I have a pretty high opinion about you guys and your experience when it comes for small warfare stuff

You can screen your fleet yes, against one ship or how many HICs do you guys bring? Maybe two if you fit 2 focus points. For the sake of it, you can even fit more but from the fits posted it-¦s pretty much just one point. So yeah, you can screen against on single ship. What-¦s the benefit of that please? You can simply shoot stuff to bits when they come close, guessing you engage standing fleets 7/10 times.

and since you won-¦t engage s similar skilled/equipped gang outside of arranged fights/tournaments there is no problem*

first thing first i don't speak speak as a We Form V0LTA member, just as a roamer (i'm not even in Thera ))) )

look at the kill boards moron larken how many hic' kills are there on nano ship not many

now compare how mant kills small gang nano roamers get ...millions

So what you are saying is that the 1 ship that can counter small gang and solo nano roamers is to be nerfed so the small gang nano solo pvper dont have a hard counter

1 guy with a self serving agenda that doesn't like 1 sip

This was a valid change 2 years ago but not in the current meta

Ok. Nomen and Tengu are cancer now.
New.

I don't really understand why you need a 40km scram. Bring Keres and Orthrus too.
Finally it's more a nerf for the kiters who use HIC, cause they know how to play those ships more than blobers or whatever.

When your best answer is bring the very ships that are the problem, then you need to reevaluate your argument.

So keep calling it bullshit, it won't make it less true.



Roamers are undocking with oracles / BNIs / HFIs / Faction battleships / Command ships everydays and you believe we can't make up a nano HIC fit ? Do you play this game ?



What ? Have you ever kited ? Screening everything mwd fitted in a 39,4km radius around your fleet is Golden.

^^ This.

I have a nano shield phobos with 600dps rails in a station somewhere. I don't fly it because the orthrus is better for the job of pointing things. Having that sig bloom from MWD is pretty important for missile application and turret tracking.

So you are admitting that the Keres and Orthrus are overpowered? Thanks. When your best answer is bring the very ships that are the problem, then you need to reevaluate your argument.

For the record, I like the Keres. It is a great ship. The Orthrus is also a fine ship. I just like to see more viable counters. I think all warp disruptor and warp scrambler ranges need to be increased.

So, I think the underlying assumption here may be faulty, which is that the idea behind this change is to nerf anything other than the HIC. I think CCP are changing this simply because HICs as a class are basically totally eclipsing dedicated EWar platforms. Hence leaving the HIC with a Scram option, rather than simply reverting the old change, but shrinking the range in under that of a scram-range bonused ship.

In short, this doesn't feel like the nano-gang nerf people seem to be thinking of it as, so saying "but these ships are the problem!" is assuming CCP sees this as a problem in the first place, or at least is trying to change that at all with this change.

It's not a nano-gang nerf. It's a nano-gang buff. They are removing one of the few viable counters to nano-gangs. If the Lach could scram out to that range it would be one thing. But it can't. They are removing the only ship that can do that on it's own. Lach can get, at max, 35.5k with heat and links. (That's top faction scram) The HIC can get 39.5k scram without needing the help of a command ship. So, they are not just removing the only counter to nano that goes to that range but they Lach Arazu won't even fill the gap as they CAN'T scram to that range. Making nano that much more invulnerable to any other fleet but nano.

The idea that 5km is suddenly making countering these gangs completely non-viable is a bit silly. 35km is still well out of range of any Medium short-range gun platform, and if you can get someone to within 40km you can, almost certainly, get them within 34km.

I beg to differ. Pulse lasers can easily go to 35km. A Harbinger with Heavy Pulses and one tracking computer has an optimal of 31.7km and falloff of 42km with Scorch, and a Legion can easily surpass that without any tracking computers. A fairly standard Omen Navy Issue fit with locus coordinators has 46km optimal with Scorch.

the ships that use these are also slower....

That's kind of a moot point though since we've already established that HICs are also slower than the kitey ships they're used against

hate kiting, but I also have a 100MN Legion that can go 2300m/s cold or 3400m/s heated and can heat for quite a long time

No you don't.

Stupid Question maybe? - Tried to see if someone asked this or not in this threadnaught.

Does the Script still "perma-scram/disrupt" (as in break warp-stab/interdiction nullifiers) ? Like in high sec for example.

In other words....as its a "focused" script....you lock a ship..and it don't matter if it can nullify or warp stab you back....your scrammed.

Still getting a handle on mechanics.

Thx

o7

From what I've understood, the 40km script will still have an infinite point strenght but won't cut off mwds