' much more prolific, because it's one of the few kiting ships that can project outside HIC Scram range while also tackling ships outside HIC scram range. What HICs killed was solo brawling with MJDs entirely, cheap, affordable or accessible kiting ships (RIP anyone trying to just take out a nano thorax, cane or stabber etc.). Flying 100mn stuff + needing a Keres to even undock if you want to do non Orthrus stuff is getting boring. i have to bump this, the hic change leaves us with a way greater variety.
Ugly Eric Fistful of Finns WE FORM V0LTA 127	Posted - 2017.02.23 19:53:50 - [152] - Quote Trajan Unknown wrote: This is the first post I read that has some substance in it. :) The can-¦t tackle thing is correct for sure. But that refers to solo/small gang again right? I mean, a RMLM Onyx is nasty to tackle in an Inty or alike I imagine. But for fleet fights rapids make no sense. My fleet HIC barely has anything on it you could label as a direct damage dealing weapon system. Anyway, there is no need to tackle a HIC with a frigate/inty is there? Regarding your utility vs mid-slot thingy. I agree, you can fit a couple WDFGs on a HIC and it-¦s usually best to get as many as you can on them - regarding fleet HICs. So yeh, mid-¦s for tank or whatever floats your boat. But and that-¦s something I value more than having utility highs or be able to fit multiple WDFGs in my highs. You get bonused ewar on the recons ships. So for small gang stuff you get more ewar per hull and damp+scram is a nice addition. Same for paint+web even when it-¦s usually more efficient to get more webs instead of point+web but well, more bang per hull in my book. Last but not least the more versatile/complex thing. Do you really think that way? I mean, flying a HIC is not that hard now and won-¦t be hard if the nerf goes through. At least not from a perspective of actually deciding what to do and where to be. Changing scripts depending on situation is a no brainer and using a bubble will either kill you like it is now or you actually control the grid and the bubble is called for - again a no brainer. After all the HIC is no dictor which actually needs some finesse to be flown. HIC is something you can dual or even tripple box and the nerf would not change that at all. It will stay the same easy to use hull as it was before just with some un needed nerfs to it. I forgot to mention, that in small scale yes. As things are now, a devoter or a onyx role in small scale is BOTH antitackle and heavy tackle. Same role, as so many other kitey ships fall into. However as is now, it really is OP in this role, due to incredibly strong scram bonus. Flying anything in fleet scale is not that hard is it? Orbit anchor / keep at range to anchor / align to ** -> lock broadcast --> f1. Take a ship, any ship, and remove the fleet or most of the fleet from around you, and it immediatelly gets more variable, difficult and in my oppinion interesting. Failing to f1 and correct time in a bigger fleet means you miss a killmail, failing to f1 at correct time in solo/micro/small size can easily mean you die to that. The more buttons your ship has, the more possible mistakes is to be made. The more variations each button has, it increases the variations a lot more. I do agree your view of hic flying in a bigger fleet. It is just as no brainer, as most of the other roles in any bigger fleet.
Trajan Unknown SniggWaffe WAFFLES. 121	Posted - 2017.02.23 19:54:54 - [153] - Quote Captain jdd wrote: Should I really explain ? Lel. Well, if you think carriers are "broken" or need a fix you might explain your pov? Maybe you see something different from the majority? Some people might say Nid/Thanny are absurdly good when it comes to ratting. Others might feel the Thanny is too strong when it comes to pvp while the Chimera and the Archon are, do they exist anymore? So yeah, maybe explain your statement. There are many things that pop into my mind when it comes to carriers and I-¦d like to see some downgrading on certain things to avoid carriers online in EvE but maybe you have some different thoughts? Currently, from what I can see, carriers shred everything from frigates to battleships other caps. So yeah, it looks a bit crazy when coupled with FAX-¦s but maybe it-¦s just me. And maybe this is for another topic? :)
clipper shore Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 6	Posted - 2017.02.23 20:04:08 - [154] - Quote ok so lets look over the fourms at all the complaints about hic's been op the very specilised heavy skilled cruiser that is very specilised in what it does fourms scaned results no complaints so i ask what dumb ass csm member asked for this change and is the a reasonable reson for it the hic's are very specilised skill intensive ship that nobody ive ever heard complain about being op so larken can you plz tell me where you are getting your information from that the hic need to be nerfed to almost useless hic's cannot move v.fast when it has a bubble up and cannot be repped when using a focused point it is used moslty to catch supers and titians and as an annti boosher on fleets but its not the best ship for this there are many other ships in the game that are better for catching the nano faggots pvper already this change is unnesserary and pointless and will make 1 of the fundamentals this that makes the hic unique in the game it does what it was intended to do so my point is are you ***** ****** larken
exiik Shardani Imperial Spacedrill and Logistics 98	Posted - 2017.02.23 20:10:59 - [155] - Quote Ugly Eric wrote: one thing ppl seem to have missed completely is the usage of hics as a antitackle platform. Especially the onyx and the devoter. Those two ships have been practically untackleable with frigs heretills. When the devoter with pulses or a onyx with rapid lights gets tackled by a frig, the frig has not had the slightest chanche of survival, unless bunch of logi keeping them alive. Another point that has been almost completely dismissed here is the fact, that HIC's dont need to sacrifice anything else for the 40km scram, as it is a highslot module, whitch they all have a utility high for. Arazus, huginns etc. other controlplatforms all haveto sacrifice midslots for tackle. That has and will be a HUGE advantage for hics, even without 40km, but 21km scram. And pls stop saying RIP HIC's, as this change in my mind still keeps them as very valid ship, but not having a completely unfair advantage to them. 21km scram is still very powerfull tool. Not to forget their 40km disruptor. ! well did you realize that HIC cannot get remote reps but frig in your example can? as well 2 times cheaper arazu can be remote rep... who care about 37km disruptor when any HIC is slow as fu... well as destroyer and everybody with little brain, mwd and small capacitor can manage easily escape... if you need nerf HIC, it is still better to let them have scram like 28km when faction 37km is so huge problem... btw. did you try fit devoter as solo combat ship? I think not... try fit it with heavy pulses and then speak about tank... sry for my English :-(
Sp3ctr380 Seventeenth Battalion Honorable Third Party 0	Posted - 2017.02.23 20:10:59 - [156] - Quote clipper shore wrote: so i ask what dumb ass csm member asked for this change... Sounds like Hyde cried about it.
Mira Chieve Know your Role League of Unaligned Master Pilots 26	Posted - 2017.02.23 20:15:34 - [157] - Quote exiik Shardani wrote: Ugly Eric wrote: one thing ppl seem to have missed completely is the usage of hics as a antitackle platform. Especially the onyx and the devoter. Those two ships have been practically untackleable with frigs heretills. When the devoter with pulses or a onyx with rapid lights gets tackled by a frig, the frig has not had the slightest chanche of survival, unless bunch of logi keeping them alive. Another point that has been almost completely dismissed here is the fact, that HIC's dont need to sacrifice anything else for the 40km scram, as it is a highslot module, whitch they all have a utility high for. Arazus, huginns etc. other controlplatforms all haveto sacrifice midslots for tackle. That has and will be a HUGE advantage for hics, even without 40km, but 21km scram. And pls stop saying RIP HIC's, as this change in my mind still keeps them as very valid ship, but not having a completely unfair advantage to them. 21km scram is still very powerfull tool. Not to forget their 40km disruptor. ! well did you realize that HIC cannot get remote reps but frig in your example can? as well 2 times cheaper arazu can be remote rep... who care about 37km disruptor when any HIC is slow as fu... well as destroyer and everybody with little brain, mwd and small capacitor can manage easily escape... if you need nerf HIC, it is still better to let them have scram like 28km when faction 37km is so huge problem... btw. did you try fit devoter as solo combat ship? I think not... try fit it with heavy pulses and then speak about tank... Solo Beam Devoter is pretty strong. 40km scram and 500 dps at that range? Try tackling it with anything smaller than a HIC But you have no clue.
Suitonia KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 766	Posted - 2017.02.23 20:16:32 - [158] - Quote Sp3ctr380 wrote: clipper shore wrote: so i ask what dumb ass csm member asked for this change... Sounds like Hyde cried about it. Pretty much the entire solo and small gang community agrees with him. Renters and people who can't PVP without a cyno hate him. Contributer to Eve is Easy: https://www.youtube.com/user/eveiseasy/videos Solo PvP is possible with a 20 day old character! :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvOB4KXYk-o
ArmyOfMe Hull Breach. Reverberation Project 624	Posted - 2017.02.23 20:19:38 - [159] - Quote So bloody confused as to what i think about this idea. Its not like those hic points stop most nano gangs anymore since 100mn fits is the new meta, but still. However with its current implementation i will agree focused hic points is overpowered due to range, but i fear this is a bit to much when it comes to nerf. Why not let it warp scram out to 24km which is what t2 disruptors do now (or at least let it go out to 28km with heat if 24km isnt the standard)? If you wanna know why i would like more then 20km range, you would only have to look at some of the gates in minmatar space to see how bloody far away ppl uncloak. GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.
Ted McManfist GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 134	Posted - 2017.02.23 20:20:02 - [160] - Quote CraftyCroc wrote: I'll take a fight if i have a 5% chance of winning. I'm not fussed about losing a ship nor am i fussed about efficiency. I prefer piloting my own ship then flying in the blob. A 30KM scram gives me no options to nano. 0% chance of winning. Oh no, your ship has a counter! Whatever will you do?! Oh, whine and cry until that counter is nerfed. OP SUCCESS!

Ted McManfist GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 134	Posted - 2017.02.23 20:21:24 - [161] - Quote Mizhir wrote: Says the guy from the alliance known for bringing superior numbers to everything. And your point is? Sorry I can make friends and enjoy playing the game with them. If you don't want blobbed, stay away. vOv
Suitonia KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 766	Posted - 2017.02.23 20:23:04 - [162] - Quote ArmyOfMe wrote: So bloody confused as to what i think about this idea. Its not like those hic points stop most nano gangs anymore since 100mn fits is the new meta, but still. . Guess why it's a 100mn meta Because of HICs dawg Contributer to Eve is Easy: https://www.youtube.com/user/eveiseasy/videos Solo PvP is possible with a 20 day old character! :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvOB4KXYk-o
Ted McManfist GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 134	Posted - 2017.02.23 20:23:35 - [163] - Quote Mira Chieve wrote: 94 percent gangs. Ok you know what you are on about. I think you should go back to your Sanctum, the next wave seems to have spawned. Didn't this used to be your space? Too soon? Don't hate me because I'm not a friendless loser. If you can't handle the blob, stay away.
Mira Chieve Know your Role League of Unaligned Master Pilots 26	Posted - 2017.02.23 20:34:31 - [164] - Quote Ted McManfist wrote: Mira Chieve wrote: 94 percent gangs. Ok you know what you are on about. I think you should go back to your Sanctum, the next wave seems to have spawned. Didn't this used to be your space? Too soon? Don't hate me because I'm not a friendless loser. If you can't handle the blob, stay away. Whatever you say sheep #2789.
Ted McManfist GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 134	Posted - 2017.02.23 20:43:40 - [165] - Quote Mira Chieve wrote: Ted McManfist wrote: Mira Chieve wrote: 94 percent gangs. Ok you know what you are on about. I think you should go back to your Sanctum, the next wave seems to have spawned. Didn't this used to be your space? Too soon? Don't hate me because I'm not a friendless loser. If you can't handle the blob, stay away. Whatever you say sheep #2789. I'm sorry I don't play the game according to your solo samurai style. You want 1v1? go nuts! My play style isn't any less valid because you don't care for it. You and your ilk are booty-blasted because you ONLY want to fight with a zero percent chance of losing. The long HIC scrambler gave people like me a non-zero chance to stop people like you, and you can't have that. Your narrative is safe again.
Ugly Eric Fistful of Finns WE FORM V0LTA 129	Posted - 2017.02.23 20:54:31 - [166] - Quote exiik Shardani wrote: Ugly Eric wrote: one thing ppl seem to have missed completely is the usage of hics as a antitackle platform. Especially the onyx and the devoter. Those two ships have been practically untackleable with frigs heretills. When the devoter with pulses or a onyx with rapid lights gets tackled by a frig, the frig has not had the slightest chanche of survival, unless bunch of logi keeping them alive. Another point that has been almost completely dismissed here is the fact, that HIC's dont need to sacrifice anything else for the 40km scram, as it is a highslot module, whitch they all have a utility high for. Arazus, huginns etc. other controlplatforms all haveto sacrifice midslots for tackle. That has and will be a HUGE advantage for hics, even without 40km, but 21km scram. And pls stop saying RIP HIC's, as this change in my mind still keeps them as very valid ship, but not having a completely unfair advantage to them. 21km scram is still very powerfull tool. Not to forget their 40km disruptor. ! well did you realize that HIC cannot get remote reps but frig in your example can? as well 2 times cheaper arazu can be remote rep... who care about 37km disruptor when any HIC is slow as fu... well as destroyer and everybody with little brain, mwd and small capacitor can manage easily escape... if you need nerf HIC, it is still better to let them have scram like 28km when faction 37km is so huge problem... btw. did you try fit devoter as solo combat ship? I think not... try fit it with heavy pulses and then speak about tank... Well, actually yes. Quite a few times. Either by myself or by a corpie on a roam. Between us we have around 100 killmarks with the thing. Quote: [Devoter, Devoter **** tissue] Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Medium Capacitor Booster II Stasis Webifier II 50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive Heavy Pulse Laser II Heavy Pulse Laser II Heavy Pulse Laser II Heavy Pulse Laser II Heavy Pulse Laser II True Sansha Warp Disruption Field Generator Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II Medium Energy Metastasis Adjuster II Warrior II x5 Acolyte II x5 Navy Cap Booster 400 x32 Focused Warp Disruption Script x1 Conflagration M x5 Scorch M x10 Imperial Navy Xray M x5 Imperial Navy Infrared M x5 Nanite Repair Paste x238 1741 m/s cold 2453 hot 304 dps with scorch to 39.7 + 6.25 km. cold. 262 hp/s tank cold 339.1 hp/s tank hot. Replace with AAR to get more peak tank. Similar fit is possible to onyx with even better weapon DPS and aplication. Devoter has flight of small drones to top the 304 dps it pumps with pulses.
Suitonia KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 769	Posted - 2017.02.23 20:56:11 - [167] - Quote Ted McManfist wrote: You and your ilk are booty-blasted because you ONLY want to fight with a zero percent chance of losing. The long HIC scrambler gave people like me a non-zero chance to stop people like you, and you can't have that. Your narrative is safe again. Speaking of risk, You could also use a Lachesis, but then that has 1/3rd of the EHP so you might actually lose it to a gang if you're out of position. HICs having the EHP that they do, with the scram range was oppressive and the answer to 80% of ships in the metagame. Pretty much everyone in the small gang community already adjusted to flying 100mn AB stuff or Orthrus (Which your HIC is useless against). This whole risk vs reward argument is entirely ********. Of course people want to win, and they don't want to lose their ship. For us goons, that means we're going to bring friends, for smaller sides, they're going to use ships that don't have to commit because in brawling you're always going to lose if you're outnumbered, there is significantly less outplay potential vs kiting gangs where a smaller but more skilled kiting gang can win against more unorganised kiters. The problem with HICs was they were the answer to almost everything cruiser sized or bigger, forced the meta to change to 100mn by themselves, don't have much counterplay and combined the roles of multiple specialised ships into 1 150k EHP package. They killed 80% of the roaming meta, forcing people into Orthrus, Keres Damps or 100mn AB. Unironically the only kiting ship that I think is absurd and needs nerfing (The Orthrus) is the one ship that didn't get hurt as much as almost everything else, including brawling ships like BCs and BS with MJDs that relied on them to escape from small frigate tacklers that didn't commit to scram range. The HICs hurt the brawling meta almost as much, if not more than the kiting metagame. I for one am glad to see 5x more options by removing HICs. Contributer to Eve is Easy: https://www.youtube.com/user/eveiseasy/videos Solo PvP is possible with a 20 day old character! :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvOB4KXYk-o
Matou83 Core Industry. Blades of Grass 1	Posted - 2017.02.23 21:02:24 - [168] - Quote s+¬rieusement plus sa va plus vous +¬tes abrutie, en gros en solo maitenant le hid tu le trash it et puis voil+á.... super bande de cr+¬tin et on le recolle comment l'adversaire ....... IMBECILITE INCOMMENSURABLE, FULL ******** CCP!!!!! go nerf titan et ms no????
exiik Shardani Imperial Spacedrill and Logistics 98	Posted - 2017.02.23 21:09:23 - [169] - Quote Mira Chieve wrote: Solo Beam Devoter is pretty strong. 40km scram and 500 dps at that range? Try tackling it with anything smaller than a HIC. AAR is plenty of tank, how much damage are you going to project and apply at 40km? But you have no clue. Calling HICs slow as fu. what about anything with neuts? or anything with AB? double prop 200ac svipul will troll you hard... or every frig can orbit you at 500 and you hit nothing... sry for my English :-(
Mizhir TURN LEFT 74892	Posted - 2017.02.23 21:11:33 - [170] - Quote Ted McManfist wrote: Mizhir wrote: Says the guy from the alliance known for bringing superior numbers to everything. And your point is? Sorry I can make friends and enjoy playing the game with them. If you don't want blobbed, stay away. vOv If you don't want to getkited, stay away. The logic goes both ways. You blob in order to lower the risk of losing your ships. I kite instead. One Man Crew - Collective Solo PVP - Video is out!

Ugly Eric Fistful of Finns WE FORM V0LTA 129	Posted - 2017.02.23 21:14:29 - [171] - Quote exiik Shardani wrote: Mira Chieve wrote: Solo Beam Devoter is pretty strong. 40km scram and 500 dps at that range? Try tackling it with anything smaller than a HIC. AAR is plenty of tank, how much damage are you going to project and apply at 40km? But you have no clue. Calling HICs slow as fu. what about anything with neuts? or anything with AB? double prop 200ac svipul will troll you hard... or every frig can orbit you at 500 and you hit nothing... Wrong, look at the fit I posted above. Anyway, fact is that no ship should be uncounterable. Every ship, every module, every tactic should have a counter to it. Otherwise it will not be rock/paper/scissors
Suitonia KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 772	Posted - 2017.02.23 21:19:14 - [172] - Quote exiik Shardani wrote: Mira Chieve wrote: Solo Beam Devoter is pretty strong. 40km scram and 500 dps at that range? Try tackling it with anything smaller than a HIC. AAR is plenty of tank, how much damage are you going to project and apply at 40km? But you have no clue. Calling HICs slow as fu. what about anything with neuts? or anything with AB? double prop 200ac svipul will troll you hard... or every frig can orbit you at 500 and you hit nothing... It has 25m3 of drones so it can force off a frigate pretty easily. Also, a dual prop svipul and most frigate is slower than devoter with AB on if it doesn't have you scrammed, so you need to get caught by it, or it needs to land on you at 0km (Both of which are you getting outplayed/******* up). If you ram Devoter in a Svipul, you will get scrammed at 20km~. and he will MWD away while you AB at him slower and you'll die. Contributer to Eve is Easy: https://www.youtube.com/user/eveiseasy/videos Solo PvP is possible with a 20 day old character! :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvOB4KXYk-o
exiik Shardani Imperial Spacedrill and Logistics 98	Posted - 2017.02.23 21:23:19 - [173] - Quote Ugly Eric wrote: Wrong, look at the fit I posted above. Anyway, fact is that no ship should be uncounterable. Every ship, every module, every tactic should have a counter to it. Otherwise it will not be rock/paper/scissors pulse devoter is fine with web it can track, but beam cannot track at close range most of small things even with web. tbh is not better or more effective use deimos, vigiliant or orthrus? I think you do not undock anymore with that pulse devoter sry for my English :-(
Suitonia KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 773	Posted - 2017.02.23 21:29:23 - [174] - Quote exiik Shardani wrote: Ugly Eric wrote: Wrong, look at the fit I posted above. Anyway, fact is that no ship should be uncounterable. Every ship, every module, every tactic should have a counter to it. Otherwise it will not be rock/paper/scissors pulse devoter is fine with web it can track, but beam cannot track at close range most of small things even with web. tbh is not better or more effective use deimos, vigiliant or orthrus? I think you do not undock anymore with that pulse devoter Vigilant is much more vulnerable, only has 19km/20km web with no links and less tank. Deimos needs to ram, it dies to a blob. Orthrus is still pretty good, but it's also not as oppressive against cruiser+ like HIC was. Contributer to Eve is Easy: https://www.youtube.com/user/eveiseasy/videos Solo PvP is possible with a 20 day old character! :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvOB4KXYk-o
Mira Chieve Know your Role League of Unaligned Master Pilots 29	Posted - 2017.02.23 21:34:02 - [175] - Quote exiik Shardani wrote: Mira Chieve wrote: Solo Beam Devoter is pretty strong. 40km scram and 500 dps at that range? Try tackling it with anything smaller than a HIC. AAR is plenty of tank, how much damage are you going to project and apply at 40km? But you have no clue. Calling HICs slow as fu. what about anything with neuts? or anything with AB? double prop 200ac svipul will troll you hard... or every frig can orbit you at 500 and you hit nothing... Wait how are you going to get into scram range when I scram you at 40km? Even with a 20km scram you will not glide into scram range. A 1mn Svipul is still way too slow. Of course if the nerf happens then you should replace beams with pulses and the Devoter will not be such a strong solo ship anymore. But with a 40km scram? Ridiculous....
Ugly Eric Fistful of Finns WE FORM V0LTA 129	Posted - 2017.02.23 21:35:48 - [176] - Quote exiik Shardani wrote: Ugly Eric wrote: Wrong, look at the fit I posted above. Anyway, fact is that no ship should be uncounterable. Every ship, every module, every tactic should have a counter to it. Otherwise it will not be rock/paper/scissors pulse devoter is fine with web it can track, but beam cannot track at close range most of small things even with web. tbh is not better or more effective use deimos, vigiliant or orthrus? I think you do not undock anymore with that pulse devoter I think I keep flying my devoter. Now I just need to use regular focus point script for offencive work and focused scram script for defencive work and I need to be able to recognize the possible change of the situation in good time beforehand beacause cycletime. I still do think this change is very good. Ofcourse everyone wants a ship that's indestructible, 7000m/s without heat, implants or links, 5000dps to gridwide range, but that would break the game. Devoter / onyx was not that good, but they were pretty damned good. They still do have 21km scram, whitch is more than most other ships. They still do have that scram / 40km disruptor in a HIGHSLOT, they still have huge tank if fitted to it. Only problem I have is the broadsword and phobos. Mainly the broadsword is pretty useless at the moment. It could use a lilbit more range to autos and a dronebay, and it would be on par with the others.
Kruull Death Supreme Headquarters Alien Defence Organisation 5	Posted - 2017.02.23 21:39:18 - [177] - Quote RIP HIC. time to extract HIC skills.
Messoroz aquila inc Verge of Collapse 519	Posted - 2017.02.23 21:39:42 - [178] - Quote Suitonia wrote: Timm3h wrote: tips orthrus M' gameplay Unironically HIC scrams just made Orthrus' much more prolific, because it's one of the few kiting ships that can project outside HIC Scram range while also tackling ships outside HIC scram range. What HICs killed was solo brawling with MJDs entirely, cheap, affordable or accessible kiting ships (RIP anyone trying to just take out a nano thorax, cane or stabber etc.). Flying 100mn stuff + needing a Keres to even undock if you want to do non Orthrus stuff is getting boring. Orthruses however don't have brick tanks and tiny sigs like HICs which makes kiting vs kiting possible.
Meiqur Orez Trillium Invariant Honorable Third Party 6	Posted - 2017.02.23 21:42:50 - [179] - Quote Suitonia wrote: Sp3ctr380 wrote: clipper shore wrote: so i ask what dumb ass csm member asked for this change... Sounds like Hyde cried about it. Pretty much the entire solo and small gang community agrees with him. Renters and people who can't PVP without a cyno hate him. No they don't.
exiik Shardani Imperial Spacedrill and Logistics 102	Posted - 2017.02.23 21:48:37 - [180] - Quote Mira Chieve wrote: Wait how are you going to get into scram range when I scram you at 40km? Even with a 20km scram you will not glide into scram range. A 1mn Svipul is still way too slow. Of course if the nerf happens then you should replace beams with pulses and the Devoter will not be such a strong solo ship anymore. But with a 40km scram? Ridiculous.... where usual HIC tackle you? after gate jump so where is HIC? near gate. so what do you solve that? you burn to gate (12km) and check if HIC is in scram range, if not just easily jump back... 39km warp disruptor is useless when most of others cruisers r faster. any solid kite ship can now easily tackle you even these null 4k+ m/s interceptor plague and you do nothing. HIC was only one ship which these tacklers try hold with high risk. after that change I get more fun with any command ship for same price and with better chance to survive sry for my English :-(



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