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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
541
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Posted - 2017.04.02 09:55:27 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:baltec1 wrote:The hardest pve in EVE is also perfectly doable by solo players multi boxing and earns a lot more Isk.
Your freighter can also entirely counter a 100 man gank fleet using a single alt in a web ship. I'm talking about PvP. You know how many freighters I've killed in low null wh? Single digits soloing / multiboxing. You know how many I could kill per day in high? Likely as many or more than my 15 years total playing EvE, per day, ganking with multiboxed bombers. That's how ridiculously easy it is. That is wrong. Those who go out to null, low and WH should be rewarded not idiots hiding behind concord exploiting a broken system. Agreed. Not sure how we can reasonably buff ganking to fix the issue. Maybe longer CONCORD response times? Personally, I like Black Pedro's idea of essentially deleting bumping (for freighters, anyway), but making pointing a freighter a suspect level offence. While a nerf to ganking overall, it should make for some interesting ganker vs anti-ganker encounters.
"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
525
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Posted - 2017.04.02 10:06:06 -
[542] - Quote
Chopper Rollins wrote:Anything but get out of hisec, huh guys?
Could easily say the same for gankers, why not get out of highsec.
I'd like to see ganking go back to a more solo enterprise where the individual would be trying to make a profit. In groups like CODE, where they get funding, there is less reason to gank for profit over fun. I'd also like to see highsec income lowered so there aren't so many shiny ships in high worth ganking. It makes perfect sense the best content should put you at risk, and allow you to afford the tools to (try) defend yourself. The lower end content though should be in highsec, shouldn't pay that well, but shouldn't require much effort to keep from dying.
A case for more AoE in EvE
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18804
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Posted - 2017.04.02 10:06:38 -
[543] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: I'm talking about PvP.
Doesn't matter. Running an incursion solo with a dozen alts or killing a freighter with your dozen alts use the exact same things. Yet I don't see you ever calling for nerfs to highsec incursions even though multiboxing incursions earns vastly more Isk.
Quote: You know how many freighters I've killed in low null wh? Single digits soloing / multiboxing.
You know how many I could kill per day in high? Likely as many or more than my 15 years total playing EvE, per day, ganking with multiboxed bombers. That's how ridiculously easy it is. That is wrong. Those who go out to null, low and WH should be rewarded not idiots hiding behind concord exploiting a broken system.
No. You can get that many because there is a much higher concentration of freighters in highsec. For every freighter you find taking a gate in null there are several thousand in highsec.
Quote: As for freighters being webbed, there is the issue with suicide points to consider.
Kill that ship then..
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Dracvlad
Tactically Challenged Tactical Supremacy
2985
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Posted - 2017.04.02 10:42:06 -
[544] - Quote
In effect all that needs to happen is that bumping a freighter like that is not possible and I would be fine with it, I would leave the DST loot scoop and wreck EHP as is. At least then the gankers would have to form up to catch the freighter like everyone else instead of hold it there for their leisure and the freighter pilot can use scoust to check the gankers normal areas to see if they have a fleet able to kill them instead of a single Mach and a blackbird sitting on the gate.
It never ceases to amaze me that players defend this state of affairs and then tell me Eve is a hard game, makes me ROFL, it is the saddest thing I can think about in terms of Eve, it is na hard game except when it is not.
Infinity Ziona was spot on with the risk assessment side of freighter ganking too.
People wonder why I keep posting on this subject, but it is because I find it an affront to the fact that Eve is supposed to be a tough hard game.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin
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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2674
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Posted - 2017.04.02 10:49:29 -
[545] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: I'm talking about PvP.
Doesn't matter. Running an incursion solo with a dozen alts or killing a freighter with your dozen alts use the exact same things. Yet I don't see you ever calling for nerfs to highsec incursions even though multiboxing incursions earns vastly more Isk. Quote: You know how many freighters I've killed in low null wh? Single digits soloing / multiboxing.
You know how many I could kill per day in high? Likely as many or more than my 15 years total playing EvE, per day, ganking with multiboxed bombers. That's how ridiculously easy it is. That is wrong. Those who go out to null, low and WH should be rewarded not idiots hiding behind concord exploiting a broken system.
No. You can get that many because there is a much higher concentration of freighters in highsec. For every freighter you find taking a gate in null there are several thousand in highsec. Quote: As for freighters being webbed, there is the issue with suicide points to consider.
Kill that ship then.. Incursions take a crapload of time and there is plenty of competition for them. They also require specialized blinged out ships. Ganking requires a bunch of SB worth max 40 mill each.
No the reason you don't get lots of freighters is not only numbers. A significant barrier is people can and will kill you for trying before you attack. People have intelligence networks and hotdrops. You can't hide behind concord. You dont have the option to afk float an alt freighter tp scoop and scoot. Its much more risky and difficult in space without concord.
Only need a point to stop initial web warp then its screwed. You could easily stick 1 point on each bomber but its not necessary.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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aldhura
Perkone Caldari State
119
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Posted - 2017.04.02 10:50:51 -
[546] - Quote
Alasdan Helminthauge wrote:CCP's own survey has showed that new players who have been ganked are more likely to stay than those who mine all days in peace.
I did my own closed survey which I haven't shown anyone that contradicts this. Stats are mere numbers which you manipulate your own needs. They are only relevant if all measurement criteria and results are known to all. I have gone from 5 accounts, soon to be none, well one alpha holding all my loot because sometimes you just want to relax and get away from all the ass hats in the game, and that is becoming more and more difficult. I don't judge though, CCP makes choices based on revenue, so I suspect my 5 subbed accounts are not as imporatant as the maybe 10 alpha greifers that now exists. I know of many long time players stopping for the same reasons, EVE HAS CHANGED in the last year or 2. Only CCP can say if its for the better.
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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2674
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Posted - 2017.04.02 10:58:45 -
[547] - Quote
aldhura wrote:Alasdan Helminthauge wrote:CCP's own survey has showed that new players who have been ganked are more likely to stay than those who mine all days in peace. I did my own closed survey which I haven't shown anyone that contradicts this. Stats are mere numbers which you manipulate your own needs. They are only relevant if all measurement criteria and results are known to all. I have gone from 5 accounts, soon to be none, well one alpha holding all my loot because sometimes you just want to relax and get away from all the ass hats in the game, and that is becoming more and more difficult. I don't judge though, CCP makes choices based on revenue, so I suspect my 5 subbed accounts are not as imporatant as the maybe 10 alpha greifers that now exists. I know of many long time players stopping for the same reasons, EVE HAS CHANGED in the last year or 2. Only CCP can say if its for the better. All the gankers quote that survey. What they ignore is it was only players who quit in first 14 days, hardly the targets a gankers goes for :)
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
110
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Posted - 2017.04.02 11:11:47 -
[548] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:................Huge difference
No, there isn't this 'massive' difference.
For you cannot 'die'!
Another analogy - EVE is just like Snakes and Ladders...
Sometimes you move forward and sometimes you slip back - the only difference is that it is another player that rolls the dice - that's why it's a Player vs Player game.
But nothing else happens.
Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
542
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Posted - 2017.04.02 11:13:27 -
[549] - Quote
Dracvlad wrote:In effect all that needs to happen is that bumping a freighter like that is not possible and I would be fine with it, I would leave the DST loot scoop and wreck EHP as is. You'd have to significantly nerf freighter HP to keep HiSec ganking balanced. Frieghter pilots outside HiSec and their escorts wouldn't thank you for such a change.
"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18804
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Posted - 2017.04.02 11:13:32 -
[550] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: Incursions take a crapload of time and there is plenty of competition for them. They also require specialized blinged out ships. Ganking requires a bunch of SB worth max 40 mill each.
Ganking takes just as much time and gankers spend much much more than an incursion player on ships and fittings. Either all multiboxing is wrong or none of it is.
Quote: No the reason you don't get lots of freighters is not only numbers. A significant barrier is people can and will kill you for trying before you attack. People have intelligence networks and hotdrops. You can't hide behind concord. You dont have the option to afk float an alt freighter tp scoop and scoot. Its much more risky and difficult in space without concord.
Oh please if we find a freighter it's getting either a blogs drop or a doomsday to the face. Simple fact is the reason why so many more die in highsec is because there thousands flying around in highsec for every one in null.
Quote: Only need a point to stop initial web warp then its screwed. You could easily stick 1 point on each bomber but its not necessary.
You could easily have several logi boats but you don't bother. End of the day if you decide to not protect your assets then you can't complain when a fleet take them off you. |
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18804
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Posted - 2017.04.02 11:18:36 -
[551] - Quote
Infinity wrote: All the gankers quote that survey. What they ignore is it was only players who quit in first 14 days, hardly the targets a gankers goes for :)
You missed out the other part where CCP stated less than 1% of people who cancel their subscription cite ship loss or harassment. |
Dracvlad
Tactically Challenged Tactical Supremacy
2985
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Posted - 2017.04.02 12:31:51 -
[552] - Quote
Hiasa Kite wrote:Dracvlad wrote:In effect all that needs to happen is that bumping a freighter like that is not possible and I would be fine with it, I would leave the DST loot scoop and wreck EHP as is. You'd have to significantly nerf freighter HP to keep HiSec ganking balanced. Frieghter pilots outside HiSec and their escorts wouldn't thank you for such a change.
Why would you have to nerf freighter EHP, you make a statement and don't back it up with anything, freighter ganking is unbalanced at this point in the favour of gankers with bumping. Are you telling me seriously that gankers could not adjust for no bumping, hell I have seen them go after scam contract freighters and be very reactive. Your suggestion is that freighter gankers could not handle this when in fact they will be joining the rest of Eve.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin
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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2676
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Posted - 2017.04.02 12:42:43 -
[553] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: Incursions take a crapload of time and there is plenty of competition for them. They also require specialized blinged out ships. Ganking requires a bunch of SB worth max 40 mill each.
Ganking takes just as much time and gankers spend much much more than an incursion player on ships and fittings. Either all multiboxing is wrong or none of it is. Quote: No the reason you don't get lots of freighters is not only numbers. A significant barrier is people can and will kill you for trying before you attack. People have intelligence networks and hotdrops. You can't hide behind concord. You dont have the option to afk float an alt freighter tp scoop and scoot. Its much more risky and difficult in space without concord.
Oh please if we find a freighter it's getting either a blogs drop or a doomsday to the face. Simple fact is the reason why so many more die in highsec is because there thousands flying around in highsec for every one in null. Quote: Only need a point to stop initial web warp then its screwed. You could easily stick 1 point on each bomber but its not necessary.
You could easily have several logi boats but you don't bother. End of the day if you decide to not protect your assets then you can't complain when a fleet take them off you. No ganking is much easier.
Maybe PL with it's half a trillion dev dropped monocle events and ex-dev CEOs etc etc would drop it but you're average ganker doesn't have that sort of help so I imagine they'd find things a little more challenging. End of the day the ability to gank freighters and let's be honest any other ship one wishes without the associated risks faced by real pvprs oitside high makes ganking in high too easy, lucrative, and is not in the spirit of the game.
Several logi boats and webber for one freighter? It'd be easier to just remove freighters from the game if that was required because noone would use them anymore. Its not a fleet if it's in highsec and not at war, more like a gaggle.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
110
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Posted - 2017.04.02 13:14:50 -
[554] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:........................ Several logi boats and webber for one freighter? It'd be easier to just remove freighters from the game if that was required because noone would use them anymore. ...............
So, you obviously don't know why we have Freighters in the first place!
They were specifically designed to take completed Station/Outpost 'eggs' - via gates - all the way out to deep Null Sec.
What nonsense...
Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
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Chopper Rollins
Far Beyond Triggered
1823
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Posted - 2017.04.02 13:22:00 -
[555] - Quote
Then move their food away, ie out of hisec.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18804
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Posted - 2017.04.02 13:22:06 -
[556] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: No ganking is much easier.
It's only ever as easy as the victim let's it be.
Quote: Maybe PL with it's half a trillion dev dropped monocle events and ex-dev CEOs etc etc would drop it but you're average ganker doesn't have that sort of help so I imagine they'd find things a little more challenging. End of the day the ability to gank freighters and let's be honest any other ship one wishes without the associated risks faced by real pvprs oitside high makes ganking in high too easy, lucrative, and is not in the spirit of the game.
So nerf concord if it's getting in the way of you dealing with gankers.
Quote: Several logi boats and webber for one freighter? It'd be easier to just remove freighters from the game if that was required because noone would use them anymore. Its not a fleet if it's in highsec and not at war, more like a gaggle, brood or perhaps a gobble :)
It requires a fleet to kill a freighter in highsec but asking the victims to form a smaller fleet to defend is apparently too much to ask
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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
544
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Posted - 2017.04.02 13:31:50 -
[557] - Quote
Dracvlad wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote:Dracvlad wrote:In effect all that needs to happen is that bumping a freighter like that is not possible and I would be fine with it, I would leave the DST loot scoop and wreck EHP as is. You'd have to significantly nerf freighter HP to keep HiSec ganking balanced. Frieghter pilots outside HiSec and their escorts wouldn't thank you for such a change. Why would you have to nerf freighter EHP, you make a statement and don't back it up with anything, freighter ganking is unbalanced at this point in the favour of gankers with bumping. Freighter ganking is balanced because of bumping. If you buff them by making them unbumpable, you'll need to nerf them to compensate. Right now freighter ganking is pretty balanced, possibly unbalanced in favour of the freighters.
"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
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xXdongbenderXx
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2017.04.02 13:34:07 -
[558] - Quote
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Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
110
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Posted - 2017.04.02 13:50:56 -
[559] - Quote
xXdongbenderXx wrote:Casual
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Accept
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Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
525
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Posted - 2017.04.02 14:11:14 -
[560] - Quote
Chopper Rollins wrote:-- Could easily say the same for gankers, why not get out of highsec.
I'd like to see ganking go back to a more solo enterprise where the individual would be trying to make a profit--
Then move their food away, ie out of hisec.
How do you suggest that happens? Gankers will be in highsec as long as targets are, as long as players are. Gankers will be in highsec, in it's current form, until it is empty.
A case for more AoE in EvE
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NofriendNoLifeStilPostin
State War Academy Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2017.04.02 14:15:15 -
[561] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:baltec1 wrote:NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote: HiSec is by far the most dangerous area of space for a pirate to live. .
that makes no sense. Its impossible to debate with someone as stupid as you are who does all kinds of heavy mental gymnastics so you be right in some weird way. How exactly is he wrong? What other area of space has an invincible force that will instantly jam and drain your cap the moment they land and cannot possibly be tanked by anything or avoided? What other area of space will a -10 sec character be chased by faction navies constantly? Those factors are irrelevant. The gank ship is ammo. A catylest is the equivalent of a 10 mill isk missile or charge. Its expended with the intention of it being single use and the expectation that is is destroyed just like ammo. Therefore there is no risk and no danger.
Exactly. Baltec1 and that so many other clowns like him are clearly just argumentative morons who do all kinds of heavy mental gynastics so they can be psuedo-right in some weird way.
Those losers need to get a life |
Keno Skir
1460
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Posted - 2017.04.02 14:30:45 -
[562] - Quote
NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:baltec1 wrote:NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote: HiSec is by far the most dangerous area of space for a pirate to live. .
that makes no sense. Its impossible to debate with someone as stupid as you are who does all kinds of heavy mental gymnastics so you be right in some weird way. How exactly is he wrong? What other area of space has an invincible force that will instantly jam and drain your cap the moment they land and cannot possibly be tanked by anything or avoided? What other area of space will a -10 sec character be chased by faction navies constantly? Those factors are irrelevant. The gank ship is ammo. A catylest is the equivalent of a 10 mill isk missile or charge. Its expended with the intention of it being single use and the expectation that is is destroyed just like ammo. Therefore there is no risk and no danger. Exactly. Baltec1 and that so many other clowns like him are clearly just argumentative morons who do all kinds of heavy mental gynastics so they can be psuedo-right in some weird way. Those losers need to get a life
None of your posts make any sense. You are a butt-hurt whine boy. That is all.
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Chopper Rollins
Far Beyond Triggered
1825
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Posted - 2017.04.02 14:43:56 -
[563] - Quote
Mr Mieyli wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:-- Could easily say the same for gankers, why not get out of highsec.
I'd like to see ganking go back to a more solo enterprise where the individual would be trying to make a profit--
Then move their food away, ie out of hisec. How do you suggest that happens? Gankers will be in highsec as long as targets are, as long as players are. Gankers will be in highsec, in it's current form, until it is empty.
If you're rich enough to make killing you profitable, you shouldn't be in hisec. This is getting so old, if people insist on living in hisec for so long, they attract that playstyle. Therefore, no complaining, the problem isn't flies, it's all the garbage.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Tisiphone Dira
New Order Logistics CODE.
1145
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Posted - 2017.04.02 14:44:56 -
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I try to stay away from mental gymnastics and twisting words, such things pain me. I offer only the truth, for it is the most potent of weapons.
Most of those who oppose ganking do nothing other than whine. I can count on my hand the number of people who have made a decent effort into stopping us, and the number of those that have put any research or thought into so that they actually achieve anything beyond making me use an insta-undock bookmark is even fewer. I don't take seriously any complaints about ganking from anybody who hasn't engaged in it or against it in any meaningful way beyond wailing about how unfair it is that ships exploded in a game about ships exploding.
I feel sorry for the poor wardecers who we gankers have once again deprived of their rightful tears. This post was made to be about noble wardecers, not ingenious gankers. And yet here we are, again being subject to wailing and moaning about gankers. It is once again up to a highsec content creator to show others the way, and get things back to the way they should be, in this case, a thread about wardecs and how they are encouraging player retention by engaging players in honourable space combat.
Grr marmite.
There once was a ganker named tisi
A stunningly beautiful missy
To gank a gross miner
There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy
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xXdongbenderXx
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2017.04.02 14:46:19 -
[565] - Quote
Tisiphone Dira wrote:I try to stay away from mental gymnastics and twisting words, such things pain me. I offer only the truth, for it is the most potent of weapons. Most of those who oppose ganking do nothing other than whine. I can count on my hand the number of people who have made a decent effort into stopping us, and the number of those that have put any research or thought into so that they actually achieve anything beyond making me use an insta-undock bookmark is even fewer. I don't take seriously any complaints about ganking from anybody who hasn't engaged in it or against it in any meaningful way beyond wailing about how unfair it is that ships exploded in a game about ships exploding. I feel sorry for the poor wardecers who we gankers have once again deprived of their rightful tears. This post was made to be about noble wardecers, not ingenious gankers. And yet here we are, again being subject to wailing and moaning about gankers. It is once again up to a highsec content creator to show others the way, and get things back to the way they should be, in this case, a thread about wardecs and how they are encouraging player retention by engaging players in honourable space combat. Grr marmite.
damn girl you got a nice carcass |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18805
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Posted - 2017.04.02 15:43:11 -
[566] - Quote
NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote:
Exactly. Baltec1 and that so many other clowns like him are clearly just argumentative morons who do all kinds of heavy mental gynastics so they can be psuedo-right in some weird way.
Those losers need to get a life
Said the guy tossing around insults. |
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ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1743
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Posted - 2017.04.02 16:11:27 -
[567] - Quote
I have removed an off-topic post and one quoting it.
Quote:27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.
ISD Decoy
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1743
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Posted - 2017.04.02 16:15:01 -
[568] - Quote
I have removed a lot of troll posts and those quoting them.
Quote:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.
ISD Decoy
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
8804
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Posted - 2017.04.02 16:38:15 -
[569] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: Several logi boats and webber for one freighter? It'd be easier to just remove freighters from the game if that was required because noone would use them anymore.
Freighters are corp-level assets. As much has been asserted by the devs themselves repeatedly in the past. They are defenceless because the intention was always to encourage the use of an escort. Nothing has changed in that department. The fact that they can be used solo doesn't mean it's a good idea, just like ratting in a Moros or POCO bashing in a supercap solo is probably really dumb.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Dracvlad
Tactically Challenged Tactical Supremacy
2987
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Posted - 2017.04.02 16:43:49 -
[570] - Quote
Hiasa Kite wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote:Dracvlad wrote:In effect all that needs to happen is that bumping a freighter like that is not possible and I would be fine with it, I would leave the DST loot scoop and wreck EHP as is. You'd have to significantly nerf freighter HP to keep HiSec ganking balanced. Frieghter pilots outside HiSec and their escorts wouldn't thank you for such a change. Why would you have to nerf freighter EHP, you make a statement and don't back it up with anything, freighter ganking is unbalanced at this point in the favour of gankers with bumping. Freighter ganking is balanced because of bumping. If you buff them by making them unbumpable, you'll need to nerf them to compensate. Right now freighter ganking is pretty balanced, possibly unbalanced in favour of the freighters.
You seriously think that freighter ganking is balanced at this point with bumping as it is?
I just went to Zkill, I found a Charon freighter with three Caro expanders in Uedama with 12 Catalystrs on the kill and you seriously tell me that this needs to be nerfed, what to one catalyst? 12 Catalysts worth 11m each total value 132m, that lot could easily chase down a freighter trying to make a run for it along with a suicide blackbird to hold it. Seriously mate I have to laugh at you saying that it needs to be nerfed because it is too hard, define hard for me please it would be a good laugh...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin
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