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Eddie Gordo
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.08 16:34:00 -
[91]
lets reserve that for x-r :)
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Apollyon X
FIRMA
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Posted - 2007.05.08 16:35:00 -
[92]
Looks like U'K has made a nice assortment of friends. CVA is gonna have a tough fight on their hands now but I think thats how they like it.
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Gegi Wau
Minmatar
Liberty Labs
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Posted - 2007.05.08 16:36:00 -
[93]
When I started playing EVE and got into the whole role-playing thingie (joining the Minmatar side, of course), I had a rather romantic notion of the Ushra'Khan-CVA conflict (I was young and naive!). During my time in UK, I witnessed several small-scale skirmishes, where UK often got the short end of the stick, but they never gave up. It was a game of cat and mouse, a game which had been going on for quite some time. Battles were fought with honour, and they were smack-free apart from some great in-character discussions in local. This war seemed to be a war unlike any others in the EVE universe.
However, these romantic notions were shattered when CVA took QR. The brutal reality of 0.0 warfare reared its ugly head. POS spamming, capital ships galore, you name it. Yes, the UK guys were somewhat miffed by the fact that CVA was aided by Sev3rance (who, despite Hardin's affirmations, hadn't distinguished themselves as role-players dedicated to the eradication of Minmatar rebels in the past). The space-time-anomalies that rendered UK's dread fleet completely useless during the defence of QR didn't exactly make them freedom fighters happy, either. The whole QR episode basically was a big slap in the face.
Ah well, this was EVE after all, this was 0.0 space, this WAS a war. Needless to say, now UK doesn't feel like playing nice, either. Especially since CVA has upped the stakes again and attacked UK's home system. So, yes, UK is currently getting help from a pretty nasty bunch, among them even pirate organisations that it used to fight. Desperate times call for desperate measures, right? UK simply didn't have any other choice. And it even makes sense from an in-character point of view: Why wouldn't the Minmatar rebels call outlaws for help? They themselves are already considered to be outcasts by their own people and treated as terrorists by the Amarr slavers, so it's not like they have much of a reputation to lose. UK's constant fight against piracy in their corner of Providence hasn't earned them much respect, anyway. That being said, it's quite possible that once the current conflict is over, UK and the local pirates will be shooting each other again, just for old times' sake. 
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.08 16:38:00 -
[94]
 Originally by: Hardin
If you thought that was a personal insult then you are more sensitive than I thought. As for the rest of your linguistic flatulence, it is absolute crap and you know it Jasmine.
Calm down Hardin. You impress nobody by losing your temper and insulting people.
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If anyone is spinning here it is you. People can judge CVA on it's actions over three years and decide whether they want to believe us or a Star Fraction PR lackey.
I think people can see I have raised a perfectly fair point of comparison and indicated a flaw in your rhetoric and you have responded with bad-tempered insults. Fairly easy to draw a conclusion from that Hardin.
Star Fraction is recruiting
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Hardin
Amarr
NoQ Holding
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.05.08 16:53:00 -
[95]
Edited by: Hardin on 08/05/2007 16:49:17
Jasmine, what you have done is accuse the CVA of something which we wholeheartedely detest with little or no evidence purely it seems out of a desire to sully our name for SF's own arcane political ends.
This is the reality of what the CVA does on a day to day basis:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=493423&page=1#30
The CVA has never supported or promoted piracy in any shape or form and never will.
You are simply dragging this arguement out because you clearly believe the old adage that if you throw enough crap some of it will stick...
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.08 17:06:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Hardin
Jasmine, what you have done is accuse the CVA of something which we wholeheartedely detest with little or no evidence purely it seems out of a desire to sully our name for SF's own arcane political ends. The CVA has never supported or promoted piracy in any shape or form and never will.
No Hardin, not at all. I am saying that you are prepared to overlook NBSI rules of engagement (Piracy) when it suits you and you won't say "boo" to a allied alliance that does this while you are continuing to accuse your enemies of murky arrangements with NBSI class allies. In essense I am saying you are behaving in a hypocritical manner. I think you twist words and pretend that NBSI doesn't equal Piracy because you are afraid of the concept in some way. But in reality its pretty clear that the CVA today is a organisation that is prepared to do almost anything to improve its chances of gaining territory upto and including working alongside "pirate" class NBSI entities all the while accusing your enemies of the same.
It'd be much more honest if you just accepted that the cause of Amarrian Supremacy in Providence is so important to you that ANY arrangements are suitable so long as they bring you increased fleet power and engagement advantage.
Star Fraction is recruiting
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Lowanaera
Amarr
Paladin Imperium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.08 17:15:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Witch Doctor
As for their new allies, it is actually quite a good match across the board. There are shades of "piracy", and their new friends (EST, ENH, 0utbreak) are more on the "bloodthirsty PVPers who might chat you up afterwards" end vs. the "anklebiting script kiddies who smack in local and can't spell or punctuate" end.
You obviously haven't been in 9UY this week 
CVA and U'K have a tradition of Local debates, preaching from our end, derision (and some hilarious *****s) from theirs. Can't get an word in edgewise now with all the smack, mostly from BUM and ENH. Not that some of our people haven't smacked right back despite orders otherwise, but it's sad and annoying how some of them never shut up, ever.
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Shaikar
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.08 17:30:00 -
[98]
It's not all that bad on sunday (or was it monday?) there was a hobo singing 99 green bottles hanging on the wall. Ok, still couldn't get a word in edgeways, but hey. 
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.08 17:45:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/05/2007 17:44:51
Originally by: Hardin
The attack on QR was carried out by a collection of pro-Amarr corporations and alliances. The only one that the Minmatar's had any quibble about was 's3verance' - presumably because they hadn't seen them before - however, the CVA and s3verance had been working together for quite a while to protect a low-sec area of Amarr space from pirates.
Just a point of fact, s3verance are not Ammarian roleplayers in any sense of the word. They are anti-pirate, but then so are many entities in EVE. In truth, we in the Hobos roleplay more against Amarr slavers than they ever have done against the Minmatar. And I don't consider us to be an RP corp by any stretch of the imagination (though some of us dabble).
I know s3verance well because I spent the best part of a year shooting the member corps prior to them forming an alliance. Participants in the roleplay community they are not.
That said, nearly all members of BUM fought for UK the last time their station was under serious threat. We have a history with them. There are clear and legitimate reasons why we would seek to offer them help once more.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.08 18:01:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Lowanaera
Originally by: Witch Doctor
As for their new allies, it is actually quite a good match across the board. There are shades of "piracy", and their new friends (EST, ENH, 0utbreak) are more on the "bloodthirsty PVPers who might chat you up afterwards" end vs. the "anklebiting script kiddies who smack in local and can't spell or punctuate" end.
You obviously haven't been in 9UY this week
CVA and U'K have a tradition of Local debates, preaching from our end, derision (and some hilarious *****s) from theirs. Can't get an word in edgewise now with all the smack, mostly from BUM and ENH. Not that some of our people haven't smacked right back despite orders otherwise, but it's sad and annoying how some of them never shut up, ever.
I havent seen any real smack, tbh. Maybe you're too sensitive? (or is that smack?)
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Marko Debreault
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.08 18:10:00 -
[101]
I think Jade's objections stem from this statement:
Originally by: Hardin
What I will however point out is that Ushra'khan can never again claim to be an 'anti-pirate' alliance with bedfellows like those...
She goes on to point out that CVA's allies kill neutrals as well, and so they can't really slander UK's name without being hypocritical. The only specific example she gives of a CVA ally who operates NBSI (kill neutrals and hostiles) is IAC, which is a bit misleading, because IAC usually operates NRDS (only kill hostiles), except when they are under a lot of hostile pressure, which they currently are.
From my point of view, the UK will remain anti-pirate no matter who their allies are during this engagement; UK members won't engage in piracy and will kill pirates when they can.
And so will the CVA, no matter how many neutrals IAC or anyone else who isn't CVA kills.
However, the UK is definitely working with some hard core pirate/nihilist entities. Outbreak is one of them. I've ransomed everything from shuttles to alliances. I've launched personal vendettas against people who look at me funny. If you whine, mine, or waste our time, we'll track you down and get satisfaction from your corpse and killmail.
Outbreak invited ourselves to the conflict. As someone pointed out, it makes a certain amount of sense from an RP perspective. The minmatar are rebels. They're desperate men and women fighting against overwhelming odds. When hard reality conflicts with lofty ideals even the strongest person may be forced to compromise. When the man with the eye patch and the peg-leg offers his assistance the freedom fighter is going to make a deal with the devil. Desperate men, desperate times, and an epic fight for freedom against the empire ... scurvy!
As for Outbreak, we came for the loot, the action, and the chance to blow up some of our old enemies in the CVA (hi Aralis!)
Around 9 months ago I asked the UK if they wanted to have some fleet fights with us against the CVA. I approached them from the perspective of a non-RP guy - "if we hit some of their POS's we could force them to fight and get a lot of killmails." They said, forget it, we respect our enemy and we're not interested in engaging in this action for the sake of generating killmails. So this time when I approached the UK about aiding them I rp'ed. I pretended to be a pirate! It was a stretch for me and I got a little confused at times.
It went something like this...
Maggot > Alright, I will evemail you with specifics tomorrow.
Marko > Scurvy, and fair be the tailwinds that blow on the looty outcome of the netherboard plank!
But they were much nicer to me once they had me pegged as a role player and not a power gamer, and the result has been a lot of fun.
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Davlin Lotze
STK Scientific
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.05.08 18:23:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Hardin
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Hardin
What I will however point out is that Ushra'khan can never again claim to be an 'anti-pirate' alliance with bedfellows like those...
Stones in glass houses Hardin. CVA has allies who shoot neutrals, U'K have allies who shoot neutrals. Claiming your enemy is "pirate" because it has friends who practise NBSI is the height of hypocrisy for you guys.
Oh shut up...
feel it slippin' a bit eh? :D
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.05.08 18:28:00 -
[103]
Eddie Gordo is correct. ENH has been active in Providence for much of our EVE time. People tend to simply not realize that despite our sharp pointy teeth, we are relative newcomers to EVE, and have only been here for just over a year now. During that time period we have tested the steel of many Providence residents. UK has been an honorable foe and space is better for their existence.
I do appreciate your (Hardin) kind suggestion for a station name. It would be bad form to rename a friendly station, so I'm afraid Unity will need to remain, however I hear there are a few other stations in Providence. Perhaps one of them will need renaming in the future.
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Davlin Lotze
STK Scientific
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.05.08 18:30:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Eddie Gordo
lets reserve that for x-r :)
Eddie for prez! awesome quote.
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Algey
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.08 20:20:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Shaikar
It's not all that bad on sunday (or was it monday?) there was a hobo singing 99 green bottles hanging on the wall. Ok, still couldn't get a word in edgeways, but hey.
Damned builders murdering my house otherwise you'd be getting the entirety of Greensleeves tonight (look it up some time, it isn't short) 
I don't think that local has been too smacky, however I do think I haven't been offered enough salvation by all these religious fanatics. 
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Master OlavPancrazio
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.05.08 20:25:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Master OlavPancrazio on 08/05/2007 20:22:12
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Can't get an word in edgewise now with all the smack, mostly from BUM and ENH. Not that some of our people haven't smacked right back despite orders otherwise, but it's sad and annoying how some of them never shut up, ever.
Oh, you welcome to eve-mail me for any immature smack (which my corp doesn't promote at all).
But, I find it funny that, ironic even, a CVA role-player is complaining about people talking in local.
If I got 5000 isk for every time I come into local to hear some CVA going on... and on... and on... about some lame role-playing topic in local, I'd be a rich pod pilot indeed.
Sorry that you're anti-social and can't take people talking in local for entertainment. Just minimize it. 
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DeltaH
NOBODY Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.08 20:31:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Eddie Gordo
lets reserve that for x-r :)
I love it Eddie!
Take the gloves off, you are fighting for your home and your people. CVA has called U'K a bunch of terrorists since the alliance was born, prove them right!
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LordAmarus
Minmatar
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.05.08 20:31:00 -
[108]
this is my sole opinion
I do not speak for EHJ
1) cva own all providence .... ugh can anyone say carebearland and boringness?
I like the see the fires of war lit all the time. CVA in charge means just 2 things
a) blob
b) More blob
2) Nos ... needs to learn to keep their posses fueled , to not go after 1 single nme with 6 bs and last part , share their 0.0 ratting space (have yet to see something meaningfull from nos = personal opinion
3) Sylp: euhm mainly people who just rat and wanna make isk ? fun to gank tho
4) UK: fun to shoot at and a good bunch of chaps I like em ^^
5) ENH will always be where the action is. Even if we need to create it ourselves.
While we are relatively new to ehj 1 y and counting but have a solid taste for pvp and pretty much all are folks are pvpers.(in my opinion)
lastly ... I just like to pew pew and cva is a treath to my pew pew ... so i pew pew them with uk.
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Ikoma Sunblazer
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Posted - 2007.05.08 21:08:00 -
[109]
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lastly ... I just like to pew pew and cva is a treath to my pew pew ... so i pew pew them with uk.
This man is a winnar 
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Lord Artemis
Filthy Wyrm
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.05.08 21:29:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Ikoma Sunblazer
Quote:
lastly ... I just like to pew pew and cva is a treath to my pew pew ... so i pew pew them with uk.
This man is a winnar
Umm... you might wanna check under the kilt. Looks like a chick. 
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Ikoma Sunblazer
Caldari
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.05.08 21:32:00 -
[111]
Ugh >.< !
(and to make it clear -winnar- was misspelled on purpose )
o/ firefox spellcheck
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Turkantho
Asgard Schiffswerften
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.05.08 21:53:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Eddie Gordo
Ev0ke - Recently departed from D2 & without a home, we were already in talks with them before the assult.[no dreads]
We don't look for a home, nor do we need one, we do however like the Minmatar and their technology is very helpful.
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we bring the fun in funeral
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Yakov Draken
Minmatar
Fun Inc
Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.08 22:12:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Witch Doctor
Personally, I think where the conflict is headed is a good thing. U'K have tried to be "nice guys" for too long and ended up being walked over by their ersatz allies and CVA for a long time. The new power bloc takes them more in the direction where they should head - bad guys with a certain sense of honor. It fits how you would expect spitting-mad Minmatar to behave while invading Amarrian space.
I don't know if it is true but this fits my impression. One thing that turned me off joining U'K is their lack of appropriate frothing at the mouth - they came across as to moderate and nice considering their context. Sort of undermines the rp thing for me as it just doesn't seem in character considering the extreme's of the context.
But hey - crush those slaver scum!
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mamolian
Vortex.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.08 23:34:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Kovid
Some good points made.
Apologies Kovid, I diddn't include Corps such as The Star Fraction, or Pie Inc, in my term "outsiders".. I'm thinking more along the lines of Alliances bringing 10+ dreads to a fight, CVA friendly groups.. the name slips my mind..
Seems to me bringing this kind of a battle is less about fun, or keeping the RP community alive, and more about trying to destroy your opponent..
Look, take my words with a grain of salt.. its just my opinion.. and its seriously biased.. but some recent events have left a very sour taste in my mouth.. more so in fact, than I've had loosing my alliances outpost at the start of the year..
Mamo
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.05.08 23:54:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Gyro DuAquin1 on 08/05/2007 23:50:25
Anything i can say on my behalf is that cva and their friends are good enemies and like to fight for the pleasure of fighting and are not calculating any isk things, just warp in and plain fight with no smack and dirty metagaming - and for this I respect those guys as they understand to bring a good fight and thats what all we are looking for.
So CVA I salute you and enjoy having u as an oponent even when you killed my prety crow and toke care of my implant set earlier tonight ;)
Long live the amarrian empire and their fighters for my personal benefit of fighting you guys.
OH and Gob I lub you
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.09 00:00:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Marko Debreault
So this time when I approached the UK about aiding them I rp'ed. I pretended to be a pirate! It was a stretch for me and I got a little confused at times.
It went something like this...
Maggot > Alright, I will evemail you with specifics tomorrow.
Marko > Scurvy, and fair be the tailwinds that blow on the looty outcome of the netherboard plank!
How much for a copy of this convo?
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Maggot
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.09 00:19:00 -
[117]
Seleene, for you..nothing. Enjoy and Yarr Harr Fiddle De Dee
Marko Debreault > arrrr, fighter
Maggot > Greetings
Marko Debreault > I hear ye be havin an eventful weekend
Maggot > yes, just a little
Marko Debreault > the scurvy barnacle shaggin self righteous CVA scum have blobbed me an me boys a few times too many
Marko Debreault > we be bearin them no love
Maggot > is that so....well I think we should do some business together
Marko Debreault > arrr
Marko Debreault > so if'n ye're having POS's leaving reinforced sometime soon its possible the lads would be interested in some fightin
Maggot > most excellent, I will mail you details when the sun comes up
Maggot > we are still battling the scum now
Marko Debreault > scurvy, be that the way the wind blows, and a most excellent tailwind fer plunder!
Maggot > o>
Marko Debreault > arrr o7
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Parallax Error
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.09 00:27:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Maggot
Seleene, for you..nothing. Enjoy and Yarr Harr Fiddle De Dee
Marko Debreault > arrrr, fighter
Maggot > Greetings
Marko Debreault > I hear ye be havin an eventful weekend
Maggot > yes, just a little
Marko Debreault > the scurvy barnacle shaggin self righteous CVA scum have blobbed me an me boys a few times too many
Marko Debreault > we be bearin them no love
Maggot > is that so....well I think we should do some business together
Marko Debreault > arrr
Marko Debreault > so if'n ye're having POS's leaving reinforced sometime soon its possible the lads would be interested in some fightin
Maggot > most excellent, I will mail you details when the sun comes up
Maggot > we are still battling the scum now
Marko Debreault > scurvy, be that the way the wind blows, and a most excellent tailwind fer plunder!
Maggot > o>
Marko Debreault > arrr o7
I resent that, I have never looked at a barnacle in a lusting fashion. I'm a Manatee man.
Oh, and which one of you took the Aztecs gold this time?
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Equinox Daedalus
Caldari
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.09 00:36:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/05/2007 17:44:51
Originally by: Hardin
The attack on QR was carried out by a collection of pro-Amarr corporations and alliances. The only one that the Minmatar's had any quibble about was 's3verance' - presumably because they hadn't seen them before - however, the CVA and s3verance had been working together for quite a while to protect a low-sec area of Amarr space from pirates.
Just a point of fact, s3verance are not Ammarian roleplayers in any sense of the word. They are anti-pirate, but then so are many entities in EVE. In truth, we in the Hobos roleplay more against Amarr slavers than they ever have done against the Minmatar. And I don't consider us to be an RP corp by any stretch of the imagination (though some of us dabble).
I know s3verance well because I spent the best part of a year shooting the member corps prior to them forming an alliance. Participants in the roleplay community they are not.
That said, nearly all members of BUM fought for UK the last time their station was under serious threat. We have a history with them. There are clear and legitimate reasons why we would seek to offer them help once more.
Butters. : )
-7- are an anti-pirate alliance that resides in amarr low sec, for the most part, where the formations of Many cva corps resided before then, that which you should know, as you flew along side them before your turn to the forker side. 
TLOS and AS resided there many a time before moving up and letting those others take over defense of Lower sec Amarr as AS did for TLOS and TLOS did for what everntually became -7-.
CVA assited in the distruction of 2 pirate pos (i'm sure davlin doesnt' consdier himself a pirate, but i'm not arguing that here or there) in the sukanan. And times from before and since we have flown along side each other many a time before and since, as repo industies can attest to as curretly.
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grizouh
Tri Optimum
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.05.09 01:02:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Hardin
However I do think you need to rename your 9UY station:
TORTUGA - http://www.thepiratesrealm.com/Isle%20of%20Tortuga.html
We look forward to cleaning out this den of 'evil'
sorry, we already have Tortuga
"The outpost has been renamed "EC P8R Freeport Tortuga" the Station and ALL of it's services (Offices, Factory/Laboratory Slots and Jumpclones) will be available to everybody, friend or foe alike, there will be no docking charge."
 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=509461
/me looks jealous to Gob ^^
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