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Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.01 20:37:00 - [1] The hammer and the anvil (Amarr ascendant) So now comes the test, the third week of the war, Operation Judas Goat complete and Operation Slaughterhouse in full swing and the full power of the Amarrian capsule paramilitaries focused on the 80 brave Free Captains of the Star Fraction striving to maintain space superiority and consistent military pressure on the increasingly beleaguered PIE Inc. What a glorious struggle, what mighty symbolism and powerful example for any desiring freedom and independence in these times of technological change and infinite possibility û these were the moments we were born to experience and in confronting and humiliating these nationalist servants of the decaying imperial empire of the Throne Worlds we were truly and absolutely alive. But military realities are still pressing, and though each Free Captain is truly worth many of the individual nationalist paramilitary slaves pressed into service of loyalist militia organisations, it is not a time for complacency and foolish actions. Swift decisions, cunning war tactics, decisive manoeuvre and preservation of material and equipment becomes vital in the face of such absolute numbers and bitter ranked hateful loyalist fleets sent against us in great number. The Amarrian way of war is simple. Superior numbers, heavy defences, rank upon rank of laser batteries and brute force. They think the finest accomplishment of the warrior is to stand in line and exchange blow upon blow, direct and simplistic, coherent light upon reflective compound until either combatant falls to explosive failure and reactor overload for the glory of God. It is primitive but effective, and against a foe who cannot counter with paradigm shift in tactical thinking it is deadly. And this is what we would face in the days ahead. Numerically-superior Amarrian vessels arrayed in great number and close file formation. Armageddon, Apocalypse and Abaddon class battleships, Harbinger and Prophesy class Battlecruisers, all primed with lasers and plates and fixed with static discipline while their commanders expected us to give battle against the odds and weight of firepower for the inevitability of Amarrian victory and the quenching of our revolutionary souls. They had assembled a vast coalition from all races and corners of the star cluster; loyal pure blood Amarrians, Ni-Kunni and Khanid slave warriors, Caldari legionnaires, Gallente mercenaries, Matari turncoats and every kind of opportunistic villain that could be tempted by Amarrian isk to join the muster and oppose the bright light of anarchy and freedom banishing the shadows of Amarrian nationalism from the Throne Worlds. Nationalists of many creeds and backgrounds united against the outnumbered but undaunted pilots of the Star Fraction. The armies of convention and hierarchy marching against the dream of freedom, this would be a clash of ideals and culture, of brute force against innovation, of tyranny against hope and there could only be one winner when the dust settled. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.01 20:38:00 - [2] A bloody toll Against the superior numbers of the Amarrian bloc and their many allies there would be no more easy fights û the skirmish was over, the meeting engagement joined û now came the time for killing and bloody work and flawless victories would be rare, thousands of Fraction crew knew their time was short and as the ever increasing numbers of loyalists came flooding into the Throne worlds the fighting was heavy and vicious. But in the dog-days of the Privateer war our captains continued to harass and score casualties against their number even as we hunted the Amarrians û and certainly whenever the mercenaries showed an opportunity we could exploit we felt it rude not to take it. A Nighthawk Class Command Battlecruiser marked the last major victory of that campaign with a group of free captains overthrowing Privateer Captain Supermisa and driving off the remaining mercenaries in the wake. The end of the happy times and close of a very successful campaign against Privateers all in all. Then came heavy fighting over the next 24 hours: seeing the loss of significant SF assets including 3 Battlecruisers, a pair of cruisers, and several single seat interceptor class frigates in continual fighting with the vanguard elements of the combined Amarrian fleets. In reply we were able to eliminate a 1st Praetorian Guard Armageddon class Battleship under the command of Lowanaera, 2 loyalist Battlecruisers (Harbinger and Myrmidon) and a pair of Malediction class Interceptors provided by PIE in support of their allies. Messy and relatively even, with neither side holding supremacy convincingly in the aftermath of these battles but so much more to come. The following day saw the fighting rising further yet in tempo with a day of heavy losses for the Fraction with our fleet suffering from traps and flank attacks from the Amarrians and their growing confidence from numbers and presence in the Throne worlds. Free Captain losses in the period included 4 battleships (Hyperion, Megathron, Scorpion, Dominix) a Vagabond class Heavy Assault Cruiser and Lachesis class Recon vessel, alongside a Battlecruiser, 2 conventional cruisers and 4 interceptor class frigates. While the Amarrians lost 2 Battleships, 2 Battlecruisers, a handful of tech1 cruisers and a lone interceptor. Things were beginning to look bleak. But it is in such times that heroism arises and against the odds and numbers the Fraction continued to strive and confront the Amarrian horde and counterattacked with courage bordering on the reckless in outright defiance of traditional notions of fleet inferiority and balance of firepower. Led by Free Captain Jonny Damodred û Friday 20th saw a radically outgunned wing of SF heavy ships fighting a mobile offensive across several systems from Amarr Prime through Sarum into Hama in an engagement that drove the CVA back to their haunts in Providence for the evening and left a significant butchers bill on both sides with the Fraction losing 2 Battleships (Megathron and Typhoon) an Astarte Class Command Battlecruiser, 4 interceptors and a Celestis class EW cruiser in exchange for loyalist losses of: 4 Battleships (Hyperion, Raven, a pair of ArmageddonÆs) 2 Interceptors and a number of tech1 small vessels scrambled in as impromptu shuttles for the escaping CVA pilots there unshipped. Messy and brutal, but for all their numerical superiority the Amarrians were not untouchable û they could bleed like anyone else. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.01 20:39:00 - [3] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 01/05/2007 20:35:15 A false dawn The following day saw a general withdrawal of CVA vessels from the vicinity of Amarr Prime as they reorganised their forces and practised combined fleet ops away from the warzone. Taking the opportunity to press space superiority for the duration the Free Captains struck hard against the now isolated pilots of PIE, AM and VV and destroyed a pair of Harbinger class Battlecruisers, a Arbitrator class cruiser, 3 interceptor class frigates and a collection of tech1 rabble and shuttles and novice ships put into space by the uncoordinated PIE commanders for the duration. Seven Amarrian loyalists were summarily executed in their capsules by SF forces and we suffered the loss of a single Blackbird Class EW cruiser in return. Black Sunday Then came the worst 24 hours of the war for Star Fraction with the CVA returning in force and providing battlefield commissar command to their otherwise uncoordinated allied levies and basing from Ashab system to counterattack SF dominance of Amarr Prime. We found the limit of usefulness for earlier tactics and combined fire and direct confrontation of the larger Amarrian fleets and suffered a day of reversals and defeats that led to the loss of 2 Dominix Class Battleships, a Vagabond Class Heavy Assault Cruiser, a Curse Class Recon Cruiser, and 4 Interceptor class frigates while destroying only 2 enemy Battlecruisers, 2 Arbitrator class Cruisers, and 3 Malediction class interceptors in return. Heavy casualties for the Free Captains and our crew û the war was getting bitter. And worse yet, the Amarrian forces had now come to dominate space command in Amarr system for extended periods and were routinely patrolling the stargates and stations to drive home their advantage. For the first time in the war we were left with no real answer to the loyalist numerical strength and organisation and it was time to go back to the drawing board find an answer to this tactical dilemma. Asymmetric Warfare rides again Free Captains are nothing if not resourceful however, and the answer wasnÆt long in coming. Star Fraction has prided itself on innovation and flexibility and our long wars on the 0.0 frontier and such famed conflicts as the now legendary Great Northern War had prepared our commanders and strategists for the alternation in patterns and patrol dynamics required to neutralise the heavy fleet advantage of the CVA backed Amarrian loyalists in the Throne Worlds. Light raiding wolfpacks were the solution! The Star Fraction industrial backbone provides almost limitless numbers of the finest high technology frigate hulls including Crow and Taranis class interceptors, Jaguar and Stiletto, Ishkur and Hawk and a broad range of tech2 modules and equipment required to make these vessels truly deadly and so it was the case that we had all the weaponry we needed to strike back against the cumbersome beast of Amarrian fleet supremacy and dance aside from their weight in numbers and drive the precision dagger of our raiding wolfpack deep into the breast of their unwary number elsewhere. When we were outnumbered we would counterattack with massed frigate wings to wreak havoc in the enemy rear areas. Where we had the advantage we would upship to heavy raiders and strike fast without warning. It was tactical flexibility at its finest and made possible by the huge logistical planning undertaken by campaign planners well before the onset of the war. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.01 20:40:00 - [4] Early deployment of this tactic saw immediate improvements with the first raid costing us 5 single seat tech2 frigates (immediately replaced from our factories that produce 24 of each a week) while scoring in turn the destruction of a CVA Tempest Class battleship, and costing the Caldari Legionaries of CAIN a Drake class Battlecruiser, A Curse Class Recon cruiser, Vexor class cruiser and managing to trap and execute a lone PIE captain Udyr Vulpayne, who was sent screaming to the cloning bays by SF ace Sakura Nihil. It was very noticeable that the increased number of interceptor class vessels in theatre was having a deeply detrimental effect on the life expectancy of loyalist capsuleers û and a rare thing for an enemy to escape with implants and current mortality from the wreckage of ships falling to our raiders. A minor but significant morale hit, and definitive an innovation that these religious zealots disliked intensely. Vigilia Valeria out of the war Mediocre fleet performance and a generally minor participation level with all accomplishments of note appearing on the backs of more organised and capable allies. It came as no great surprise to discover that Vigilia Valeria was the first major alliance level casualty of the fighting allowing their concord wardec to lapse without re declaration in the third week of the war. No public notification was made of their failure to keep their leaders proud boast however, but letÆs take a moment to remind ourselves of the words spoken: Quote: ôA few days ago the anarchists of The Star Fraction have declared war on our allies, PIE Inc. This unprovoked aggression cannot and will not be tolerated. For this reason, as of today, the Vigilia Valeria Alliance [-VV-] has opened hostilities towards The Star Fraction. The state of war will be maintained until such time as The Star Fraction retreat from Amarr, retract their war or cease to threaten normal trade and traffic in Amarr. ûGazon, 1st Praetorian Guardö Vigilia Valeria vessels crept quietly back to the mission-running areas in Misaba and left the war and their oathÆs unfinished a long way from the Throne Worlds. Amarrian Unity at its best û SF vessels still defiantly fighting the good fight in Amarr and harrying all declared Amarrian loyalists with increasing violence and deadly precision and the war against PIE still very much declared and in force. Asymmetric Raids taste Blood The next few days saw the asymmetric warfare continue û CVA and allies would bring lumbering fleets to the Throne Worlds and demand and chide and challenge and openly insult the Free Captains from the now largely impotent command decks of their golden barges and in response the Free Captains would form up large raiding wings of fast high technology vessels and strike hard and deep against Amarrian interests elsewhere and anywhere in known space. The fighting was occasionally heavy and as the Amarrians struggled to adjust their own tactics to confront this nimble and insistent opponent there were losses on both sides though the impetus had almost totally shifted back to the Star Fraction with our full ability to choose targets and engagements that suited our strategy and denied the Amarrians almost all of their traditional advantages. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.01 20:41:00 - [5] For the cost of 7 tech2 frigates, a basilisk class logistics cruiser, and Eris class Interdictor and a lone Rupture class cruiser we were able to account for 6 enemy tech2 frigates, 4 cruisers, 2 Battlecruisers and 4 more executions of enemy capsule pilots from the wreckage and more importantly, we could go where we choose, fight where we wanted too, move with complete freedom and shut down all loyalist movement outside their largely static heavy fleets. The ex PIE admiral Gaven LokÆri himself paid a price for his overconfidence in this manner, for while a CVA fleet were ôblockadingö what they assumed was SF fleet capability in Amarr a light raiding force blew his Harbinger class Battlecruiser to pieces and scrambled his pod in the wreckage to usher him personally into his next reincarnation. The situation continued to improve and the next 24 hours saw the Fraction raiding gangs travelling from Amarr and the Throne worlds to the depths of Providence and back again, striking without warning and without mercy to take the lives of CVA and their allies anywhere they were found. For the loss of a single Crow class interceptor we destroyed: 4 Battleships (2 Abaddons, Raven, Dominix) a Vagabond class Heavy Assault Cruiser, a Myrmidon class Battlecruiser, 4 tech1 cruisers, a pair of Interceptor class frigates and a further eight capsule pilot executions to drive the message solidly home. Nowhere is space is safe from the reach of the Star Fraction in a declared war. Amarrian Morale slipping in the Throne Worlds û A duel to remember Amarrian casualties continued to mount the following day with SF forces finding cause to clear Amarr Prime again from CVA counterattack with a pair of Battleships (Maestrom and Megathron) Munin class Heavy Assault Cruiser, and three tech2 frigates being slain over the course of the day for the exchange of 4 SF Battlecruisers and 4 tech2 frigates of various grades. But prize of place for the days fighting was the single combat victory of Free Captain Kin OreynÆs Thorax class cruiser over CVA pilot CountingCurses in a Zealot class Heavy assault Cruiser under the shadow of the EmperorÆs Statue at the Academy Station. Bringing pure guts and relentless combat talent to the fore the dashing Captain Oreyn charged the startled CVA Zealot commander and rapidly overcame the enhanced defences and firepower of the Amarrian vessel to win a famous victory for the Star Fraction that would go on to be broadcast on all the leading holonetworks across the inner sphere that day. Thorax vs Zealot û a brilliant result for Gallente panache over Amarrian pride and adding insult to injury the cheeky Captain Oreyn quickly docked his trusty thorax to return with a salvage vessel and managed to extract almost 100m isk worth of rare components from the breached hull of his deposed adversary. Combat zeal and economic smarts û truly the mindset of a Free Captain! Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.01 20:42:00 - [6] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 01/05/2007 20:52:42 The Rise of the Amarrian Foreign Legion (AM reformed) Over the week rumours reached us of the reformation of the Aegis Militia alliance and incorporation of various non-Amarrian ôforeign legionnairesö who were pledging their lives and purpose and political cause to support the interests of the Amarrian paramilitaries in the Throne Worlds conflict. Alongside the traditional member corporations of Aegis Militia these included CAIN (Caldari nationalists who have once been members of the ill-fated Kimotoro Directive) and Intaki Union (who had actually fought on the side of Star Fraction against the loyalist Gallente pilots of the Cyrene Initiative. Together this new Aegis Militia would truly represent the expressed ideal of doing ôall that is necessaryö to defend the interests of Amarrian nationalism and by uniting Caldari, Intaki, and Amarrian cultures in one united Axis would prove a point the Star Fraction had long made in our ideological material û that nationalists of all creeds would put aside differences and specific interests to oppose the posthuman independence movements since these represent a far more pressing challenge to baseline hierarchy than the old disputes and national interests of times passed. That is to say û to be a nationalist is more important than to be ôCaldari, or Intaki, or even Amarrianö in the big picture. The real fight before us is between ônationalismö are ôindependenceö and it will be no surprise in the future to see Republican loyalists from the Matari sphere join this kind of ôforeign legionö when it becomes time to oppose the hypocrisy and corruption of Karin Midular and her creatures. Interesting certainly and it has led to the creation of an alliance with considerably more courage and vitality than the likes of the fallen Vigilia Valeria and the relatively comatose PIE Inc organisation. For the remainder of week 4 weÆd see Aegis Militia step up and contest our domination of space in a way the purist Amarrian paramilitaries appeared to lack the stomach for. One wonders if in times to come these ôlegionnairesö will entirely transcend their nationalist roots and baseline politics and evolve into a movement beyond national politics altogether. One can only wait and see. Battle of Ashab Gate and Aftermath The first coordinated action of the reformed Aegis Militia was to attempt to wrest space control from Star Fraction in the Throne Worlds with a large and capable war fleet involving pilots from each of their disparate united factions and mixing Amarrian damage dealing with Caldari EW and Gallente drone control for a truly dangerous combined fleet. Taking early an early loss of a Curse Class Recon cruiser in Amarr Prime system the Star Fraction Free Captains made preparations and upgraded the class of their own ships to heavier hulls and prepared for a formal clash of fleets on our own terms. What followed was a brutal close range battle in Ashab system described elsewhere in detail by Free Captain Backalley Anna, in which SF forces destroyed four Aegis Militia battleships (Rokh, Apocalypse, Raven, Dominix) for the loss of a single Fraction Armageddon to hold the field and begin a night of high carnage against the various loyalist forces in the vicinity. In the skirmishing that followed at the cost of a single Drake class Battlecruiser and a pair of interceptors, the Star Fraction forces disposed of: two ArmageddonÆs and a single Typhoon class Battleship, a pair of Hurricane class Battlecruisers, 5 tech1 Cruisers of various hull types, 2 interceptor class vessels and a random slew of tech1 frigates and shuttles of various grades and 5 further executions of loyalist pilots to claim near complete superiority in Throne World space. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.01 20:43:00 - [7] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 01/05/2007 20:48:23 Return of the Combat Pi±ata Beginning as well as the previous day ended, a Star Fraction heavy raiding patrol scored a flawless victory over a CVA detachment in Bhizheba system, eliminating a Zealot class Heavy Assault Cruiser, Curse class Recon Cruiser, Brutix Class Battlecruiser and pride for place in the action û a faction module fitted Raven class Battleship piloted by Arthur McFredic of the Polaris Project. From the wreckage of this proud example of Caldari engineering the Free Captains recovered enough valuable loot to pay our concord wardec fees for many weeks to come. WeÆd like to thank the good captain McFredric for his generous donation and wish him all the best for his financial recovery because weÆd love to see similarly equipped vessels on the battlefield much more often! Star Fraction returns to fleet Supremacy in Amarr Our confidence growing by each engagement against the apparently diminished morale and commitment of the Amarrian allies (who understandably were beginning to murmur darkly about the lack of PIE combat vessels in the warzone) the following day saw the balance of casualties significantly in our favour with 3 enemy Battleships (Hyperion, Dominix, Typhoon) 3 Battlecruisers, 4 tech1 cruisers, 2 tech2 frigates and even a Kestrel class suicide frigate destroyed (with another 6 pod executions) in exchange for a Battleship loss (Megathron) a single Hurricane downed, a lone Thorax class vessel destroyed, and a pair of tech2 frigates wrecked by loyalist forces. Prize kill of the day was doubtless against Garreck of the Amarr Border Defence Consortium who lost his Hyperion Class Battleship while attempting the familiar dock/undock/dock/undock game so beloved of the Amarrians and their slaves. Rapid scan-probing by Star Fraction ace Atandros of Tabula Rasa even discovered Garrecks capsule at a safe spot close by and he was executed without ceremony by heavy electron blaster slugs at close range. All in all a very rewarding day but better yet was to come ûfar better. Bloody Sunday Reversed û Star Fraction Fraction Ascendant. The day began with another punishment raid deep into CVA claimed territory in Providence and at the cost of a single Taranis class interceptor the SF raiding force was able to eliminate a series of CVA ômeatshieldö class combatants (who derive their standings from CVA central command and are thus hostile to SF in 0.0) and a pair of Myrmidon class Battlecruisers including one belonging to the owner of the CVAÆs Headquarters the notorious ôInflatable Teenö who offered just too tempting a target to ignore so she was subsequently podded for good measure with the corpse recovered as a trophy for the CosmopoliteÆs laboratory. Matters in empire had remained relatively quiet with a pair of CAIN Drake class Battlecruisers being taken out with no loss, but towards evening the signs arose of a large Aegis Militia fleet forming with the intent of contesting Star Fraction space control in Amarr once again. Laying their cards on the table with an impressive initial mixed force of around 15 vessels in system Aegis Militia brought their fleet to Amarr and fell to ôcampingö the Emperor Academy Station for a time while Star Fraction scouts watched and assessed the enemy force in and around Amarr and our fleet commanders drew plans to counter it as opportunity arose. Choosing shortrange high damage battleships as preference the Star Fraction fleet commander decided on a plan to undock directly into the enemy group and fight tooth and nail outside the station but seemingly alerted to this possibility by the raised hairs on the back of their necks, the Aegis Militia group withdraw from their position back into Ashab system and we presumed they were awaiting for reinforcements to improve their odds against our 13 pilots. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.01 20:44:00 - [8] Deciding for immediate pursuit before AM could reform and strengthen their group the SF wing plunged towards the Ashab gate with a heavy squadron numbering (4 Megathrons, Maelstrom, Hyperion, Abaddon, Dominix + Absolution and a pair of smaller support cruisers) in full intention to jump through and tackle the loyalist group on the other side. The plan was successful and the Star Fraction held cloak while primaries were decided and called and everyone breathed a silent prayer to whatever gods and tokens of fortune they revered before the violence began with awesome noise and exchange of weaponry in a close range knife fight of an engagement. Over the course of the next nine minutes three Star Fraction Megathron class Battleships were destroyed one by one by massed and then sporadic fire of the Aegis Militia group while in return we cut the heart out of the enemy squadron destroying seven battleships (3 Ravens, Dominix, Typhoon, Armageddon and Scorpion) a single EOS class Command Battlecruiser, 5 Battlecruisers (2 Hurricanes, Myrmidon, Ferox, Harbinger), 6 tech one cruisers of various hull types, and 3 capsule occupants executed in various lulls in the fighting. (It is to be noted that only a single vessel involved in the fighting flew PIE identifying signals û the Harbinger class Battlecruiser of Ma RaiaÆl) Following the battle the remaining SF force (with depleted ammo and capacity charges and somewhat heavily damaged armour belts) held the field for a further eight minutes to claim looting rights and salvaged with light cruisers while Aegis Militia reshipped and prepared for a second round! The decision was made to withdraw and repair and rearm however, and in the confusions and electronic disruptions inevitably following such engagements a fleet issue Stabber hull was lost to a secondary Aegis Militia fleet comprised of mainly EW capable Battleships and cruisers. But so confused was this engagement that CAIN pilot Zevrik lost his Drake class battlecruiser to Concord invention and this loss might inadvertently triggered the AM decision to retreat and yield space control for the evening. Certainly nothing remained of the Aegis Militia presence in space when the re-armed and repaired SF heavy group begin scouting for its own secondary attack and this signalled the end of the second battle of the Ashab gate and the heaviest fighting in Operation Slaughterhouse to date. Amarr suppressed û loyalist morale further reduced Since the fleet battle in Ashab Aegis Militia presence has been limited and more or less totally abandoned by the other elements of the Amarrian nationalist bloc they have been unable to make significant headway in claiming space superiority back from the Star Fraction patrols. In the 48 hours following the defeat of their grand fleet the Aegis Militia has managed to destroy a further 3 interceptor class frigates and a lone Thorax class hull from the SF fleet. In return the SF patrols (without much in the way of organised resistance opposing them) have destroyed 2 Battleships (Armageddon and Dominix) 7 tech1 cruisers of various hulls, 2 interceptors, an assortment of tech1 frigates and industrial vessels, and a further nine loyalist capsules with their occupants executed by our victorious warriors. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.01 20:45:00 - [9] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 01/05/2007 20:50:25 Conclusion And this is the state of play at the close of week 4. Following a very difficult period where we persevered against the numbers and the odds against the main strength of the united Amarrian bloc we have fought through to the other side and discovered the loyalist unified front is somewhat illusionary. Indeed, while content to allow others to carry the fighting on their behalf the leaders of PIE Inc. are largely absent from the theatre altogether. Archbishop might well find time to write sermons boasting about the production abilities of his personal workshops but we assure the Galnet public weÆve seen no proof of these vessels reaching space and helping the Amarrian loyalists carry their burden of the fighting. There are perhaps a handful of PIE combatants that have earned our respect in some way and these the personalities that appear each night alone and unsupported to try and pick off lone SF vessels and seek duels of honour amongst the Throne Worlds and to these weÆll offer salute as warriors might to a worthy foe. But to the rest, those Galnet personalities who speak with mighty bluster but make no presence in space to oppose our vessels and weaponry, nothing but pity can be shown. And then we have Vigilia Valeria and their sworn intent to remain in the fight till Star Fraction is driven from Amarr or forced to withdraw our wardec against PIE. Laughable in truth, their stomach for the fighting lasted a little over three weeks and now they leave Aegis Militia and their pan-nationalist coalition to carry their burden of honour they boasted so loudly of possessing. It hardly needs more comment than this. So there we have it. The Star Fraction has seen the worst that CVA can do. We have broken the resolve of Vigilia Valeria and we have chased PIE to who knows where? Thereby reducing this over-proud edifice of Amarrian conceit to a mere scattering of disunited remnants kissing the feet of Caldari legionnaires and Intaki Unionists and begging to be allowed to send single ships into 20 strong gangs to pretend they are truly capable of ôdefendingö anything (let alone the Amarrian Throneworlds). Quite a picture û and we hope itÆs an inspiring one for anyone wishing to throw off the yoke of Amarrian rule and claim for themselves the freedoms and power we unquestionably own as Free Captains of the Star Fraction Statistics Operation Slaughterhouse SF have lost 18 Battleships, 1 Command Ship, 10 Battlecruisers, 7 tech2 Cruisers, 9 tech1 Cruisers, 5 Assault Frigates, 42 Interceptors and 18 Capsules to Amarrian+allied action so far in the operation. The Amarrian Bloc has lost 44 Battleships, 3 Command Ships, 32 Battlecruisers, 9 tech2 Cruisers, 49 tech1 Cruisers, 5 Assault Frigates, 31 Interceptors and 73 Capsules to SF action so far in the operation. (This represents 277 kills vs 117 over the course of 18 days) The current Star Fraction ôtop gunsö for the campaign are Cirale and The Cosmopolite of Jericho Fraction. Special recognition this week must also go to SF pilots Kin Oreyn and Bacchanalian who have committed to a wide variety of combat operations and supported revolution with distinction and valour and will each be receiving an Interceptor class vessel of their choice from the Jericho Fraction shipyards. Star Fraction is recruiting
Tomahawk Bliss INTAKI UNION Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.05.01 21:33:00 - [10] well written as always Jasmine. couple of points though, In no way does SF hold space superiority, you stay most docked in amarr and when you are out it is in ceptor fleets or in large battleship fleets. In deed you rarely even venture out when we present battle and wait until more pilots log into their pod. It is prudent of course, but does not grant space superiority. Indeed you have been avoided CVA fleet entirely. I'm all for propaganda and padding one's ego (if you hadn't noticed) but that suggestion, where SF hold space superiority is in no way legit. Also you have seen less forces because of another business that has come up that takes precedence. Allied command is well aware of each others actions and everyone supports what is going on. In time you will know I am sure, why the entire cluster will know. But for now trust that while you twiddle away in Amarr the allied block makes great gains. SF are indeed a good diversion but donÆt kid yourself into thinking you are the greatest threat to allied dominance. oh and one more thing, I am not a Matari turn coat just because I hate the Republic. Just soyou know, I wanted to point that out. I have nothing against the various tribes, it is the republic government I detest. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Bacchanalian Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.01 21:39:00 - [11] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss well written as always Jasmine. couple of points though, In no way does SF hold space superiority, you stay most docked in amarr and when you are out it is in ceptor fleets or in large battleship fleets. In deed you rarely even venture out when we present battle and wait until more pilots log into their pod. It is prudent of course, but does not grant space superiority. Indeed you have been avoided CVA fleet entirely. Hrm. I've personally been undocked and on patrols for 18 of the last 30 hours in vessels including frigate-sized ships, cruisers, battlecruisers, and a Megathron. The fact that I have not seen you in space once in that time period leads me to believe your information may be mistaken. Star Fraction is recruiting, join the revolution!
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.01 21:44:00 - [12] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss well written as always Jasmine. couple of points though, In no way does SF hold space superiority, you stay most docked in amarr and when you are out it is in ceptor fleets or in large battleship fleets. In deed you rarely even venture out when we present battle and wait until more pilots log into their pod. It is prudent of course, but does not grant space superiority. Indeed you have been avoided CVA fleet entirely. Obviously we'll agree to disagree. I commend this war diary to the Galnet public as an accurate account of the situation in space. And I believe the firm combat statistics and records of the fighting support this interpretation. But lets not "do a rodj" and get into a silly slanging match. You told your version of events and we respected your right to speak. Now we tell ours. The neutral public will make up its own mind. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.01 21:51:00 - [13] As ever, the factionista rhetoric is inaccurate. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation The Guardian Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.01 21:56:00 - [14] The beauty of watching a massive bloc of Amarrian demagogues suffer a bitter and crumbling defeat at the hands of less than a hundred pilots brings joy to my heart. I only wish that I could see the look on Rodj Blake's face, right now. Poor, senile old man. Makes you almost feel sorry for him, doesn't it? Press on, Star Fraction. Whether or not I agree with your goals, the means by which you strive for them fills me with admiration and envy. Although the fact that even were I to join your alliance this second, engaging in active duty a few minutes afterwards, I'd still never get to so much as see the tail-end of a PIE Inc ship does make me a little disappointed though. Seems that PIE Inc. are perfectly content to talk big about defending the sanctity of their homeland, yet when it comes to actually doing it... are they ACTUALLY using the Intaki Union as mercenaries? What happened to Amarrian superiority, the master race, God's chosen? Where was God when Star Fraction broke upon CAIN at the gate? If this is the best that Amarrian society can offer by way of strategic force, I see no reason why the Minmatar government is the least bit afraid of them. In fact, if this is the state of the Amarrian paramilitary defence, I don't understand exactly why the Minmatar don't control half of Domain by now.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation The Guardian Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.01 21:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Rodj Blake As ever, the factionista rhetoric is inaccurate. As ever, the Amarrians provide denouncements and decrees, but fail to back them up with hard evidence.
GulletSplitter Minmatar Colonial Fleet Services	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:14:00 - [16] This is a very interesting read indeed. As a third party and a relatively new pod pilot, I find the amount of ships being bandied about as destroyedàwellàunfathomable. As both sides put out propaganda (or evangelism depending on the side), I find myself more and more drawn to the enfolding story. IÆd love to see Rodj Blake or PIE rebuttal the fact that their fleet doesnÆt appear to be active. SF appears to listing solely ships from the other Amarr/Nationalist paramilitary groups. Maybe PIE is just the ômoney manö in the transaction.
Ma Raia'l Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:23:00 - [17] Edited by: Ma Raia''l on 01/05/2007 22:19:35 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Rodj Blake As ever, the factionista rhetoric is inaccurate. As ever, the Amarrians provide denouncements and decrees, but fail to back them up with hard evidence. The Star Fraction war records currently lists not only CAIN and The Aegis Militia(corp) as seperate entries, it also lists the Aegis Militia alliance as a whole. This leads to duplicate entires, so tell me, how accurate is counting something twice?
Ituralde Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:29:00 - [18] Originally by: Ma Raia'l Edited by: Ma Raia''l on 01/05/2007 22:19:35 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Rodj Blake As ever, the factionista rhetoric is inaccurate. As ever, the Amarrians provide denouncements and decrees, but fail to back them up with hard evidence. The Star Fraction war records currently lists not only CAIN and The Aegis Militia(corp) as seperate entries, it also lists the Aegis Militia alliance as a whole. This leads to duplicate entires, so tell me, how accurate is counting something twice? Learn to count and get back with us. Our stats do not double-count. The totals are quite clear. The individual records add up to the campaign totals. Its clearly obvious to anyone who isn't intentionally being a moron. _____________________________ Fear is the mind-killer.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:29:00 - [19] Originally by: Ma Raia'l ... currently lists not only CAIN and The Aegis Militia(corp) as seperate entries, it also lists the Aegis Militia alliance as a whole. This leads to duplicate entires, so tell me, how accurate is counting something twice? There is Aegis Militia the corp, Aegis Militia the alliance. CAIN outside Aegis Militia, and CAIN inside Aegis Militia. The complexity is the fault of the many reorganisations in the Amarrian bloc. There is however no double counting whatsoever. So your accusation is false but then we've come to expect that kind of thing from the Amarrians. I think the IGS public know who can be trusted here. Star Fraction is recruiting
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation The Guardian Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:40:00 - [20] Jasmine, let me assure you that, although I think your posthumanism rhetoric is questionable at best, I'd trust you any day over True Amarrians, who believe that God made them in his image. God is, apparently, a balding, clinically impotent, obese old man with a superiority complex, people.
Kovid Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:47:00 - [21] If I was drinking Quafe, it would have been all over the place. ---------------------------------- An informal Star Fraction FAQ \| ----------------------------------
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation The Guardian Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:49:00 - [22] Originally by: Kovid If I was drinking Quafe, it would have been all over the place. Spilling Quafe in your pod is generally inadvisable. However, I am told it makes pod explosions more colourful.
Kovid Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:56:00 - [23] Edited by: Kovid on 01/05/2007 22:52:42 Didn't you hear? I was docked. As we always are according to some people. In actuality I was planetside. ---------------------------------- An informal Star Fraction FAQ \| ----------------------------------
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.01 23:14:00 - [24] Originally by: GulletSplitter This is a very interesting read indeed. As a third party and a relatively new pod pilot, I find the amount of ships being bandied about as destroyedàwellàunfathomable. It is quite a high intensity war in some quarters and you must remember that while we are outnumbered quite radically to the tune of 80 to 800 or thereabouts. We do get the advantage of ready targets and some amongst the enemy forces that don't seem to understand the war is something that involves them personally. (Mostly I suspect this is because internal propaganda in the amarri bloc tries to paint this conflict as something minor - that will just go away if ignored) Quote: As both sides put out propaganda (or evangelism depending on the side), I find myself more and more drawn to the enfolding story. I'm glad you are enjoying it. Makes the effort of composing such reports very worthwhile. Quote: IÆd love to see Rodj Blake or PIE rebuttal the fact that their fleet doesnÆt appear to be active. SF appears to listing solely ships from the other Amarr/Nationalist paramilitary groups. Maybe PIE is just the ômoney manö in the transaction. Well PIE were active during weeks 1 and 2 but the fight seemed to go out of them after we crushed their fleet and executed their CEO in the ruins of her super tanked battleship while the remaining loyalists fled like bugs to the four corners of the system. After that we've mainly seen individuals and loners. As I said in the diary - some of these have won our respect. Kostantin Mort for example never gives up - respects duels, keeps coming back with interceptor after interceptor and his tenacious character can't help but win some acclaim from fellow warriors. But others, well, if they were actually funding the other parts of the nationalist bloc that might be something but I'm honestly not convinced they are. Archbishop boasts about his production facilities producing battleship after battleship in his latest sermon but the Aegis Militia pilots are often reduced to arbitrators and punishers and the like. I suspect they would very much enjoy being supplied with ships by this PIE "admiral" but somehow I just don't think its happening. Star Fraction is recruiting
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.02 03:03:00 - [25] Originally by: Rodj Blake As ever, the factionista rhetoric is inaccurate. Indeed. Do you have something else to offer? I do not see any war reports from PIE, CVA, AM, or CAIN. Perhaps Archbishop might be able to pen an appropriate sermon? Great report Jasmine. The Sani Sabik salute you. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Bacchanalian Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.02 03:12:00 - [26] Originally by: Casserina Leshrac Originally by: Rodj Blake As ever, the factionista rhetoric is inaccurate. Indeed. Do you have something else to offer? I do not see any war reports from PIE, CVA, AM, or CAIN. To be entirely fair, I believe CAIN has been publishing its own reports, though not on GalNet. I could be mistaken though. Star Fraction is recruiting, join the revolution!
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 03:38:00 - [27] Lets see I have my Star Fraction War Diary critique checklist all set for this weeks installment. 1. Star Fraction victory - Check 2. Enemy demoralized - Check 3. Star Fraction the underdog - Check 4. Star Fraction space superiority - Check 5. Enemy quit - Check 6. Attempt to divide and conquer - Check 7. Counting ship kills and not ship value to make it appear one sided - Check 8. Minimum of six posts and 10,000 words - Check 9. Anyone reading it all gets a headache - Check Well it's all here.... I hereby proclaim this an authentic Star Fraction Diary. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 03:48:00 - [28] Edited by: Archbishop on 02/05/2007 03:44:53 Quote 1: As I said in the diary - some of these have won our respect. Kostantin Mort for example never gives up - respects duels, keeps coming back with interceptor after interceptor and his tenacious character can't help but win some acclaim from fellow warriors. Quote 2: But others, well, if they were actually funding the other parts of the nationalist bloc that might be something but I'm honestly not convinced they are. Archbishop boasts about his production facilities producing battleship after battleship in his latest sermon but the Aegis Militia pilots are often reduced to arbitrators and punishers and the like. I suspect they would very much enjoy being supplied with ships by this PIE "admiral" but somehow I just don't think its happening. Who do you think supplies those Interceptors? Just a friendly suggestion but the next time you want to attack someone falsely at least don't do it in the paragraph immediately following the one that disproves your point in the first place. As for other parts of the nationalist bloc the offer has always been there (and indeed was extended already by me). The answer to my offer? We don't need it. Perhaps those flying lowly T1 ships (like myself) do so because we want to? I'll understand if it takes awhile for you to respond Jasmine. Removing your foot from your mouth could take some effort. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Svetlana Scarlet Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.05.02 04:45:00 - [29] Originally by: Bacchanalian To be entirely fair, I believe CAIN has been publishing its own reports, though not on GalNet. I could be mistaken though. The Reserve publishes weekly operational status updates for use by State archivists, Reserve members, and those with interests in the Reserve. They are for informational purposes, not for propaganda. Those people who need to read them know where they are. As far as what a bunch of nonsensically babbling cultists or outrageously arrogant anarchists would like to spin the progress of the conflict into being, the Reserve does not much care. History will show the results of the war in the end, no matter what they are. Anyone claiming victory only a few weeks into the fight is sadly delusional. That will be the only comment the Reserve makes on this or any other of these "war diaries." -- CAPT Svetlana Scarlet CAIN Chief of Diplomatic Staff
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 06:02:00 - [30] If kill loss ratios decided wars, the Matari would be already dead. What has decided this war is that you have managed to do nothing but cause pointless destruction while we have accomplished everything of import for the empire in the last weeks and will continue to do so. Your trying to turn your war into something significant with utterly absurd statements like "but the fight seemed to go out of them after we crushed their fleet" which just makes what might have been a solid an account of the military capability given by the Deceiver to your pilots a waste of air in which you ruin your actual accomplishments in destruction with outright lies. You are still nothing and will remain nothing until you descend to hell and are torn apart by the crews you betrayed there. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 07:14:00 - [31] For once, I must applaud Jasmine for a good read. This war diary has far less of the baseless slander than we have seen in the previous 2. I hope this marks new policy of IGS posting on behalf of Star Fraction. Of course, we loyalists see the events in a somewhat different light than that of the Star Fraction. While the current war is the "main thing" for Star Fraction and has run for about a month by now, most of the Amarrian block has been at war with enemies numbering 5-10 times the numbers of SF for more than a year running by now. So our objectives does not see the current Star Fraction war as much more than a nice way for our pilots to train and/or maintain their combat skills. That may, of course, be subject to change should leadership decide upon it. This perhaps can best be seen by looking at the current statistics regarding losses. According to Star Fraction numbers the Amarrian loyalists number about 800 and has lost 277 ships/pods in the time covered by this diary. That averages to a total of approximately 0,35 ship/pods per pilot over the past 18 days. Doing similar maths we'll see that the Star Fraction losses are 1,46 ships/pods per pilot. I have little doubt that both SF and Loyalist block industrial base will find it very easy to cover such losses. While reading the combat reports of Jasmine Constantine might give some very valuable hints as to the use of tactics, the above numbers should show that strategically the current war is still in it's beginning fase. If some pilots of the Amarr block has decided upon a temporary retraction of hostilities to better prepare for further fighting, that in no way imply that active hostilities will not be resumed at a later stage. But once again, let me congratulate Jasmine Constantine for an interesting (if not unbiased) read of the current events. Octavinus Augustus PS. As it has previously seemed to be VERY important to some pilots how I spend my days, let me put in a note that planetside duties have prevented me from spending any significant time around my pod lately (docked or not) lately, so I cannot claim to have had any direct involvment with the current events. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Razor Jaxx Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.02 07:38:00 - [32] Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 02/05/2007 07:44:19 Octavinus, I must praise you for your masterful wielding of statistical concepts. To further your arithmetical ventures, using the same numbers put forth by Jasmine - and that you appeared to implicitly accept - over the course of this war, each Star Fraction pilot has on average inflicted 3,46 ship/capsule casualties to the paramilitaries & allies, while each paramilitary & allies pilot has on average inflicted 0,15 ship/capsule casualties to the free captains of Star Fraction. I hereby salute the high degree of efficiency of my comrades. May this trend prosper over the course of the war. Edit : I forgot to commend Jasmine on a very entertaining read - while being part of the engagements proper, alongside my brethren of Star Fraction, is a reward in itself, Jasmine's accounts give these engagements added substance, much like the olive makes a perfect Martini, or the onion the perfect Gibson.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 08:15:00 - [33] Originally by: Razor Jaxx Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 02/05/2007 07:44:19 Octavinus, I must praise you for your masterful wielding of statistical concepts. To further your arithmetical ventures, using the same numbers put forth by Jasmine - and that you appeared to implicitly accept - over the course of this war, each Star Fraction pilot has on average inflicted 3,46 ship/capsule casualties to the paramilitaries & allies, while each paramilitary & allies pilot has on average inflicted 0,15 ship/capsule casualties to the free captains of Star Fraction. I hereby salute the high degree of efficiency of my comrades. May this trend prosper over the course of the war. Edit : I forgot to commend Jasmine on a very entertaining read - while being part of the engagements proper, alongside my brethren of Star Fraction, is a reward in itself, Jasmine's accounts give these engagements added substance, much like the olive makes a perfect Martini, or the onion the perfect Gibson. You're failing to take into account the facts that * Losses are felt across an entire coalition. * Kills are only obtained by those pilots in the theatre. It is precisely these facts that mean that Octavinus' analysis is correct, and your analysis is incorrect. But let's not get too hot under the collar over statistics. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 08:22:00 - [34] Originally by: Razor Jaxx Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 02/05/2007 07:44:19.....using the same numbers put forth by Jasmine - and that you appeared to implicitly accept - over the course of this war, each Star Fraction pilot has on average inflicted 3,46 ship/capsule casualties to the paramilitaries & allies, while each paramilitary & allies pilot has on average inflicted 0,15 ship/capsule casualties to the free captains of Star Fraction. I hereby salute the high degree of efficiency of my comrades. May this trend prosper over the course of the war. First of all, I hope my previous post on the topic did in fact show that while I think that killboard comparisons might be interesting when reviewing tactical performance, I think they are less usefull on a strategic level. Second, I am concerned more with strategic performance than tactical, so I haven't gone over Jasmines numbers (as I feel they are near irrelevant to that aspect). Consequently, I cannot in any way comment on their validity. I merely used them to make a point. I have little doubt however, that you (and SF in general) feel that your numbers are correct, so let's use them for now in this discussion. Third, I don't think you can turn the numbers around to show efficiency as you have tried. To do so implies that all pilots on each side is involved in the fighting - which is simply not so. A more correct way of implying efficiency would be for you to sum up how many pilots are actually present on your killboards and then doing your statistic comparisons on those numbers. Personally I would also question such a comparison as it does not take into account the ships/actions/objectives undertaken at the time of the kill (ie gettinig ganked in a hauler doesn't really speak volumes of a pilots fighting efficiency). On the other hand, my personal view is that any pilot in a corporation will always provide something to that corporations industrial base (although what will be provided varies greatly). So comparisons of losses to the industrial base is relevant. And as we have no way of ascertaining the actual industrial base of a corporation I simply assumed that it's directly proportional to the number of pilots in an organisation. My point in the previous post was never to show that "we are winning, you are losing". Victory is determined on a strategic level rather than on a tactical one, and as I have stated kill/loss statistics are irrelevant on the strategic level. The point was simply that the losses suffered on both sides should be easily covered by the respective industrial bases. I also think that Jasmine Constantine has implied as much with the note that losing 5 or 6 interceptors in a day is irrelevant as Star Fraction produces more than 20 in the same amount of time. So if it is fair for me to assume that Star Fractions 80 man industrial base can cover the losses you have suffered so far, would it not be equally fair for you to assume that the 800 man Amarr block can do likewise? Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 08:28:00 - [35] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 02/05/2007 08:25:03 And now, to answer those critics who derided my first post on this thread as lacking in substance, I shall now explain why I believe the factionista rhetoric here to be inaccurate. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine The hammer and the anvil (Amarr ascendant) So now comes the test, the third week of the war, Operation Judas Goat complete and Operation Slaughterhouse in full swing and the full power of the Amarrian capsule paramilitaries focused on the 80 brave Free Captains of the Star Fraction striving to maintain space superiority and consistent military pressure on the increasingly beleaguered PIE Inc. What a glorious struggle, what mighty symbolism and powerful example for any desiring freedom and independence in these times of technological change and infinite possibility û these were the moments we were born to experience and in confronting and humiliating these nationalist servants of the decaying imperial empire of the Throne Worlds we were truly and absolutely alive. Full power of the capsule paramilitaries? You flatter yourself. At any time only a small fraction of the combined total of loyalist pilots are active in theatre. The fact of the matter is that SF is simply not important enough to face the full power of the loyalists. Increasingly beleaguered PIE Inc? Bearing in mind that this war has had approximately zero impact on our operational integrity, that comment is somewhat bizarre. Quote: But military realities are still pressing, and though each Free Captain is truly worth many of the individual nationalist paramilitary slaves pressed into service of loyalist militia organisations, it is not a time for complacency and foolish actions. Swift decisions, cunning war tactics, decisive manoeuvre and preservation of material and equipment becomes vital in the face of such absolute numbers and bitter ranked hateful loyalist fleets sent against us in great number. Again, they may be great numbers to you, but not necessarily to us. As for us being hateful, we don't hate you. We pity you. Quote: The Amarrian way of war is simple. Superior numbers, heavy defences, rank upon rank of laser batteries and brute force. They think the finest accomplishment of the warrior is to stand in line and exchange blow upon blow, direct and simplistic, coherent light upon reflective compound until either combatant falls to explosive failure and reactor overload for the glory of God. It is primitive but effective, and against a foe who cannot counter with paradigm shift in tactical thinking it is deadly. And yet when we have varied from this model, we have been accused of being desperate. Quote: And this is what we would face in the days ahead. Numerically-superior Amarrian vessels arrayed in great number and close file formation. Armageddon, Apocalypse and Abaddon class battleships, Harbinger and Prophesy class Battlecruisers, all primed with lasers and plates and fixed with static discipline while their commanders expected us to give battle against the odds and weight of firepower for the inevitability of Amarrian victory and the quenching of our revolutionary souls. If we expected you to give us battle against our superior numbers, it is only because of the factionista mouthpieces who have previously boasted that they will willingly undock against vastly superior forces. It's just a shame that the SF rhetoric seldom matches reality in space. More to follow! Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 08:35:00 - [36] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 02/05/2007 08:31:00 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine They had assembled a vast coalition from all races and corners of the star cluster; loyal pure blood Amarrians, Ni-Kunni and Khanid slave warriors, Caldari legionnaires, Gallente mercenaries, Matari turncoats and every kind of opportunistic villain that could be tempted by Amarrian isk to join the muster and oppose the bright light of anarchy and freedom banishing the shadows of Amarrian nationalism from the Throne Worlds. We have never used ISK to attract allies to our side, unlike your good friends in The Sani Sabik alliance. If foreigners choose to fight us, perhaps it is because you despise their way of life almost as much as you despise ours. Quote: Nationalists of many creeds and backgrounds united against the outnumbered but undaunted pilots of the Star Fraction. The armies of convention and hierarchy marching against the dream of freedom, this would be a clash of ideals and culture, of brute force against innovation, of tyranny against hope and there could only be one winner when the dust settled. The only freedoms offered by SF are the freedom to do as commanded by Jade Constantine and the freedom to follow the blasphemous teachings of The Cosmopolite. More to follow! Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr A Better Future	Posted - 2007.05.02 10:15:00 - [37] Originally by: Rodj Blake Quote: Nationalists of many creeds and backgrounds united against the outnumbered but undaunted pilots of the Star Fraction. The armies of convention and hierarchy marching against the dream of freedom, this would be a clash of ideals and culture, of brute force against innovation, of tyranny against hope and there could only be one winner when the dust settled. The only freedoms offered by SF are the freedom to do as commanded by Jade Constantine and the freedom to follow the blasphemous teachings of The Cosmopolite. You forget the "freedom of being bullied and oppressed by thugs". Where ever the SF goes the winner is always the hordes of diseased scavengers following in their wake. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Razor Jaxx Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.02 11:15:00 - [38] Originally by: Rodj Blake You're failing to take into account the facts that * Losses are felt across an entire coalition. * Kills are only obtained by those pilots in the theatre. It is precisely these facts that mean that Octavinus' analysis is correct, and your analysis is incorrect. But let's not get too hot under the collar over statistics. One could equally argue that : * Losses are incurred only by those pilots in the theatre. * Kills are the fruit of alliance collaboration, from the financiers to the manufacturers to the combat pilots to the PR gurus. See, I can use words to back up statistics also. And following your logic, you would, in the interest of the coalition, look to minimize losses (since those are 'felt' by the coalition in its entirety), and what better way to achieve this than by having zero pilots in the theatre? But maybe this goes a long way to explain PIE's relative absence from the theatre of operations. Our philosophy is that when we declare war, we commit assets and human resources TO the theatre, not AWAY from it. I'm guessing therein lie our differences.
Razor Jaxx Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.02 11:47:00 - [39] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus First of all, I hope my previous post on the topic did in fact show that while I think that killboard comparisons might be interesting when reviewing tactical performance, I think they are less usefull on a strategic level. Unfortunately, weekly progress (the objective of Jasmine's diary) can only be measured by the success - or lack thereof - of tactical engagements. It is indeed much too early in the war to even consider overall victory or defeat. I also agree that it is strategy that determines the objectives of a war campaign, and that victory or defeat is obtained by achieving, or failing to achieve, said goals. Tactics, however, have their importance in monitoring day-to-day war progress. Where strategy is the what, tactics are the how. Quote: Third, I don't think you can turn the numbers around to show efficiency as you have tried. To do so implies that all pilots on each side is involved in the fighting - which is simply not so. A more correct way of implying efficiency would be for you to sum up how many pilots are actually present on your killboards and then doing your statistic comparisons on those numbers. Personally I would also question such a comparison as it does not take into account the ships/actions/objectives undertaken at the time of the kill (ie gettinig ganked in a hauler doesn't really speak volumes of a pilots fighting efficiency). On the other hand, my personal view is that any pilot in a corporation will always provide something to that corporations industrial base (although what will be provided varies greatly). So comparisons of losses to the industrial base is relevant. And as we have no way of ascertaining the actual industrial base of a corporation I simply assumed that it's directly proportional to the number of pilots in an organisation. See my answer to Rodj in that regard. Kills AND losses are scored and suffered by individuals, but are made possible and felt by the entire coalition. To argue that losses are felt by the entire coalition while kills are the result of individual prowess only is a fallacy and intellectually dishonest - my counterpoint was there just to prove that, as it is just as falsely dishonest, by the way. Statistics can be made to tell whatever we want to. Case in point. Quote: My point in the previous post was never to show that "we are winning, you are losing". Victory is determined on a strategic level rather than on a tactical one, and as I have stated kill/loss statistics are irrelevant on the strategic level. Yes and no. Yes, ultimate victory is achieved at the strategic level. No, kills & losses are not irrelevant as they are the only measure of progress we have available, and are an indicator of the level of commitment of the various participants. Kills and losses are also - obviously - the fuel of propaganda and morale, which do play a major role at the strategic level. Quote: The point was simply that the losses suffered on both sides should be easily covered by the respective industrial bases. I also think that Jasmine Constantine has implied as much with the note that losing 5 or 6 interceptors in a day is irrelevant as Star Fraction produces more than 20 in the same amount of time. So if it is fair for me to assume that Star Fractions 80 man industrial base can cover the losses you have suffered so far, would it not be equally fair for you to assume that the 800 man Amarr block can do likewise? The internal workings of Star Fraction and the dedication of its members, the free captains, are what makes it work for us. If you say that the larger paramilitaries + allies coalition can sustain its losses, war costs, et caetera, I am inclined to believe you, and am eagerly looking forward to further engagements.
Grr Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.02 12:33:00 - [40] Jasmine. Our resolve is far from broken, we just dont consider Star Fraction important enough to bother with. If PIE ask for our help it will be there of course.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 12:41:00 - [41] Originally by: Razor Jaxx But maybe this goes a long way to explain PIE's relative absence from the theatre of operations. Our philosophy is that when we declare war, we commit assets and human resources TO the theatre, not AWAY from it. I'm guessing therein lie our differences. Or maybe our pilots have better things to do? You declared war on the loyalists. It's up to you to attack us, not vice versa. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 12:50:00 - [42] As wars are decided on the strategic level, losses should be seen in comparison to the industrial base. If you can agree to this point, you must also conclude that the current losses suffered by the Amarr Loyalists are insignificant to say the least - or otherwise claim that our industrial base is nonexistent. I strongly assume that the situation is the same for Star Fraction. That alone was my point in the posts above. As for your ideas regarding weekly progress being measured by the results of the tactical engagements my answer would be "yes and no". While you may compare your own internal tactical doctrine of last week to the one you employ this week and then see which is more efficient, this only gives you a tool to use on the tactical level - and only within you own organisation. Even this use of killboards is inherently dangerous as it does not take into account the variations in value of the ships you kill/loose. A battleship can be both a Tech II fitted Armageddon with a full set of rigs or a tech I fitted Armageddon with no rigs - both will simply show up in your statistics as "battleships". Strategically you will have to assess wether both you yourselves and your enemies has grown stronger or weaker in the past week to measure your success. Such an assessment will then naturally lead to a notion of wether you are closer to yor overall war objectives. My assessment (right or wrong) is that the Amarr block is stronger now than at the beginning of the war and consequently you are losing the initial engagements on the strategic level - if your aim is to destroy us (as you have officially stated). I have little doubt however, that you will disagree on this point So killboard statistics might prove valuable on the tactical level when assessing the quality of your own internal tactical doctrines, but as I stated above it's more or less useless when it comes to strategy. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 12:57:00 - [43] Quote: Full power of the capsule paramilitaries? You flatter yourself. At any time only a small fraction of the combined total of loyalist pilots are active in theatre. The fact of the matter is that SF is simply not important enough to face the full power of the loyalists. Increasingly beleaguered PIE Inc? Bearing in mind that this war has had approximately zero impact on our operational integrity, that comment is somewhat bizarre. Agreed Admiral Blake I find the fractionistas claims bizarre as well. Given so many are in this "bloc" yet so few Amarrians choose to engage them would indicate one of two things to anyone with a shred of common sense. 1. There is no Amarrian block and it's all a "paper tiger" - already proven false. 2. Star Fraction are in fact irrelevant to the Empire and thus aren't deserving of any attention - reality. Let's look at the facts. 1. Losses sustained are minimal and are totally sustainable - They point out tech one ships while failing to realize thats what they are - tech one ships. 2. Star Fraction has failed to impact the operational functions of PIE and the rest of the Amarrian bloc in any way - people have always shot at us everytime we fly anywhere so nothing new there. 3. Star Fraction has failed to affect the political dynamic of the Empire in any way - pretty obvious. 4. Star Fractions incompetence and ego allowed the Amarrian bloc to escort a Empire dignitary to within one jump of their "stronghold" and allowed him to complete his mission as chronicled - Speaker of Truth Brother Joshua and the fact the Star Fraction were led like mice to the piper eight jumps from Amarr by a single paramilitary then wasted 18 minutes there attempting to insult him in local comms never realizing the true facts until it was too late. 5. Other corporations and alliances will eventually drop war declarations simply because they are bored of the Star Fraction - There are real threats to Amarrian safety out there and those terrorists must be stopped so it isn't expected at all that everyone will fight forever against these smut peddlers and their fleet of rusty holovid hauling Bestowers. Either way I'm sure they will paint it as they tried to paint the brave pilots of Vigilia Valeria in this diary and not with the factual representation that people are just bored of the irrelevence of the whole war and the opponent. Yes the fact is the Star Fraction has succeeded in one thing and one thing only and that would be the accomplishment of making post after post of grandiose claims of their activities while the reality is they've accomplished nothing. We are still here. We will be here in six months. We will be here in a year. We will be here in two years. The sun still rises over the mighty Amarrian Empire every day, we still serve the Empire, we are shot at daily as we have always been, we build new ships daily to replace the old, and we still have honor, integrity and fidelity on our side. You would think given these grandiose claims by this personality driven ego cult that they are doing something "new" and "original". Fact is in my three plus years in PIE there hasn't been a single day I could fly anywhere without being shot at. The only difference with this war is the ability of the enemy to make post after post on IGS and entertain us with 10,000 word war diaries. Nothing else is anything new at all. Call us beleagured when pilots go planetside and are not able to participate, say we're hiding when we fight others who are actually relevant to our Empire, call us defeated when we drop war declarations because we're bored of you. Say what you will (in 1,000 words or less please). We're still here. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation The Guardian Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.02 12:57:00 - [44] I'd have to say that if the war is decided on a measure of how much face the Amarrians have successfully saved, Star Fraction won during the grace period of the war.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 13:04:00 - [45] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris I'd have to say that if the war is decided on a measure of how much face the Amarrians have successfully saved, Star Fraction won during the grace period of the war. How long did you last in EM again? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.02 13:20:00 - [46] Its a little disappointing to see the Amarrian's setting out their excuses for backing out of the war already. If, as a group, we are so insignificant, why did CVA join in to prop up the failing paramilitaries? If, as a group, we are so insignificant, why did the combined Amarrian bloc attempt to hold the core systems and suppress the Star Fraction for as long as the CVA were willing to hold their hands on the front line. If, as a group, we are so insignificant, why has PIEÆs only significant showing in this war been whilst riding on the coat tails of CVA? If, as a group, we are so insignificant, have all attempts to suppress Star Fraction effectively ceased since CVA pulled back to their base? Could it be that weÆre not so insignificant after all and PIE is only confident in facing us when they are shamed into action when big brother comes to visit? On one hand we have SF facing down the entire Amarrian bloc and any lackeys they may wish to beg help from. On the other have PIE make excuses for their inactivity, gutless hiding behind sacrificial lambs and attempting to fight the war with words on Galnet. Which raises one more question: If, as a group, we are so insignificant, why do you expend so much energy trolling any thread containing a post from a member of Start Fraction? -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Argon Caldari Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.02 13:20:00 - [47] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus if your aim is to destroy us (as you have officially stated). I have little doubt however, that you will disagree on this point Our aim for Operation Slaughterhouse is as outlined in our initial declaration, namely: Quote: This next phase of the war will be concluded and a key objective met when the Curatores Veritatis Alliance retracts its declaration of war against the Star Fraction and as it does so surrenders to the reality that they cannot defend the Empire and those who support it. And, at this point, by their lack of presence, they certainly seem unable to defend the empire, those who support it, and more cruically those who have supported them. This of course, goes for PIE as well, prehaps more so, in that with a few notable exceptions, you seem to have been quite content to leave those allies that joined the war to support PIE to fight alone against us. --- Emancipate Yourselves from Slavery to the State - Join Star Fraction Now
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.02 13:26:00 - [48] Originally by: Archbishop Call us beleagured when pilots go planetside and are not able to participate, say we're hiding when we fight others who are actually relevant to our Empire, call us defeated when we drop war declarations because we're bored of you. Say what you will (in 1,000 words or less please). We're still here. Archbishop Is that Gorion under the hood? Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 13:29:00 - [49] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine A bloody toll Against the superior numbers of the Amarrian bloc and their many allies there would be no more easy fights û the skirmish was over, the meeting engagement joined û now came the time for killing and bloody work and flawless victories would be rare, thousands of Fraction crew knew their time was short and as the ever increasing numbers of loyalists came flooding into the Throne worlds the fighting was heavy and vicious. Hardly a flood compared to the overall scope of our operations. Quote: But in the dog-days of the Privateer war our captains continued to harass and score casualties against their number even as we hunted the Amarrians û and certainly whenever the mercenaries showed an opportunity we could exploit we felt it rude not to take it. A Nighthawk Class Command Battlecruiser marked the last major victory of that campaign with a group of free captains overthrowing Privateer Captain Supermisa and driving off the remaining mercenaries in the wake. The end of the happy times and close of a very successful campaign against Privateers all in all. There you go again. What does the war declared on the factionistas by the "military wing" of their closest ally have to do with SF's attempt to unseat Amarrian loyalists from Amarr? More to follow! Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.02 13:30:00 - [50] Originally by: Grr Jasmine. Our resolve is far from broken, we just dont consider Star Fraction important enough to bother with. If PIE ask for our help it will be there of course. Yes of course. That certainly explains how and why you have broken Gazon's pledge. Say no more. Star Fraction is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 13:31:00 - [51] Quote: Its a little disappointing to see the Amarrian's setting out their excuses for backing out of the war already. Continue to delude yourselves then thinking your important it makes no difference to us. I do note that in your response you failed to actually attempt to counter any of the points I laid out above (those 1-5 items). The fact remains you've had no impact on PIE operations at all. Nothing is "new" as compared to any time in PIE history. Business as usual. Very revealing indeed. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.02 13:32:00 - [52] Originally by: Archbishop Continue to delude yourselves then thinking your important it makes no difference to us. I do note that in your response you failed to actually attempt to counter any of the points I laid out above (those 1-5 items). Go write your own War Diary. Maybe we'll come and counter your "points" there. Star Fraction is recruiting
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation The Guardian Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.02 13:38:00 - [53] Originally by: Rodj Blake How long did you last in EM again? Not very long... but that's because it's far more fun to shoot battleship rats for exorbitant ammounts of money out in zerospace than it is to chase haulers and frigates whose cargo and salvage won't even pay for the ammunition used to bring them down. It may be ideologically pleasing, but it's... just no fun to shoot things that don't fight back. Besides, I'd never get to blow you, Gaven or Archbishop up (as you're the central demagogues in PIE), which is essentially the reason I joined - and the reason I left, when I realised that it was rare to see any of you flying, and rarer still to see you flying anything I could feel satisfied with killing. I'm in the podpilot business for fun and profit, not to spend three hours waiting outside an Amarrian space station for a destroyer to undock.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 13:38:00 - [54] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Then came heavy fighting over the next 24 hours: seeing the loss of significant SF assets including 3 Battlecruisers, a pair of cruisers, and several single seat interceptor class frigates in continual fighting with the vanguard elements of the combined Amarrian fleets. In reply we were able to eliminate a 1st Praetorian Guard Armageddon class Battleship under the command of Lowanaera, 2 loyalist Battlecruisers (Harbinger and Myrmidon) and a pair of Malediction class Interceptors provided by PIE in support of their allies. Messy and relatively even, with neither side holding supremacy convincingly in the aftermath of these battles but so much more to come. The following day saw the fighting rising further yet in tempo with a day of heavy losses for the Fraction with our fleet suffering from traps and flank attacks from the Amarrians and their growing confidence from numbers and presence in the Throne worlds. Free Captain losses in the period included 4 battleships (Hyperion, Megathron, Scorpion, Dominix) a Vagabond class Heavy Assault Cruiser and Lachesis class Recon vessel, alongside a Battlecruiser, 2 conventional cruisers and 4 interceptor class frigates. While the Amarrians lost 2 Battleships, 2 Battlecruisers, a handful of tech1 cruisers and a lone interceptor. Things were beginning to look bleak. Finally, some paragraphs that aren't a total fabrication. Well done! Quote: But it is in such times that heroism arises and against the odds and numbers the Fraction continued to strive and confront the Amarrian horde and counterattacked with courage bordering on the reckless in outright defiance of traditional notions of fleet inferiority and balance of firepower. Led by Free Captain Jonny Damodred û Friday 20th saw a radically outgunned wing of SF heavy ships fighting a mobile offensive across several systems from Amarr Prime through Sarum into Hama in an engagement that drove the CVA back to their haunts in Providence for the evening and left a significant butchers bill on both sides with the Fraction losing 2 Battleships (Megathron and Typhoon) an Astarte Class Command Battlecruiser, 4 interceptors and a Celestis class EW cruiser in exchange for loyalist losses of: 4 Battleships (Hyperion, Raven, a pair of ArmageddonÆs) 2 Interceptors and a number of tech1 small vessels scrambled in as impromptu shuttles for the escaping CVA pilots there unshipped. Messy and brutal, but for all their numerical superiority the Amarrians were not untouchable û they could bleed like anyone else. You drove the CVA back to Providence, did you? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that the CVA sent a battlegroup into theatre, and that the SF initially avoided contact with the group before picking off some stragglers as they were returning home? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 13:39:00 - [55] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Its a little disappointing to see the Amarrian's setting out their excuses for backing out of the war already. If, as a group, we are so insignificant, why did CVA join in to prop up the failing paramilitaries? If, as a group, we are so insignificant, why did the combined Amarrian bloc attempt to hold the core systems and suppress the Star Fraction for as long as the CVA were willing to hold their hands on the front line. If, as a group, we are so insignificant, why has PIEÆs only significant showing in this war been whilst riding on the coat tails of CVA? If, as a group, we are so insignificant, have all attempts to suppress Star Fraction effectively ceased since CVA pulled back to their base? Could it be that weÆre not so insignificant after all and PIE is only confident in facing us when they are shamed into action when big brother comes to visit? On one hand we have SF facing down the entire Amarrian bloc and any lackeys they may wish to beg help from. On the other have PIE make excuses for their inactivity, gutless hiding behind sacrificial lambs and attempting to fight the war with words on Galnet. Which raises one more question: If, as a group, we are so insignificant, why do you expend so much energy trolling any thread containing a post from a member of Start Fraction? I think your definition of the word trolling would be somewhat interesting to hear, Mr Schroedinger. Here you find even your enemies applauding one of your members for putting out a well written war diary - and then respecting the effort by pointing out the places where we think it is wrong. In the course of this we simply state that our strategic objectives do not see Star Fraction as a primary enemy to be dealt with. We have other more pressing adversaries and objectives. The Pirate threat in Providence or the terrorist alliance of U'K to mention a few. If you feel that we have stated that you are insignificant as a group I think we have a failure of communication: You are insignificant to us. 1) We have enemies of far greater strength than yourselves. 2) The damage you have so far dealt to the Amarr block is insignificant. 3) Your presence in Amarr is hardly a threat to the empire as you are allowed to use the official facilities of both The Theology Council and The Emperor Family. Unless you feel that anything but a clear statement that the Star Fraction is the most important thing currently in the universe is trolling you I fail to get the point. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 13:40:00 - [56] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Besides, I'd never get to blow you, Gaven or Archbishop up (as you're the central demagogues in PIE), which is essentially the reason I joined - and the reason I left, when I realised that it was rare to see any of you flying, and rarer still to see you flying anything I could feel satisfied with killing. Perhaps you were looking in the wrong place? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 13:43:00 - [57] Mr Argon, just a point of clarification. When I refer to your strategic objectives (ie destroying the Amarr block), I refer to your overall campaign objectives - not those for any given week or two. It is clearly my impression that you wage this war to destroy our glorious way of life. If that is your strategic objectives, I definately think you are losing the initial engagements (on the strategic level). Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.02 13:46:00 - [58] Are you really going to spend 3 pages and 5000 words refuting our War Diary again Rodj? Why not just write your own, make a banner and post it on the forum in its own category? Star Fraction is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 13:49:00 - [59] Quote: Go write your own War Diary. Maybe we'll come and counter your "points" there. Sorry I don't have time as planetside duties call. Then again I've never been much into diary propoganda anyway. I'll leave that to the professionals. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 13:50:00 - [60] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 02/05/2007 13:48:13 Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Its a little disappointing to see the Amarrian's setting out their excuses for backing out of the war already. If, as a group, we are so insignificant, why did CVA join in to prop up the failing paramilitaries? Perhaps rather than seeking to prop up anyone, they fancied some live fire exercise? Quote: If, as a group, we are so insignificant, why did the combined Amarrian bloc attempt to hold the core systems and suppress the Star Fraction for as long as the CVA were willing to hold their hands on the front line. It's not a case of us trying to hold anything. With all of this talk about holding territory I'm beginning to wonder if maybe you're infected by the "territorialist meme" after all! Quote: If, as a group, we are so insignificant, why has PIEÆs only significant showing in this war been whilst riding on the coat tails of CVA? Because this period coincided with our pilots not being allocated on other operations. Quote: If, as a group, we are so insignificant, have all attempts to suppress Star Fraction effectively ceased since CVA pulled back to their base? Because we have better, more important things to do again? Quote: Could it be that weÆre not so insignificant after all and PIE is only confident in facing us when they are shamed into action when big brother comes to visit? Or could it be that we're unwilling to let your taunts about shame goad us into fighting a foe who is irrelevant? Quote: On one hand we have SF facing down the entire Amarrian bloc and any lackeys they may wish to beg help from. The entire Amarrian bloc? Again, a factionista flatters themselves. Quote: On the other have PIE make excuses for their inactivity, gutless hiding behind sacrificial lambs and attempting to fight the war with words on Galnet. We're attempting to fight our wars on the Galnet, are we? Perhaps you would care to add up the number of threads created by the Stir Fiction regarding this war and then compare the result with the number of threads on the subject started by PIE members. Perhaps after doing so you will reconsider your statement. Quote: Which raises one more question: If, as a group, we are so insignificant, why do you expend so much energy trolling any thread containing a post from a member of Start Fraction? I'm not aware of any trolling coming from PIE members. Unless you count pointing out factual inaccuracies in the SF rhetoric as trolling. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 13:56:00 - [61] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Are you really going to spend 3 pages and 5000 words refuting our War Diary again Rodj? Why not just write your own, make a banner and post it on the forum in its own category? I wasn't going to, but then people started belittling my statement that the rhetoric of your diary was inaccurate. So, by popular demand, I reluctantly decided to point out your errors. Of course, if your diary wasn't so full of omissions, half-truths and obfuscations, there wouldn't be such a need to correct it. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Kovid Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.02 14:06:00 - [62] Originally by: Archbishop Quote: Go write your own War Diary. Maybe we'll come and counter your "points" there. Sorry I don't have time as planetside duties call. Then again I've never been much into diary propoganda anyway. I'll leave that to the professionals. Archbishop But you do have time. You spend most of your time in a station trolling the IGS. You write worthless sermons. You might as well write a version of your own. If you actually flew in space defending it then I might understand your limitations. Of course you would actually have a grasp of what is going on instead of having delusions. ---------------------------------- An informal Star Fraction FAQ \| ----------------------------------
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.02 14:15:00 - [63] Originally by: Rodj Blake We're attempting to fight our wars on the Galnet, are we? Perhaps you would care to add up the number of threads created by the Stir Fiction regarding this war and then compare the result with the number of threads on the subject started by PIE members. Perhaps after doing so you will reconsider your statement. Okay lets see. Well we (SF) had a condemnation about the state of Amarrian conceit. Declaration of war. Completion of Judas Goat Start of Slaughterhouse. One AAR piece. And 3 War Diaries so far. Thats 7 pieces? (lets have some fun with statistics now. Given that Star Fraction is up there with 490 odd kills on the war so far (purely aganst the amarrian bloc) that represents about 70 KPT (Kills per topic) Now lets look at PIE. We have many Archbishop "sermons" with various condemations of our practise ... he's up to what 5 now? + your own "troika of evil" - Archbishop again with "operation blessing" couple of Brother Joshua puff pieces. PIE war report 1 + public sermon. Your own "questions" for the star fraction. (I could go on obviously but lets stop there) Thats 12 topics so cross referencing with your corporations war accomplishments against SF (108 kill participations) we get a ratio of 9 TPK (Kills per topic) So I think you can say that SF topics are more than 7x more representative of action in space than PIE topics. Or to put it another way: each PIE topic is worth about 16% the validity level (in terms of in space accomplishment) as a Star Fraction topic. Star Fraction is recruiting
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 14:21:00 - [64] Kills per topic? Thats a good one. I will have to write it down as one of the most amusing absurdities I have seen yet. You are grossly overestimating your own importance if you think even half the topics you pointed out are about you. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 14:22:00 - [65] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake We're attempting to fight our wars on the Galnet, are we? Perhaps you would care to add up the number of threads created by the Stir Fiction regarding this war and then compare the result with the number of threads on the subject started by PIE members. Perhaps after doing so you will reconsider your statement. Okay lets see. Well we (SF) had a condemnation about the state of Amarrian conceit. Declaration of war. Completion of Judas Goat Start of Slaughterhouse. One AAR piece. And 3 War Diaries so far. Thats 7 pieces? (lets have some fun with statistics now. Given that Star Fraction is up there with 490 odd kills on the war so far (purely aganst the amarrian bloc) that represents about 70 KPT (Kills per topic) Now lets look at PIE. We have many Archbishop "sermons" with various condemations of our practise ... he's up to what 5 now? + your own "troika of evil" - Archbishop again with "operation blessing" couple of Brother Joshua puff pieces. PIE war report 1 + public sermon. Your own "questions" for the star fraction. (I could go on obviously but lets stop there) Thats 12 topics so cross referencing with your corporations war accomplishments against SF (108 kill participations) we get a ratio of 9 TPK (Kills per topic) So I think you can say that SF topics are more than 7x more representative of action in space than PIE topics. Or to put it another way: each PIE topic is worth about 16% the validity level (in terms of in space accomplishment) as a Star Fraction topic. I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised that you attempt to massage the figures. At least some of those PIE threads have very little to do with the war, and you know it. And since when was one's right to free speech curtailed by the amount of people killed? Is that the SF concept of free speech? So in summary, yes, SF have posted more topics on this matter than PIE. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.02 14:22:00 - [66] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Kills per topic? Thats a good one. I will have to write it down as one of the most amusing absurdities I have seen yet. You are grossly overestimating your own importance if you think even half the topics you pointed out are about you. Heavens man you even dispute our official KPT calculations now! Will it never end Star Fraction is recruiting
MirrorGod	Posted - 2007.05.02 14:46:00 - [67] Great read, warmed my heart to hear of such defeats for these loyalist pigs. snip your sig is too large. Maximum sig size is 24,000 bytes, your current sig is 40,174 bytes - Karass Sayfo
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 14:51:00 - [68] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 02/05/2007 14:47:36 Not especially. More laughing at them. Please continue to come up with such hilarious "official" statistics. I just find the idea of every thread PIE has started in the last month being about SF to be particularly absurd. It speaks of a certain misplaced hubris on the part of SF. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.02 15:09:00 - [69] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri I just find the idea of every thread PIE has started in the last month being about SF to be particularly absurd. It speaks of a certain misplaced hubris on the part of SF. Its only hubris if we fail. Star Fraction is recruiting
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 15:11:00 - [70] You already have. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.02 15:23:00 - [71] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Grr Jasmine. Our resolve is far from broken, we just dont consider Star Fraction important enough to bother with. If PIE ask for our help it will be there of course. Yes of course. That certainly explains how and why you have broken Gazon's pledge. Say no more. Originally by: Gazon ...or cease to threaten normal trade and traffic in Amarr. It was certainly true at that point. If the situation needs a re-evaluation, it will be re-evaluated (I am currently - unfortunately - not active enough to say whether that is the case or not). 'Dockmonkeys' certainly didn't pose a threat. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Tomahawk Bliss INTAKI UNION Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.05.02 17:16:00 - [72] IÆm just going to add that PIEÆs activity indeed hasnÆt been interrupted. IÆm actually surprised that they havenÆt been impacted as much considering how SF forced the entire CYI alliance all the way into Minmatar space in their war. But then I think SF picked the right system to base in for that war, as opposed to Amarr. Misaba or somewhere in Providence would have been more effective in this conflict. And to say that CVA was ôbeaten backö to Providence is down right laughable. IÆm amazing that was even said. Still I wont say SF has no impact, of course they do you can see the ship losses and kills. But to say they are causing much impact is a bit of a stretch. I suggest SF moves to Misaba or closer to the Amarr Paramilitary center of activity like they did in to the Gallente and the Caldari wars previously. It isnÆt that I think SF canÆt cause more disruption, I think you just picked a rarely used system for ôpropagandaö purposes rather than actually selecting a target location for tactical purposes. I however will not dignify this back and forth about statistics. IÆve been in the winning side of wars where IÆve lost more ships (Curse wars for example) and IÆve been on the losing side of wars where my ratio was through the roof (JQA for example). Move along from the topic. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Natasha Donnan Caldari Fusion Enterprises Ltd DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.05.02 17:25:00 - [73] As a neutral you have to appreciate that the war diaries are excellent. They are well written, exciting and inspiring. Loaded with passion. By contrast PIE replies are poor. The strategy to maintain the line that this is not an important conflict whilst replying endlessly to each war diary is beginning to sound like an empty gong with as much purpose. _________________________________________ The Girl with the really Starey eyes.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 22:52:00 - [74] An accurate tactical reporting, Jasmine. The inaccuracies in strategic assesment will become apparent over time and I'll not argue them in this public setting. Star Fraction run an effective geurilla war, my compliments. However, from my (admittedly limited) involvement, that's precisely what this is, not a full scale cleansing of the Paramilitaries from the Throne Worlds.
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.02 22:57:00 - [75] Originally by: Garreck An accurate tactical reporting, Jasmine. The inaccuracies in strategic assesment will become apparent over time and I'll not argue them in this public setting. Star Fraction run an effective geurilla war, my compliments. However, from my (admittedly limited) involvement, that's precisely what this is, not a full scale cleansing of the Paramilitaries from the Throne Worlds. Yet they are not occupying Amarr right now. No doubt those wishing to engage the Star Fraction are in nearby systems ready to strike again. It would certainly be nice if the Star Fraction decided to expand the conflict to the other throne worlds. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 23:03:00 - [76] Originally by: Casserina Leshrac It would certainly be nice if the Star Fraction decided to expand the conflict to the other throne worlds. It would certainly be nice if the Star Fraction decided to go toe-to-toe with the CVA in lower Domain and Providence, but we can't all get what we want. Star Fraction know better: they're taking full advantage of this publicity stunt, and they're welcome to it. Now we get to see how long it lasts.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 00:21:00 - [77] Originally by: Garreck It would certainly be nice if the Star Fraction decided to go toe-to-toe with the CVA in lower Domain and Providence, but we can't all get what we want. Star Fraction know better: they're taking full advantage of this publicity stunt, and they're welcome to it. Now we get to see how long it lasts. Why bother when we can blow each others ships to pieces in the Throne World capital Garreck (nice fight) Star Fraction is recruiting
Tyr Vaantau Amarr Peregrin Avionics	Posted - 2007.05.03 00:38:00 - [78] Edited by: Tyr Vaantau on 03/05/2007 00:35:15 Well, Jasmine has perhaps redeemed herself in my eyes. Maybe her little stunt over the case of Brother Joshua doesn't reflect on her abilities to write a truthful account afterall. The humility seen in the first part of this diary section represents an ability to acknowlege both sides of the conflict - as opposed to the week 2 war diary that was full of arrogant (and eye-sore) puns, and left me feeling like I was really reading a one-sided "opinion" as opposed to a truthful account. This edition however contains less of the sudden, proud analysis and judgement of superiority that edition 2 had, which is probably why it appears to be a fairer account. As for the constant nit-picking by PIE/AM/others: They certainly have a right to do so, but I think that it lacks effectiveness. They would do better to point out errors that are more significant, and are more provable. For example, it is clear that SF v. CVA is a fight that SF are currently losing - illustrating this in a reasonable manner brings much more critisicm to SF's table than pointing out the minutes that they spend inside a station (which sounds desperate, regardless of how true it may or may not be). Essentially, they need to give bigger punches with their criticisms. This in turn will allow them to to punch less often - which actually works in their favour because it won't appear that they are deliberately going out of their way to try and damage SF's honesty, but are instead genuinely acting in the cause of truth. Notably, whether they are trying to act in the cause of truth already is irrelevant - it is the presentation and manner in which they present that the audiences of this summit will see and react to, regardless of the genuinity of their claims. I don't know why I bother writing this anyway. I try to be the voice of reason on the IGS, and as a result, no-one listens to me. Everyone is just trying to make as bigger and outrageous claims against each other as possible, and are just ending up sounding like lunatics (certain individuals like The Cosmopolite are excluded from this, as they appear to be normal). Everyone listens to them, but not the boring and simple truth. ------
Tomahawk Bliss INTAKI UNION Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.05.03 00:39:00 - [79] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Garreck It would certainly be nice if the Star Fraction decided to go toe-to-toe with the CVA in lower Domain and Providence, but we can't all get what we want. Star Fraction know better: they're taking full advantage of this publicity stunt, and they're welcome to it. Now we get to see how long it lasts. Why bother when we can blow each others ships to pieces in the Throne World capital Garreck (nice fight) Well that kind of is the point Jasmine, you are way off in Amarr in the heart of high security space away from all the action. To get fights people have to fly to you, so obviously the war is going to be cold except when pilots want to go take pot shots at SF. Sitting in Amarr is like declaring war on Ushra'Khan and sitting in Pator demanding they fly over to you and fight. Ushra'khan is based far from Pator, basing there has little impact on them. The same is for all the various groups Involved. VA/PIE/AM/VV all heavily use Providence, not domain. CAIN are heavy in Pure Blind, not domain. Intaki Union is heavy in Syndicate, not domain. Sure each group has moved ships near Amarr but all these groups interests are in their respective areas. you can't complain about having a lack of impact when you don't even go to where the conflicts are. you can't sit in Amarr and wave a flag and expect more than diversion responses. Your tactical acumen seems to have flopped on this one. In Mito you based in the home system of your enemies. In the CYI war you based in the home system of your enemy. In the Amarr conflict...you based two regions away from most Amarr paramilitary activity. they don't need to base out of Amarr, that is already securely controled space. Either move and bring the fight to the where the Amarr Paramilitaries are or stop complaining the day to day operations of PIE and others are not impacted by you and that you arenÆt taken seriously as a threat. At least you arenÆt being entirely ignored, people do go after you off and on. That is something. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Jonny Damordred Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 01:34:00 - [80] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss VA/PIE/AM/VV all heavily use Providence, not domain. CAIN are heavy in Pure Blind, not domain. Intaki Union is heavy in Syndicate, not domain. Two points, Mr. Bliss: When the CVA was formed, PIE did not join in order to stay and defend The Amarr Empire inside it's claimed borders. Providence doesn't fit this description. As for the rest, you should note that each declared war on SF, not the other way around. Why would you do so then expect us to come to you? Cheers, Jonny D. -----
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 02:17:00 - [81] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Garreck It would certainly be nice if the Star Fraction decided to go toe-to-toe with the CVA in lower Domain and Providence, but we can't all get what we want. Star Fraction know better: they're taking full advantage of this publicity stunt, and they're welcome to it. Now we get to see how long it lasts. Why bother when we can blow each others ships to pieces in the Throne World capital Garreck (nice fight) Well that kind of is the point Jasmine, you are way off in Amarr in the heart of high security space away from all the action. To get fights people have to fly to you, so obviously the war is going to be cold except when pilots want to go take pot shots at SF. Sitting in Amarr is like declaring war on Ushra'Khan and sitting in Pator demanding they fly over to you and fight. Ushra'khan is based far from Pator, basing there has little impact on them. The same is for all the various groups Involved. VA/PIE/AM/VV all heavily use Providence, not domain. CAIN are heavy in Pure Blind, not domain. Intaki Union is heavy in Syndicate, not domain. Sure each group has moved ships near Amarr but all these groups interests are in their respective areas. you can't complain about having a lack of impact when you don't even go to where the conflicts are. you can't sit in Amarr and wave a flag and expect more than diversion responses. Your tactical acumen seems to have flopped on this one. In Mito you based in the home system of your enemies. In the CYI war you based in the home system of your enemy. In the Amarr conflict...you based two regions away from most Amarr paramilitary activity. they don't need to base out of Amarr, that is already securely controled space. Either move and bring the fight to the where the Amarr Paramilitaries are or stop complaining the day to day operations of PIE and others are not impacted by you and that you arenÆt taken seriously as a threat. At least you arenÆt being entirely ignored, people do go after you off and on. That is something. Your point might have more merit Tomahawk had I not just lost a Hyperion class battleship blowing up Garrecks Megathron with the rest of a medium SF raiding party arriving in time to eliminate a CVA battleship attack group apparently led by Hardin's sister Sioban, (whom we executed in the wreckage of her Armageddon). Other paramilitaries seem to take this matter quite seriously after all. But anyway you miss the fundimental point. Our primary target is PIE's pride. At the moment that vessel is wounded and punctured from multiple impacts and drifting without power in the depths of some forlorn system a long way from the Throne Worlds they are pledged to defend. Everyone else in this conflict is here to try and save PIE's "honour" - whether they manage such a thing is yet to be seen. Star Fraction is recruiting
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 02:21:00 - [82] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri You already have. Just keep telling yourself that, scrollthumper! --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
GulletSplitter Minmatar Colonial Fleet Services	Posted - 2007.05.03 03:24:00 - [83] Tyr your not alone in your assessment of the "presentation" by the two sides. I liked this diary because Jasmine's tatical assestment seemed much more "truthful" (being relative). Much like you pointed out in your post. I also like Octavinus Augustus' replies for PIE. As a whole though I'd say that SF is definitely winning the PR battle. But battles are seldom if ever won by PR stunts. Still I wish some of the PIE responses were a bit better then "You don't matter cause you're not important." It's hard for outsiders to get a read on what is really going on short of flying over there and watching. If SF is truly in the war only after PIE's honour then then it appears to be winning to me. While UK and others might be labeled a bigger threat, you have to figure at some point PIE has to shut up SF because of the incessant chatter (polite way of saying lots of propaganda) coming from SF's quarter. They may choose not to for whatever reason but they appear to be getting dinged on the net. I do caveat this with the fact that I'm just now paying any attention to Galnet and it's become obvious there is some fairly extensive "past" animosities built up by parties on both sides. I do not have a good lay of the land and only getting well reported information from one side (SF) does tend to make it that much murkier.
Tomahawk Bliss INTAKI UNION Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.05.03 04:04:00 - [84] Originally by: Jonny Damordred As for the rest, you should note that each declared war on SF, not the other way around. Why would you do so then expect us to come to you? Cheers, Jonny D. why then should PIE come to you? did you not declare on them? work a little for it. and yes i know you are at this moment in providence in a ceptor gang. not the same as being based there i must say. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Tomahawk Bliss INTAKI UNION Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.05.03 04:07:00 - [85] Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 03/05/2007 04:03:07 Originally by: GulletSplitter While UK and others might be labeled a bigger threat, you have to figure at some point PIE has to shut up SF because of the incessant chatter (polite way of saying lots of propaganda) coming from SF's quarter. when you find a way to stop pilots from being able to post on IGS do let me know, it would be an unheard of trick. until then PIE don't have to stop anyone from posting anything they like. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 04:20:00 - [86] Quote: Now lets look at PIE. We have many Archbishop "sermons" with various condemations of our practise ... he's up to what 5 now? + your own "troika of evil" - Archbishop again with "operation blessing" couple of Brother Joshua puff pieces. PIE war report 1 + public sermon. Your own "questions" for the star fraction. (I could go on obviously but lets stop there) Thats 12 topics so cross referencing with your corporations war accomplishments against SF (108 kill participations) we get a ratio of 9 TPK (Kills per topic) I'm sorry to disappoint you Jasmine but my sermons are for the Amarrian faithful and relate to issues affecting our lives, dangers and sins that may appear, the failings of mankind. As I recall I've never mentioned the Star Fraction in any of my sermons (if I have please feel free to point them out). In fact I start each sermon with an introduction honorarium to the Amarrians listening. EXAMPLE OF SERMON As you can see they begin (and I quote) "Blessed faithful of God, loyal citizens of our holy Empire, friends and supporters of our mighty Empire,...". No where is the Star Fraction mentioned at all. If you admit your "practices" include hypocrisy and the failure to live a dedicated and committed lifestyle or the complete lack of virtue and humility among the Star Fraction I must simply state I never implied you were guilty of these sins and I believe the fact you view them as "condemnations of your practices" indicates you readily admit you do practice things like hypocrisy and thus are offended by the words of this simple Priest. I'm sorry if the light of truth and God woke you from your slumber.... Likewise OPERATION BLESSING isn't related to Star Fraction at all instead it is an ongoing missionary venture designed to help bring the truth of Amarr to the masses. Again I don't recall mentioning Star Fraction in my posts other then in response to your own posts. Certainly Operation Blessings success is indicative that nothing has changed for PIE since your little propoganda war started. Likewise the operation to protect Brother Joshua had nothing to do with the Star Fraction until you decided to post in the thread. PIE was more than willing to remain quiet on the mission and in fact again replied in response to your posts. The original BROTHER JOSHUA post just mentioned the escort and the result and didn't mention Star Fraction at all as I recall. I realize with your massive ego and need to be respected for whatever accomplishments you've whipped up in your mind you'd like to believe everything everyone writes is about you. In a way Revan must be rubbing off on you a bit with all the "stalker" stuff so I do understand your obsessive-compulsive disorder and need to be the center of attention. Perhaps you should consider professional help for your anger management and obsessive-compulsive issues and find peace. Until then you can feel free to believe everything everyone posts is about YOU. If it brings you peace I guess thats enough. We should pity the weak minded after all. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 04:29:00 - [87] Edited by: Archbishop on 03/05/2007 04:27:59 PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jonny Damordred Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 04:29:00 - [88] Edited by: Jonny Damordred on 03/05/2007 04:29:53 Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss why then should PIE come to you? did you not declare on them? work a little for it. and yes i know you are at this moment in providence in a ceptor gang. not the same as being based there i must say. Simple, Mr. Bliss: We are calling their bluff. Cheers, Jonny D. Oh, and as an aside: It is a shame that you dragged yourself into the fray, but I guess it is better to know a fair-weather friend with no long-term vision sooner, rather than later. -----
Tarm 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.03 04:30:00 - [89] Originally by: Jonny Damordred Two points, Mr. Bliss: When the CVA was formed, PIE did not join in order to stay and defend The Amarr Empire inside it's claimed borders. Providence doesn't fit this description. As for the rest, you should note that each declared war on SF, not the other way around. Why would you do so then expect us to come to you? Cheers, Jonny D. I'll try not to be too picky, but two points, Mr. Damordred: 1. The CVA was formed between PIE and Imperial Dreams long before Providence was reclaimed. 2. Misaba is as much a part of the Amarrian Empire (e.g. claimed borders) as Amarr Prime. By your explanation, Misaba is as much a battlefield as Amarr Prime, yet I see no Star Fraction fleets, short of the occasional squad of interceptors. You have chosen Amarr Prime wisely, Anarchists. Bring your fleets to Misaba; let's dance.
Jonny Damordred Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 04:40:00 - [90] Originally by: Tarm You have chosen Amarr Prime wisely, Anarchists. We know. Originally by: Tarm Bring your fleets to Misaba; let's dance. Why is the mighty edifice of the Amarrian Militias (and associated hangers on) so eager to change the battlefield? The answer I think I'll leave as an exercise for the reader. Cheers, Jonny D. -----
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 04:53:00 - [91] Quote: But anyway you miss the fundimental point. Our primary target is PIE's pride. At the moment that vessel is wounded and punctured from multiple impacts and drifting without power in the depths of some forlorn system a long way from the Throne Worlds they are pledged to defend. Amarrians have pride in God and Empire and our service. We have no personal pride to damage. Even a corporation as legendary in service as PIE has no "pride" save the commitment and dedication to Amarr. Indeed pride is a state of mind and as you can't affect the Empire in any way you can't damage our pride. But continue with the propoganda please it is an entertaining read. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 05:03:00 - [92] Edited by: Archbishop on 03/05/2007 05:00:36 Quote: Why is the mighty edifice of the Amarrian Militias (and associated hangers on) so eager to change the battlefield? The answer I think I'll leave as an exercise for the reader. Possibly because the vast majority of Amarr paramilitaries are no where near Amarr? Even PIE which kept an office there didn't exactly base in Amarr. Likewise the recent attack and seizure of Karishals Folly by CVA forces assisted by others (including PIE) indicates PIE isn't exactly Empire bound constantly. Given the Amarrians are attempting to expand the Empire in Providence I'd think you'd be all over it given your stated mission and your actions in Mito. I guess dedication and commitment to your "cause" aren't really fractionista traits when countered by the opportunity to attack "paper tigers" and claim "victory" in a 10,000 word war diary. Anyway back to planetside duties. I have an new sermon to prepare for tomorrow. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Cirale Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 06:10:00 - [93] Edited by: Cirale on 03/05/2007 06:09:35 Hum.... I don't post much, choosing to let my guns do the talking for my opinion. But I find one point needs some clarification for the forum warriors that are PIE Inc. We are going to crush you. Maybe not your core members, but as an organization, you are done. It may take 6 weeks, it may take 6 months, but dispite the welcome distraction of your allies, you are in our sights, within our grasp, and fixing to feel the strong bite of our teeth. Your constant yapping on Galnet shows you know this, like the howling of prey before the kill. Soon your allies will tire from the slaughter and obnoxious losses, soon you will be left alone in the dark, confronted with your obvious ineffectiveness, and facing the fact that we will not relent. Our commitment is absolute, and you can ask our previous targets exactly what that means. So yap on, prey, like the desperate howling of a helpless pup in the night. Your howls have awakened the rest of your pack, but soon they will sleep again, and when they do, we shall have our prize.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 06:17:00 - [94] Originally by: GulletSplitter While UK and others might be labeled a bigger threat, you have to figure at some point PIE has to shut up SF because of the incessant chatter (polite way of saying lots of propaganda) coming from SF's quarter. They may choose not to for whatever reason but they appear to be getting dinged on the net. I think a few comments are in order to explain the point of view from the Amarr Loyalsist, as I see it. We need to "shut up" Star Fraction you say. That is simply impossible, I'm afraid. IGS is a free forum and people can post whatever they want, truthful or not. Star Fraction publishes their diaries and their views on the current war. Each time they celebrate their own skill and deride the abilities and motivations of their enemies. What can we do except reply with our version of the story? So the "publicity war" is pretty set. So how about the actual fighting? Let us look at the current strategic objectives for the Amarr Block. A) We need to continue defending the Empire from it's enemies, foreign and domestic. The fact that Star Fraction is allowed to dock at all the Empire's stations should prove that they are not really enemies of the Empire but only of the paramilitaries. B) We need to be able to continue our day to day operations in service of the Empire. With SF simply sitting in Amarr waiting for us to come to them, that's quite easy. We have more to fear from roaming pirates and terrorists than we do from anarchists, so naturally those enemies rank higher on our "to do" list. With Star Fraction sitting still in Amarr we simply avoid presenting targets whose loss would impede us on the strategic level. C) We need to train and practise for the more important battles that will come against various enemies - as any prudent force should always attempt to do. Consequently we will from time to time form a gang and send it to Amarr. Rest assured that even the total annihilation of any and all such forces would not impede our strategic capabilities. Those are pretty much our strategic objectives as I see them. But let's look for a while at the war objectives claimed by the anarchists. They state that any ability for them "to operate" in Amarr is a victory on their part. So in reality, all Star Fraction need to do is dock up when we show up, wait for us to leave, undock and claim victory. They have done several times. The simple ability to undock in Amarr will be enough for them to claim victory. We can never deny them that right. Another objective for them is to have CVA retract their war declaration. One may of course ask how that suits the rhetoric of pilots such as Jasmine Constantine who seems to think that the more enemies the merrier. However, given that we cannot force the Star Fraction to fight should they decide not to, there is simply no way to destroy them completely. Consequently CVA (and others) will eventually retract their war declarations - and Star Fraction will claim victory. In my mind it will be a rather hollow one. Let me make a final note on the strategic goals of Star Fraction. They have always had the ability to operate out of Amarr, and before the war CVA had no war dec on Star Fraction. In other words, the stated strategic goals of Star Fraction would have been served by never going to war at all. So while our strategic objectives are being met and in no way impacted by the current war, the strategic objectives of Star Fraction are, in essence, non-existent. Denying Star Fraction the fulfillment of their strategic objectives is impossible. What we are left with, is a group of enemies having little or no impact on our operations and that we can fight whenever we choose. We have little reason to regard them as important. Even if we did we have no way of disloging them from a high security system or silencing them here on IGS. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 08:22:00 - [95] Originally by: Cirale Edited by: Cirale on 03/05/2007 06:09:35 Hum.... I don't post much, choosing to let my guns do the talking for my opinion. But I find one point needs some clarification for the forum warriors that are PIE Inc. We are going to crush you. Maybe not your core members, but as an organization, you are done. It may take 6 weeks, it may take 6 months, but dispite the welcome distraction of your allies, you are in our sights, within our grasp, and fixing to feel the strong bite of our teeth. Your constant yapping on Galnet shows you know this, like the howling of prey before the kill. Soon your allies will tire from the slaughter and obnoxious losses, soon you will be left alone in the dark, confronted with your obvious ineffectiveness, and facing the fact that we will not relent. Our commitment is absolute, and you can ask our previous targets exactly what that means. So yap on, prey, like the desperate howling of a helpless pup in the night. Your howls have awakened the rest of your pack, but soon they will sleep again, and when they do, we shall have our prize. At last, some refreshing honesty from the factionistas over their war aims. I'll be sure to quote this again in six months when PIE is still around. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 08:28:00 - [96] Refreshing honesty there, peon. ----------------------------------------------
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.03 09:11:00 - [97] Originally by: Cirale Edited by: Cirale on 03/05/2007 06:09:35 Hum.... I don't post much, choosing to let my guns do the talking for my opinion. But I find one point needs some clarification for the forum warriors that are PIE Inc. We are going to crush you. Maybe not your core members, but as an organization, you are done. It may take 6 weeks, it may take 6 months, but dispite the welcome distraction of your allies, you are in our sights, within our grasp, and fixing to feel the strong bite of our teeth. Your constant yapping on Galnet shows you know this, like the howling of prey before the kill. Soon your allies will tire from the slaughter and obnoxious losses, soon you will be left alone in the dark, confronted with your obvious ineffectiveness, and facing the fact that we will not relent. Our commitment is absolute, and you can ask our previous targets exactly what that means. So yap on, prey, like the desperate howling of a helpless pup in the night. Your howls have awakened the rest of your pack, but soon they will sleep again, and when they do, we shall have our prize. Hmm... somehow I dont think in terms of recent events this is quite likely is it. In any case, I believe that many view that the actions of the SF may be offset by appearances of refusing to move from their primary operations base of Amarr, an area deep within the secured zones and under the direct coverage of the Imperial Navy. Aside from the actions of CONCORD approved wars there isnt that much of a threat to the Empire from piracy and other malcontent actions, a reason why I attribute many of the loyalist forces to be hard at work pacifying the outer reaches for the safety of it's citizens. This does leave a question. Although the SF's Modus Operandi is the disruption and the staining of PIE's honour on the field, little aside base partisan operations can be achieved. Yes the odd ship could be lost to careless shipping practices, BUT general peace is ensured by the Empire, offendors more often then not are vapourised by defences within the safety of high security space. The previous statements can be understood to be to be a general lack of will to locate to a more appropriate field of battle, where the main bulk of Amarrian forces can be found. I would not go so far as to call this craven cowardice, however rather than simply harp on from within lands that little can be achieved perhaps a rethink on tatics might be wise. Serve the Emperor Above all Others
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 11:22:00 - [98] Originally by: Archbishop Given the Amarrians are attempting to expand the Empire in Providence I'd think you'd be all over it given your stated mission and your actions in Mito. I guess dedication and commitment to your "cause" aren't really fractionista traits when countered by the opportunity to attack "paper tigers" and claim "victory" in a 10,000 word war diary. Archbishop I'm glad you are prepared to admit that PIE Inc. Is an organisation of "paper tigers" now Archbishop. And I think you've stumbled on some of our war strategy there. Humiliating PIE and dealing a blow to the pride of the collective Amarrian bloc thereby represents quite a key element in the campaign. Every time we fight a major battle that has no PIE involvement and every day that passes with PIE personalities docked and passive or a long long way away from the Empire they are pledged to protect is a little victory for the war aims. When the time comes that we become convinced that PIE is done as an effective organisation we will declare a full victory and move on to the next phase of our greater campaign against capsule pilot national militias. I am sure when that day happens you'll be here to post "but but we are still alive!" but in our hearts we'll both know which of us had the courage to stand on the battlefield with weapons up and ready to contest the war and which of us was lying face down in a ditch a couple of miles away shaking with fear and soiling his own undergarments eh Archbishop? A coward dies a thousand deaths its said ... in truth I think you die a little more with every passing day. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 11:27:00 - [99] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus We need to "shut up" Star Fraction you say. That is simply impossible, I'm afraid. IGS is a free forum and people can post whatever they want, truthful or not. Star Fraction publishes their diaries and their views on the current war. Each time they celebrate their own skill and deride the abilities and motivations of their enemies. What can we do except reply with our version of the story? So the "publicity war" is pretty set. Fight and win. That will "shut us up". A couple of years ago the Star Fraction attacked the CVA and fought a furious six week engagement with pretty even casualties and much slaughter and mayhem on both sides. In the end we couldn't gain decisive superiority in space and retracted the war and admitted defeat. If you achieve the same results today the same thing will happen - we will have the honesty to admit a lost campaign when it happens. Our integrity and honour in these matters is unquestioned by anyone with a name or reputation to speak of. Don't fall so quickly into the negative dead-ends of your comrades who suggest that "fighting forever" and never admitting a loss in the face of overwhelming evidence is something that the SF consider an admirable trait. If we lose a war you'll know it. (and so will everyone on Galnet) Star Fraction is recruiting
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.03 11:28:00 - [100] Edited by: Kallanagh Tellen on 03/05/2007 11:25:55 So to translate, you sit in a local of space daring not to attack the main nationalist force in fear of absolute annihalation by Navy forces, praying for PIE to come and engage you? I would not call that a victory, I would call that a rather poor choice in theatre. The 'paper tigers' of PIE as your term it seem to be playing the situation fairly well if you have been limited to your current holding grounds these past weeks. Serve the Emperor Above all Others
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 11:47:00 - [101] Originally by: Kallanagh Tellen Although the SF's Modus Operandi is the disruption and the staining of PIE's honour on the field, little aside base partisan operations can be achieved. Yes the odd ship could be lost to careless shipping practices, BUT general peace is ensured by the Empire, offendors more often then not are vapourised by defences within the safety of high security space. The previous statements can be understood to be to be a general lack of will to locate to a more appropriate field of battle, where the main bulk of Amarrian forces can be found. I would not go so far as to call this craven cowardice, however rather than simply harp on from within lands that little can be achieved perhaps a rethink on tatics might be wise. Would you like the moon on a stick as well? We are already fighting a war against an Amarrian bloc with 10x our memberbase that has boasted at length of its industrial capability and local allies and impregnable status in Providence. You would like our 80 members to leave a favourable battlefield and come and lay siege to your 800 allies inside their castle walls? You must think us 80 titans! Its quite flattering really. But sensible strategy does not entertain such delirium. Let me paint a picture for you in this vein... We are 80 warrior-heroes come to teach humility and fear to the conceit of Amarrian capsuleer pride. We know that the Amarrian loyalist army outnumbers us greatly and is more or less impossible to touch inside your castle. So how do we fight? Answer we have to choose the battlefield that offsets the numerical disadvantage and allows us to win. In this case we have picked a particularly loud and obnoxious (but not terribly effective) member of your armies "nobility", kidnapped him from a brothel in town and now we've staked him out below the crest off a hillside a couple of miles from the castle and are slowly torturing him to death so his screams and suffering rattle the morale of the loyalist forces and encourage his brethen to attempt rash acts of rescue. Already some loyalists have had enough and prefering neither to listen to the screams nor try a rescue have put cotton wool in their ears and deserted the walls. The obnoxious "noble" is PIE's pride. The loyalist army is the Amarrian bloc. The deserters are Vigilia Valeria But as long as our captive keeps bleating and pleading we choose the ground of the fighting and the Amarrians must either listen to a comrade's screams, come and try to end the suffering, or blot out the sound and deny Amarrian unity with stops in their ears and backs turned. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 11:48:00 - [102] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Humiliating PIE and dealing a blow to the pride of the collective Amarrian bloc thereby represents quite a key element in the campaign. So when are you going to start humiliating us? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 11:51:00 - [103] Originally by: Rodj Blake So when are you going to start humiliating us? We do it to you in space. You do it to yourselves on the IGS. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 11:53:00 - [104] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine You would like our 80 members to leave a favourable battlefield and come and lay siege to your 800 allies inside their castle walls? You must think us 80 titans! Its quite flattering really. But sensible strategy does not entertain such delirium. And when was the last time you saw eight hundred pilots in Amarr? I could equally point to the number of members of PIE and compare it with the combined membership of Electus Matari, Ushra'Khan and Star Fraction. But I don't. Why not? Because it's a silly comparison to make, almost as silly as your assertion that you're outnumbered ten to one. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 11:54:00 - [105] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake So when are you going to start humiliating us? We do it to you in space. You do it to yourselves on the IGS. That's odd, I never realised that being humiliated felt exactly the same being amused. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 11:56:00 - [106] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 03/05/2007 11:53:03 Originally by: Rodj Blake That's odd, I never realised that being humiliated felt exactly the same being amused. It does if you are a masochist. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 11:58:00 - [107] As promised, another installment! Originally by: Jasmine Constantine The following day saw a general withdrawal of CVA vessels from the vicinity of Amarr Prime as they reorganised their forces and practised combined fleet ops away from the warzone. Taking the opportunity to press space superiority for the duration the Free Captains struck hard against the now isolated pilots of PIE, AM and VV and destroyed a pair of Harbinger class Battlecruisers, a Arbitrator class cruiser, 3 interceptor class frigates and a collection of tech1 rabble and shuttles and novice ships put into space by the uncoordinated PIE commanders for the duration. Seven Amarrian loyalists were summarily executed in their capsules by SF forces and we suffered the loss of a single Blackbird Class EW cruiser in return. Whilst any loss is regrettable, I'd hardly describe the above as a "hard strike". Quote: Black Sunday Then came the worst 24 hours of the war for Star Fraction with the CVA returning in force and providing battlefield commissar command to their otherwise uncoordinated allied levies and basing from Ashab system to counterattack SF dominance of Amarr Prime. We found the limit of usefulness for earlier tactics and combined fire and direct confrontation of the larger Amarrian fleets and suffered a day of reversals and defeats that led to the loss of 2 Dominix Class Battleships, a Vagabond Class Heavy Assault Cruiser, a Curse Class Recon Cruiser, and 4 Interceptor class frigates while destroying only 2 enemy Battlecruisers, 2 Arbitrator class Cruisers, and 3 Malediction class interceptors in return. Heavy casualties for the Free Captains and our crew û the war was getting bitter. And worse yet, the Amarrian forces had now come to dominate space command in Amarr system for extended periods and were routinely patrolling the stargates and stations to drive home their advantage. For the first time in the war we were left with no real answer to the loyalist numerical strength and organisation and it was time to go back to the drawing board find an answer to this tactical dilemma. I'm not going to argue with you over this, but I would like to point out that we're not as reliant on the CVA for command and control as you'd like to think. More to follow! Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 12:02:00 - [108] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Asymmetric Warfare rides again Free Captains are nothing if not resourceful however, and the answer wasnÆt long in coming. Star Fraction has prided itself on innovation and flexibility and our long wars on the 0.0 frontier and such famed conflicts as the now legendary Great Northern War had prepared our commanders and strategists for the alternation in patterns and patrol dynamics required to neutralise the heavy fleet advantage of the CVA backed Amarrian loyalists in the Throne Worlds. Light raiding wolfpacks were the solution! The Star Fraction industrial backbone provides almost limitless numbers of the finest high technology frigate hulls including Crow and Taranis class interceptors, Jaguar and Stiletto, Ishkur and Hawk and a broad range of tech2 modules and equipment required to make these vessels truly deadly and so it was the case that we had all the weaponry we needed to strike back against the cumbersome beast of Amarrian fleet supremacy and dance aside from their weight in numbers and drive the precision dagger of our raiding wolfpack deep into the breast of their unwary number elsewhere. When we were outnumbered we would counterattack with massed frigate wings to wreak havoc in the enemy rear areas. Where we had the advantage we would upship to heavy raiders and strike fast without warning. It was tactical flexibility at its finest and made possible by the huge logistical planning undertaken by campaign planners well before the onset of the war. So, just to clear things up.... When the loyalists use hit and run tactics, it's a sign that we're on our last legs and badly losing the war (see previous SF threads), but when the SF use hit and run tactics it's a sign of tactical flexibility? And you wonder why the Star Faction has a reputation for excessive spinning? More to follow! Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 12:10:00 - [109] Originally by: Rodj Blake At last, some refreshing honesty from the factionistas over their war aims. I'll be sure to quote this again in six months when PIE is still around. Quote it all you like but remember to quote it as the opinion of one Freecaptain and not as an official communication of the Star Fraction. I could pick and choose what I would wish the war aims of a number of entities involved in the conflict to be by looking at individual comments. I'm not about to do so. I look at official statements of declaration and that's good enough for me. Speaking off which, talk to us about war aims and honesty when all entities that have declared war have published war aims. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Myrrdin Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 12:46:00 - [110] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Every time we fight a major battle that has no PIE involvement and every day that passes with PIE personalities docked and passive or a long long way away from the Empire they are pledged to protect is a little victory for the war aims. I'm not entirely sure where this 'docked and passive' concept comes from. I know that I personally have not failed to engage you anarchists on a regular basis, and I can say the same for the majority of my fellow loyalists. Whether it takes days, weeks, or months for your degenerate atheist scum to realise the futility of their endeavour and leave, we'll still be fighting.
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.03 12:55:00 - [111] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Would you like the moon on a stick as well? We are already fighting a war against an Amarrian bloc with 10x our memberbase that has boasted at length of its industrial capability and local allies and impregnable status in Providence. You would like our 80 members to leave a favourable battlefield and come and lay siege to your 800 allies inside their castle walls? You must think us 80 titans! Its quite flattering really. But sensible strategy does not entertain such delirium. Let me paint a picture for you in this vein... We are 80 warrior-heroes come to teach humility and fear to the conceit of Amarrian capsuleer pride. We know that the Amarrian loyalist army outnumbers us greatly and is more or less impossible to touch inside your castle. So how do we fight? Answer we have to choose the battlefield that offsets the numerical disadvantage and allows us to win. In this case we have picked a particularly loud and obnoxious (but not terribly effective) member of your armies "nobility", kidnapped him from a brothel in town and now we've staked him out below the crest off a hillside a couple of miles from the castle and are slowly torturing him to death so his screams and suffering rattle the morale of the loyalist forces and encourage his brethen to attempt rash acts of rescue. Already some loyalists have had enough and prefering neither to listen to the screams nor try a rescue have put cotton wool in their ears and deserted the walls. The obnoxious "noble" is PIE's pride. The loyalist army is the Amarrian bloc. The deserters are Vigilia Valeria But as long as our captive keeps bleating and pleading we choose the ground of the fighting and the Amarrians must either listen to a comrade's screams, come and try to end the suffering, or blot out the sound and deny Amarrian unity with stops in their ears and backs turned. Then you choose poor ground. The current operations of the SF do not impact to any great extent of PIE or her allies, with your stat peddling and claims of victory on IGS currently sounding very, very hollow. You cling to the confines of your chosen holding area, refusing to proceed to an area where you know that a greater source of potential threat will be present. Your claims of an unfair numerical advantage are irrelivant, and have no bearing on this 'campaign' that you claim to run. All in all things do not appear quite as rosey as the picture that you paint Jasmine, I believe that PIE is under little threat from this apparent punishment of this 'noble' you harp on about. The current efforts of the SF only seem to fuel the lecturist outlook which is played out on the IGS, more of a crowd pleasing action then any true effect in the real world. Your musings like your current quest will no doubt be forgotten in the fullness of time, your words drowned out as more interesting and worthy causes come to being against much greater and more noble enemies then yourselves. Oh I have no doubt that will reply to claim your own greatness and belittle the actions of the oh so weak and fearful paramilitary organisations as you cower under the sanctuary of CONCORD. All in all I believe that it is fair to say you are beginning to bore us, perhaps the fractionists should write another play. Serve the Emperor Above all Others
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 12:59:00 - [112] Originally by: Kallanagh Tellen Then you choose poor ground. The statistics tell another story. Star Fraction is recruiting
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.03 13:04:00 - [113] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Kallanagh Tellen Then you choose poor ground. The statistics tell another story. I have yet to see PIE's disbandment. C- Jasmine, must try harder. Serve the Emperor Above all Others
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 13:09:00 - [114] Originally by: Kallanagh Tellen I have yet to see PIE's disbandment. And you never will. You'll see an organisation with pride and bitterness and nothing else and Archbishop making sermons. That will never change. What will change (and has already begun to change significantly) is the reputation of this loyalist "paper tiger" - in the future people will know precisely what it is capable of achieving. Posts on galnet. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 13:13:00 - [115] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 03/05/2007 13:11:26 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Kallanagh Tellen I have yet to see PIE's disbandment. And you never will. You'll see an organisation with pride and bitterness and nothing else and Archbishop making sermons. That will never change. What will change (and has already begun to change significantly) is the reputation of this loyalist "paper tiger" - in the future people will know precisely what it is capable of achieving. Posts on galnet. That's quite a statement coming from someone with such a reputation for verbosity and underachievement. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 13:21:00 - [116] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 03/05/2007 13:18:19 Originally by: Rodj Blake That's quite a statement coming from someone with such a reputation for verbosity and underachievement. I'm a better warrior than you Rodj. Maybe we could prove it with a battleship duel? Oh wait PIE doesn't allow such things (and before you bleat about how unfair it is that you have to fly amarr and I just need to tank EM/Thermal. I only fly Gallente and you need to tank kinetic and thermal. Fair is fair) Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 13:24:00 - [117] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Early deployment of this tactic saw immediate improvements with the first raid costing us 5 single seat tech2 frigates (immediately replaced from our factories that produce 24 of each a week) while scoring in turn the destruction of a CVA Tempest Class battleship, and costing the Caldari Legionaries of CAIN a Drake class Battlecruiser, A Curse Class Recon cruiser, Vexor class cruiser and managing to trap and execute a lone PIE captain Udyr Vulpayne, who was sent screaming to the cloning bays by SF ace Sakura Nihil. Interesting that you mention the immediate replacement of your own vessels but fail to mention the immediate replacement of the loyalist vessels. Quote: It was very noticeable that the increased number of interceptor class vessels in theatre was having a deeply detrimental effect on the life expectancy of loyalist capsuleers û and a rare thing for an enemy to escape with implants and current mortality from the wreckage of ships falling to our raiders. A minor but significant morale hit, and definitive an innovation that these religious zealots disliked intensely. I'm sure that if the loyalists were to employ interceptors it would be spun by yourself as an unwillingness to engage in large fleet assets. Quote: Vigilia Valeria out of the war Mediocre fleet performance and a generally minor participation level with all accomplishments of note appearing on the backs of more organised and capable allies. It came as no great surprise to discover that Vigilia Valeria was the first major alliance level casualty of the fighting allowing their concord wardec to lapse without re declaration in the third week of the war. No public notification was made of their failure to keep their leaders proud boast however, but letÆs take a moment to remind ourselves of the words spoken: Quote: ôA few days ago the anarchists of The Star Fraction have declared war on our allies, PIE Inc. This unprovoked aggression cannot and will not be tolerated. For this reason, as of today, the Vigilia Valeria Alliance [-VV-] has opened hostilities towards The Star Fraction. The state of war will be maintained until such time as The Star Fraction retreat from Amarr, retract their war or cease to threaten normal trade and traffic in Amarr. ûGazon, 1st Praetorian Guardö Or could it be that -VV- decided that SF wasn't such a threat after all? SF are not currently threatening normal trade and traffic (and they never were, unless you count blocking the docking the bay as a threat to trade) in Amarr, so that criterion for withdrawing the declaration appears to have been met. Quote: Vigilia Valeria vessels crept quietly back to the mission-running areas in Misaba and left the war and their oathÆs unfinished a long way from the Throne Worlds. Amarrian Unity at its best û SF vessels still defiantly fighting the good fight in Amarr and harrying all declared Amarrian loyalists with increasing violence and deadly precision and the war against PIE still very much declared and in force. I can assure you that -VV- performs vital tasks for the Empire in lower Domain. More to follow! Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 13:28:00 - [118] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 03/05/2007 13:24:06 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 03/05/2007 13:18:19 Originally by: Rodj Blake That's quite a statement coming from someone with such a reputation for verbosity and underachievement. I'm a better warrior than you Rodj. Maybe we could prove it with a battleship duel? Oh wait PIE doesn't allow such things (and before you bleat about how unfair it is that you have to fly amarr and I just need to tank EM/Thermal. I only fly Gallente and you need to tank kinetic and thermal. Fair is fair) I'm surprised that you're so keen on duels. I would have thought that you would be adverse to them after your cousin's recent experience. As for a duel between the two of us, I fail to see what the pointless destruction of your vessel would achieve in the wider strategic sense, and anyway, why should I treat someone beneath contempt as my equal? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 13:40:00 - [119] Quote: Hum.... I don't post much, choosing to let my guns do the talking for my opinion. But I find one point needs some clarification for the forum warriors that are PIE Inc. We are going to crush you. Maybe not your core members, but as an organization, you are done. It may take 6 weeks, it may take 6 months, but dispite the welcome distraction of your allies, you are in our sights, within our grasp, and fixing to feel the strong bite of our teeth. Your constant yapping on Galnet shows you know this, like the howling of prey before the kill. Soon your allies will tire from the slaughter and obnoxious losses, soon you will be left alone in the dark, confronted with your obvious ineffectiveness, and facing the fact that we will not relent. Our commitment is absolute, and you can ask our previous targets exactly what that means. So yap on, prey, like the desperate howling of a helpless pup in the night. Your howls have awakened the rest of your pack, but soon they will sleep again, and when they do, we shall have our prize. As we've stated also pride is a state of mind and nothing you could ever do can damage our pride in the Empire, in God and in the past accomplishments of PIE. As for being "confronted with ineffectiveness" as a member of the community of Amarrian paramilitary organizaitons we are never truly alone and again effectiveness is a state of mind. We've never presumed to be the equal of the Amarr Imperial Navy or other larger paramilitary groups. Thus if you plan to move to that type of IGS attack in time (which I'm sure you will) you've already lost. So to clarify our allies will eventually drop their wars not from slaughter but simply because they are bored of you (just as all the 0.0 alliances you've failed in the past became bored of you and forced you to flee). Star Fraction forum wars = boredom (lesson #1). Claiming to destroy an organization is also subjective as one has to look at what the organization was at the start of this war realistically and what it is like later. From my vantage point I see as many pilots logged into command as before so obviously you're not having any effect there. Likewise PIE is a member of the community of Amarrian paramilitary organizations and thus are what we are. You attempt to assign some grandiose "position" to PIE so that you may knock us off "our perch". Sadly for you PIE has never put itself on a pedestal as we have the humility of service thus there is no perch to fall from. We are what we are. We've never claimed to be anything else. "For God and Empire". "Defenders of the Empire". We are not the Navy. We do what we can. God knows our hearts and knows it is enough. We can not be defeated. It's an ideal. If a Jovian fleet came in tomorrow and destroyed Amarr we would fight to the death. God would know our hearts. That is all that matters. Your entire war objective is based on flawed understanding of what exactly PIE is. Still given our far smaller size to the Star Fraction at the start of this war in terms of non-planetbound pilots it's clear why you picked PIE as a target. You continue to follow your "trend" of attacking corporations you view as "paper tigers" to gain quick IGS forum war victories over. After failing for so many years in 0.0 to accomplish anything save garnering the distain people generally feel for you I can understand why you fled to Empire and now attack those you view you can gain "fast wins" over. Still you will find that PIE has been around a long time and will continue to be. I'm sure at some point you'll claim "victory" when we have many planetbound pilots and thats fine. Star Fraction is Star Fraction after all. It's kind of a trend. I do hope you enjoy the accomodations in Amarr.... From the sounds of your very unrealistic objective you're going to be there a long time. As for PIE.... we'll just keep doing what we do. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 13:44:00 - [120] Originally by: Rodj Blake Or could it be that -VV- decided that SF wasn't such a threat after all? SF are not currently threatening normal trade and traffic (and they never were, unless you count blocking the docking the bay as a threat to trade) in Amarr, so that criterion for withdrawing the declaration appears to have been met. Are you saying that that criterion was always a meaningless one that could be considered to be met at any time? I'm not saying that is what you are saying but I'd like to know. The key to it is what -VV- define as 'normal trade and traffic'. We took their initial war declaration at face value and as they are loyalist paramilitaries considered that they would regard any threat posed by us to Amarrian loyalist shipping would have to be removed for that criterion to have been met. Now, I am quite prepared to accept, if I am told it is so, that the -VV- criterion referred to non-loyalist paramilitary trade and shipping. The problem with that, is that it has absolutely nothing to do with the Star Fraction as we have never sought to threaten non-loyalist paramilitary trade and shipping. It would be like us inserting into our war aims a criterion such as 'or until PIE cease to threaten normal trade and shipping in Rens/Jita/<insert trade hub of choice>'. I know exactly what the loyalist bloc would have made of such a war aim. So, let us have clarity. Did the 'normal trade and shipping' include Amarrian loyalist paramilitary vessels or not? If it did, the -VV- evaluation is simply wrong (SF have destroyed Amarrian loyalist vessels in Amarr and surrounding systems on every day of the war thus far). If it did not, that clause of the -VV- war aims was a nonsense and all the chest-beating by a certain -VV- member as to meaningful war aims is shown to be utter hypocrisy. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 13:49:00 - [121] Quote: Originally by: Rodj Blake -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- At last, some refreshing honesty from the factionistas over their war aims. I'll be sure to quote this again in six months when PIE is still around. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally by: The Cosmopolite Quote it all you like but remember to quote it as the opinion of one Freecaptain and not as an official communication of the Star Fraction. I could pick and choose what I would wish the war aims of a number of entities involved in the conflict to be by looking at individual comments. I'm not about to do so. I look at official statements of declaration and that's good enough for me. Well given he admits he doesn't post much on IGS I'll assume its an official position as what else could inspire someone to break their silence. Likewise given your recent wars against KD and CYI it's pretty clear what your objectives are anyway. Enjoy the scenery in Amarr.... and I look forward to sending you a one year anniversary cake. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 13:51:00 - [122] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Rodj Blake Or could it be that -VV- decided that SF wasn't such a threat after all? SF are not currently threatening normal trade and traffic (and they never were, unless you count blocking the docking the bay as a threat to trade) in Amarr, so that criterion for withdrawing the declaration appears to have been met. Are you saying that that criterion was always a meaningless one that could be considered to be met at any time? I'm not saying that is what you are saying but I'd like to know. The key to it is what -VV- define as 'normal trade and traffic'. We took their initial war declaration at face value and as they are loyalist paramilitaries considered that they would regard any threat posed by us to Amarrian loyalist shipping would have to be removed for that criterion to have been met. Now, I am quite prepared to accept, if I am told it is so, that the -VV- criterion referred to non-loyalist paramilitary trade and shipping. The problem with that, is that it has absolutely nothing to do with the Star Fraction as we have never sought to threaten non-loyalist paramilitary trade and shipping. It would be like us inserting into our war aims a criterion such as 'or until PIE cease to threaten normal trade and shipping in Rens/Jita/<insert trade hub of choice>'. I know exactly what the loyalist bloc would have made of such a war aim. So, let us have clarity. Did the 'normal trade and shipping' include Amarrian loyalist paramilitary vessels or not? If it did, the -VV- evaluation is simply wrong (SF have destroyed Amarrian loyalist vessels in Amarr and surrounding systems on every day of the war thus far). If it did not, that clause of the -VV- war aims was a nonsense and all the chest-beating by a certain -VV- member as to meaningful war aims is shown to be utter hypocrisy. The Cosmopolite You'll have to ask a -VV- representative for a more concise definition of their policy, but I will say that even loyalist vessels in the Throne Worlds are pretty safe. As for dodgy war aims, let's not get into a discussion on the SF's war aims. Operation Judas Goat - get the CVA to declare on SF. Operation Slaughterhouse - get the CVA to retract its war. Just think, all of that effort just to get back to square one. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 14:02:00 - [123] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Octavinus Augustus We need to "shut up" Star Fraction you say. That is simply impossible, I'm afraid. IGS is a free forum and people can post whatever they want, truthful or not. Star Fraction publishes their diaries and their views on the current war. Each time they celebrate their own skill and deride the abilities and motivations of their enemies. What can we do except reply with our version of the story? So the "publicity war" is pretty set. Fight and win. That will "shut us up". A couple of years ago the Star Fraction attacked the CVA and fought a furious six week engagement with pretty even casualties and much slaughter and mayhem on both sides. In the end we couldn't gain decisive superiority in space and retracted the war and admitted defeat. If you achieve the same results today the same thing will happen - we will have the honesty to admit a lost campaign when it happens. Our integrity and honour in these matters is unquestioned by anyone with a name or reputation to speak of. Don't fall so quickly into the negative dead-ends of your comrades who suggest that "fighting forever" and never admitting a loss in the face of overwhelming evidence is something that the SF consider an admirable trait. If we lose a war you'll know it. (and so will everyone on Galnet) First of all, I assume that this post can only be construed as your personal opinion Jasmine. As Star Fraction has clearly stated in it's orirginal declaration of intent concerning this war: "The fighters of the Star Fraction will wage war against the Amarr Empire's capsuleer lackies the better to oppose the spread of the tyrannical 'order' that is espoused by the Empire and all who support it." According to Star Fractions original postings on the topic, your alliance has stated that it's strategic objectives is to threaten our very existence or at least our capacity to function as a coherent entity. You personally seem content to "hurt our pride". But let's ignore that fact for now. If you're in this war to hurt our pride, you have chosen a poor way of doing so. In order to truly hurt our pride you will have to either deal a blow to the Empire we are unable to deflect or otherwise deny us the capacity to carry out operations to further our strategic objectives. By sitting still in Amarr you are accomplishing neither. Our pride is tied up in a lot more than the ability to win or lose one, two or ten engagements of little or no strategic consequence. Look at the ability of Archbishop to continue his sermons, look at how we help CVA contain the pirates in Providence, look at our success in the matter of escorting Brother Joshua around Empire, look at the countless day to day operations of the Amarr block. If you wish to "hurt our pride" you need to look to those things. You achieve nothing by sitting in Amarr making bold claims based on little reality. If you wish to hurt our pride you will have to undertake actions that are a blow to us rather than merely actions that you would consider a blow to yourself had the situation been reversed. If you wish simply to have a lot of enemies to shoot at however, I think your decision to stay in Amarr is a wise one. We can and will seek you out whenever we wish to do so. You will have targets to shoot at, but strategically you will achieve nothing. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 14:12:00 - [124] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 03/05/2007 14:09:42 double post Star Fraction is recruiting
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 14:13:00 - [125] Originally by: Archbishop Well given he admits he doesn't post much on IGS I'll assume its an official position as what else could inspire someone to break their silence. Likewise given your recent wars against KD and CYI it's pretty clear what your objectives are anyway. Enjoy the scenery in Amarr.... and I look forward to sending you a one year anniversary cake. Archbishop It's not an official position. We're not setting any firm timeline. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 14:13:00 - [126] Originally by: Rodj Blake That's quite a statement coming from someone with such a reputation for verbosity and underachievement. Originally by: Rodj Blake ]As for a duel between the two of us, I fail to see what the pointless destruction of your vessel would achieve in the wider strategic sense, and anyway, why should I treat someone beneath contempt as my equal? I trust you see the irony of these two statements. As a war-diarist I am entirely happy to engage you in a duel of honour whereas you run and hide beneath your mothers bed. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 14:26:00 - [127] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake That's quite a statement coming from someone with such a reputation for verbosity and underachievement. Originally by: Rodj Blake ]As for a duel between the two of us, I fail to see what the pointless destruction of your vessel would achieve in the wider strategic sense, and anyway, why should I treat someone beneath contempt as my equal? I trust you see the irony of these two statements. As a war-diarist I am entirely happy to engage you in a duel of honour whereas you run and hide beneath your mothers bed. The thing is, duels are often seen as matters of personal honour. As a member of Star Faction, you have shown yourself to be without honour. Now, perhaps you will stop trying to derail your own thread with your pointless challenges and get to the matter in hand - the events of the last two weeks. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.03 14:29:00 - [128] This goes to my comments about the paramilitaries abandoning Amarr. So far from the Loyalist side we have heard the following excuses: 1. It a corp vs corp war so the Empire will not get involved. 2. We're not going to fight the Star Fraction because they are not that important. 3. We're supporting those who are fighting by providing critical materials to our allies. 4. Amarr is not a "strategically" important target. And yet a small professional force is still able to hold Amarr, away from the paramilitaries who have sworn to expand and defend the Empire as a mandate from God. Really this doesn't say a lot about the paramilitaries ability to follow through. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 14:31:00 - [129] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus If you wish to hurt our pride you will have to undertake actions that are a blow to us rather than merely actions that you would consider a blow to yourself had the situation been reversed. Its very simple Octavinus. Before this war the general public found PIE to be a credible and capable Amarrian loyalist force with a long history of defending the Empire's interests. After this war the same general public will have received a lesson in just what a stuffed-shirt paper tiger this organisation truly is. Sure Archbishop will continue his sermons and boasting about ship production but the results of this campaign will remain on record and we'll have made a lasting impact on your reputation and legend. We've shown you can't oppose us in the capital of the Throne Worlds and pushed you back to the hinterlands. Colour that as you like but its quite a significant victory. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 14:37:00 - [130] Originally by: Casserina Leshrac This goes to my comments about the paramilitaries abandoning Amarr. We haven't abandoned Amarr. Quote: So far from the Loyalist side we have heard the following excuses: 1. It a corp vs corp war so the Empire will not get involved. The SF are not a threat to the Empire, so the Empire will not get involved. Quote: 2. We're not going to fight the Star Fraction because they are not that important. Almost correct. Quote: 3. We're supporting those who are fighting by providing critical materials to our allies. True friends always support each other. False friends allow their "military wings" to attack each other. Quote: 4. Amarr is not a "strategically" important target. Amarr's strategic importance depends upon the context. Clearly, anyone wanting to hurt the Empire and with the ability to capture Amarr would be advised to do so as it's an important administrative system with spiritual importance. However, since the factionistas are at best an annoyance their strategy to base themselves in Amarr seems odd. Quote: And yet a small professional force is still able to hold Amarr, away from the paramilitaries who have sworn to expand and defend the Empire as a mandate from God. The only people holding the Amarr system are the Amarrian people and their government. Quote: Really this doesn't say a lot about the paramilitaries ability to follow through. Rather than questioning our ability to follow through, you should be asking why we would feel the need to defend Amarr from someone who is not a threat. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 14:41:00 - [131] Hey Tommy! You make a great sheep, but a rotten goat... -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Natasha Donnan Caldari Fusion Enterprises Ltd DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.05.03 14:46:00 - [132] Edited by: Natasha Donnan on 03/05/2007 14:43:28 Edited by: Natasha Donnan on 03/05/2007 14:43:06 Originally by: Rodj Blake The SF are not a threat to the Empire, so the Empire will not get involved. Lets turn this around slightly and see what we see. By your own admission the Paramilitaries are not of any significance to the Empire and so the Empire will continue to refuse to defend them even when they are being butchered in the home world... Amusing isn't it? What was that commetn about friends again? _________________________________________ The Girl with the really Starey eyes.
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.03 14:49:00 - [133] Originally by: Natasha Donnan Edited by: Natasha Donnan on 03/05/2007 14:43:06 Originally by: Rodj Blake The SF are not a threat to the Empire, so the Empire will not get involved. Lets turn this around slightly and see what we see. By your own admission the Paramilitaries are not of any significance to the Empire and and so the Empire will continue to refuse to defend them even when they are being butchered in the home world... Amusing isn't it? What was that commetn about friends again? A matter of beaurocracy at the hands of CONCORD, not that such things matter. PIE and her allies will deal with the matter as necessary, unless the Fractionists are foolish enough to take on the might of the Imperial Navy itself. Serve the Emperor Above all Others
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 14:51:00 - [134] Originally by: Natasha Donnan Edited by: Natasha Donnan on 03/05/2007 14:43:28 Edited by: Natasha Donnan on 03/05/2007 14:43:06 Originally by: Rodj Blake The SF are not a threat to the Empire, so the Empire will not get involved. Lets turn this around slightly and see what we see. By your own admission the Paramilitaries are not of any significance to the Empire and so the Empire will continue to refuse to defend them even when they are being butchered in the home world... Amusing isn't it? What was that commetn about friends again? Who said anything about us getting butchered? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 14:52:00 - [135] Originally by: Archbishop Still given our far smaller size to the Star Fraction at the start of this war in terms of non-planetbound pilots it's clear why you picked PIE as a target. You continue to follow your "trend" of attacking corporations you view as "paper tigers" to gain quick IGS forum war victories over. After failing for so many years in 0.0 to accomplish anything save garnering the distain people generally feel for you I can understand why you fled to Empire and now attack those you view you can gain "fast wins" over. Still you will find that PIE has been around a long time and will continue to be. I'm sure at some point you'll claim "victory" when we have many planetbound pilots and thats fine. Star Fraction is Star Fraction after all. It's kind of a trend. I'm sorry to say that your conception of our targetting strategy is false. We have consistently selected targets we felt were capable and a serious threat to our future. At the start of this war PIE had numbers, plus or minus a couple, on a par with the Star Fraction and we had absolutely no reason to suppose that the majority of your pilots were 'planetbound'. I can tell you that some of ours were planetbound and that some of our pilots only operate at the logistical level. We assumed a broadly similar spread would be so in PIE. Did we have a misconception of PIE when we started? Well, we considered that PIE was a capable military force and that any war against it would advance our cause while testing us in the advancement of that cause. We anticipated your allies would become involved but we really did make the assessment that PIE itself would be capable of posing a serious threat to our operations in and of itself. Now you tell us that PIE was not capable of doing so. I really did not anticipate that a vice-admiral and director of PIE would come onto GalNet and say the things you have said. Regardless of that, we claim victory when it is meaningful to do so. We admit defeat when it is necessary. Others in the nationalist paramilitary coalition acknowledge this. All your blather simply fools yourself and nobody else. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 14:55:00 - [136] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Archbishop Still given our far smaller size to the Star Fraction at the start of this war in terms of non-planetbound pilots it's clear why you picked PIE as a target. You continue to follow your "trend" of attacking corporations you view as "paper tigers" to gain quick IGS forum war victories over. After failing for so many years in 0.0 to accomplish anything save garnering the distain people generally feel for you I can understand why you fled to Empire and now attack those you view you can gain "fast wins" over. Still you will find that PIE has been around a long time and will continue to be. I'm sure at some point you'll claim "victory" when we have many planetbound pilots and thats fine. Star Fraction is Star Fraction after all. It's kind of a trend. I'm sorry to say that your conception of our targetting strategy is false. We have consistently selected targets we felt were capable and a serious threat to our future. At the start of this war PIE had numbers, plus or minus a couple, on a par with the Star Fraction and we had absolutely no reason to suppose that the majority of your pilots were 'planetbound'. I can tell you that some of ours were planetbound and that some of our pilots only operate at the logistical level. We assumed a broadly similar spread would be so in PIE. Did we have a misconception of PIE when we started? Well, we considered that PIE was a capable military force and that any war against it would advance our cause while testing us in the advancement of that cause. We anticipated your allies would become involved but we really did make the assessment that PIE itself would be capable of posing a serious threat to our operations in and of itself. Now you tell us that PIE was not capable of doing so. I really did not anticipate that a vice-admiral and director of PIE would come onto GalNet and say the things you have said. Regardless of that, we claim victory when it is meaningful to do so. We admit defeat when it is necessary. Others in the nationalist paramilitary coalition acknowledge this. All your blather simply fools yourself and nobody else. The Cosmopolite Really Cosmopolite, after all of your past comments about people putting words in other people's mouths, I expected better from you. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 14:59:00 - [137] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Its very simple Octavinus. Before this war the general public found PIE to be a credible and capable Amarrian loyalist force with a long history of defending the Empire's interests. After this war the same general public will have received a lesson in just what a stuffed-shirt paper tiger this organisation truly is. Sure Archbishop will continue his sermons and boasting about ship production but the results of this campaign will remain on record and we'll have made a lasting impact on your reputation and legend. So now you're not even in this to hurt our pride but rather to smear our reputation? Is that an official Star Fraction position or merely a consequence of your own private vendetta? You've posted it yourself in this very post above, PIE has a "long history of defending the Empire's interests". The Empire allows you to use it's facilities in the Throne worlds. How would it look if the defenders of the empire then tried to overrule that decision? Your presence in the Throne worlds are of no real concern to us. Our reputation has been earned through years of service to the Empire. We still serve the Empire. We shall continue to serve the Empire. Our reputation will remain intact, regardless of your actions or your presence in Amarr. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine We've shown you can't oppose us in the capital of the Throne Worlds and pushed you back to the hinterlands. Rule number one when doing propaganda is making what appear to be feasible claims Jasmine. This is just ridiculous. The Amarr block is perfectly capabale of operating in Amarr whenever we desire. You haven't "pushed" us anywhere - while we frequently come to Amarr in our operations, our main forces were located in Providence before this war, they're located in Providence during this war and they'll be located in Providence after this war. But you're right in one thing - it is very simple. Star Fraction has made a gross miscalculation when deciding to base yourselves in Amarr prior to this war. You must have imagined that we loyalists would throw ourselves at you piecemeal and in disarray. Instead you find yourselves up against an enemy on whom you have no real impact. Thus your all to evident frustration. Now, your own pride makes it impossible for you to admit to your mistake. We shall see each other in space. When we come looking for you - until then enjoy the view from Emp Station in Amarr. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.03 15:01:00 - [138] Rodj, I am thinking that you are missing the point here. A couple of weeks ago the Star Fraction attempted to capture or divert Brother Joshua of the Theology Council from his assigned duties. PIE was on hand providing cover so that the Speaker of the Truth could finish his mission. The strike was against an obvious agent of the Empire. And PIE was working as with the said agent and therefore can be considered an agency of the Empire. While the mission was a success for PIE and the Theology Council. This operation really wasn't about a corp volunteering its services to assisting a government agency. It was a corp empowered as a government entity to fulfill a specific duty. I am wondering if you have recieved any more "government contracts" since the last incident involving Brother Joshua? My belief is that you haven't since you left Amarr to the Star Fraction. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 15:02:00 - [139] Originally by: Rodj Blake Really Cosmopolite, after all of your past comments about people putting words in other people's mouths, I expected better from you. What words have I put in Archbishop's mouth? He has said that PIE had so many pilots 'planetbound' that the organisation was 'far smaller' than us in terms of the ability to project power in space. That is simply saying that PIE itself was not capable of posing a threat to us, which is indeed contrary to our assessment before declaring war. If he was seeking to make some other point, please tell me what it is and I will happily change my interpretation. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 15:04:00 - [140] Originally by: Casserina Leshrac I am wondering if you have recieved any more "government contracts" since the last incident involving Brother Joshua? My belief is that you haven't since you left Amarr to the Star Fraction. You may believe what you like, even if those beliefs are false. And we haven't left Amarr to the Star Fraction. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.03 15:16:00 - [141] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Casserina Leshrac I am wondering if you have recieved any more "government contracts" since the last incident involving Brother Joshua? My belief is that you haven't since you left Amarr to the Star Fraction. You may believe what you like, even if those beliefs are false. And we haven't left Amarr to the Star Fraction. Careful Rodj, I think she's after your job. Serve the Emperor Above all Others
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 15:36:00 - [142] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus The Amarr block is perfectly capabale of operating in Amarr whenever we desire. You haven't "pushed" us anywhere I'm not an adict, I can give up any time I want, I just don't want to is all... Originally by: Octavinus Augustus while we frequently come to Amarr in our operations, our main forces were located in Providence before this war, they're located in Providence during this war and they'll be located in Providence after this war. Hmmm that rings a bell... Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Let me state this clearly: Before this war PIE and her allies have used Amarr and surrounding systems as a base of operations. During this war PIE and her allies will use Amarr and surrounding systems as a base of operations. After this war PIE and her allies will use Amarr and surrounding systems as a base of operations. Octavinus Augustus response to SF War Dec -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 15:51:00 - [143] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Originally by: Octavinus Augustus The Amarr block is perfectly capabale of operating in Amarr whenever we desire. You haven't "pushed" us anywhere I'm not an adict, I can give up any time I want, I just don't want to is all... Originally by: Octavinus Augustus while we frequently come to Amarr in our operations, our main forces were located in Providence before this war, they're located in Providence during this war and they'll be located in Providence after this war. Hmmm that rings a bell... Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Let me state this clearly: Before this war PIE and her allies have used Amarr and surrounding systems as a base of operations. During this war PIE and her allies will use Amarr and surrounding systems as a base of operations. After this war PIE and her allies will use Amarr and surrounding systems as a base of operations. Octavinus Augustus response to SF War Dec Sharper readers will have noticed that those two statements are not mutually exclusive. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 15:54:00 - [144] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 03/05/2007 15:50:26 Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Originally by: Octavinus Augustus The Amarr block is perfectly capabale of operating in Amarr whenever we desire. You haven't "pushed" us anywhere I'm not an adict, I can give up any time I want, I just don't want to is all... Originally by: Octavinus Augustus while we frequently come to Amarr in our operations, our main forces were located in Providence before this war, they're located in Providence during this war and they'll be located in Providence after this war. Hmmm that rings a bell... Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Let me state this clearly: Before this war PIE and her allies have used Amarr and surrounding systems as a base of operations. During this war PIE and her allies will use Amarr and surrounding systems as a base of operations. After this war PIE and her allies will use Amarr and surrounding systems as a base of operations. Octavinus Augustus response to SF War Dec Sharper readers will have noticed that those two statements are not mutually exclusive. Only if your "base of operations" is a mid point safe for a covert ops frigate every couple of days... Star Fraction is recruiting
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.03 16:04:00 - [145] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Only if your "base of operations" is a mid point safe for a covert ops frigate every couple of days... Conjecture, stick to the facts please. Serve the Emperor Above all Others
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 16:26:00 - [146] Originally by: Kallanagh Tellen Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Only if your "base of operations" is a mid point safe for a covert ops frigate every couple of days... Conjecture, stick to the facts please. I am in Amarr contesting the war in space and you aren't. Which of our opinions on current military deployment is more likely to be pure conjecture I wonder? Star Fraction is recruiting
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.03 16:30:00 - [147] Odd, I was picking up cargo there this morning. Ohhhhhhhhh I'm sorry, I must have broken your immense corp obliterating grasp of the system. Nevermind I'll no doubt see you docked in the vicinity in the near future. Serve the Emperor Above all Others
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 16:32:00 - [148] Very true Rodjy boy, which is why I included the link so that the reader can read a it all in context. At which point, your attempts at spin show you to be clutching at straws. I'm going to leave the rest to the reader, I'm sure they'll be happier making up their own minds -------------------------------------------- Join Now
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 16:36:00 - [149] Originally by: Kallanagh Tellen Odd, I was picking up cargo there this morning. Ohhhhhhhhh I'm sorry, I must have broken your immense corp obliterating grasp of the system. Nevermind I'll no doubt see you docked in the vicinity in the near future. You are not in a state of war with us, your organisation having failed to meet any of its war aims and having retracted in defeat. Challenging us to stop someone in Empire who we are not at war with is completely ridiculous and you know it. If this is the nonsensical level to which your argument descends when it is pointed out that you are not contesting our presence in Amarr any more, it is no wonder you failed miserably to meet your objectives. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 16:38:00 - [150] Originally by: Kallanagh Tellen Nevermind I'll no doubt see you docked in the vicinity in the near future. Pretty rich from a man that hasn't even dared appose us in combat. Archy can't be supplying you well if you're reduced to this in hope of getting a T1 Frigate. -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.03 16:45:00 - [151] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Kallanagh Tellen Odd, I was picking up cargo there this morning. Ohhhhhhhhh I'm sorry, I must have broken your immense corp obliterating grasp of the system. Nevermind I'll no doubt see you docked in the vicinity in the near future. You are not in a state of war with us, your organisation having failed to meet any of its war aims and having retracted in defeat. Challenging us to stop someone in Empire who we are not at war with is completely ridiculous and you know it. If this is the nonsensical level to which your argument descends when it is pointed out that you are not contesting our presence in Amarr any more, it is no wonder you failed miserably to meet your objectives. The Cosmopolite If you are wishing to contest the ownership of Amarr perhaps this would be a matter you should discuss with the Empire, although I am sure that you would have little success. I believe the matter of objectives has been discussed previously, the laughable nature to which the SF compaign as dropped is a clear signal as to your true level of threat. We stand as ever with the neeed of our allies in PIE, although I am quite sure that their safety is in no great danger. Your public image in the face of this episode I would gamble is. perhaps when this 'phase' shows any credability then the Vigilia Valeria's stance in the conflict will be reviewed. Serve the Emperor Above all Others
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.03 16:47:00 - [152] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Originally by: Kallanagh Tellen Nevermind I'll no doubt see you docked in the vicinity in the near future. Pretty rich from a man that hasn't even dared appose us in combat. Archy can't be supplying you well if you're reduced to this in hope of getting a T1 Frigate. Every man has their place in the great machine, the contributions of the alliances, the corporations and my own play their relative part. Perhaps when your own 'contribution' bring you from under the skirt of CONCORD then we shall discuss the matter further. Serve the Emperor Above all Others
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 16:47:00 - [153] A reply to Sable Schroedinger and Jasmine Constantine on my part is in order I assume. First, let me notice that Ms Constantine fail to reply to the question of wether the objective of simply smearing the reputation of PIE is an official Star Fraction objective or some private objective stemming from a personal vendetta. I guess there is no easy answer to that one. Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Originally by: Octavinus Augustus The Amarr block is perfectly capabale of operating in Amarr whenever we desire. You haven't "pushed" us anywhere I'm not an adict, I can give up any time I want, I just don't want to is all... Your reply would carry some weight were it not for the fact that we do operate in Amarr regularly. Will you acknowledge this Mr Schroedinger, or will you join the ranks of those of your allies who falsely claim that we can not? I sincerely hope that you choose to acknowledge my point Mr Schroedinger - even though we disagree on many points I have never yet known you to speak out against your better knowledge. It would sadden me to see it now. As for the question of the positions of our bases of operations, I fail to see any discrepancy in my posts. We operate out of bases both in Amarr and Providence - as well as several other places. If there is some point to your post I have missed Mr Schroedinger, I can only apologize and ask you to reiterate it for my sake. Otherwise I'm afraid it will go unanswered. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 17:38:00 - [154] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 03/05/2007 17:35:06 Originally by: Kallanagh Tellen Odd, I was picking up cargo there this morning. Ohhhhhhhhh I'm sorry, I must have broken your immense corp obliterating grasp of the system. Nevermind I'll no doubt see you docked in the vicinity in the near future. Haven't your leaders told you? Vigilia Valeria droped the wardec. You are no longer in the war. (as a consequence you can do whatever shopping you like in Amarr) Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 17:41:00 - [155] Originally by: Kallanagh Tellen Every man has their place in the great machine, the contributions of the alliances, the corporations and my own play their relative part. Unless "your part" is posting on Galnet I can't see how you are achieving much. Star Fraction is recruiting
GulletSplitter Minmatar Colonial Fleet Services	Posted - 2007.05.03 17:41:00 - [156] Thanks for the reply Octavinus Augustus and other PIE folks. I was looking for more of what you guys "take" was on the way the war was moving and it's reasons. I'm surprised at how much came out of the Amarr block over the past 24 hours. So my take from the last few hours of posts is: 1) Come Closer û Is SF to far from the seats of the militiaÆs power? And does Amarr Prime really count when opposing Amarr paramilitaries? Amarr Take - SF is deemed not important enough cause they should be closer to the Amarr blocks "home". SF Take - That would be suicide because of our size compared to the Amarr Block. 2) A stain upon your honor û Is SF out to sully PIEÆs name or to destroy it as an organization? Amarr Take - Who cares what the IGS folks think...it's between the Empire, God and ourselves to determine who is honorable. PIE will stay as is regardless. SF Take - We want to show PIE to be honor less "Paper Tigers" and therefore show everyone who will listen that itÆs powerless. I do have to say IÆve been confused now that we have more ôofficialö SF voices in the fray. Mainly in is it a fight about honor or destruction of PIE? ItÆs probably because IÆm having to skim through the postings instead of fully reading them due to uhàhaving to read through some loading documents. ((OOC: IÆm at work))
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 17:47:00 - [157] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus First, let me notice that Ms Constantine fail to reply to the question of wether the objective of simply smearing the reputation of PIE is an official Star Fraction objective or some private objective stemming from a personal vendetta. I guess there is no easy answer to that one. Dear oh Dear. Its not a "smear" if we actively demonstrate you are incapable of meaningful resistence to an enemy presence in your Empire's Capital System - thats a strategic fact. It has always been part of our war-aims (as explained naturally enough in our declaration of war) to reveal that PIE is a worthless and febrile organisation without the courage of its stated convictions and use your bleating as "the goat" to bring others to the slaughter. But on the wider issue of replies - honestly, if I felt obliged to every aberrant charge or accusation leveled by an amarrian nationalist I'd never have time to actually shoot you. Sometimes individual questions get lost in the general frother. Rodj alone manages to write tens of thousands of words split up into hundreds of quote blocks and twisted illogical shapes - do you honestly think we actually read everything you people write? Star Fraction is recruiting
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.03 17:55:00 - [158] Originally by: GulletSplitter Thanks for the reply Octavinus Augustus and other PIE folks. I was looking for more of what you guys "take" was on the way the war was moving and it's reasons. I'm surprised at how much came out of the Amarr block over the past 24 hours. So my take from the last few hours of posts is: 1) Come Closer û Is SF to far from the seats of the militiaÆs power? And does Amarr Prime really count when opposing Amarr paramilitaries? Amarr Take - SF is deemed not important enough cause they should be closer to the Amarr blocks "home". SF Take - That would be suicide because of our size compared to the Amarr Block. 2) A stain upon your honor û Is SF out to sully PIEÆs name or to destroy it as an organization? Amarr Take - Who cares what the IGS folks think...it's between the Empire, God and ourselves to determine who is honorable. PIE will stay as is regardless. SF Take - We want to show PIE to be honor less "Paper Tigers" and therefore show everyone who will listen that itÆs powerless. I do have to say IÆve been confused now that we have more ôofficialö SF voices in the fray. Mainly in is it a fight about honor or destruction of PIE? ItÆs probably because IÆm having to skim through the postings instead of fully reading them due to uhàhaving to read through some loading documents. ((OOC: IÆm at work)) I think it is nicely summed up by interests in holovid right and general self importance, somehow I dont believe PIE to be in any substantial risk other than continued aggrivation through communications traffic. But nevermind, I'm sure if Jasmine and her aids continue to harp on about questionable victories then someone may believe them... maybe. Serve the Emperor Above all Others
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 17:56:00 - [159] Originally by: GulletSplitter Thanks for the reply Octavinus Augustus and other PIE folks. I was looking for more of what you guys "take" was on the way the war was moving and it's reasons. I'm surprised at how much came out of the Amarr block over the past 24 hours. So my take from the last few hours of posts is: 1) Come Closer û Is SF to far from the seats of the militiaÆs power? And does Amarr Prime really count when opposing Amarr paramilitaries? When it comes to the time that the Amarr Capital System is no longer counted as valid location to confront Amarrian paramilitary organisations then I think we've won a final victory because in all truth and actuality these entities will have severed their own ties with the baseline nationalist governments in the empire and made their own destiny on the frontier. Ultimately that is the point we are making. We are attacking the link between Empire and Capsule Militia. By breaking that link we choke off the spread of contagion spreading from the old order into the frontier. Quote: 2) A stain upon your honor û Is SF out to sully PIEÆs name or to destroy it as an organization? Amarr Take - Who cares what the IGS folks think...it's between the Empire, God and ourselves to determine who is honorable. PIE will stay as is regardless. SF Take - We want to show PIE to be honor less "Paper Tigers" and therefore show everyone who will listen that itÆs powerless. It is impossible to completely destroy a capsule pilot organisation while they retain a single stubborn member prepared to weather any political inclemency and remain docked and galnet posting and operating with false-flagged subordinates in empire space. It is however very possible to reveal such an organisation to be the "paper tigers" we say they are and demonstrate to the general public that such entities are entirely incapable of fulfilling their own mission-statements let alone opposing the will of independent free captains seeking to demolish the links between the Empire and the Capsule movement. Quote: I do have to say IÆve been confused now that we have more ôofficialö SF voices in the fray. Mainly in is it a fight about honor or destruction of PIE? PIE is and has been our "judas goat" - we staked them out in the sunshine and their allies followed them to slaughter. They have been very useful in their role. Ultimately we know we will never silence the like's of Archbishop and his cronies but by eliminating their ability to achieve anything in support of the Empire they claim to revere we prove our point and further the Star Fraction cause. Star Fraction is recruiting
Kovid Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 18:43:00 - [160] Originally by: Archbishop God knows our hearts and knows it is enough. Another priest presuming to know what god thinks and doing the talking. Embrace post-humanism. It's much better than making up things as you go along. ---------------------------------- An informal Star Fraction FAQ \| ----------------------------------
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.03 18:48:00 - [161] Edited by: Octavinus Augustus on 03/05/2007 18:46:28 An answer to GulletSplitter: First, I must in all honesty point out that I am not an official spokesman on behalf of PIE. I do believe however, that the views I express are shared by my corporation and the Amarr loyalist block in general. All in all your summation seems to be correct in it's essentials. Let me just make a few comments. Originally by: GulletSplitter 1) Come Closer û Is SF to far from the seats of the militiaÆs power? And does Amarr Prime really count when opposing Amarr paramilitaries? Amarr Take - SF is deemed not important enough cause they should be closer to the Amarr blocks "home". SF Take - That would be suicide because of our size compared to the Amarr Block. To quote the original posts on the Star Fractions strategic objectives: "The fighters of the Star Fraction will wage war against the Amarr Empire's capsuleer lackies the better to oppose the spread of the tyrannical 'order' that is espoused by the Empire and all who support it." We have merely pointed out that huddling in Amarr does not really serve this purpose. If Star Fraction wish to combat the 'spread of the tyrranical 'order'' the obvious place to do this would be in Providence. Originally by: GulletSplitter 2) A stain upon your honor û Is SF out to sully PIEÆs name or to destroy it as an organization? Amarr Take - Who cares what the IGS folks think...it's between the Empire, God and ourselves to determine who is honorable. PIE will stay as is regardless. SF Take - We want to show PIE to be honor less "Paper Tigers" and therefore show everyone who will listen that itÆs powerless. Again reading the original posts on behalf of Star Fraction, it seems clear to me that they are out to destroy us as a coherent force rather than just smearing our name - that last bit has come solely from Jasmine Constantine I believe. Even if they wish to show us "powerless" would the way to do that not be to engage us where we could actually get hurt, rather than simply sitting in Amarr waiting for our squads to appear? Originally by: GulletSplitter I do have to say IÆve been confused now that we have more ôofficialö SF voices in the fray. Mainly in is it a fight about honor or destruction of PIE? I think you will find that it is a bot of both, depending on which Star Fraction pilot you ask. The individualist nature of their organisation permits 'independant star captains' to have whatever opinions they want - even if such opinions are in contradiction to official Star Fractionite doctrine. Perhaps this is shown rather well by this statement by Mr Cosmopolite. I can also state that it is my opinion that most Star Fraction pilots are in fact out to destroy us as a functioning entity rather than merely smearing our good name - most of Star Fractions pilots are way to honorable to stoop to such tactics. When it comes down to it, I think that the last objective is held only by a minority of one single Star Fraction pilot. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.03 20:05:00 - [162] Originally by: The Cosmopolite You are not in a state of war with us, your organisation having failed to meet any of its war aims and having retracted in defeat. Challenging us to stop someone in Empire who we are not at war with is completely ridiculous and you know it. If this is the nonsensical level to which your argument descends when it is pointed out that you are not contesting our presence in Amarr any more, it is no wonder you failed miserably to meet your objectives. The Cosmopolite I answered that on page 3 already - watching you docked up in Emperor Station for hours on end just didn't convince us you are a threat anymore. Sorry, you were probably not docked up but 'had some hours to spend at your leisure'. Calling us defeated in the light of why the war was retracted (and well within the set goals) is quite funny. At that point in time you posed absolutely no threat as you were pretty much docked up non-stop. As I already pointed out I don't know if that changed as I am currently planetbound. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 20:18:00 - [163] Originally by: Tharrn At that point in time you posed absolutely no threat as you were pretty much docked up non-stop. As I already pointed out I don't know if that changed as I am currently planetbound. We have destroyed Amarrian paramilitary vessels in Amarr and surrounding systems on every day of the war. Indeed, in the seven days preceding your retraction, we destroyed many, many Amarrian vessels across imperial space. How this amounts to posing 'absolutely no threat' you will no doubt try and explain in the usual convoluted logic of the Amarrian paramilitary. That won't change the fact that you bowed out of the war with not a single one of your objectives achieved. You can try again but until you do so, you are defeated in terms of your own objectives. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.03 20:29:00 - [164] Edited by: Kallanagh Tellen on 03/05/2007 20:27:39 Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Tharrn We have destroyed Amarrian paramilitary vessels in Amarr and surrounding systems on every day of the war. Indeed, in the seven days preceding your retraction, we destroyed many, many Amarrian vessels across imperial space. How this amounts to posing 'absolutely no threat' you will no doubt try and explain in the usual convoluted logic of the Amarrian paramilitary. That won't change the fact that you bowed out of the war with not a single one of your objectives achieved. You can try again but until you do so, you are defeated in terms of your own objectives. The Cosmopolite Yet PIE remains, you huddle under the safety of CONCORD and your only true presence is as a bleating voice playing to the crowd. No wonder the declaration was not continued. perhaps when you become a serious threat then the Executor shall reconsider, until that day we shall continue to serve our brothers and the Empire. Edit: Damned layout Serve the Emperor Above all Others
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.03 20:50:00 - [165] Originally by: Kallanagh Tellen Yet PIE remains, you huddle under the safety of CONCORD and your only true presence is as a bleating voice playing to the crowd. No wonder the declaration was not continued. perhaps when you become a serious threat then the Executor shall reconsider, until that day we shall continue to serve our brothers and the Empire. We have waived CONCORD protection by entering into formal war with PIE so your talk of that is spurious. Vigilia Valeria objectives were: 1) See SF retract their war against PIE: not met. 2) See SF retreat from Amarr and its vicinity: not met. 3) See SF cease to be a threat to 'normal trade and shipping': not met.* You failed to meet any of your objectives. A bitter pill, I am sure, but it remains the case. The Cosmopolite * Where said objective is meaningful and 'normal trade and shipping' includes Amarrian loyalist vessels which have continued to be destroyed by us throughout the course of the campaign. If it never included Amarrian loyalist vessels it was, of course, a completely dishonest objective. The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.03 21:06:00 - [166] Originally by: The Cosmopolite We have waived CONCORD protection by entering into formal war with PIE so your talk of that is spurious. Vigilia Valeria objectives were: 1) See SF retract their war against PIE: not met. 2) See SF retreat from Amarr and its vicinity: not met. 3) See SF cease to be a threat to 'normal trade and shipping': not met.* You failed to meet any of your objectives. A bitter pill, I am sure, but it remains the case. The Cosmopolite * Where said objective is meaningful and 'normal trade and shipping' includes Amarrian loyalist vessels which have continued to be destroyed by us throughout the course of the campaign. If it never included Amarrian loyalist vessels it was, of course, a completely dishonest objective. The point has already been answered by my superior officer, but let me repeat some of the core repeat: 1) PIE Lives on, even flourishes in the face of the 'adversity' 2) The SF has failed to impact on the activites of either the loyalists to any great degree, essentially bogging itself down to the interior systems 3) The SF fail to carry out an effective presence by avoiding lower security systems. You have failed to promote yourself as a threat, we have finished with you until the time in which requests our aid (an unlikely prospect considering your current performance). Serve the Emperor Above all Others
Sami Yahn'ko Gallente The Butterfly Rebellion	Posted - 2007.05.03 22:07:00 - [167] When it comes to the time that the Amarr Capital System is no longer counted as valid location to confront Amarrian paramilitary organizations then I think we've won a final victory because in all truth and actuality these entities will have severed their own ties with the baseline nationalist governments in the empire and made their own destiny on the frontier. "Final victory" Ms. Constantine? Perhaps here it is just a use of the words to mean a more localized success, but still, no harm and much worthwhile cause in reminding you that "it cannot be". A notion that struck a chord with me long before I took to space, and one I have carried with me and appropriated in my own ways since. I am almost fearing here, that you've momentarily forgotten. I hope the good Doctor chided you, if only slightly. Words such as those, in movements like these, they must be used carefully after all, no? More importantly, "it cannot be" even if you are talking about that localized hypothetical situation. It is not the case that the stubborn Amarrians will cut any ties whatsoever except the most pragmatic and self-sustaining. In truth, if the Eve Gate contracted tomorrow and collapsed New Eden into a dark age, leaving only PIE alive - we all know what kind of world they would shape, even entirely cut off from the "source" of their meme. These "people" daily work towards extending the monolith of regression known as the Empire into Providence, all without an Emperor. Their kind would extend it further, without even an Empire itself, let alone an Emperor. If they were capable. Amusingly they're incapable of removing a roster of 80 anarchists from their HQ system, so I really can't emphasize that "if" enough. Nevertheless, if, then. Of this I have no doubt, and I urge you to realize this important truth. Perhaps you already do, and other melodies are playing here so people dance to a different tune. I don't profess or assume to know. You see I don't think the Empire is the source any more, not for PIE. They have had their fill, and nothing will change for them. I do not think you are capable of "cutting the link" here. No, it is too late to save the likes of PIE and their ilk, and I have my doubts that this is indeed what this war is about. This is not to repeat the Amarrian dogma that this war is irrelevant, or the cause for which you fight is futile. No, I am trying to illustrate the point that you are in real danger of misunderstanding your enemy, and worse yet, the wars you fight, if you truly believe the likes of PIE can in any significant way, have the link cut from between them and the "source" of the meme that now consumes their minds to the point of an almost embarassing display of their own irrelevance. I do not think this meme can be purged from PIE. I do not think any link can be truly broken. For PIE, what ties them to their doings now is as unbreakable as the chains that bind slaves to their Vitoc (I hope you like that example, Amarrians, I find it so incredibly apt). I do not think by breaking that link, even if possible, they would make any destiny other than the one their dogma demands they make. What you can do. What you are doing. What you have done in the past. Is not purging, but punishing. Yes, you may stop a few recruits from joining PIE ranks, more importantly though, you make an example of nationalists, and in doing so, invite reflection, and questioning. I find that myself, to be the crux of your fight. The "paper tiger war" you wage here is not about cures, it is about the prevention that makes them redundant. Inviting a critical, or perhaps even just an initial questioning of previously unchallenged beliefs...I think underneath all of this, that is what you are achieving, rather than severing ties that are so deeply ingrained, they cannot properly be severed. Perhaps though, I have misunderstood you. I do enjoy such contemplation at times regardless. I hope it's not unwelcome here.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.03 22:27:00 - [168] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Why bother when we can blow each others ships to pieces in the Throne World capital Garreck (nice fight) Your proposal is acceptable! An embarassing CVA loss in the face of my hours-fresh claim that Star Fraction were not yet excercising strategic control: that engagement was precipitated by completely inaccurate intelligence, a sign of, at the very least, our own lack of strategic control. I'll see to it that the mistake does not repeat itself.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 00:42:00 - [169] Originally by: Kallanagh Tellen You have failed to promote yourself as a threat, we have finished with you until the time in which PIE requests our aid (an unlikely prospect considering your current performance). Is that so? * The Cosmopolite chuckles... Well, we will be sure to bear that in mind. For the rest, I'm happy to let others look at your stated objectives, determine the facts for themselves, and then make their own minds up as to whether you achieved them or not. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 01:03:00 - [170] Quote: Ultimately we know we will never silence the like's of Archbishop and his cronies but by eliminating their ability to achieve anything in support of the Empire they claim to revere we prove our point and further the Star Fraction cause. Oh I don't know about that... one of those Sani Sabik folks posted something a few posts up asking about any more operations being granted since we escorted Brother Joshua. I guess I'll just say you'll find out about them like you did the last one. By reading about their success in the news. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 01:11:00 - [171] Quote: It is however very possible to reveal such an organisation to be the "paper tigers" we say they are and demonstrate to the general public that such entities are entirely incapable of fulfilling their own mission-statements let alone opposing the will of independent free captains seeking to demolish the links between the Empire and the Capsule movement. So you are going to "demolish the links between PIE and the Empire". This is your new mission objective? So given this statement you're indicating that the Empire will abandon PIE and never again seek it's assistance because you have "demolished the links". As I am fairly sure the Empire will continue to approach PIE from time to time for special assignments I could then fairly well assume you've failed this objective as well. If the "links were demolished" after all we'd never help the Empire again right? Keep trying though maybe you'll come up with an objective you can actually accomplish! Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 01:45:00 - [172] Originally by: Archbishop As I am fairly sure the Empire will continue to approach PIE from time to time for special assignments I'm sure the Imperial powers will know where to come if they want Galnet posts making Star Fraction is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 02:21:00 - [173] Quote: I'm sure the Imperial powers will know where to come if they want Galnet posts making. Of course they will just as they did with Brother Joshua and all the other times we've successfully assisted the Empire. But as you said when the links are demolished and we're not doing anything successful for the Empire you will have your "victory". By that standard then if PIE would complete any mission for the Empire that would likewise indicate you have failed and had been defeated yourself. I agree with your line of thinking 100% Jasmine thank you for explaining it so clearly. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 02:24:00 - [174] Originally by: Archbishop By that standard then if PIE would complete any mission for the Empire that would likewise indicate you have failed and had been defeated yourself. I think you misunderstand me clergyman. I'm saying that the only mission you could complete for the Empire at the moment is likely to involve composing posts on the Galnet. And with the best will in the world - not even we can stop you doing that. Star Fraction is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 03:30:00 - [175] Quote: I think you misunderstand me clergyman. I'm saying that the only mission you could complete for the Empire at the moment is likely to involve composing posts on the Galnet. And with the best will in the world - not even we can stop you doing that. Considering circumstances in PIE today are identical to a few weeks ago when we successfully escorted Brother Joshua I'll happily acknowledge that you aren't able to stop us from doing anything. Thank you for making my point. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 03:35:00 - [176] Anyway I've enjoyed our discussion Jasmine it's always nice to interact with the lessor races as it enables me to learn more about their traits and personalities. It helps me plan the eventual Enlightenment of so many different types of people. But I must retire planetside for a few days so I must leave now. I will make an effort when I return to join the Amarrian bloc fleet in operations. I trust I will see both you and your CEO there at the same time as well. I lost an Armageddon Battleship to your CEO in the previous war and it would be nice to get another shot at her. I have hopes my planetside duties will lighten up enough to give me the opportunity. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 04:00:00 - [177] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 04/05/2007 04:00:53 Originally by: Archbishop Considering circumstances in PIE today are identical to a few weeks ago ... Not remotely true Archbishop. A few weeks ago the PIE military had the ability to put more than two ships in Throne World space at the same time. Star Fraction is recruiting
Sami Yahn'ko Gallente The Butterfly Rebellion	Posted - 2007.05.04 05:10:00 - [178] Did I hit too close too home, or so far away from it that you found it better to argue with a preacher of slavery and a practitioner of ineptitude? Other melodies I suppose. Or perhaps Mr. Archbishop and his cronies represent too good an opportunity for further humiliation? I would have raised the issue elsewhere as I have read in the past that the free captains don't like discussions of that nature in their diaries, but I was reluctant to do that for a number of reasons. I'll take it up elsewhere then I guess. Maybe a more fruitful endeavor. Maybe my pilots photo just scared you? I promise that it's just some kind of CONCORD incompetence, I really do have a fleshy head like the rest of you...
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 07:01:00 - [179] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 04/05/2007 04:00:53 Originally by: Archbishop Considering circumstances in PIE today are identical to a few weeks ago ... Not remotely true Archbishop. A few weeks ago the PIE military had the ability to put more than two ships in Throne World space at the same time. I am keeping this to quote, very soon. Your vanity is astonishing, even for a Gallente wench. ----------------------------------------------
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 11:49:00 - [180] Originally by: Gaius Kador Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 04/05/2007 04:00:53 Originally by: Archbishop Considering circumstances in PIE today are identical to a few weeks ago ... Not remotely true Archbishop. A few weeks ago the PIE military had the ability to put more than two ships in Throne World space at the same time. I am keeping this to quote, very soon. Your vanity is astonishing, even for a Gallente wench. Allow me to fill in the gaps for you, as a busy man might be too busy to do so and with a cliff hanger like that, it seems cruel to leave people waiting. 2 hours after this post where, I think its fair to say our fellow here marked his intension to make Jas eat her words, he brought an Armageddon battleship, flanked by 2 Harbinger battlecruisers to Amarr. Only one of those Harbingers survived the exercise, the other and Amageddon destroyed in short order by a light SF attack wing. To their credit, however, they did manage to destroy a Thorax and a Vexor (belonging to the same pilot) before they met their fate. Well done! That truely showed the Gallente Wench! -------------------------------------------- Join Now
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 11:51:00 - [181] Correction and Clarification At approximately 09.25, 109.05.04, three vessels transmitting identifiers of the PIE Inc. paramilitary organisation were sighted in Amarr system. This group comprised an Armageddon class battleship and two Harbinger class battlecruisers. Said PIE group was engaged by two Star Fraction command ships, assisted by a Lachesis class recon cruiser and a Thorax class standard cruiser. The PIE Armageddon, piloted by PIE 'Grand Inquisitor' Gaius Kador, and one of its Harbinger escorts were destroyed for the loss of the Thorax class cruiser and a Vexor class cruiser into which the Thorax pilot had reshipped. So, it would not be correct to say that PIE cannot field more than two ships in the Throne Worlds at once and the Star Fraction is very happy to issue this clarification. We will leave others to determine the 'threat level' implied by these events for themselves. Ends The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 12:02:00 - [182] Its true, I need to eat my words ... Quote: Not remotely true Archbishop. A few weeks ago the PIE military had the ability to keep more than two ships in Throne World space at the same time. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 12:18:00 - [183] And now, the next installment of my analysis of the factionista rhetoric. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine For the cost of 7 tech2 frigates, a basilisk class logistics cruiser, and Eris class Interdictor and a lone Rupture class cruiser we were able to account for 6 enemy tech2 frigates, 4 cruisers, 2 Battlecruisers and 4 more executions of enemy capsule pilots from the wreckage and more importantly, That doesn't sound like a massive SF victory to me, but then I guess it all depends upon how you enumerate the relative values of ships. Quote: we could go where we choose, fight where we wanted too, move with complete freedom and shut down all loyalist movement outside their largely static heavy fleets. That's odd. TES Vanguard, my Apocalypse class battleship was moving around the theatre on its own during this period of the war. Quote: The ex PIE admiral Gaven LokÆri himself paid a price for his overconfidence in this manner, for while a CVA fleet were ôblockadingö what they assumed was SF fleet capability in Amarr a light raiding force blew his Harbinger class Battlecruiser to pieces and scrambled his pod in the wreckage to usher him personally into his next reincarnation. Yet again, you mention light raiding parties as though they're some sort of tactical innovation, but when the loyalists have used similar tactics you have used it as evidence that we're on the ropes. Quote: The situation continued to improve and the next 24 hours saw the Fraction raiding gangs travelling from Amarr and the Throne worlds to the depths of Providence and back again, striking without warning and without mercy to take the lives of CVA and their allies anywhere they were found. For the loss of a single Crow class interceptor we destroyed: 4 Battleships (2 Abaddons, Raven, Dominix) a Vagabond class Heavy Assault Cruiser, a Myrmidon class Battlecruiser, 4 tech1 cruisers, a pair of Interceptor class frigates and a further eight capsule pilot executions to drive the message solidly home. Nowhere is space is safe from the reach of the Star Fraction in a declared war. My intel says that you lost more than a single Crow in lower Domain / Providence. Quote: Amarrian Morale slipping in the Throne Worlds û A duel to remember I put it to you that the only people who are in a position to know the state of Amarrian morale are the Amarrians themselves. Quote: Amarrian casualties continued to mount the following day with SF forces finding cause to clear Amarr Prime again from CVA counterattack with a pair of Battleships (Maestrom and Megathron) Munin class Heavy Assault Cruiser, and three tech2 frigates being slain over the course of the day for the exchange of 4 SF Battlecruisers and 4 tech2 frigates of various grades. But prize of place for the days fighting was the single combat victory of Free Captain Kin OreynÆs Thorax class cruiser over CVA pilot CountingCurses in a Zealot class Heavy assault Cruiser under the shadow of the EmperorÆs Statue at the Academy Station. Bringing pure guts and relentless combat talent to the fore the dashing Captain Oreyn charged the startled CVA Zealot commander and rapidly overcame the enhanced defences and firepower of the Amarrian vessel to win a famous victory for the Star Fraction that would go on to be broadcast on all the leading holonetworks across the inner sphere that day. I don't recall Amarr Certified News carrying this. Quote: Thorax vs Zealot û a brilliant result for Gallente panache over Amarrian pride and adding insult to injury the cheeky Captain Oreyn quickly docked his trusty thorax to return with a salvage vessel and managed to extract almost 100m isk worth of rare components from the breached hull of his deposed adversary. Combat zeal and economic smarts û truly the mindset of a Free Captain! So, a scavenger as well as a murderer. Well done indeed. On the subject of duels, I hear that your CEO had an interesting one the other day Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 12:25:00 - [184] Originally by: Rodj Blake On the subject of duels, I hear that your CEO had an interesting one Not that we know of, do tell? Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 12:35:00 - [185] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake On the subject of duels, I hear that your CEO had an interesting one Not that we know of, do tell? I wouldn't dream of going into the specifics here because I have no desire to derail the thread and it didn't happen last week, nor was it against a loyalist. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 12:49:00 - [186] Originally by: Rodj Blake I wouldn't dream of going into the specifics here because I have no desire to derail the thread and it didn't happen last week, nor was it against a loyalist. No idea what you are talking about, I'm guessing neither do you Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 12:52:00 - [187] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 04/05/2007 12:49:07 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake I wouldn't dream of going into the specifics here because I have no desire to derail the thread and it didn't happen last week, nor was it against a loyalist. No idea what you are talking about, I'm guessing neither do you I can see why you as an SF spin doctor would claim to have no knowledge of such an embarrassing incident, but since this isn't the thread to discuss friction between the factionistas and their "allies" in Bloodveil, I won't enlighten you. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 13:03:00 - [188] Originally by: Rodj Blake I can see why you as an SF spin doctor would claim to have no knowledge of such an embarrassing incident, but since this isn't the thread to discuss friction between the factionistas and their "allies" in Bloodveil, I won't enlighten you. This is sounding really spicy now - come on, spill the beans! Star Fraction is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 13:06:00 - [189] Edited by: Archbishop on 04/05/2007 13:03:08 Quote: Originally posted by: Jasmine Constantine Not remotely true Archbishop. A few weeks ago the PIE military had the ability to keep more than two ships in Throne World space at the same time. As we never kept a functioning operational base there anyway nothing is new. Amarr has been used in the past as a rallying point and ceremonial headquarters for PIE but our operational areas have always been quite different. Quote: Originally posted by: Rodj Blake I can see why you as an SF spin doctor would claim to have no knowledge of such an embarrassing incident, but since this isn't the thread to discuss friction between the factionistas and their "allies" in Bloodveil, I won't enlighten you. An excellent observation Admiral Blake in light of the reported circumstances of this event it is very clear Jasmine wouldn't wish to comment about such an embarassing turn of events for her cousin Jade and her Slepiner. I would suggest though that the Star Fraction send a technician to repair their killboard database.... it seeems an entry that was there just the other day has vanished! As we know the levels to which they rely on this killboard for their war diary information something like this could cripple their PR operations on IGS. After all showing that they have an inaccurate database would automatically render all their statistical and recorded statements suspect and moot. I would send that technician immediately if I were you. This is assuming the disappearance of this entry was simply a "computer error" and not an intentional act given the statements by the Star Fraction that their database is open to all for review. I've heard sunspots can cause computer errors after all. I guess they've moved their database to Amarr maybe? I would sugguest not leaving it in a rusty Bestower though as the rusted Armor hardly defends against those awful nationalistic gravimetric distortions and what not. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 13:09:00 - [190] Originally by: Archbishop As we never kept a functioning operational base there anyway nothing is new. Amarr has been used in the past as a rallying point and ceremonial headquarters for PIE but our operational areas have always been quite different. That is actually a direct contradiction of Octavious Augustus in reply to our declaration of war. Get your story straight! Star Fraction is recruiting
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 13:47:00 - [191] Originally by: Archbishop An excellent observation Admiral Blake in light of the reported circumstances of this event it is very clear Jasmine wouldn't wish to comment about such an embarassing turn of events for her cousin Jade and her Slepiner. I would suggest though that the Star Fraction send a technician to repair their killboard database.... it seeems an entry that was there just the other day has vanished! As we know the levels to which they rely on this killboard for their war diary information something like this could cripple their PR operations on IGS. After all showing that they have an inaccurate database would automatically render all their statistical and recorded statements suspect and moot. I would send that technician immediately if I were you. This is assuming the disappearance of this entry was simply a "computer error" and not an intentional act given the statements by the Star Fraction that their database is open to all for review. I am going to be quite open and honest about this because the truth is not something to fear. Jade Constantine's Sleipnir class vessel was destroyed in an accident during weapons and shield systems testing in which pilots of the Sani Sabik alliance took part. The incident was investigated and pending this the kill entry was posted to our database in line with our policy of posting all kills where enemy action may have taken place. The investigation determined that the incident was, in fact, an accident caused by the inattention of a Sani Sabik alliance pilot. Jade Constantine was reimbursed in full at market rate for ship and fittings. The kill entry was then intentionally removed as we have a very simple and straightforward policy with regards to our killboard. All losses due to enemy capsuleer action are posted. Losses resulting from training or testing accidents, tournaments or other non-warfare related losses where only friendlies are involved are not posted. To repeat: every loss inflicted on Star Fraction pilots by enemy action must be posted. This is a requirement within the Star Fraction that is rigorously enforced. These losses are made publicly available along with our kills for anyone to peruse. The suggestion our killboard is inaccurate, within this clear and simple policy, is a slur. We will take no lessons on our killboard policies from those who, for whatever reason, choose not to publicise any losses whatever. I may add that there was a recent incident of a false kill being accidently posted by the CVA alliance. We entirely accepted it was an accident and cast no aspersions on the CVA's honour as a result of that. We expect our courtesy in that matter to at least be respected in kind. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 13:49:00 - [192] I could of course point out that there is a subtle difference between an operational base and a base of operations, but I doubt that you would understand that. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.04 13:49:00 - [193] A rather unpleasant turn of events. Serve the Emperor Above all Others
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 13:52:00 - [194] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 04/05/2007 13:49:55 Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Archbishop An excellent observation Admiral Blake in light of the reported circumstances of this event it is very clear Jasmine wouldn't wish to comment about such an embarassing turn of events for her cousin Jade and her Slepiner. I would suggest though that the Star Fraction send a technician to repair their killboard database.... it seeems an entry that was there just the other day has vanished! As we know the levels to which they rely on this killboard for their war diary information something like this could cripple their PR operations on IGS. After all showing that they have an inaccurate database would automatically render all their statistical and recorded statements suspect and moot. I would send that technician immediately if I were you. This is assuming the disappearance of this entry was simply a "computer error" and not an intentional act given the statements by the Star Fraction that their database is open to all for review. I am going to be quite open and honest about this because the truth is not something to fear. Jade Constantine's Sleipnir class vessel was destroyed in an accident during weapons and shield systems testing in which pilots of the Sani Sabik alliance took part. The incident was investigated and pending this the kill entry was posted to our database in line with our policy of posting all kills where enemy action may have taken place. The investigation determined that the incident was, in fact, an accident caused by the inattention of a Sani Sabik alliance pilot. Jade Constantine was reimbursed in full at market rate for ship and fittings. The kill entry was then intentionally removed as we have a very simple and straightforward policy with regards to our killboard. All losses due to enemy capsuleer action are posted. Losses resulting from training or testing accidents, tournaments or other non-warfare related losses where only friendlies are involved are not posted. To repeat: every loss inflicted on Star Fraction pilots by enemy action must be posted. This is a requirement within the Star Fraction that is rigorously enforced. These losses are made publicly available along with our kills for anyone to peruse. The suggestion our killboard is inaccurate, within this clear and simple policy, is a slur. We will take no lessons on our killboard policies from those who, for whatever reason, choose not to publicise any losses whatever. I may add that there was a recent incident of a false kill being accidently posted by the CVA alliance. We entirely accepted it was an accident and cast no aspersions on the CVA's honour as a result of that. We expect our courtesy in that matter to at least be respected in kind. The Cosmopolite So then, what you're telling is that Jade was unaware of her alliance's policy regarding loss mails, and so posted it, only removing it later when she realised that she needn't have done so? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 13:57:00 - [195] Good heavens ... posting loss mails when they didn't need to be posted. Can we ever survive the scandal! Star Fraction is recruiting
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 13:59:00 - [196] Originally by: Rodj Blake So then, what you're telling is that Jade was unaware of her alliance's policy regarding loss mails, and so posted it, only removing it later when she realised that she needn't have done so? No. Try reading more carefully. I have said all that needs to be said about the incident. It has no bearing on the war in any way. Our killboard is maintained as accurately as possible for its purpose of tracking military actions involving our pilots, win or lose. I would think you could simply accept that and move on. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 14:03:00 - [197] Originally by: The Cosmopolite I would think you could simply accept that and move on. The Cosmopolite Come on Cosmo, that would suggest they had something else to do while suppressed hopelessly in stations and nursing their wounded pride and sense of burning humiliation at the outcome of the war so far Star Fraction is recruiting
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.04 14:03:00 - [198] Originally by: The Cosmopolite No. Try reading more carefully. I have said all that needs to be said about the incident. It has no bearing on the war in any way. Our killboard is maintained as accurately as possible for its purpose of tracking military actions involving our pilots, win or lose. I would think you could simply accept that and move on. The Cosmopolite Perhaps, although I think the incident may raise some questions regarding SF legitimacy. I shall leave such considerations to my peers. Serve the Emperor Above all Others
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 14:07:00 - [199] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Rodj Blake So then, what you're telling is that Jade was unaware of her alliance's policy regarding loss mails, and so posted it, only removing it later when she realised that she needn't have done so? No. Try reading more carefully. I have said all that needs to be said about the incident. It has no bearing on the war in any way. Our killboard is maintained as accurately as possible for its purpose of tracking military actions involving our pilots, win or lose. I would think you could simply accept that and move on. The Cosmopolite I think that it was a valid question in the context of the discussion. The killmail was on your board, but isn't any more. So, if your version of events is correct, someone must have been unaware of your policy and put it there, only for it to be removed later. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 14:10:00 - [200] Originally by: Rodj Blake So, if your version of events is correct, someone must have been unaware of your policy and put it there, only for it to be removed later. I would think you should probably look to the presence of phantom killmail padding on your war board before throwing this stone in a glass house Rodj. (but this does amply illustrate why CRC rules forbid the explicit discussion of killmails on this communications medium - it inevitably leads to this kind of silly, off topic and fruitless discussion) Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 14:11:00 - [201] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: The Cosmopolite I would think you could simply accept that and move on. The Cosmopolite Come on Cosmo, that would suggest they had something else to do while suppressed hopelessly in stations and nursing their wounded pride and sense of burning humiliation at the outcome of the war so far Once more, we're not suppressed, our pride isn't wounded (we don't do what we do out of pride) and we certainly don't feel humiliated. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.04 14:12:00 - [202] I believe that's called grasping at straws on the part of a certain Gallente Rodj. Serve the Emperor Above all Others
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 14:13:00 - [203] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 04/05/2007 14:11:10 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake So, if your version of events is correct, someone must have been unaware of your policy and put it there, only for it to be removed later. I would think you should probably look to the presence of phantom killmail padding on your war board before throwing this stone in a glass house Rodj. (but this does amply illustrate why CRC rules forbid the explicit discussion of killmails on this communications medium - it inevitably leads to this kind of silly, off topic and fruitless discussion) If you recall, I was against a lengthy discussion on the subject of Jade's Sleipnir, but you insisted on bringing it up. Meanwhile, if you're aware of any erroneous entries on our killboard, I'm sure that you can work out a way of informing me of the specifics without breaking any rules. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 14:15:00 - [204] Originally by: Rodj Blake If you recall, I was against a lengthy discussion on the subject of Jade's Sleipnir, but you insisted on bringing it up. I was genuinely curious as to what you were dropping dark hints about. I felt you could have expressed yourself without breaking the rules as Archbishop did. Quote: Meanwhile, if you're aware of any erroneous posts on our killboard, I'm sure that you can work out a way of informing me of the specifics without breaking any rules. I will send you the details to your eve mail and trust you will correct the mistakes then. Star Fraction is recruiting
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 14:19:00 - [205] Originally by: Rodj Blake If you recall, I was against a lengthy discussion on the subject of Jade's Sleipnir, but you insisted on bringing it up. Actually, Archbishop talked about it at length and I answered with a clear statement of the facts and our policies. Originally by: Rodj Blake So, if your version of events is correct, someone must have been unaware of your policy and put it there, only for it to be removed later. My version of events is correct and all the people involved knew the policy. You are simply not reading my account properly. I am not going to comment any further on this subject as the CRC tend to object to such pointless arguments about external kill-tracking software and policies. I can understand why, quite frankly, and I suggest you drop it too. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.04 14:25:00 - [206] I believe that a significant proportion of those recent exchanges would be of interest to the CRC in terms of content Cosmo. Let us refrain from the obvious and return to the pointless exchange of the same 'asked and answered' responses that seem to be the hallmark of most SF public announcements. Serve the Emperor Above all Others
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 14:32:00 - [207] Originally by: Sami Yahn'ko Did I hit too close too home, or so far away from it that you found it better to argue with a preacher of slavery and a practitioner of ineptitude? Other melodies I suppose. Or perhaps Mr. Archbishop and his cronies represent too good an opportunity for further humiliation? I would have raised the issue elsewhere as I have read in the past that the free captains don't like discussions of that nature in their diaries, but I was reluctant to do that for a number of reasons. I'll take it up elsewhere then I guess. Maybe a more fruitful endeavor. Maybe my pilots photo just scared you? I promise that it's just some kind of CONCORD incompetence, I really do have a fleshy head like the rest of you... Your post was actually good and interesting in truth but you are right, this is not the ideal thread to discuss it in. I would invite you to post your own thread on the topic and I'll be happy answer your questions there. Star Fraction is recruiting
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 14:57:00 - [208] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 04/05/2007 14:56:25 On the subject of this mornings little fight: I do think as we were the ones who chose to start that little engagement, which due to a mistake on our part in the opening manuevers went to the Deciever, and as we had complete operational freedom throughout the engagement, it is rather odd for you to try and spin it as if you were somehow controlling the system. In fact, before we chose to engage, I was able to dock and undock unscathed in any way shape or form from emperor at will. As your entire pilot complement save one was docked there, this is a rather odd phenomenon for someone who supposedly has been denied Amarr as a base of operations. We are still fully capable of useing our HQ as a base of operations and we will remain capable of this despite your best efforts. You really have done nothing but change the faces of the hostiles in Amarr. edit:(gramatical fixes and such) Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Razor Jaxx Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 15:34:00 - [209] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 04/05/2007 14:56:25 On the subject of this mornings little fight: I do think as we were the ones who chose to start that little engagement, which due to a mistake on our part in the opening manuevers went to the Deciever, and as we had complete operational freedom throughout the engagement, it is rather odd for you to try and spin it as if you were somehow controlling the system. In fact, before we chose to engage, I was able to dock and undock unscathed in any way shape or form from emperor at will. As your entire pilot complement save one was docked there, this is a rather odd phenomenon for someone who supposedly has been denied Amarr as a base of operations. We are still fully capable of useing our HQ as a base of operations and we will remain capable of this despite your best efforts. You really have done nothing but change the faces of the hostiles in Amarr. edit:(gramatical fixes and such) Yap, yap, yap. You got vapourized, admiral, end of story.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 15:45:00 - [210] I see that the Star Fraction recruitment standards have reached a new low. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Razor Jaxx Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 16:13:00 - [211] They recruit fighters. Maybe you should try it someday, admiral.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 16:23:00 - [212] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri I see that the Star Fraction recruitment standards have reached a new low. I find that highly offensive. I always understood that I represented the lowest of the low, destined as I am for that Circle of Molok's Pit reserved for apostates and heretics. * The Cosmopolite chuckles... The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 16:27:00 - [213] I've yet to use said saved quote. Patience is a virtue. Salutations to Star Fraction for the engagement in Amarr earlier today, however, you are still vain beyond compare if that is what you think I implied. Given the chance, I have been leading small squads against the Star Fraction at every opportunity. ----------------------------------------------
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.04 16:28:00 - [214] Originally by: The Cosmopolite I find that highly offensive. I always understood that I represented the lowest of the low, destined as I am for that Circle of Molok's Pit reserved for apostates and heretics. * The Cosmopolite chuckles... Well it's always nice to have a goal grins Serve the Emperor Above all Others
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 16:40:00 - [215] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri We are still fully capable of useing our HQ as a base of operations and we will remain capable of this despite your best efforts. Is that an actual base of operations or an Archbishop style ceremonial only base? Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 17:36:00 - [216] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri We are still fully capable of useing our HQ as a base of operations and we will remain capable of this despite your best efforts. Is that an actual base of operations or an Archbishop style ceremonial only base? Why do you find the concept of a decentralised deployment model so hard to comprehend? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jonny Damordred Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 17:44:00 - [217] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri I do think as we were the ones who chose to start that little engagement, which due to a mistake on our part in the opening manuevers went to the Deciever, and as we had complete operational freedom throughout the engagement, it is rather odd for you to try and spin it as if you were somehow controlling the system. Translation: The pilots lost their ships because they wanted to... Yah, thats the ticket! Cheers, Jonny D. -----
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.04 18:18:00 - [218] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri We are still fully capable of useing our HQ as a base of operations and we will remain capable of this despite your best efforts. Is that an actual base of operations or an Archbishop style ceremonial only base? Why do you find the concept of a decentralised deployment model so hard to comprehend? Decentralized deployment is easy to understand. Guerrilla warfare is also easy. However, a lack of centralized command and control (or in PIE's case non-existent) now that's a concept that I haven't heard of before. Again you are making excuses for your corp's short comings. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 18:30:00 - [219] Edited by: Sable Schroedinger on 04/05/2007 18:26:34 I think it very clear from your corps statements during the war dec thread that your heartland is in Amarr. You're just making excuses to cover your retreat now. You tell us that lying is a sin, but I think you've found sinning before god far more preferable than letting go of your pride. Oh Rodj, how art thou fallen... -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 19:24:00 - [220] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Edited by: Sable Schroedinger on 04/05/2007 18:26:34 I think it very clear from your corps statements during the war dec thread that your heartland is in Amarr. You're just making excuses to cover your retreat now. You tell us that lying is a sin, but I think you've found sinning before god far more preferable than letting go of your pride. Oh Rodj, how art thou fallen... Nope, when we move away from Amarr, we do so with good reason. When we we move into Amarr, again we have a good reason. When we have no active ops, our pilots are free to attend to their own business. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.04 19:44:00 - [221] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Edited by: Sable Schroedinger on 04/05/2007 18:26:34 I think it very clear from your corps statements during the war dec thread that your heartland is in Amarr. You're just making excuses to cover your retreat now. You tell us that lying is a sin, but I think you've found sinning before god far more preferable than letting go of your pride. Oh Rodj, how art thou fallen... Nope, when we move away from Amarr, we do so with good reason. This still sounds a lot like spin that the Sani Sabik have been accused of in the past. You will say anything just to keep PIE looking good in the eyes of the rest of the pilots on IGS. Perhaps you would like to elaborate? When we we move into Amarr, again we have a good reason. When we have no active ops, our pilots are free to attend to their own business. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 19:59:00 - [222] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri We are still fully capable of useing our HQ as a base of operations and we will remain capable of this despite your best efforts. Is that an actual base of operations or an Archbishop style ceremonial only base? Considering that I was outfitting new ships and manuevering around the base throughout the night, It was no different than any other PIE base and no different than any normal night in Amarr. I happen to base my ships there because you heathens seem to congregate around that station no matter what flag you fly under. And Johnny, a decision to engage that goes south is hardly choseing to die. The simple fact is that the three of us opened that engagement while your pilots reacted, and win or lose that implies that we could manuever wherever we chose. That the engagement went to the Deciever was due to a fairly simple miscalculation on our part. But until that decision to engage we had full operational freedom of movement, perhaps best evidenced by the fact that right before the fight my Harbinger was able to dock, load up a new set of drones, undock and leave the station entirely unscathed. In fact, your pilots didnt even bother trying to intercept. Hardly what I would call denying Amarr to us. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 20:10:00 - [223] Originally by: Razor Jaxx They recruit fighters. Maybe you should try it someday, admiral. Your words dishonor the memory of the crew your allies lost fighting last night. They died in for a false cause, and will suffer the consequences of that, but you should at least show the decency common even to heathens of respect for your own dead, as is you just make clear exactly how much of a pathetic honorless cur you really are. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.04 20:19:00 - [224] Edited by: Tareen Kashaar on 04/05/2007 20:15:32 Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri They died in for a false cause, and will suffer the consequences of that, but you should at least show the decency common even to heathens of respect for your own dead, as is you just make clear exactly how much of a pathetic honorless cur you really are. They knew the risks, and they get great life insurance. And dying for a false cause? I think you're mistaking our crews for your own. --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
Namingway Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:28:00 - [225] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Get your story straight! Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Let me state this clearly: Before this war PIE and her allies have used Amarr and surrounding systems as a base of operations. Octavinus Augustus response to SF War Dec Note he says (repeatedly) "Base of Operations" not "ceremonial headquarters" there is quite a difference and your spinning is a little bit obvious at this point. I hate to be the wet blanket on your propaganda para, but you seem to be focusing more on the word Amarr, and less on and surrounding systems. Now your group claims to be intelligent, and the work some of you have done for agents of the empires you claim to hate can most likely give you the location of your enemies' staging points. You think that Amarr is their main system of operation, you're ignoring that he said it's part of the collection of systems they operate in. I' would imagine that you're smart enough to realize that you're incorrectly placing an empasis on the wrong part of what Octavinus said. You're acting as if Amarr is home to their main base of operation, simply because it's the main system in the Amarr Empire. But think about it, what paramilitary organization actually uses their empire's capital system for a staging point? KD were nowhere near it, I don't recall the last time I've seen CYI activity in Luminaire, and to be fair, I've never paid attention to the minmatar groups, but they seem to be more active in lowsec, or providence.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:37:00 - [226] Just to clarify something as Jasmine seems confused. BASE OF OPERATIONS The headquarters facility of PIE Incorporated where our administrative staff live and work, support officers work to administer the various licenses and such our operations require, slave markets are kept, where we maintain our ceremonial headquarters, where we meet on occasion for rallies and other events to serve the Empire as needed. OPERATIONAL BASE The bases we actually operate out of on a daily basis in conducting the business that we do, locations with corporate hangars containing combat ships, blueprints, production facilities, cloning facilities, mechanical shops for warships, supplies and ammunition and most personal items owned by the pilots. Just to make it easier to understand though as the mighty Star Fraction shipped items into Emperor station under Concord protection before the war (calling it "Logistics") I will ask them... did you see PIE fleets roaming around Amarr constantly? Or did you see occasional PIE pilots moving in and our and through the capital system? As you've already commented in your initial war declaration that we were no where to be found when you moved in it would seem to be the later of the two options above. Likewise even currently PIE officers like Admiral Lok'ri and myself operate in Amarr, dock at Emperor at will, move about the capital as we see fit, nothing has changed. In the three plus years I've been a PIE officer I've never gone anywhere without the risk of attack and destruction thus whatever it is you're doing is simply the status quo for us. I hope this clears it up for you. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.05 01:10:00 - [227] Originally by: Jonny Damordred Translation: The pilots lost their ships because they wanted to... Yah, thats the ticket! Well, it certainly shoots holes in the Star Fraction theory that PIE or the Paramilitaries won't engage for sheer pride and honor, at any rate.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.05 13:39:00 - [228] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Jonny Damordred Translation: The pilots lost their ships because they wanted to... Yah, thats the ticket! Well, it certainly shoots holes in the Star Fraction theory that PIE or the Paramilitaries won't engage for sheer pride and honor, at any rate. I think he was being sarcastic you know ... Star Fraction is recruiting
Sun Win Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.05.06 02:48:00 - [229] Originally by: Archbishop Just to clarify something as Jasmine seems confused. BASE OF OPERATIONS is different from Quote: OPERATIONAL BASE Now Quafe is all over my coms device! Amarrian manoeuvres must be a nightmare. "Warp to the Rally Point!" ... ... "Where is everyone?" "I'm at the Rally Point!" "Err, I think I went to the Point of Rallying..." "Oh lord save me, I've warped to the Rally Location!" New to Eve? Learn to Fly - join channel: "Eve University" or read here
Jonny Damordred Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.06 03:18:00 - [230] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Jonny Damordred Translation: The pilots lost their ships because they wanted to... Yah, thats the ticket! Well, it certainly shoots holes in the Star Fraction theory that PIE or the Paramilitaries won't engage for sheer pride and honor, at any rate. I think he was being sarcastic you know ... Ding! Ding! Ding! Tell her what she has won Cosmo! Cheers, Jonny D. -----
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:16:00 - [231] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 07/05/2007 14:15:15 Originally by: Sun Win Originally by: Archbishop Just to clarify something as Jasmine seems confused. BASE OF OPERATIONS is different from Quote: OPERATIONAL BASE Now Quafe is all over my coms device! Amarrian manoeuvres must be a nightmare. "Warp to the Rally Point!" ... ... "Where is everyone?" "I'm at the Rally Point!" "Err, I think I went to the Point of Rallying..." "Oh lord save me, I've warped to the Rally Location!" Got to admit I was smiling with this ... imagine an archbishop led war-fleet (I know I know very unlikely but hey its a hypothetical ) "Warp to the Ashab gate and engage Primary Target!" "Firing Prelate!" "Burning the heretic!" "All lasers on the scum my lord!" "Wait wait why are you engaging the Target of Primaries?" "Your pardon pontif is there a difference?" "Of course you fool. The Primary Target is my personal administrative designation for the chief recepticle of gods divine rage whereas the Target of Primaries is the practical reflection of gods disfavour in mundane space!" "Ummm, yes thats clear now oh great spiritual autocrat!" "Then why is sub commander double ensign Kador scrambling the Ashab gate billboard?" Star Fraction is recruiting
Tomahawk Bliss The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:41:00 - [232] grasping at straws i see, feeling a bit left out and forgotten? If you can't cut it in the badlands, don't complain when you don't matter. Now I believe there are some nice small empire bases pro-republic groups you could go shoot at, and you wouldn't even have to base outside of high sec to do it...of course I wouldn't suggest Pator as a staging area mind (just a suggestion). Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:08:00 - [233] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 07/05/2007 15:05:30 Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss grasping at straws i see, feeling a bit left out and forgotten? Not at all Tomahawk, nice of AM to redec so we can kill your comrades again! Mista looks nice! Star Fraction is recruiting
Tomahawk Bliss The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:32:00 - [234] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 07/05/2007 15:05:30 Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss grasping at straws i see, feeling a bit left out and forgotten? Not at all Tomahawk, nice of AM to redec so we can kill your comrades again! Mista looks nice! but wait, what about Amarr? Surely having space dominance in Amarr is important...you just spent four weeks hammering home that point after all. Hypocrisy much? perhaps, just perhaps, you picked the wrong system to start with. Mista is a better location, but still not the best. You know where you have to go to make an impact. until you are there accept that you will not matter and don't get bitter about it (unless IÆve misinterpreted the inane word play bantering as anything other than bitter anger at being duped by your arch-enemies? Does it burn that Archbishop helped play SF?) as to you war currently, you do know that PIE is still not effected by any of this conflict right? i mean your great plan of breaking PIE hasn't even slowed them down. how can a broken corp be on the frontlines of a regional battle for dominance of Providence? could you remind me again what your operational goals are? Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:46:00 - [235] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss but wait, what about Amarr? Surely having space dominance in Amarr is important...you just spent four weeks hammering home that point after all. Hypocrisy much? Hardly. We have it Tomahawk. Its done. We have pretty much 24/7 dominance in Amarr. You gave up remember? You expect us to camp an empty system round the clock? If AM have an active wardec and are based in Mista we'll come and shoot you there too. Where exactly is the "hypocrisy" in this? I think you've been listening to Archbishop too long and he simply doesn't understand the word. Quote: as to you war currently, you do know that PIE is still not effected by any of this conflict right? i mean your great plan of breaking PIE hasn't even slowed them down. how can a broken corp be on the frontlines of a regional battle for dominance of Providence? As an organisation they are less than 33% as active as they were at the beginning of the war. We track their pilots online status you know. I'm sure their few remaining pilots are riding the coat-tails of the CVA in providence since its about the only thing they can still do. Quote: could you remind me again what your operational goals are? You can read I imagine. Go read the declaration. Star Fraction is recruiting
Tomahawk Bliss The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:34:00 - [236] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine As an organisation they are less than 33% as active as they were at the beginning of the war. We track their pilots online status you know. I say again, PIE is not only uneffected but on the forefront of Empire exspantion. it is the hight of arrogance to assume your war dec is any more effective than Ushra'khans has been for years. why even m0o couldn't topple the Amarr groups, and they were more than SF has ever been or ever will be. face it sugg, you aren't even second fiddle in a school time band...unless of course you want to dip your toes into where PIE is at? Mista is nice for AM...but didn't you say you were trying to break PIE? changing goals mid stream again? makes sense i guess, when one path leads to faliure a smart man changes course. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:40:00 - [237] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine As an organisation they are less than 33% as active as they were at the beginning of the war. We track their pilots online status you know. Wrong. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:09:00 - [238] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 07/05/2007 17:05:36 Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jasmine Constantine As an organisation they are less than 33% as active as they were at the beginning of the war. We track their pilots online status you know. Wrong. Ah Rodj, enjoying your promotion to chief amarrian morale officer? But sadly the statistics do not back up your claims. Your average online / combat gang partcipation numbers are currently standing at about 33% of your maximum witnessed levels (at the high point). Your lowpoint actually reaches moments where you have only a single combat pilot active for half the day. Its not impressive. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:13:00 - [239] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 07/05/2007 17:10:15 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 07/05/2007 17:05:36 Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jasmine Constantine As an organisation they are less than 33% as active as they were at the beginning of the war. We track their pilots online status you know. Wrong. Ah Rodj, enjoying your promotion to chief amarrian morale officer? But sadly the statistics do not back up your claims. Your average online / combat gang partcipation numbers are currently standing at about 33% of your maximum witnessed levels (at the high point). Your lowpoint actually reaches moments where you have only a single combat pilot active for half the day. Its not impressive. Of course, when you compare an average with a maximum, the maximum comes out on top. I could equally point to the thirty pilots you had online during the final Brother Joshua escort operation and compare it with the five or so pilots you typically had available a week or so later, but I won't because such a comparison would also be statistical nonsense. Now, perhaps you would care to stop trying to derail your own thread. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:40:00 - [240] Originally by: Rodj Blake I could equally point to the thirty pilots you had online during the final Brother Joshua escort operation and compare it with the five or so pilots you typically had available a week or so later, but I won't because such a comparison would also be statistical nonsense. You could say that certainly, but then you'd be lying. What is your point again? Star Fraction is recruiting
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr A Better Future	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:56:00 - [241] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine You could say that certainly, but then you'd be lying. What is your point again? Indeed Admiral Blake. Only Jasmine Constantine (and to a lesser extent her cohorts) is allowed to tell lies, slander, distort the truth and grab things out of pure air and say they apparantly represent their sides victory and moral superiority. Apparantly the SF right to lie extends so far no one else being allowed to say anything (even the truth) that doesn't go along with her lies and falsehoods. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.07 18:03:00 - [242] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 07/05/2007 17:59:37 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake I could equally point to the thirty pilots you had online during the final Brother Joshua escort operation and compare it with the five or so pilots you typically had available a week or so later, but I won't because such a comparison would also be statistical nonsense. You could say that certainly, but then you'd be lying. What is your point again? My point is that your earlier statement was statistical nonsense. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.07 18:19:00 - [243] Originally by: Rodj Blake My point is that your earlier statement was statistical nonsense. And I say you lying. So where does that leave us? Ah yes, why don't you author your own war-diary where you can tell your side of the story. Seems I have to say this quite a lot to you. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.07 18:24:00 - [244] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake My point is that your earlier statement was statistical nonsense. And I say you lying. So where does that leave us? Ah yes, why don't you author your own war-diary where you can tell your side of the story. Seems I have to say this quite a lot to you. I love it when you run out of logic and resort to insults. Anyway, I'd be more than happy to do my own war diary, if I considered the conflict with SF to be sufficiently important. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.07 18:42:00 - [245] Originally by: Rodj Blake I love it when you run out of logic and resort to insults. Anyway, I'd be more than happy to do my own war diary, if I considered the conflict with SF to be sufficiently important. Where is the insult? You are an Amarrian nationalist, I'm a free captain. I post this diary to tell a true version of events in the war and its your job to come and tell lies about it to muddy the waters and hide the current state of disarray your corporation is in. Whats the problem with this picture? You think its suddenly an "insult" to call a propaganding spinmeister like yourself a "liar" now? Thin skins you amarrians suddenly have. And lets face it Rodj, you consider the conflict with SF "sufficiently important" to post 5000 words of cut and paste criticism every week on mine. Don't come that old excuse - it really won't wash Star Fraction is recruiting
Anatolius Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.07 18:51:00 - [246] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine I post this diary to tell a true version of events in the war I, for one, am eagerly awaiting the release of this diary that tells the true version of events in the war. When can we expect it to be released? Soon, I hope? "If God be for us, whom can be against us?"
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.07 18:54:00 - [247] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake I love it when you run out of logic and resort to insults. Anyway, I'd be more than happy to do my own war diary, if I considered the conflict with SF to be sufficiently important. Where is the insult? You are an Amarrian nationalist, I'm a free captain. I post this diary to tell a true version of events in the war and its your job to come and tell lies about it to muddy the waters and hide the current state of disarray your corporation is in. Whats the problem with this picture? You think its suddenly an "insult" to call a propaganding spinmeister like yourself a "liar" now? Thin skins you amarrians suddenly have. And lets face it Rodj, you consider the conflict with SF "sufficiently important" to post 5000 words of cut and paste criticism every week on mine. Don't come that old excuse - it really won't wash Calm down M'dear, there's really no need for you to get so worked up over this. I doubt very much if I've composed five thousand words on the subject of your diary, but then I'm not really counting. As for me lying, I like to think that I have a reputation for accuracy. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.07 18:59:00 - [248] Originally by: Rodj Blake As for me lying, I like to think that I have a reputation for accuracy. I think you flatter youself ... Star Fraction is recruiting
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.07 19:59:00 - [249] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss But wait, what about Amarr? Surely having space dominance in Amarr is important...you just spent four weeks hammering home that point after all. Hypocrisy much? There's no need to hammer the point in, it is thoroughly and effectively occupied by the Fraction. If you feel like contesting it, by all means, we await the arrival of a battlegroup at our headquarters - but, until then, we'll continue to stomp you in Mista and wherever else you may be found. Actually Tomahawk, if you'll be so kind, answer a question of mine. Where's IU been in this war? You decide to backstab us, trek out here from Syndicate space, and then fight us in force only twice? We haven't seen you since your disaster in Ashab, are you really that weak that you have to run off with your tail between your legs to Providence at the first signs of defeat? How does it feel to be a vassal to mother CVA?
Shaikar Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.07 22:00:00 - [250] Edited by: Shaikar on 07/05/2007 21:57:00 A little earlier this evening I travelled to "SF controlled Amarr", bought a couple of new ships, fitted them and moved them off down to the warzone. I didn't see a single Fractionite in space, nor in fact any of their sani sabik sycophants. Using the apparantly standard form of SF reasoning that can be read in threads such as this one, I can only deduce that this must mean that SF and its allies have been smashed and, no longer being viable entities, have been forced to scatter and flee to the hinterlands seeking shelter, such as Mista. Or is that reasoning more full of holes than a sieve?
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.07 22:09:00 - [251] Originally by: Shaikar A little earlier this evening I travelled to "SF controlled Amarr", bought a couple of new ships, fitted them and moved them off down to the warzone. I didn't see a single Fractionite in space, nor in fact any of their sani sabik sycophants. You probably lucked out and arrived at a moment we were camping the whole of AM inside a station in Mista. Star Fraction is recruiting
Saragael	Posted - 2007.05.08 00:01:00 - [252] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Ah yes, why don't you author your own war-diary where you can tell your side of the story. I think I can answer this for everyone SF has dealt with very easily. because he and others do not feel the need to create their own level of self importantance. They do not need to see their own posts because they are scared people will forget or ignore them. They allow their actions and not some flowery speach to create their reputation. The "War Diaries" read more like a child frightened that others will forget them or not consider them important. So the diary is written to creat the sense of importance and force others to see it. it is a desperate cry for attanetion of a poor, pathetic person that should be pittied. We will pray for you..
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.08 00:13:00 - [253] Originally by: Saragael because he and others do not feel the need to create their own level of self importantance. And yet you all feel the need to reply endlessly to every thread we make. Drawn like moths to the flame of your betters. Telling isn't it. Star Fraction is recruiting
Saragael	Posted - 2007.05.08 00:19:00 - [254] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Saragael because he and others do not feel the need to create their own level of self importantance. And yet you all feel the need to reply endlessly to every thread we make. Drawn like moths to the flame of your betters. Telling isn't it. HMM I am curious just how many of your threads do you think I have posted in? And how many replaies in each, endless seems a bit much.. Oh well it is your fiction please tell it anyway you like. I will admit though that I enjoy a good train wreck and watching your propoganda is a great comedy and train wreck wrapped in one.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.08 00:24:00 - [255] Originally by: Saragael HMM I am curious just how many of your threads do you think I have posted in? And how many replaies in each, endless seems a bit much.. By "you" I mean of course Amarrian loyalist propagandists in general. I did do a quick survey of your posting history and all of your responses are pro PIE either against SF or the Sani Sabik in some way. Hence I concluded that you were part of that bloc and invested with their general bias. Star Fraction is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.08 00:42:00 - [256] I'm reminded of the words used to instigate this war.... The fighters of the Star Fraction will wage war against the Amarr Empire's capsuleer lackies the better to oppose the spread of the tyrannical 'order' that is espoused by the Empire and all who support it. An analysis of these words seems to indicate that The Star Fraction plans to stop the expansion of the Empire's influence (tyrannical order) by attacking paramilitary organization PIE Inc. "..to oppose the spread of the tyrannical 'order' that.." Given recent events and the successful escort of the Speaker of Truth I'd have to say the war goal of The Star Fraction to stop the spread of the influence of the Empire by attacking PIE has been one huge failure. Amarr seems to be doing better than ever recently in fact and PIE pilots have played roles in all of these events. Of course the Empire already has sovereignty in Amarr and Mista thus you can't stop much of anything there can you? Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.08 01:01:00 - [257] Originally by: Archbishop Of course the Empire already has sovereignty in Amarr and Mista thus you can't stop much of anything there can you? Archbishop You are unable to offer us a fleet that can stand against us in space. I'd say we've proven the point. Star Fraction is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.08 01:17:00 - [258] Sorry our ships are occupied with other more important matters. Stopping the Rusty Bestower Brigade doesn't compare with work to actively expand the influence of Amarr or escort a Speaker of Truth. But we are humble and will remain committed to serving God and Empire. You may remain committed to stroking your ego. But feel free to keep posting from the security of Empire space where sovereignty is already Amarrian.... and feel free to keep failing to accomplish the objective of stoping the work of the paramilitaries to advance that "tyrannical order" you talked about..... and enjoy the accomodations of the Amarrian Empire. I have a feeling you'll be there awhile. But enough conversation I take my leave of you now. There are terrorists to fight. Terrorists who would steal our way of life and destroy our mighty Empire. Terrorists who are a true threat to Amarrian efforts to expand the sphere of God's influence. They must be stopped. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.08 13:59:00 - [259] Originally by: Archbishop Sorry our ships are occupied with other more important matters. No need to apologise Archbishop. Your absence speaks volumes enough already. Star Fraction is recruiting
Saragael	Posted - 2007.05.08 16:20:00 - [260] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine No need to apologise Archbishop. Your absence speaks volumes enough already. Yes it does, it LOUDLY and CLEARLY states that SF is of no consequence and that issues that actually matter need attention first. It speaks in high volume that SF is not the might they feel they are and their importance in the grand scheme is minor. Of course you will try to spin this in your own manner but the truth is the truth and no matter how you spin it, it will not change. However I will enjoy the comedy of watching you try. This moth does enjoy watching your train wreck.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.08 16:35:00 - [261] Originally by: Saragael Yes it does, it LOUDLY and CLEARLY states that SF is of no consequence and that issues that actually matter need attention first. It speaks in high volume that SF is not the might they feel they are and their importance in the grand scheme is minor. Funny how our "no consequence" status arose after handing them their asses for the best part of a month though isn't it? Almost as though they decided that "advancing in the other direction" was a better way to spin a retreat. Star Fraction is recruiting
Saragael	Posted - 2007.05.08 16:57:00 - [262] And the first wheel slips of the track, oh the anticipation... Quick someone pass the popcorn, this train wreck ought to be good.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.08 17:00:00 - [263] Originally by: Saragael And the first wheel slips of the track, oh the anticipation... Quick someone pass the popcorn, this train wreck ought to be good. Are you actually a capsule pilot? Star Fraction is recruiting
Saragael	Posted - 2007.05.08 17:03:00 - [264] Edited by: Saragael on 08/05/2007 17:04:43 Why yes I am, I am currently stationed in the Youl start system if you wish to look me up. I have never seen a joke in person before, I would enjoy the visit. if of coruse you can pry yourself from your busy time to being ignored by people of consequence
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.08 17:08:00 - [265] Originally by: Saragael Why yes I am:-) Why this talk of "trains" and "popcorn" its all a bit surrealist you have to admit? Star Fraction is recruiting
Saragael	Posted - 2007.05.08 17:14:00 - [266] I enjoy history and popcorn is a most excellent snack..
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.09 11:50:00 - [267] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger do you guys ACTUALLY believe that if you say something enough that dispite all available evidence people will believe you? Or is it a simple case of "the lady doth protest too much"? No, but that seems to be your philosophy. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.09 11:56:00 - [268] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger do you guys ACTUALLY believe that if you say something enough that dispite all available evidence people will believe you? Or is it a simple case of "the lady doth protest too much"? Come on Sable, they have to do something to keep their spirits up and the Amarrian faith isn't too hot on jaunty sing-alongs with cheerful melodies ... Star Fraction is recruiting
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.09 12:40:00 - [269] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Come on Sable, they have to do something to keep their spirits up and the Amarrian faith isn't too hot on jaunty sing-alongs with cheerful melodies ... Witt Originally by: Rodj Blake No, but that seems to be your philosophy Twitt -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.09 14:48:00 - [270] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Twitt Really Scroedinger, there's no need to be so catty. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Saragael	Posted - 2007.05.09 17:48:00 - [271] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger do you guys ACTUALLY believe that if you say something enough that dispite all available evidence people will believe you? The evidence is fairly clear. The unit known as PIE is currently performing their operations with no interuption from the efforts of SF. They continue to perform these operations openly and SF dispite it's claims has had no impact on those operations. In essence PIE has not had any alteration of it's agenda from SFs attempts thus SF has failed. To go even further the evidence indicates that PIE does not consider the SF "threat" high on their priority list since they have made no direct efforts to counter it, instead working as usual on other issues they consider of more pressing concerns. The evidence as you say is that SF has failed miserably at it's goals. You quote numbers but SF has always said they are not worried about numbers but ideals. In this matter SF's campaign has been a miserable failure and proof how impotent they can be. I will grant in other campaigns SF has been more effective in the past. However I am not sure that beating KD into submission counts since a Caldari will ususally change loyalty for 50 ISK anyway.
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.09 18:11:00 - [272] still protesting missy? -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.09 19:27:00 - [273] Well, heck, just to throw around some more numbers: PIE captains have participated in the destruction of 79 terrorist and pirate vessels since the beginning of CVA's seige of 9uy. Seems to me they're quite alive and well both ideologically and strategically. But baseless insults are a lot more fun, I know...
Saragael	Posted - 2007.05.09 20:00:00 - [274] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger still protesting missy? When faced with a logical and reality based argument to refute a point it is easier to resort to childish arguements and insults. Your recent comments lend further proof to the validity of the arguement that SFs actions have resulted in no meaningful progess and that frustration over the reality of this has set in. Also your post would indicate that in your last cloning you need to seek medical attention to fix an obvious sight disorder. I will pray for you..
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.09 23:06:00 - [275] Originally by: Garreck Well, heck, just to throw around some more numbers: PIE captains have participated in the destruction of 79 terrorist and pirate vessels since the beginning of CVA's seige of 9uy. Seems to me they're quite alive and well both ideologically and strategically. But baseless insults are a lot more fun, I know... Back in the Mito war one of our war enemies boasted that while Kimotoro Directive were completely suppressed in Oimno he'd managed to "serve the state" by destroying 25 Gurrista Battleships in some operation codenamed "enemies abound". Strangely enough that didn't impress us much either. Star Fraction is recruiting

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