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Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:56:00 - [31] Question. Now that the RP cat is essentially out of the bag, with both the CVA and UK sides requesting "outside" assistance, can we assume that both these alliances are now fair game as 0.0 entities? I know that others have already stated that this should be the case, but there are always a hard-core that state RP should be left to RP. Just interested. Blog at: The Jammy Blog
Paradoxex Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:57:00 - [32] Originally by: Miss Lear Originally by: dralid Did you all forget that CVA was fighting along side S******dly during the first IAC/MC war? CVA siding with real pirates was that, so I do not think you can hold UK in a bad light of their choice of friends while CVA is trying to get them out of Providence. CVA then had apparently no moral issues or anti-pirate feelings. IAC requested the aid of the questionable corps as well as CVA. CVA only hold ties to aiding IAC. While in IAC space we had a cease fire with these questionable corps, but while we were out side of IAC space they were still KOS as ever. You can not hold us accountable for what IAC did UK on the other hand have brought in every pirate organization on this half of the galaxy to aid them, this gives them direct ties to aiding and supporting terrorist threats and 9uy is now the camping ground for all these threats. On a OOC side note, IAC are not in a RP conflict at all, so them calling in help from where ever is totally up to them, but UK calling in the help of so many pirate organizations goes against their ôlet freedom ringö mentality as from now on until CVA have cleaned up this mess, all of northern Providence is more un-free then it ever has been. Each Pirate origination is probably following a NBSI mentality and no one is welcome in the section of space any more. And yet, despite all of these uninformed cries of hypocrisy, it is lost on CVA and their allies that these "pirates" are somehow not firing upon each other or UK. NBSI indeed. Very unpirate like, I think. The truth is that CVA's hope to turn Providence into a slaver kingdom has had a more unifying effect than their doctrine ever did. Freedom is more available in Providence now than it has been in the last few weeks. Unless you support the cause of slavery, that is. Ironic, that.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:06:00 - [33] Originally by: Grimster Question. Now that the RP cat is essentially out of the bag, with both the CVA and UK sides requesting "outside" assistance, can we assume that both these alliances are now fair game as 0.0 entities? I know that others have already stated that this should be the case, but there are always a hard-core that state RP should be left to RP. Just interested. CVA abandoned the traditional RPing rules of engagement when they decided they wanted to 'win'. So they brought a blob of 150 including many non-RPers to 9UY to attempt to take the station. I think it's fair to say that it is now a free-for-all. ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Ryas Nia Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:16:00 - [34] Originally by: Grimster Question. Now that the RP cat is essentially out of the bag, with both the CVA and UK sides requesting "outside" assistance, can we assume that both these alliances are now fair game as 0.0 entities? I know that others have already stated that this should be the case, but there are always a hard-core that state RP should be left to RP. Just interested. The cat has been out of the proverbial back for a long time, i dont see why anyone would treat CVA or UK as anything other than 0.0 holding alliances. Recruiting Terrorists
Algey The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:19:00 - [35] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Grimster Question. Now that the RP cat is essentially out of the bag, with both the CVA and UK sides requesting "outside" assistance, can we assume that both these alliances are now fair game as 0.0 entities? I know that others have already stated that this should be the case, but there are always a hard-core that state RP should be left to RP. Just interested. CVA abandoned the traditional RPing rules of engagement when they decided they wanted to 'win'. So they brought a blob of 150 including many non-RPers to 9UY to attempt to take the station. I think it's fair to say that it is now a free-for-all. Personally I disagree. Most of us are here screaming death to the slavers, and are at least sympathetic to the RP if not somewhat involved (I've seen your geeky RP posts Butter ). CVA may have stepped off the RP path, but I think U'K's response has been to call in allies who respect U'K both for who and importantly what they are.
Murukan Minmatar Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:25:00 - [36] Originally by: dralid Did you all forget that CVA was fighting along side S****dly during the first IAC/MC war? CVA siding with real pirates was that, so I do not think you can hold UK in a bad light of their choice of friends while CVA is trying to get them out of Providence. CVA then had apparently no moral issues or anti-pirate feelings. Lol you really are just as clueless as when your worthless alliance got booted out of immensea. Manlove by Zaphod Jones**
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:33:00 - [37] I've never been into the roleplaying scene but... Am I reading correctly that someone has been holding 0.0 space merely due to roleplaying? -------------------------------------
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:37:00 - [38] We were fair game the moment we entered 0.0, as were CVA. Many have been under the misconception that we have been playing in a sandbox and other alliances have left us alone. They come and have a go and they get kicked out. Ushra'khan & CVA are simply the strongest two entities in providence. CVA would be unable to kick us out without recieving outside help, the reverse is also true. It helps our case that providence is a hole, and doesnt actually attract large alliances. Now Recruiting
Serapis Aote Minmatar TBC TALIONIS ALLIANCE	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:37:00 - [39] Edited by: Serapis Aote on 07/05/2007 17:34:38 Originally by: NATMav I've never been into the roleplaying scene but... Am I reading correctly that someone has been holding 0.0 space merely due to roleplaying? Yes and no. CVA and UK are given a little room by bigger alliances because of the RP thing, but its mainly because they are useful. Providence is crap, nobody wants to control it. But its also a nice path into 0.0 and a good place to put up pos for your cyno network. the major alliances that can take out CVA, have no reason to want the crap region of providence. Of the alliances that might want Providence, they would get slaughtered by CVA. /says hi to all in providence...good stand up guys in both CVA and UK.
Tar Kovsky Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:40:00 - [40] Originally by: Grimster Now that the RP cat is essentially out of the bag, with both the CVA and UK sides requesting "outside" assistance, can we assume that both these alliances are now fair game as 0.0 entities? I think my ebil slaver foes will agree with me that neither of us is delusional enough to think that we should be "off limits" just because we dress up like elves before getting drunk and making pewpew. Also, the characterization of CVA as having requested "outside assistance" is somewhat misleading. As for me, I'm a firm convert to the "Garreck Doctrine" as described by Ginger in his recent devblog: everything we do in EVE is RP. I'm reasonably sure that Seleene doesn't actually run a mercenary outfit in "real life".
Murukan Minmatar Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.05.07 18:01:00 - [41] How goes the fighting? Manlove by Zaphod Jones
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.07 18:09:00 - [42] Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 07/05/2007 18:05:38 Ushra'khan Rabble Vs CVA & co Now Recruiting
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 18:09:00 - [43] First up - thanks all for the candid answers. Good luck to all involved parties. Blog at: The Jammy Blog
Algey The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.07 18:46:00 - [44] Originally by: NATMav I've never been into the roleplaying scene but... Am I reading correctly that someone has been holding 0.0 space merely due to roleplaying? I seem to remember the Goons saying that they wouldn't come to Providence as it was -0.1 space populated by dreadlocked roleplayers. That said U'K were sorely pressed by an alliance of pirates (some of whom are helping defend the station this time), so I don't think it'd be fair to say that their RP status is the only reason that they haven't been defeated. Providence is not a great area to mine or rat in. Unity station is in the middle of a load of entry points, and continually raided and attacked by all types of people. Honestly what large force would want it that doesn't already live there? The fact that U'K hold it still is a testiment to their determination, and makes me proud to help them.
Davlin Lotze STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.07 19:23:00 - [45] I had predicted\hoped this would happen. Time to pay the piper CVA GL to UK and friends.
Murukan Minmatar Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.05.07 19:29:00 - [46] In the end though it will always come down to U'k and CVA for prov. The alliances helping out either side won't be there in the long run as there really isn't any reward for living in prov really. If U'K does amass enough allies to take over CVA's stations it won't be that way in the long term as CVA has shown themselves superior to U'K in pvp prowess over and over again. When it settles back down and it's CVA vs U'K and ex-iss rabble CVA will regain their dominance over the area. Although it would make me happy to see CVA thoroughly spanked, from engaging them quite a few times during the Priory's war against them, and random encounters with U'K, CVA does have the edge. U'K are a scrappy bunch though so don't give up! Manlove by Zaphod Jones
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.07 19:55:00 - [47] Yo Yo power struggles 4tw. The balance of power has been back and forth a lot. Those of us who have actually been a part of the conflict for 4 years know this. There have been times when CVA has been close to breaking point (wings of maak anyone?) there have also been times when CVA has shown extreeme dominance (golden blobs of old, minmatar fleets flinging themselfs into combat and breaking like water on a strong harbor wall!) Traditionally U'K are the small gang scrappers & excell beyond CVA in this area. CVA are the fleet experts, which combined with a more powerfull and organised industry gives them an edge in a territory war. Recently its true, if it was just CVA vs U'K then the CVA are on top and have been for the last 6 months or so. Still, without outside help from all the other amarr rp corps + all the cva friendlies in providence and beyond they would even consider taking UNITY station. Now Recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.07 19:55:00 - [48] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine From the Star Fraction perspective we're committed to empire war with PIE in the Throne Worlds. Its our plan to keep turning the screw on their pride and honour in Amarr (since they are empire loyalists pledged to defend it) - and have no interest in territorial POS wars in 0.0 at the present time. And we will defend the Empire, just as soon as there's a threat to it. In the meantime, we are also pledged to helping our good friends in the CVA expand Amarrian influence in Providence. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 20:51:00 - [49] Edited by: Solusar on 07/05/2007 20:50:49 Originally by: Grimster Question. Now that the RP cat is essentially out of the bag, with both the CVA and UK sides requesting "outside" assistance, can we assume that both these alliances are now fair game as 0.0 entities? I know that others have already stated that this should be the case, but there are always a hard-core that state RP should be left to RP. Just interested. So how do you explain the large numbers of corps and alliances that over the last two years have been fighting us for Providence? We have been fair game in 0.0 since we first put a POS up in Providence. Also what "outside" help have CVA requested thus far? Everything you do in eve is RP, unless ofcourse you are a pod pilot in real life.
Kovid Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.07 21:31:00 - [50] Originally by: Grimster Question. Now that the RP cat is essentially out of the bag, with both the CVA and UK sides requesting "outside" assistance, can we assume that both these alliances are now fair game as 0.0 entities? I know that others have already stated that this should be the case, but there are always a hard-core that state RP should be left to RP. Just interested. Ginger has said before everyone in Eve RPs (whether they realize it or not.) This is a single server, we all interact with each other whether we like to or not. There are no sandboxes, only RP systems, or half-RP. As for Providence, it has been mixed RP and non-RP for who knows how long. ---------------------------------- An informal Star Fraction FAQ \| ----------------------------------
Cmd Woodlouse moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.05.07 21:40:00 - [51] Originally by: Ramireza Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Spoon Thumb Finally, Ev0ke are former D2 members? Why would they have an interest in Providence enough to get so seriously involved They like killing things. exactly. But dont forget we also like to help them poor homeless Wauzis!
Namingway Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters	Posted - 2007.05.07 22:45:00 - [52] Edited by: Namingway on 07/05/2007 22:48:40 I wonder, will Golan be lending his expertise to the Amarr at this time? He's gotta show that he's still worthy of that medal. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Koronos It surprises and saddens me that a member of your idealist alliance would parrot the blue-grey-red iconography of the State. Not sure what you mean here. Jonny's point is that self proclaimed "anti pirates" are generally utter hypocrits. And lets face it "anti pirates" operating in slaver-dominated lower providence? There are worse things than "piracy" - selling other human lives for profit and crazy religious mumbo-jumbo for one. And yet there you are, buddy buddy with Sani Sabik, who are quite possibly the best example of crazy religious mumbo jumbo.
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.07 22:52:00 - [53] I've had to turn down so many contract offers on both sides, it almost makes me sad we aren't participating.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.07 23:03:00 - [54] Originally by: Spoon Thumb Finally, Ev0ke are former D2 members? Why would they have an interest in Providence enough to get so seriously involved cyz gyro is emo - Gob
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 23:37:00 - [55] Originally by: Kovid Originally by: Grimster Question. Now that the RP cat is essentially out of the bag, with both the CVA and UK sides requesting "outside" assistance, can we assume that both these alliances are now fair game as 0.0 entities? I know that others have already stated that this should be the case, but there are always a hard-core that state RP should be left to RP. Just interested. Ginger has said before everyone in Eve RPs (whether they realize it or not.) This is a single server, we all interact with each other whether we like to or not. There are no sandboxes, only RP systems, or half-RP. As for Providence, it has been mixed RP and non-RP for who knows how long. It's funny, we were chatting about this on the MC boards yesterday, let me quote myself: Originally by: Grimster We're RPing space mercenaries, we just for the most part don't wear the hat as well as the silly outfit. with the possible exception of Waagaa OFC everyone's aware that when you click that "Enter Game" button you're RPing to one extent or another. I almost applied for U'K myself once but they probably wouldn't have had me, and "Old Man" Golan would have been spitting nails. Blog at: The Jammy Blog
GoGo Yubari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.08 01:00:00 - [56] Edited by: GoGo Yubari on 08/05/2007 00:57:19 Yeah, having a slight case of deja vu here. I think any RP entity thinking that the pirates next door who are ganking their haulers somehow exist in a different world or operate under different rules is simply deluding themselves. The same works in the converse - 0.0 entities should expect to deal with RP groups in the same manner as with anyone else. The difference is in issues relating to immersion (RPers generally try to appreciate the game-world for what it is) and motivations (RPers usually operate through additional self-imposed IC filters). In a way, everyone ends up doing that to some degree. The pirate ganker saying "Hey, I'm not a bad guy in real life!" is doing a form of that very thing. Anyway, back on topic, from my limited interactions with U'K and CVA, I've always considered them to "keep it real" and it's cool to see RP entities also active in 0.0, because often it is too easy for them to simply cluster inside empire. IMHO, without FW here to give further depth to empire based game-play, things really starts working only in 0.0 where players get to take control of their fates.
Sae Marr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.05.08 01:05:00 - [57] Originally by: Solusar So how do you explain the large numbers of corps and alliances that over the last two years have been fighting us for Providence? I realize you're not really asking, but you do make for such an attractive target for pvp oriented entities only because you usually put up a fight . -
Entilzah Valen 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.08 02:00:00 - [58] Edited by: Entilzah Valen on 08/05/2007 02:04:20 Originally by: Sae Marr Originally by: Solusar So how do you explain the large numbers of corps and alliances that over the last two years have been fighting us for Providence? I realize you're not really asking, but you do make for such an attractive target for pvp oriented entities only because you usually put up a fight . - And that sometimes means you'll be seeing more Falcons than you can shake a stick at. I do like getting a few shots off before I die a horrible death rather than just getting horribly ganked. I've always considered Providence a mild distraction, a place to go looking to get a fight, although in most cases some of the resulting engagements will likely be less then desirable due to the voracity of certain groups. As far as NOS go, they are more interested in carebearing and things for themselves rather than helping CVA out at the individual pilot level. Slyph, if what happened is true, are probably just trying to align themselves with the side that they predicted would win so they wouldn't be next on the chopping block. They are not Roleplayers, so their motivations should be simple to determine: Isk, and easy access to it and avoiding losing access. (omg hi sae come back!) __________________________ Quote: Marko Debreault > I WILL MAKE BROTH FROM YOUR BLOOD AND DRINK IT FROM YOUR SKULL
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.08 02:45:00 - [59] As far as the entire idea of Providence not being 'real', that is rather insulting. NRDS has been very hard to extend. the PVP is just as real, and I bet we shoot at more of you folks in the big war than just about anyone else (outside folks like Outbreak perhaps). For you Spoon, drop a line in game and you can get better information. And as for butter, he is as clueless and smacky a pirate as he ever was ;) That is EvE for you!
Cythrawl Caldari Central Defiance Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.05.08 02:55:00 - [60] Originally by: Seleene My bet would be that CVA is stepping things up and getting ready for Factional Warfare (whenever that happens) so that they can say: "Lookie!! Prov belongs to the Empire!! Navy Apocs for all KTHX?!" UK looked upon this idea and declared it rubbish. Looks like a fun fight shaping up. ZOMG! I'm in an MC thread!!!!! In all honesty, CVA have always outnumbered U'K in most situations. CVA has never had to fight a protracted seige war of their space like the war of 9UY either. Give 'em hell U'K. =+=+=+=+=+=+= DEFY Killboard

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