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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.29 19:46:59 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Yeah and they already have different mechanic to differentiate them.
Yes. Which is why LS is made a mockery of by JFs.
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Frostys Virpio
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Posted - 2017.03.29 19:47:04 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Snip PS: Player Empires rise and fall in EVE, daily, yet Jita/The Forge just gets more and more prominent.
Amarr never felt.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.29 19:48:03 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:How many time will your answer to people not agreeing with you be claim that we are alt instead of actually proposing fact to support your claims?
That depends on how many times you presume to inadequately answer questions addressed to someone else.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.29 19:48:54 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Snip PS: Player Empires rise and fall in EVE, daily, yet Jita/The Forge just gets more and more prominent. Amarr never felt. Your move.
Is this supposed to mean something?
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Frostys Virpio
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Posted - 2017.03.29 19:49:11 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Yeah and they already have different mechanic to differentiate them. Yes. Which is why LS is made a mockery of by JFs.
Ganking makes a mockery out of CONCORD every time people do manage to gank something after all the nerf. Does that mean it require "Just one more nerf"? |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.29 19:50:48 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Yeah and they already have different mechanic to differentiate them. Yes. Which is why LS is made a mockery of by JFs. Ganking makes a mockery out of CONCORD every time people do manage to gank something after all the nerf. Does that mean it require "Just one more nerf"?
Ganking does not make a mockery of CONCORD, cos CONCORD always wins.
Try again.
Not that this has anything to do with JFs in LS.
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Frostys Virpio
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Posted - 2017.03.29 19:51:13 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:
That depends on how many times you presume to inadequately answer questions addressed to someone else.
This is a forum, your post are public and open to comment by anyone sir.
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Snip PS: Player Empires rise and fall in EVE, daily, yet Jita/The Forge just gets more and more prominent. Amarr never felt. Your move. Is this supposed to mean something?
If Jita not falling is an issue, why aren't you bitching about Amarr at the same time? According to you, it should have felt by now... |
Frostys Virpio
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Posted - 2017.03.29 19:52:15 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Yeah and they already have different mechanic to differentiate them. Yes. Which is why LS is made a mockery of by JFs. Ganking makes a mockery out of CONCORD every time people do manage to gank something after all the nerf. Does that mean it require "Just one more nerf"? Ganking does not make a mockery of CONCORD, cos CONCORD always wins. Try again. Not that this has anything to do with JFs in LS.
We blow up ship and collect the loot but somehow CONCORD won?
No wonder all the change you ever propose are so bad. |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.29 19:53:04 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:If Jita not falling is an issue, why aren't you bitching about Amarr at the same time? According to you, it should have felt by now...
What should Amarr have "felt"?
Wtf are you even one about?
Have you not seen the figures on Jita/Forge?
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.29 19:54:42 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:We blow up ship and collect the loot but somehow CONCORD won?
CONCORD blew up your ship. You cant beat CONCORD.
CONCORD always wins.
This is basic EVE 101.
Not that this has anything to do with LS JFs, despite your desperate attempt to redirect the discussion.
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Frostys Virpio
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Posted - 2017.03.29 19:57:17 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:If Jita not falling is an issue, why aren't you bitching about Amarr at the same time? According to you, it should have felt by now... What should Amarr have "felt"? Wtf are you even on about? Have you not seen the figures on Jita/Forge?
Yes I did and I have absolutely no problem with that.
There are actually no problem with Jita. It's actually pretty realistic for trade to centralize in a hub making it efficient for everyone. |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.29 20:00:14 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Yes I did and I have absolutely no problem with that.
You have no problem with a a single NPC HS region and system housing the overwhelming majority of trade and production THROUGHOUT EVE.
Are we even playing the same game?
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Frostys Virpio
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Posted - 2017.03.29 20:53:48 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Yes I did and I have absolutely no problem with that. You have no problem with a a single NPC HS region and system housing the overwhelming majority of trade and production THROUGHOUT EVE. Are we even playing the same game?
I effectively have no problem with that and we are indeed playing the same game. Well, I think since I can't verify if you do actually play EVE... |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.03.29 22:23:01 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote: your claims are lies. Prove that. Despite being asked multiple times to show evidence that proves your claim, you haven't.
That is proof enough. No evidence available is itself proof that your claims cannot be supported and are nothing but lies.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.30 06:27:50 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote: your claims are lies. Prove that. If it is "strongly favouring" NS neighbours, that should be easy. I stand by my claim that for every 1 killmail you can post of a LS group losing a capital in LS to a NS group, I can post 10 that are the other way around.
You are inferring things that have not been said. You immediately assumed "strongly favouring" meant only current rates of LS cap PvP.
NS lol-cynos its JFs past LS. NS doesnt care what you do in LS, nor have interest in LS cap PvP as long as they can continue doing so.
As others have pointed out, NS can flood LS with fleets should it wish to do so. Currently they have no interest in LS, except as a fly-over sector to and from HS.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.30 06:30:40 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Yes I did and I have absolutely no problem with that. You have no problem with a a single NPC HS region and system housing the overwhelming majority of trade and production THROUGHOUT EVE? I effectively have no problem with that
What do you mean by "effectively"?
Do you "effectively" have no problem with it because it is convenient/beneficial for you?
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Shae Tadaruwa
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Posted - 2017.03.30 06:55:46 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:You are inferring things that have not been said. You immediately assumed "strongly favouring" meant only current rates of LS cap PvP.
NS lol-cynos its JFs past LS. NS doesnt care what you do in LS, nor have interest in LS cap PvP as long as they can continue doing so.
As others have pointed out, NS can flood LS with fleets should it wish to do so. Currently they have no interest in LS, except as a fly-over sector to and from HS. You would think it is possible someone could remember what they actually wrote.
Salvos Rhoska wrote:The primary problem is JFs lol-cynoing past LS between HS-NS. Secondary problem is caps in LS, especially with cyno, as overkill, and strongly favoring NS neighbors.
It isn't me inferring anything and your claim about caps in lowsec was separate to the stupid point about jump freighters.
You clearly said, 'Secondary problem is caps in LS, especially with cyno, as overkill, and strongly favouring NS neighbours".
Your words.
Post your evidence of STFU, because you have no clue what you are talking about (as usual).
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.30 07:01:57 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: The primary problem is JFs lol-cynoing past LS between HS-NS. Secondary problem is caps in LS, especially with cyno, as overkill, and strongly favoring NS neighbors.
It isn't me inferring anything. You clearly said, 'Secondary problem is caps in LS, especially with cyno, as overkill, and strongly favouring NS neighbours".
If NS wanted to eradicate every single player structure in all of LS, they could do it, and especially with cap superiority.
You are again making the false inference that NS currently even bothers with LS as anything other than a fly-over sector.
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Shae Tadaruwa
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Posted - 2017.03.30 07:45:43 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: The primary problem is JFs lol-cynoing past LS between HS-NS. Secondary problem is caps in LS, especially with cyno, as overkill, and strongly favoring NS neighbors.
It isn't me inferring anything. You clearly said, 'Secondary problem is caps in LS, especially with cyno, as overkill, and strongly favouring NS neighbours". If NS wanted to eradicate every single player structure in all of LS, they could do it, and especially with cap superiority. You are again making the false inference that NS currently even bothers with LS as anything other than a fly-over sector. The "overkill" refers to PvE content local to LS, which is tiered as such that caps are overkill for completing them. Oh so now it's LS PVE strongly favours NS neighbours.
Your arguments getting dumber and dumber every time you post.
You should just admit that you have no clue what you are talking about, that this 'strong favouring NS neighbours' BS is complete rubbish and at least save face.
If it strongly favours NS neighbours, there would be evidence of it.
Post it. Stop this dodging rubbish with non-sensical arguments and post some actual evidence that these cynos strongly favour NS neighbours bringing caps to LS.
Hell, even do it for PVE, since you can't for PVP.
Show how dominant PVE in LS is and how it so strongly favours NS coming to LS.
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Oliver Delorean
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Posted - 2017.03.30 09:28:36 -
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Remove low-sec. Cut high-sec to half. Remove local from null-sec. |
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.30 09:38:01 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:
The "overkill" refers to PvE content local to LS, which is tiered as such that caps are overkill for completing them.
Oh so now it's LS PVE strongly favours NS neighbours.
No, that again is a false inference.
The point is that caps are overkill for LS PvE content which raises the question why they can be flown there in the first place. L5s can be run without them as a group effort. Caps are massive overkill for LS DEDs/complexes.
There are 3400+ NS systems with PvE content tiered for caps. There are only 800 LS systems, with PvE content not tiered for caps.
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2017.03.30 10:19:27 -
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this is now totally confirmed that this guy is just trolling.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.30 10:22:25 -
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Lan Wang wrote:this is now totally confirmed that this guy is just trolling.
Weak, very weak. And constitutes trolling in and of itself.
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2017.03.30 10:25:42 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Lan Wang wrote:this is now totally confirmed that this guy is just trolling. Weak, very weak. And constitutes trolling in and of itself.
you dont have a clue what you are talking about, its getting boring listening to the same arguments from you where you provide no evidence when asked
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.30 10:33:22 -
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Lan Wang wrote:you dont have a clue what you are talking about, its getting boring listening to the same arguments from you where you provide no evidence when asked
Prove it. Your boredom is not my problem. No one is forcing you to read or respond. The irony of you demanding evidence when I specifically addressed that in my previous post. Then you resort to "you dont have a clue" and "you are trolling", both which you cant prove and are just an excuse to avoid arguing the points made.
This isnt reddit, and Im not a push-over. Try harder or gtfo the kitchen.
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2017.03.30 11:06:18 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Lan Wang wrote:you dont have a clue what you are talking about, its getting boring listening to the same arguments from you where you provide no evidence when asked
Prove it. Your boredom is not my problem. No one is forcing you to read or respond. Believe me, your crap content here bores the hell out of me as well. The irony of you demanding evidence when I specifically addressed that in my previous post. Then you resort to "you dont have a clue" and "you are trolling", both which you cant substantiate and are just an excuse to avoid arguing the points made. This isnt reddit, and Im not a push-over. Try harder or gtfo the kitchen.
ofcourse not but i come here to see if anyone has anything constructive to say about the space me and any others "live" in, prove what? people have already shown you that freighters die quite often in lowsec, you chose to ignore that and again try and enforce your agenda with no evidence when asked, all you say is "lol-cyno" and nullsec this and that, you havent supplied any links to enforce what you say, so its just an opinion from someone who doesn't have a clue, nothing more.
luckily this isnt reddit as you would be trolled worse
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.30 11:16:55 -
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Lan Wang wrote: people have already shown you that freighters die quite often in lowsec.
Sure, the occasional idiot/drunk blows up.
Its not even a fraction of total NS-HS transit past LS in JFs.
As I stated before, there is no killboard evidence of NS neighbor capacity to overwhelm LS with caps, because they have no incentive to do so. LS is crap space compared to NS. NS has zero interest in operating in LS. Its just something to cyno over with JFs to and from HS markets (Jita/Forge).
PS: You claimed I am trolling, why then are you posting to me?
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Posted - 2017.03.30 11:18:13 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:PS: You claimed I am trolling, why then are you posting to me?
if you havent noticed already im also trolling you
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Its not even a fraction of total NS-HS transit past LS in JFs.
prove it
Salvos Rhoska wrote:As I stated before, there is no killboard evidence of NS neighbor capacity to overwhelm LS with caps, because they have no incentive to do so.
you said a while ago that this change would "protect lowsec from nullsec neighbours dropping on lowsec with impunity", so thats wrong now?
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.30 11:22:58 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:PS: You claimed I am trolling, why then are you posting to me? if you havent noticed already im also trolling you Im not trolling though. Im posting ontopic and at length, arguing issues, answering questions, reciprocally.
But you just admitted you are infact trolling.
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Posted - 2017.03.30 11:35:08 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:PS: You claimed I am trolling, why then are you posting to me? if you havent noticed already im also trolling you Im not trolling though. Im posting ontopic and at length, arguing issues, answering questions, reciprocally. But you just admitted you are infact trolling.
After your edited additions: 1) Prove that most of JF transport through LS is destroyed. 2) Post-change, NS will not be able to drop cyno/caps in LS. LS PvP will be subcap, non-cyno, only.
that cant be proved but you have been shown by myself and scripio that they do die, you havent provided anything to enforce your opinion so do that instead.
you havent answered the question, you have just repeated the affects of your change
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