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Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.10 22:31:00 - [181] Originally by: Vampire Lord Originally by: Aindrias I wouldn't normally jump in on a debate such as this but... CVA says NBSI in Providence/Lowsec leading to Providence is Piracy, that's there stance. They don't say 'NBSI everywhere is Piracy" even if they believe it, they don't say it because they couldn't enforce it anyways. So IAC being NBSI for the time being due to their current issues in their own space outside of Providence is "OK" and being friends/neutral with CVA is fine. CVA is staying all those corps/allliance helping U'K atm, Establishment, Outbreak, Evoke, BUMs, etc are shooting neutrals IN PROVIDENCE/CVA space who are not involved with the U'K/friends vs CVA/friends War (which I love it btw, it's fun! ) So lets put this together in very simple terms. NBSI in Prov/surrounding lowsec = Piracy to CVA The Estab, Outbreak, Evoke, BUMs, etc are NBSI'ing in Prov so they = Pirates (even though by definition... they're privateers (no, not the Alliance) because a sovereign alliance is enlisting them against another sovereign alliance... re: Sir Francis Drake). The difference I see here is simply: U'K is enlisting the help of corps/alliance who practice NBSI or other forms of random shooting/piracy e.g. Outbreak, Evoke, The Estab, BUMs in other areas of space. CVA is enlisting the help of those around them that practice NRDS, Sylph, NOS, and other corps like PIE, Aegis Militia, Etc... who all reside near and in Providence. Further, IMHO, this war was escalated not do to naked acts of aggression by CVA, but when U'K and IO were actively trying to gain sovereignty in the QBL Pocket of Providence by POS Spamming after they supposedly thought NOS was building a station there. CVA and NOS, for apparent reasons, did NOT want that to happen. This proved to CVA and NOS that U'K/IO at the time were escalating the conflict beyond the fun skirmishes prior. Right after that happened, IO stepped out of the picture leaving U'K by itself and op for attack... So I personally blame this whole thing on IO. Yay for a history lesson. All fine and good, but to those who didn't know that, NOW YOU DO If you're KOS in Prov, expect to be attacked by all alliances/corps until your get yourself off that list. MAYBE that clears things up. I for one don't see U'K as pirates, but enemies of war. Further, NOS has always come with what they can when asked by CVA, but I think it's a bigger TIME ZONE thing with that. Aindrias You've just made a mistake sir. Would you like IO to come back to NOS space an finish pounding your crippled alliance back to empire were you belong. Do you really think a bunch of care bears should be pointing fingers at anyone politically knowing they can't defend themselves? Now were likely to come back an start blowing up you & your assets while your big sister is busy. Don't think because we've been away we've not been watching you. Your little history lesson should also reflect that fact that your alliance lost pretty much all there fighters due to the empire & 0.0 space beating it was taking. Note that IO numbers changed because we gave people a choice join one of the two corps or leave. Note that most of the hard core Killers/Capital pilots are still in IO. You have just become a target because of your stupidity Then I suspect we all will have fun =-) See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.10 22:38:00 - [182] Edited by: Righteous Fury on 10/05/2007 22:35:11 Originally by: Vampire Lord You've just made a mistake sir. Would you like IO to come back to NOS space an finish pounding your crippled alliance back to empire were you belong. Do you really think a bunch of care bears should be pointing fingers at anyone politically knowing they can't defend themselves? Now were likely to come back an start blowing up you & your assets while your big sister is busy. Don't think because we've been away we've not been watching you. Your little history lesson should also reflect that fact that your alliance lost pretty much all there fighters due to the empire & 0.0 space beating it was taking. Note that IO numbers changed because we gave people a choice join one of the two corps or leave. Note that most of the hard core Killers/Capital pilots are still in IO. You have just become a target because of your stupidity Its cute that you try to emulate my style, after having been on the recieving end of it for nearly the entirety of your existence. However, you truly and utterly fail at making threats everyone knows you full well do not have the power or endurance to see through. Imitation is the greatest form of flattery, but coming from you its nothing short of pathetic. You have never, and will never hope to hold a position of any kind of respect, fear, or authority in anyone's eyes. You already tried threatening me with your cute little remarks and failed to follow through, I expect you'll do the same now.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.10 22:50:00 - [183] lol at IO threats http://eve.klaki.net/
Caldess 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.10 23:09:00 - [184] We in outbreak are not pirates! We're mass murderers. There is a distinction! --------------
Clavius XIV Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.10 23:15:00 - [185] Originally by: Solusar As for the idea that we had made plans to attack 9UY before the attacks on QBL, that is quite ludicrous. We had ideas about long term goals, but nothing was definate on "what to do next" and at that stage QR was still an ISS station so its safe to say we wernt planning on taking it at that point :p In one sense we made "plans" to take 9UY the day we knew of its sneaky construction in Holy Amarrian Providence.
Equinox Daedalus Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.10 23:43:00 - [186] I don't really think its an escalation that was caused by any one event. For me, I never thought this was a "sandbox" rp battle between CVA/UK only. Quite the opposite really. I think the CVA/UK conflict is on a smaller scale of the Larger BOB/Colation conflict, but with out a) a bitter ton of smack talk, asshatery, and general forum whoring aside. and b) eve combat as it is ment to be played. The CVA/UK war in general as long as I have been involved has been "realatively" freindly in so much as general attitude can be between 2 factions at war with each other over different ideals. I'm sure after the Engagments are over and the dust has settled from the feild (for a time) we can look back and talk stragety and planning as well as the general feel for the fight in 9uy. But as this is an ongoing seige plans/thoughts/ discusions from CVA members probally won't give alot of insight. That being said, we have had plenty of pew pew, which is what makes eve fun. The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close to the sun
Adeptus mecanicus The Flaming Sideburn's Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.05.10 23:59:00 - [187] Edited by: Adeptus mecanicus on 10/05/2007 23:57:54 saying that BoBBits vs RA and friends are the same as CVA vs UK give me the feel of the Brendivin and haifiskur.....mixed in a food processor and served in a tall glass..... basicly a load of c***. why you might say? well UK and CVA have the game depth in mind and the the backstory and potencial futuristic dynamic in mind....BoB? greed and power.....RA? same basicly.....and also thats the goal of every old/new/budding alliance in eve....so basicly the rest if us "myself included (tho im a RP thukker)" so dont say that they support alliance or coalision coz basicly CVA and UK mainly care about providence....and unless you comute past it nobody else do........ this is my words and if you bawl to my boss about ill date your mom
Raane Thyandar Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.11 03:19:00 - [188] I think the point about NBSI/Defining Piracy needs to be addressed: Providence is considered 'open', CVA and UK have declared such to differing degrees, CVA stating that KOS is Pirates and Terrorists and UK stating KOS is anyone supporting slavery in any form. People can come and go as they please and carry out their business unless they fall on the foul side of either KOS. IAC space is not 'open' on the by-and-large but a region which they have declared sovereignty over and never declared open.As such they are fully within their rights to enforce their sovereignty of this space by destroying anyone they feel is impinging on their territory. In Providence however they abide by the fact that it is 'open' space. To operate NBSI in declared 'open' space is piracy when motivated by profit or if simply motivated by the love of combat it's bloodthirsty sociopathic breach of the peace. Both of which CVA is obliged under their policies to put an end to and protect the denizens of it's protectorate open space.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.11 04:41:00 - [189] Quote: BOTH sides had engaged multiple times in POS warfare prior to QR since the day POS were introduced. This "you started it, no you started it!" stuff is pretty stupid :p Though most of it seems to be coming from people looking in on the conflict. If anyone wants to get technical, I think the very first example of PoS warfare in this war predated dreadnoughts and involved a small PIE PoS put into reinforced. This was back when PIE was in CVA, obviously, and well before the U'K foothold in 9uy. So I think we can safely say that this is just another stage of what is effectively the longest running PoS war in EVE. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 08:22:00 - [190] Originally by: Solusar As for the idea that we had made plans to attack 9UY before the attacks on QBL, that is quite ludicrous. We had ideas about long term goals, but nothing was definate on "what to do next" and at that stage QR was still an ISS station so its safe to say we wernt planning on taking it at that point :p I just want to reiterate what Sol said here. Yes we had started discussing and planning an op to take a Minnie Outpost - but that discussion was kind of drifting along relatively aimlessly. When the QBL thing happened it gave us our first 'real' taste of POS warfare and we realised that we did actually have the ability to take your (UK's) Outposts - which up until that point we had been umming and ahhhing about. It was then that serious planning started to be initiated... ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Equinox Daedalus Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 09:10:00 - [191] Originally by: Adeptus mecanicus Edited by: Adeptus mecanicus on 10/05/2007 23:57:54 saying that BoBBits vs RA and friends are the same as CVA vs UK give me the feel of the Brendivin and haifiskur.....mixed in a food processor and served in a tall glass..... basicly a load of c***. why you might say? well UK and CVA have the game depth in mind and the the backstory and potencial futuristic dynamic in mind....BoB? greed and power.....RA? same basicly.....and also thats the goal of every old/new/budding alliance in eve....so basicly the rest if us "myself included (tho im a RP thukker)" so dont say that they support alliance or coalision coz basicly CVA and UK mainly care about providence....and unless you comute past it nobody else do........ What I ment to say was, That in comparasion to ANY major battle between players(read alliances/corps) Why should the CVA/UK war be different? yes we have respect for each other in terms of occ and we try not to smack, we try to play the game to ultimalty have fun fights, stories, and a general good time. However we also want to play eve, and use our toys and get blown up or blow ppl up. So what I ment to say basically is we want to play eve like everyone else does. We might not play it in the same exact way as everyone else, (we are intent upon being classy, fighting, having fun and generally not trying to ruin everyones eve life), but we also want to "win" battles and fights as much as the next person. I hate to see it when there is the "rp" quote put to things. To me that just adds history, stories, and background. I think at the end of the day everyone has an effect on the history of eve, which is in effect, a role play. sure you aren't running around with a wizard hat and a wand, but neither does the CVA or UK. And lastly, well would say differently about no one caring about providence. Seems alot of ppl do, judging on the forum response, the number of different entities in local, and the generally good showing by a majority of ppl fighting. The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close to the sun
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:26:00 - [192] Just going off for another tub of popcorn, everybody carry on as you were... F4T4L Recruitment
Adeptus mecanicus The Flaming Sideburn's Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.05.11 11:27:00 - [193] reply to equinox: 1. coalision vs alliance use metagameing/ UK vs CVA wont go to that level due to being OOC 2. CVA vs UK have the moral and guideline to have "honorable" fights/other alliances use every trick in the book (if out of tricks they throw the book at ya) 3. providence is a pipeline and apart from IAC wanting to secure it i dont see any tactical advantage of it due to poor mining/ratting and the task of securing it (will put you between a rock and a hard place) but the reason ppl take intrest is: UK and CVA have a special place in eve and is the alliances that are willing to help new players learn to walk in 0.0 they also have a special place in the pirates ship log due to giving them good fights and a training ground.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.11 11:49:00 - [194] IAC doesn't particularly care about providence pipeline, we do care about CVA and ofc we care about U'K since they were part of the group of alliances that tried to destroy us recently. http://eve.klaki.net/
Adeptus mecanicus The Flaming Sideburn's Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.05.11 11:59:00 - [195] Edited by: Adeptus mecanicus on 11/05/2007 11:57:35 Edited by: Adeptus mecanicus on 11/05/2007 11:57:24 well by saying that IAC "might" want control of that pipeline is due to curse being a mire of pirates and opposing alliances/corps and will be a struggle to dislodge compared to the fellas in providence......and the fact that there is some "friction" between UK and IAC as you are saying
Kharass Al'Quam Minmatar Team Jihad	Posted - 2007.05.11 16:24:00 - [196] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk IAC doesn't particularly care about providence pipeline, we do care about CVA and ofc we care about U'K since they were part of the group of alliances that tried to destroy us recently. Oh and some i think have not forgotten the slaveboy Hamish. Fly safe.
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.11 16:55:00 - [197] Hello baldi. Now Recruiting
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.11 18:04:00 - [198] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk IAC doesn't particularly care about providence pipeline, we do care about CVA and ofc we care about U'K since they were part of the group of alliances that tried to destroy us recently. How is the fight with Outbreak going since your decent PvP corps left? ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Spoon Thumb Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.05.11 19:56:00 - [199] Thanks for all the answers :) My own alliance has some "interest" with NBSI and neighbours, so although I can see some of Jade's points, I don't think she really knows the reality, and that CVA are doing incredibly well in that regard going against the general grain in the rest of Eve toward NBSI and piracy. Khaldari Research Services KPA Recruiting!
Equinox Daedalus Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 21:34:00 - [200] Aye you are correct. Thou some have tried to push the envolple even in this engagment in regards to metagaming and the PR spin. I think and hope CVA/UK players try to reign in thier allies/freinds as much as can be expected. Tis almost always civil even at the end of the day. In response to Miss Constantine: IAC are thier own alliance and have thier own KOS list that is much different from our own. CVA came to IAC's DEFENSE when it was underseige from MC/fix, but when IAC went on the offensive against ISS, CVA was not assiting them actively, besides freindly hellos in providence. I think the ideal difference between IAC and others in Providence is this: if a neutral person who gets shot by IAC in providence contacts me, I contact tyraxx or another IAC offical to get sorted reimbursement or if indeed that member is KOS to IAC, then i can see why IAC shot at them. That being said, IAC is an one thousand char alliance, and you will have a few "bad" seeds amongst the rest. I'm sure not every IAC member even is PRO CVA. Accidents will happen, sometimes standings crosses occur (hell even standing bugs on overview sometimes). I think the main difference between outbreak, est, evoke, is that if it is determined that it was a neutral non hostile, repayment is made. but that also would mean outbreak and est doesn't actually just shoot everyone on sight, Which would be a interesting change And in the end I don't consider UK a pirate organization. They are matari freedom-fighters. In so much as that, UK IS a "terrorist" organization from the perspective of CVA. Personally I just think they have embraced that role a bit more, letting others "terrorize" from thier homeland just as well. The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close to the sun
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 21:48:00 - [201] Originally by: Equinox Daedalus sure you aren't running around with a wizard hat and a wand, but neither does the CVA or UK. Speak for yourself Equinox! I just got my new hat and robe!.. mmmm velvet. Hopefully everyone is still having fun :)
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.11 22:35:00 - [202] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk IAC doesn't particularly care about providence pipeline, we do care about CVA and ofc we care about U'K since they were part of the group of alliances that tried to destroy us recently. How is the fight with Outbreak going since your decent PvP corps left? 10x as well as it was when they were still in IAC http://eve.klaki.net/
Mr Manufacture	Posted - 2007.05.12 08:22:00 - [203] Edited by: Mr Manufacture on 12/05/2007 08:20:19 ...
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.12 08:24:00 - [204] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk IAC doesn't particularly care about providence pipeline, we do care about CVA and ofc we care about U'K since they were part of the group of alliances that tried to destroy us recently. How is the fight with Outbreak going since your decent PvP corps left? 10x as well as it was when they were still in IAC o rly Must have been some party before they left ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.12 08:30:00 - [205] That period includes when they were in IAC, genius. http://eve.klaki.net/
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.12 08:36:00 - [206] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk That period includes when they were in IAC, genius. They were in IAC yesterday? Interesting. ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Princess Morenta Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.05.17 05:01:00 - [207] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 12/05/2007 08:38:21 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk That period includes when they were in IAC, genius. They were in IAC yesterday? Interesting. Actually no, I see what you mean now - in the last 7 days you've popped 7 of their ships. Your '1 ship a day' kill ratio is sure to turn the fight Campaign details - IAC :: April 7 --> Start date: 2007-04-07 What??

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