Originally by: DiuxDium

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Did you fit an RCU on your taranis?

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Originally by: Kaar

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uurrrr yeah.

You do know you are a member of Goonswarm, right?

You forfeit the right to lay the moan/smack onto loggers and cloakers the moment you join Goon.

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Originally by: Ductoris

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At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Wait, wait.

A GOON WHINING ABOUT LOGGERS?

I'm seeing a swarm of cooking utensils yelling about something being black...

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Originally by: CCP Arkanon

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We're a company of professionals, not some LAN party gone bad.

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Originally by: Kaar

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uurrrr yeah.

You do know you are a member of Goonswarm, right?

You forfeit the right to lay the moan/smack onto loggers and cloakers the moment you join Goon.

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Originally by: caldari leeter

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I thought goons were banned from posting on caod by RA... er i mean goon leadership??

why do you post? you think your better than the other goonies or something?

also, I wonder how the goonies feel about you posting and being allowed to while they are not.

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Originally by: caldari leeter

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I thought goons were banned from posting on caod by RA... er i mean goon leadership??

why do you post? you think your better than the other goonies or something?

also, I wonder how the goonies feel about you posting and being allowed to while they are not.

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Originally by: Octin

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The difference between Xelas and Goonswarm is some xelas players forum warrior all day and chestbeat. So for them logging off is pretty ironic. Please point me to the post where Goons state they don't log off ever, oh wait. Yeah learn the definition of hypocrisy please.

Logging is part of the game mechanics, you just got to have them tackled and aggro'd before they warp off.

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Originally by: Kaar

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uurrrr yeah.

You do know you are a member of Goonswarm, right?

You forfeit the right to lay the moan/smack onto loggers and cloakers the moment you join Goon.

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Originally by: Malcore Trisus

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Originally by: Kaar

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uurrrr yeah.

You do know you are a member of Goonswarm, right?

You forfeit the right to lay the moan/smack onto loggers and cloakers the moment you join Goon.

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BOS is really not the same as goonswarm.

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Originally by: Hyllekjeks

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You really dont understand this do you? Doesnt mather if they got agression or anything, they just log on different char and their ship disappear. Thats thea annoying part.

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Originally by: Octin

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The difference between Xelas and Goonswarm is some xelas players forum warrior all day and chestbeat. So for them logging off is pretty ironic. Please point me to the post where Goons state they don't log off ever, oh wait. Yeah learn the definition of hypocrisy please.

Logging is part of the game mechanics, you just got to have them tackled and aggro'd before they warp off.

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Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: Hyllekjeks

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You really dont understand this do you? Doesnt mather if they got agression or anything, they just log on different char and their ship disappear. Thats thea annoying part.

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Would people stop saying that, please? That hasn't been true for about a YEAR now, and people are still saying it.

Test it if you don't believe me.

--P

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Originally by: Altar Mei

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I'm suprised at the short term memory some of you have, I'm sure the former members of atuk don't. Xelas pathetic as always.... not even worthy of the title Xetic.

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Originally by: Hyllekjeks

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Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: Hyllekjeks

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You really dont understand this do you? Doesnt mather if they got agression or anything, they just log on different char and their ship disappear. Thats thea annoying part.

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Would people stop saying that, please? That hasn't been true for about a YEAR now, and people are still saying it.

Test it if you don't believe me.

--P

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Ive seen it multiple times, ships getting agressed, jump the gate with bubble on the other side active. They log, we shoot for 10 seconds their ship magicaly disappears. Now either it works or someone in eve know magic. Feel free to explain how its done, I'm interested to hear

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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The majority of GoonFLEET members are banned from posting on eve-o. There are a few exceptions. This is a self-imposed rule, IE they weren't told to do it. And its primarily because of Butter Dog. One single character single handedly managed to ruin ISS' reputation forever. They didn't want that to happen with goons.


What this thread amounts to, can be summed up in a little flow chart:

Xelas dude logged
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Am I anti bob? ------Yes------- "OMG hax"
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No
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"Your a goon, logger"

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Originally by: Hyllekjeks

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Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: Hyllekjeks

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You really dont understand this do you? Doesnt mather if they got agression or anything, they just log on different char and their ship disappear. Thats thea annoying part.

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Would people stop saying that, please? That hasn't been true for about a YEAR now, and people are still saying it.

Test it if you don't believe me.

--P

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Ive seen it multiple times, ships getting agressed, jump the gate with bubble on the other side active. They log, we shoot for 10 seconds their ship magicaly disappears. Now either it works or someone in eve know magic. Feel free to explain how its done, I'm interested to hear

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Originally by: Farscape Hw

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...

so at this point i remember that i have a print screen button

What a logger looks like
...

give us a free drake

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Originally by: Aquemini Amarr

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I've never fought goons, but there is a reason i put a scan probe launcher on any ship i fly when i'm looking for some xelas.

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Originally by: deathforge

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Originally by: Aquemini Amarr

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I've never fought goons, but there is a reason i put a scan probe launcher on any ship i fly when i'm looking for some xelas.

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Is it because you're a masochistic loony and like spending 5 minutes to probe someone out?

Upgrade to a recon launcher, man

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Originally by: Kaar

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uurrrr yeah.

You do know you are a member of Goonswarm, right?

You forfeit the right to lay the moan/smack onto loggers and cloakers the moment you join Goon.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Wait, wait.

A GOON WHINING ABOUT LOGGERS?

I'm seeing a swarm of cooking utensils yelling about something being black...

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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You are in CoW... that goes double for you. Tell Red Guard his Pod is hanging on our bar mantle with the rest of the ctrl-q'ers.

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Originally by: Neveren

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My poor drake \=(

Unfortunatly A full snake set is more important then a ship

So instead of hoping to get out.. I eject when i know the ship is going down early and always get the pod out...


/mourn drake

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Originally by: Beyond Horizon

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If you recruit such people it just shows the level of your alliance, my point exactly.

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Originally by: Dominixa

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Originally by: Beyond Horizon

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If you recruit such people it just shows the level of your alliance, my point exactly.

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Is this before or after probing out your pod after ganking your blasterthron gang in fountain. Pot meet Kettle.

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Originally by: Esau Cairn

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I can't speak to what happened in the original post, but I would like to say that, in general, if you find a lone Raven (occasionally a Tempest) ratting in a belt in Fountain, it's a high probability it's an ISK farmer. We seem to be having an infestation of them. I think it's some of the old high-sec macro-ice-miners retraining for a new job.

If you can find a 0.0 system that's empty for 20-23 hours a day, you can make quite a bit of money ratting. Depending on the number of belts, 10-20 mil is not unreasonable. That's beside the shadow and occasional officer spawns. So I see the attraction.

We've been killing them pretty steadily, but they've adapted their tactics pretty well. They always have a cloak on and they're apparently always aligned for warping out. At first, we could catch them and then probe them if they logged. Now, they warp away and cloak and sit until all aggro timers wear off. It's becoming very difficult to catch them.

Please, Mr. Farscape, anything you can do to weed out these lamers would be appreciated. And yes, some of these farmers are in Xelas corps. There seems to be some internal effort to rehabilitate some of them and a few have actually tried some PvPing, if the killboards are to be believed. This may be an evolution of tactics, as they try to find the right balance between being active in alliance ops and earning money for their paychecks.

As for me, I must be somewhat mentally deficient, as it just never occurs to me to log when I'm in a fight. I'm always busy trying to kill the other guy or escape if it's going badly. I'll have to work on that.

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Originally by: Hyllekjeks

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Ive seen it multiple times, ships getting agressed, jump the gate with bubble on the other side active. They log, we shoot for 10 seconds their ship magicaly disappears. Now either it works or someone in eve know magic. Feel free to explain how its done, I'm interested to hear

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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The majority of GoonFLEET members are banned from posting on eve-o. There are a few exceptions. This is a self-imposed rule, IE they weren't told to do it. And its primarily because of Butter Dog. One single character single handedly managed to ruin ISS' reputation forever. They didn't want that to happen with goons.

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Originally by: Beyond Horizon

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Are you reffering to the gank where we had the balls to engage a 20 man gang (with fighters) with 3 people and eventually I got disconnected from a jump in?

And where my friend managed to warp out in a mega while 20 of you were trying to scramble him, might I remind that you had ceptors too?

I am still looking forward to you guys not running away when we have 10 people :D

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Originally by: Kam SingDu'k

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I seem to remember in the not too distant past Xelas wagging their tails over how they caught other alliances logging, as well as themselves hatings logoffskiers.

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Originally by: Farscape Hw

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"i know he isnt that lame since Xelas are always talking on the forums about how uber they are, so he must have had some kind of RL emergency"

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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic

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LOL @ the OMG YOU'RE A GOON crowd

Not only has farscape never logged from a fight, but I've seen the dude leeroy his deimos into blobs just because he wanted to go down fighting, when he very well could have just logged.

He's a class guy and flaming him for something some of his alliance mates do is just retarded.

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Originally by: R0ot

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Originally by: Kam SingDu'k

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I seem to remember in the not too distant past Xelas wagging their tails over how they caught other alliances logging, as well as themselves hatings logoffskiers.

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Proof or STFU?

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Originally by: R0ot

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Originally by: Kam SingDu'k

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I seem to remember in the not too distant past Xelas wagging their tails over how they caught other alliances logging, as well as themselves hatings logoffskiers.

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Proof or STFU?

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Originally by: R0ot[/quote

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Oh yeah LOL, I remember that one, wheres that sig i made....
http://www.gotr0ot.net/images/Loggin.jpg

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Originally by: sakana

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Originally by: R0ot

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Originally by: Kam SingDu'k

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I seem to remember in the not too distant past Xelas wagging their tails over how they caught other alliances logging, as well as themselves hatings logoffskiers.

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Proof or STFU?

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Proof

You may recognise that sig. (Hint: it was yours).

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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You're not quick enough with the scanner Farscape

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Originally by: Kaleeb

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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You're not quick enough with the scanner Farscape

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Only 2 people in eve are faster on the scanner than the 3rd best pvp'r in eve

Tacklerox Tacklerox!!

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Originally by: Crucifier

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ROFL, at every1 who is saying "omg how did they dissappeard after we aggressed them on the other side, they must be logging into other chars."

Agression is only in each system, aggress in one, and you can log off safely in the next one. Dont try argue with me, it's true.

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Originally by: Snuggly

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It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!

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Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn

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Originally by: Crucifier

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ROFL, at every1 who is saying "omg how did they dissappeard after we aggressed them on the other side, they must be logging into other chars."

Agression is only in each system, aggress in one, and you can log off safely in the next one. Dont try argue with me, it's true.

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QFT, aggression does not follow you after you jump. Don't remember if CCP considers is a bug, but i do.

the auto logging when you enter local sucks as well....lots of macro ratters in venal that are uncatchable.

wheres meanstreak? I owe him a podding.

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Good old Norman.....

Linkage

Deck

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Originally by: Elwoood Blues

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Good old Norman.....

Linkage

Deck

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fixed

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Good old Norman.....

edited out: link to Xelas killboard

Deck

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Originally by: Shadoo

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edited out: link to Xelas killboard

1/10 for flame attempt.

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Edited by: DeckardIRL on 01/05/2007 11:33:47

Originally by: Shadoo

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edited out: link to Xelas killboard

1/10 for flame attempt.

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Jesus! Shadoo and Elwoood Blues have no sense of humour.... Farscape Hw went got his mates and his Deimos and took Norm out a short time later... but have a laugh FFS... in the context of the OP the linkage was funny.... FFS

Deck

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Edited by: DeckardIRL on 01/05/2007 11:33:47

Originally by: Shadoo

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edited out: link to Xelas killboard

1/10 for flame attempt.

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Jesus! Shadoo and Elwoood Blues have no sense of humour.... Farscape Hw went got his mates and his Deimos and took Norm out a short time later... but have a laugh FFS... in the context of the OP the linkage was funny.... FFS

Deck

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Edited by: DeckardIRL on 01/05/2007 11:33:47

Originally by: Shadoo

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edited out: link to Xelas killboard

1/10 for flame attempt.

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Jesus! Shadoo and Elwoood Blues have no sense of humour.... Farscape Hw went got his mates and his Deimos and took Norm out a short time later... but have a laugh FFS... in the context of the OP the linkage was funny.... FFS

Deck

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Good old Norman.....

Linkage

Deck

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Originally by: Farscape Hw

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lol i even frappsed all the 1v1's. THAT VEXOR WAS EVIL.i was in hull b4 i even got him to armor me using t2 drones and him using t1. gf though. you guys better give norman something special or we gonna recruit him tbh.

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Originally by: Farscape Hw

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lol i even frappsed all the 1v1's. THAT VEXOR WAS EVIL.i was in hull b4 i even got him to armor me using t2 drones and him using t1. gf though. you guys better give norman something special or we gonna recruit him tbh.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic

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LOL @ the OMG YOU'RE A GOON crowd

Not only has farscape never logged from a fight, but I've seen the dude leeroy his deimos into blobs just because he wanted to go down fighting, when he very well could have just logged.

He's a class guy and flaming him for something some of his alliance mates do is just retarded.

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By that logic, you and your alliance should stop flaming FIX for the bad things BoB might have done, because "flaming someone for what some of his alliance mates did is just retarded"?

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Originally by: Farscape Hw

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Edited by: Farscape Hw on 01/05/2007 21:58:02
add QILAILE from doomsday corp, memeber of Xelas alliance to the list of loggoffski ravens, comi warped to his belt but the raven was aligned to the next belt. he warped so we jumped in and went to that belt but he logged off in warp.

this happened just now

*edit: judging by his employment history... someone is really stupid when it comes to recruiting.

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Originally by: sakana

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norman once again impressed me today, after killing a xelas raven and as another entered structure, norman warps in in his scorp to attempt to save his fellow pilot, sadly he lost his own ship as well, but kudos for having the balls to try and save his alliance members.

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Originally by: MrMajIc

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....they do like to talk on the forums alot, but if you jump 10km from them the ctrl Q is too tempting for most of them not to use. TRUST ME i know.....the isk farmers around there put up a better fight usually than xelas.

you know the other day i was amused now i think of this 5 iron 7-8 mc clash (us= rapier, claymore, stabber crow and another cepter I think was a bit drunk) Them absolution, sleipnir pilgrim, curse, jag, heretic some other crap maybe 1-2 more......anyways figured it would happen but once they lost the heritic and some small thingie (maybe crow) out pops the I-Win cyno in pops the mothership and carrier. I mean come on here, you were looking for a little fight we offered what should have been a decent little skermish and blobbed with a supercap. but hey it's war I guess anything to win. So much for fun fights

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Originally by: DeathGrip

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What does MC dropping carriers in have to do with this. Anyway I am sure they had fun, I know I do everytime I drop my carrier into battle weather its vs 1 person or 100.

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Originally by: Gneeznow

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Originally by: DeathGrip

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What does MC dropping carriers in have to do with this. Anyway I am sure they had fun, I know I do everytime I drop my carrier into battle weather its vs 1 person or 100.

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You Sir, owe me 5 hobgoblin I's from last night!

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Originally by: Algorithm 5

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FWIW (and I don't mind posting because it's hardly a secret) Doomsday is the experiment (using directors that actually speak chinese) to try and "rehabilitate" some of the macro-ratters|farmers that infest Fountain (the same guys and their many alts in the same 10 systems skipping from corp to corp and application-spamming all and sundry).

I believe part of it's purpose may have also been to suck some of them into blue rather than have them reporting ship movements to hostiles during the outpost deployment.

I don't mind saying there's some internal disagreements (although mostly at the academic level) over whether it's a good idea or not, but the people that started it think it can be done, and the alliance isn't profiting off it (except perhaps in terms of raven/cloak/torp sales) so there's a bit of a wait-and-see attitude at the moment.

Of course, I happen to ravens, cloaks and torps to the market, so I'm probably a little biased (when you kill a doomsday member, I make a bunch of isk)

If you are killing doomsday members in farming ravens, it doesn't surprise me one bit. It's the same guys everyone kills anyways in a multitude of other corps, but now a number of them have been isolated into one corp for a while.

But to be honest, I doubt the experiment will last.

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Originally by: Farscape Hw

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well sir, they are making you look very bad. as if you needed the help of them in doing that.

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Originally by: Farscape Hw

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ive only known about the existance of xelas for about 2 weeks now and ive already seen you guys logging off and exploiting errors in the game by every means possible.

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Originally by: Farscape Hw

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Tell those guys in that assbackend system near pnqy that pos's cannot be fueled while they are in reinforced mode. and no, they should not be invincible. coming out of reinforced mode at 100% shield is an exploit period.

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Originally by: RaBbLe66

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Edited by: RaBbLe66 on 02/05/2007 09:42:33

Morsus Mihi jump in a cap fleet to assault a POS in BYXF-Q

the POS comes out of reinforced with 100% shields and refueled. The Xelas guy in the POS admits he refueled as soon as it came out of reinforced but refuses to explain how. He also refused to say how the shields were recharged instantly. He was also managing to offline a Hanger array as it came out of reinforced.

(flippant accusations snipped)

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Originally by: Algorithm 5

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Originally by: RaBbLe66

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Edited by: RaBbLe66 on 02/05/2007 09:42:33

Morsus Mihi jump in a cap fleet to assault a POS in BYXF-Q

the POS comes out of reinforced with 100% shields and refueled. The Xelas guy in the POS admits he refueled as soon as it came out of reinforced but refuses to explain how. He also refused to say how the shields were recharged instantly. He was also managing to offline a Hanger array as it came out of reinforced.

(flippant accusations snipped)

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Thanks for that. I'll ask around.

I'm dubious about it being intentional/exploitable/repeatable though still, otherwise I imagine ALL our POSes would be doing the same thing, all the time.

And I'd have thought other people would also have worked it out now and we'd be seeing it all over EVE, like the "Jump through one gate to remove 15m timer, then log" stupidity.

Not that it will give you any satisfaction, but we'll look into it.

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On a separate matter, we've investigated the actions of Stephen, our corp member mentioned by the original poster that logged out to save his ratting raven. It appears he panicked because at the moment it's pretty much his only significant possession (he just moved out to U-S the day before).

While we appreciate his position, it would be un-Caldari and a black mark on the name of the Hakata Family if we allowed the financial impact to remain unanswered.

We have fined Stephen 25m isk (an arbitrary but non-trivial amount that should be somewhere in the right tournament arena) to cover the opportunity cost to the attackers of not getting a chance to loot his wreck.

I've transferred the compensation to the leader of the gang "Farscape Fw". I'll leave it to him to allocate the isk as he sees fit.

With financial compensation rendered, we consider this incident to now be closed.

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Originally by: Proxay

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Guys here's a few facts about norman that may startle you a little:

1) He's chinese

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Originally by: Farscape Hw

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Originally by: Algorithm 5

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FWIW (and I don't mind posting because it's hardly a secret) Doomsday is the experiment (using directors that actually speak chinese) to try and "rehabilitate" some of the macro-ratters|farmers that infest Fountain (the same guys and their many alts in the same 10 systems skipping from corp to corp and application-spamming all and sundry).

I believe part of it's purpose may have also been to suck some of them into blue rather than have them reporting ship movements to hostiles during the outpost deployment.

I don't mind saying there's some internal disagreements (although mostly at the academic level) over whether it's a good idea or not, but the people that started it think it can be done, and the alliance isn't profiting off it (except perhaps in terms of raven/cloak/torp sales) so there's a bit of a wait-and-see attitude at the moment.

Of course, I happen to ravens, cloaks and torps to the market, so I'm probably a little biased (when you kill a doomsday member, I make a bunch of isk)

If you are killing doomsday members in farming ravens, it doesn't surprise me one bit. It's the same guys everyone kills anyways in a multitude of other corps, but now a number of them have been isolated into one corp for a while.

But to be honest, I doubt the experiment will last.

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well sir, they are making you look very bad. as if you needed the help of them in doing that.

ive only known about the existance of xelas for about 2 weeks now and ive already seen you guys logging off and exploiting errors in the game by every means possible.

tell those guys in that assbackend system near pnqy that pos's cannot be fueled while they are in reinforced mode. and no, they should not be invincible. coming out of reinforced mode at 100% shield is an exploit period.

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Originally by: Dominixa

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Originally by: Farscape Hw

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Originally by: Algorithm 5

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FWIW (and I don't mind posting because it's hardly a secret) Doomsday is the experiment (using directors that actually speak chinese) to try and "rehabilitate" some of the macro-ratters|farmers that infest Fountain (the same guys and their many alts in the same 10 systems skipping from corp to corp and application-spamming all and sundry).

I believe part of it's purpose may have also been to suck some of them into blue rather than have them reporting ship movements to hostiles during the outpost deployment.

I don't mind saying there's some internal disagreements (although mostly at the academic level) over whether it's a good idea or not, but the people that started it think it can be done, and the alliance isn't profiting off it (except perhaps in terms of raven/cloak/torp sales) so there's a bit of a wait-and-see attitude at the moment.

Of course, I happen to ravens, cloaks and torps to the market, so I'm probably a little biased (when you kill a doomsday member, I make a bunch of isk)

If you are killing doomsday members in farming ravens, it doesn't surprise me one bit. It's the same guys everyone kills anyways in a multitude of other corps, but now a number of them have been isolated into one corp for a while.

But to be honest, I doubt the experiment will last.

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well sir, they are making you look very bad. as if you needed the help of them in doing that.

ive only known about the existance of xelas for about 2 weeks now and ive already seen you guys logging off and exploiting errors in the game by every means possible.

tell those guys in that assbackend system near pnqy that pos's cannot be fueled while they are in reinforced mode. and no, they should not be invincible. coming out of reinforced mode at 100% shield is an exploit period.

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Aren't you supposed to be at war with BOB and not worrying about random carebearing ratters miles away from your homespace? Its already been established that Xelas pay no rent, so technically you are assisting BOB in wasting your time and your large gangs time chasing around a few NPCer's in cloaking ravens.

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Originally by: The Dokter

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Why is this thread here?

Farscape HW you could have mailed a xelas director and asked if this was normal in there alliance. If you didn't get any answer or a very impolite one, you could have gone to the forums and post it then.

Really don't get the posts from a goon, d2 and mm complaining about tacktics that in there alliance also happens. If you don't like it, mail it to the director or make a thread in eve general with a good solution so you can help ccp making this game a bit better. This is only bashing

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Originally by: Farscape Hw

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just now we had a Xelas raven in a belt and he cloaked then logged off. his name was YESHIU from doomsday corp.

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Originally by: RaBbLe66

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Edited by: RaBbLe66 on 02/05/2007 15:54:59

Quote:

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Not that it will give you any satisfaction, but we'll look into it

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Thats Nice..

Will you also look into the next one that came out of reinforced this morning and also magically had its shields instantly restored?

As you seem to be pretty respectable in your dealings about issues in this thread can you confirm that you/your alliance have petitioned this problem?

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Algo... you are being too nice... F**K em and let them worry about it... as they can't flame BoB they flame us... as they can't or don't have the balls to beat BoB, and so they try to beat us. Yes we are not a strong Alliance (yet). Attacking us DOES NOT defeat BOB. IDIOTS.. PUSSIES...

This Alliance has been at war so long, it is still here and we have deployed our second outpost.... they flame us and troll us blah blah... tbh I am bored of it.

All you Co-Alition pussies take it to BoB or STFU. The sh1te that you give Xelas is a joke.... grow some balls and go to Delve. I already know that you dont have the balls for that... except maybe RA... even then its a tough call for them.... so flame Xelas and Fix as thats all you got.

Take it in game and then come back to the forums with your battle reports and thus PROOF OR STFU. All you Co-alition w4nkers need to ante up or get the f*ck off the forums.

Xelas will survive no matter the pounding we take... BoB will always survive as you co-alition fairies don't have the balls to take it to them direct.

Nuff said.

Deck

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Originally by: Faceless Pokemon

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and you wonder why everyone dislikes your alliance when you post messages like that.great job on the PR, you've just shamed your alliance

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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.... grow some balls and go to Delve. ...

Nuff said.

Deck

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Originally by: Divus

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Edited by: Divus on 03/05/2007 00:14:28

Originally by: DeckardIRL

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.... grow some balls and go to Delve. ...

Nuff said.

Deck

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lol we are in delve

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Originally by: Divus

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Edited by: Divus on 03/05/2007 00:14:28

Originally by: DeckardIRL

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.... grow some balls and go to Delve. ...

Nuff said.

Deck

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lol we are in delve

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and dieing badly.... according to the Killboards....

Deck

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Originally by: KOTH Fluf

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Your alliance is weak, and has no business in 0.0 space. You will be returned to empire shortly. As for BOB, I expect they will be here within the week to try to save your worthless alliance again, as it has always done for you in the past. We await their arrival.

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Originally by: KOTH Fluf

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you dont have a clue. We have been in Delve, and all BOB territories. We have just returned home to spank the pets some. I have been fighting BOB for quite some time. My stats on their own killboard are enough.

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Algo... you are being too nice... F**K em and let them worry about it... as they can't flame BoB they flame us... as they can't or don't have the balls to beat BoB, and so they try to beat us. Yes we are not a strong Alliance (yet). Attacking us DOES NOT defeat BOB. IDIOTS.. PUSSIES...

This Alliance has been at war so long, it is still here and we have deployed our second outpost.... they flame us and troll us blah blah... tbh I am bored of it.

All you Co-Alition pussies take it to BoB or STFU. The sh1te that you give Xelas is a joke.... grow some balls and go to Delve. I already know that you dont have the balls for that... except maybe RA... even then its a tough call for them.... so flame Xelas and Fix as thats all you got.

Take it in game and then come back to the forums with your battle reports and thus PROOF OR STFU. All you Co-alition w4nkers need to ante up or get the f*ck off the forums.

Xelas will survive no matter the pounding we take... BoB will always survive as you co-alition fairies don't have the balls to take it to them direct.

Nuff said.

Deck

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Originally by: Superbus Maximus

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Algo... you are being too nice... F**K em and let them worry about it... as they can't flame BoB they flame us... as they can't or don't have the balls to beat BoB, and so they try to beat us. Yes we are not a strong Alliance (yet). Attacking us DOES NOT defeat BOB. IDIOTS.. PUSSIES...

This Alliance has been at war so long, it is still here and we have deployed our second outpost.... they flame us and troll us blah blah... tbh I am bored of it.

All you Co-Alition pussies take it to BoB or STFU. The sh1te that you give Xelas is a joke.... grow some balls and go to Delve. I already know that you dont have the balls for that... except maybe RA... even then its a tough call for them.... so flame Xelas and Fix as thats all you got.

Take it in game and then come back to the forums with your battle reports and thus PROOF OR STFU. All you Co-alition w4nkers need to ante up or get the f*ck off the forums.

Xelas will survive no matter the pounding we take... BoB will always survive as you co-alition fairies don't have the balls to take it to them direct.

Nuff said.

Deck

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You take this game way to seriously take a chill pill or something. I really hope your life doesn't revolve around this game.

I am inclined to believe Al, seems like the pos was just bugged. I don't see how a person could influence a pos to come out of reinforced at 100% hopefully ccp will come up with some acceptable solution to the problem.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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What this thread amounts to, can be summed up in a little flow chart:

Xelas dude logged
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Am I anti bob? ------Yes------- "OMG hax"
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No
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"Your a goon, logger"

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Originally by: Algorithm 5

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Originally by: Farscape Hw

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well sir, they are making you look very bad. as if you needed the help of them in doing that.

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EVERY alliance has people with varying levels of morals (Xelas, Goons, everyone). And EVERY Alliance that *****es about some other Alliance running exploits from some perceived moral high ground is guilty of hypocracy.

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Originally by: Farscape Hw

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tell those guys in that assbackend system near pnqy that pos's cannot be fueled while they are in reinforced mode. and no, they should not be invincible. coming out of reinforced mode at 100% shield is an exploit period.

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Originally by: Algorithm 5

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I know there was a dread gang that jumped in on a BYXF POS and found it at 100%, dropped it to 92% shield, then gave up and left. That one is a different story. From what it sounded like to me, your dreads turned up about an hour or so after downtime, but the POS had come out of reinforced an half hour (or something like that) BEFORE downtime, so the owners had plenty of time to get it back up.

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Originally by: Life reaper

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Originally by: Algorithm 5

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I know there was a dread gang that jumped in on a BYXF POS and found it at 100%, dropped it to 92% shield, then gave up and left. That one is a different story. From what it sounded like to me, your dreads turned up about an hour or so after downtime, but the POS had come out of reinforced an half hour (or something like that) BEFORE downtime, so the owners had plenty of time to get it back up.

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The PoS we're referring to left reinforced at 5:22am eve time and had dreads waiting for it. When it left reinforced it was at 100% shields and online.

If the quantity of stront assures max shields when it comes out, then yeah, welcome to permanent PoSes Online, good job CCP.

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Originally by: Divus

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Edited by: Divus on 03/05/2007 00:14:28

Originally by: DeckardIRL

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.... grow some balls and go to Delve. ...

Nuff said.

Deck

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lol we are in delve

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and dieing badly.... according to the Killboards....

Deck

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Originally by: NeVeH

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The PoS we're referring to left reinforced at 5:22am eve time and had dreads waiting for it. When it left reinforced it was at 100% shields and online.

If the quantity of stront assures max shields when it comes out, then yeah, welcome to permanent PoSes Online, good job CCP.

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Originally by: RaBbLe66

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the 2nd POS that came out 25 minutes before DT also had 100% shields as it came out of reinforced,

I am willing to believe it is a bug not an exploit, However I would like you to ask your POS manager how he knew he would be able to refuel it as soon as it came out of reinforced and how within seconds he knew he could start to unanchor the corps hanger array neither of which should have been possible.

The concern is quite simply, that on first sight it appears that the guy was ready to fuel the instant in came out of reinforced and to start to unanchor, it could lead to the more sceptical person to think he knew it would come out of reinforced with full shields, either prior knowledge of the bug or use of an exploit

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Originally by: Algorithm 5

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Originally by: RaBbLe66

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the 2nd POS that came out 25 minutes before DT also had 100% shields as it came out of reinforced,

I am willing to believe it is a bug not an exploit, However I would like you to ask your POS manager how he knew he would be able to refuel it as soon as it came out of reinforced and how within seconds he knew he could start to unanchor the corps hanger array neither of which should have been possible.

The concern is quite simply, that on first sight it appears that the guy was ready to fuel the instant in came out of reinforced and to start to unanchor, it could lead to the more sceptical person to think he knew it would come out of reinforced with full shields, either prior knowledge of the bug or use of an exploit

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I think your concerns are unfounded.

It is entirely and utterly normal to have someone present at the POS when coming out of reinforced, for a multitude of reasons.

If you warped in when your POS came out of reinforced and found the shields up, have a think how long it would take you to start doing stuff, before it was attacked again.

Me? If I found the shields up, I'd be packing up corp hangers in about 15 seconds.

In any case, a medium POS just came out of reinforced in BYXF as I write this, and it seems to be behaving normally.

Lets just hope it was just a transient bug caused by the recent problems/patch, or that the GMs have managed to fix whatever was causing it.

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Originally by: Kahor

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Originally by: Algorithm 5

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Originally by: RaBbLe66

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the 2nd POS that came out 25 minutes before DT also had 100% shields as it came out of reinforced,

I am willing to believe it is a bug not an exploit, However I would like you to ask your POS manager how he knew he would be able to refuel it as soon as it came out of reinforced and how within seconds he knew he could start to unanchor the corps hanger array neither of which should have been possible.

The concern is quite simply, that on first sight it appears that the guy was ready to fuel the instant in came out of reinforced and to start to unanchor, it could lead to the more sceptical person to think he knew it would come out of reinforced with full shields, either prior knowledge of the bug or use of an exploit

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I think your concerns are unfounded.

It is entirely and utterly normal to have someone present at the POS when coming out of reinforced, for a multitude of reasons.

If you warped in when your POS came out of reinforced and found the shields up, have a think how long it would take you to start doing stuff, before it was attacked again.

Me? If I found the shields up, I'd be packing up corp hangers in about 15 seconds.

In any case, a medium POS just came out of reinforced in BYXF as I write this, and it seems to be behaving normally.

Lets just hope it was just a transient bug caused by the recent problems/patch, or that the GMs have managed to fix whatever was causing it.

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Yeah, it's normal to notice an obvious bug and exploit it...oh wait.

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Originally by: farsycal

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what would you have done if it was your pos?

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Originally by: ZUDD

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XS and friends at their worst: Jump into local; realize you are going to die; log off while still cloaked at jump in so the pvp timer never activates.

This has been happening in epidemic numbers in Fountain space recently, and something needs to be done to stop this exploit of game mechanics. Alteast a full half of all xelas/axe/whoever else lives out there are using this lame tactic when they realize they have run their ship into us.

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Originally by: doctorstupid2

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Which half of axe was this? Because I'm pretty damn sure we're not in fountain anymore, but I might have my map upside down.

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Originally by: ZUDD

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Originally by: doctorstupid2

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Which half of axe was this? Because I'm pretty damn sure we're not in fountain anymore, but I might have my map upside down.

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You are right, haven't seen an Axe in Fountain since April, just got a little miffed at all those exploiters tonight. I apologize

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Originally by: ZUDD

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Originally by: doctorstupid2

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Which half of axe was this? Because I'm pretty damn sure we're not in fountain anymore, but I might have my map upside down.

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You are right, haven't seen an Axe in Fountain since April, just got a little miffed at all those exploiters tonight. I apologize

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Originally by: KOTH Fluf

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Originally by: Divus

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Edited by: Divus on 03/05/2007 00:14:28

Originally by: DeckardIRL

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.... grow some balls and go to Delve. ...

Nuff said.

Deck

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lol we are in delve

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and dieing badly.... according to the Killboards....

Deck

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You dont have a clue. We have been in Delve, and all BOB territories. We have just returned home to spank the pets some. I have been fighting BOB for quite some time. My stats on their own killboard are enough.

Your alliance is weak, and has no business in 0.0 space. You will be returned to empire shortly. As for BOB, I expect they will be here within the week to try to save your worthless alliance again, as it has always done for you in the past. We await their arrival.

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Originally by: Farscape Hw

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I have reliable intel that this Doomsday Corp is actually full of alts of HUN corp members, confirming what i was already suspecting by them logging off in the constelation behind A-1 solarsystem as i enter local and even drop out of warp beside them in belts then coming back through to find a large HUN corp gangs camping the gates out. having added them to address book i find they log on immediently after the doomsday corp guys log off.

we can now put better known names to the isk farming loggoffski noob alts who plague this game.

on a further note after doing employment history checks of alot of the HUN corp guys i find logging on, they have been in BOB alliance in random corps in recent history. but ill let you make your own assuption on this 'co-incident'.

I will spend some more time trying to match names with alts over some time of making them log off. If and when i get a full list i will surely tell you guys.

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Originally by: UGWidowmaker

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Amazing if we suck so much but still draws attention all the time!

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Originally by: Farscape Hw

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i still managed to warp out with my uberleet boots of escaping. disshonoring 1v1's is just *** mkay?

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Originally by: The Ice

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Originally by: Farscape Hw

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i still managed to warp out with my uberleet boots of escaping. disshonoring 1v1's is just *** mkay?

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I am the one who disrespected the unwritten rules of 1vs1, for that I am really sorry.
This was my first 1vs1 and when losing the battle I panicked and made a wrong decision. I know that I screwed up on this big time and I am really sorry for that. It won't happen again. If you wish a rematch, let us meet in A-1CON.

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Originally by: Minigin

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Originally by: The Ice

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Originally by: Farscape Hw

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i still managed to warp out with my uberleet boots of escaping. disshonoring 1v1's is just *** mkay?

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I am the one who disrespected the unwritten rules of 1vs1, for that I am really sorry.
This was my first 1vs1 and when losing the battle I panicked and made a wrong decision. I know that I screwed up on this big time and I am really sorry for that. It won't happen again. If you wish a rematch, let us meet in A-1CON.

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oh gee this sounds sincere...

you cant grow honour... you either have it or you dont. all those who are dishonerable think its ok because its just a game... but lets face it... if you have no honour in a game your more than likely to have none IRL.

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Originally by: Snodgey2004

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Originally by: Minigin

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Originally by: The Ice

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Originally by: Farscape Hw

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i still managed to warp out with my uberleet boots of escaping. disshonoring 1v1's is just *** mkay?

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I am the one who disrespected the unwritten rules of 1vs1, for that I am really sorry.
This was my first 1vs1 and when losing the battle I panicked and made a wrong decision. I know that I screwed up on this big time and I am really sorry for that. It won't happen again. If you wish a rematch, let us meet in A-1CON.

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oh gee this sounds sincere...

you cant grow honour... you either have it or you dont. all those who are dishonerable think its ok because its just a game... but lets face it... if you have no honour in a game your more than likely to have none IRL.

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I've had the mis-fortune of being dishonoured in a 1v1 ( twice actually) but what I have found out is the way people are thinking these days is " dis-honour? in a game ? against people i'll never meet or know ? " your at war with these guys , as far as they are concerned alls fair in love and war , then again from other posts i've read your side isn't exactly clean either , this whole thread is just one big whine thread which i'm now part of

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Originally by: The Ice

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Originally by: Farscape Hw

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i still managed to warp out with my uberleet boots of escaping. disshonoring 1v1's is just *** mkay?

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I am the one who disrespected the unwritten rules of 1vs1, for that I am really sorry.
This was my first 1vs1 and when losing the battle I panicked and made a wrong decision. I know that I screwed up on this big time and I am really sorry for that. It won't happen again. If you wish a rematch, let us meet in A-1CON.

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Originally by: Farscape Hw

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we formed up with around 4 frigs and headed out from yz- in fountain, after a few mins couple more guys showed up so we had an ok small inty gang, enough to drop an npcer but probably not enough to engage a decent size gang.

i was the scout since im so uber with the scanner and all(infact we will call me King Farscape from now on). i jumped into this system not to far away from yz- about 2 jumps ahead of the gang. i said on ts "xelas raven on scanner... got his belt warping to him". i drop out of warp in his belt 13km from him but he was fully aligned and at the moment he saw me he warped to the next belt and logged off in warp. i sat there thinking "i know he isnt that lame since Xelas are always talking on the forums about how uber they are, so he must have had some kind of RL emergency"

so we moved on.

i go 2 more jumps and theres another Xelas guy npcing since there were so many wrecks on scanner, but the belts were 31au away, so i picked a random belt and went. i drop out of warp and omg wtf HEY! ANOTHER RAVEN! f1 f2 f3... local dropped to one. "come in guys he logged but i have a point on him" i said as i went to get another beer. i came back just in time to see his raven go POOF majic PRESTO ABRA KADABRA bye bye :( no killmail for meh.

im getting kinda ticked off now.

so we move on yet again, random bob pet jumps into us in his drake, gets tackled 15k off the gate but has enough honor to go out swinging, almost lost a ceptor there as he popped.

we move on yet again with our bloodlust quinched somewhat.

few random pet domi/raven/other guys cloak on us, so we decide to go down the back pipe in a deadend route with a large blob at the end. we scram a tempest in a belt but b4 his tank would break they warped the rescue gang in and we had to bail. we are starting to get tierd and head back.

we land on this gate and someone else has managed to get ahead of me scouting while i was checking a different system on the side. i hear "theres a xelas raven on the other side of the 6F- gate!" "agro him on that side" "ok hes scrambled...he jumped!" "get ready guys" "point" "point" "he logged..." "put the damage on him guys"

so at this point i remember that i have a print screen button

What a logger looks like

his ship dissapears in armor...

frustrated but satisfied we got a screenshot of it we moved on. couple more jumps out we find a drake on a gate and engage him b4 he manages to log off so he agroed back, i tank him for ages but he must have been thinking of what his ceo would say when he loses his ship to us and decides instead to give us a free drake

but we cannot be arsed to drag that peice of **** back all the way to yz- so we blow it up anyway.

on back towards home and we get blobbed, while 'killing the bait', lose 2 frigs, and bail out. we got around the blob and went 1 jump past them and killed a xelas hauler. went back in to the system where the first one logged and he logged off again. burned back and docked.

anyways King Farscape is pleased with the 2 screenshots and will get more im sure.

i just wasted a few mins of your life
have a nice day.

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Originally by: Farscape Hw

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so we move on yet again, random bob pet jumps into us in his drake, gets tackled 15k off the gate but has enough honor to go out swinging, almost lost a ceptor there as he popped.


couple more jumps out we find a drake on a gate and engage him b4 he manages to log off so he agroed back, i tank him for ages but he must have been thinking of what his ceo would say when he loses his ship to us and decides instead to


but we cannot be arsed to drag that peice of **** back all the way to yz- so we blow it up anyway.

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Originally by: Snodgey2004

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The side that isn't BoB , correct me if I'm wrong... not that it would matter , this thread is a whine thread no less right ?

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3. And last im not sure anyone in your gang could fly a drake because i know if i was in a frig i would i taken a drake anyday.

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