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Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.08 06:55:00 - [61] Originally by: Murukan In the end though it will always come down to U'k and CVA for prov. The alliances helping out either side won't be there in the long run as there really isn't any reward for living in prov really. If U'K does amass enough allies to take over CVA's stations it won't be that way in the long term as CVA has shown themselves superior to U'K in pvp prowess over and over again. When it settles back down and it's CVA vs U'K and ex-iss rabble CVA will regain their dominance over the area. Although it would make me happy to see CVA thoroughly spanked, from engaging them quite a few times during the Priory's war against them, and random encounters with U'K, CVA does have the edge. U'K are a scrappy bunch though so don't give up! This is largely true, and CVA at this moment are stronger than U'K alone. But U'K have never displayed any interest in a territorial POS war with CVA. The fights that have been roleplayed over the past 4 years between CVA/UK have been just that - stand up fights, not protracted seiges (and we all know how much 'fun' they are). I personally find it strange that CVA are looking to get rid of their playmate. If CVA do take the last U'K station, who are they going to have fun with on a day-by-day basis? QR is already empty 95% of the time, CVA simply don't have the numbers to support 5 outposts. Its a curious move. ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
sartorii Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.08 07:51:00 - [62] Originally by: Tar Kovsky As for me, I'm a firm convert to the "Garreck Doctrine" as described by Ginger in his recent devblog: everything we do in EVE is RP. indeed. *"disconnect and self destruct one mullet at at time" [sic]*
Ma Raia'l Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.08 08:27:00 - [63] Edited by: Ma Raia''l on 08/05/2007 08:26:32 Originally by: Butter Dog This is largely true, and CVA at this moment are stronger than U'K alone. But U'K have never displayed any interest in a territorial POS war with CVA. The fights that have been roleplayed over the past 4 years between CVA/UK have been just that - stand up fights, not protracted seiges (and we all know how much 'fun' they are). I personally find it strange that CVA are looking to get rid of their playmate. If CVA do take the last U'K station, who are they going to have fun with on a day-by-day basis? QR is already empty 95% of the time, CVA simply don't have the numbers to support 5 outposts. Its a curious move. The CVA and UK will never destroy each other, because their conflict is purely an in character affair. We (the loyalists) have good OOC friendships with a lot of the minnie rabble, and that's not going to change any time soon. U'K losing Unity Station won't be the death of them, and if you believe that then I think you completely misunderstand the situation, and the history between the CVA and U'K (not a flame, just saying). After Unity is clad in the banners of the CVA, U'K will engage in the thing they excel at: guerrilla warfare. They aren't going to roll over and die without an outpost, they'll go back to being the scrappers they are, and the conflict will never end, because neither side want it to end. The CVA had the full intention of effectively making Providence Amarrian, and U'K knew this when they started setting up POS's. (And for the record, between U'K and CVA, there's only 4 outposts.)
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.08 10:35:00 - [64] Edited by: Grimster on 08/05/2007 10:35:01 Originally by: Ma Raia'l The CVA and UK will never destroy each other, because their conflict is purely an in character affair. We (the loyalists) have good OOC friendships with a lot of the minnie rabble, and that's not going to change any time soon. U'K losing Unity Station won't be the death of them, and if you believe that then I think you completely misunderstand the situation, and the history between the CVA and U'K (not a flame, just saying). After Unity is clad in the banners of the CVA, U'K will engage in the thing they excel at: guerrilla warfare. They aren't going to roll over and die without an outpost, they'll go back to being the scrappers they are, and the conflict will never end, because neither side want it to end. I understand what you're saying - but you still appear at least to me to be talking in sandbox terms, what if an influence from outside the traditional IC conflict were to intervene in a big way? We fairly often see in this game 0.0 entities supressed to such an extent they eventually roll over and croak, the ability to carry a war isn't always in the hands of the alliances in question. Would we then see a situation where one or other of the IC alliances propping up their foes just to keep the full-on RP element going ingame? I know it's all a bit pie-in-the-sky (please excuse the pun) but this whole situation has piqued my interest. Feel free to correct any mistakes or assumptions I'm making as I'm quite the virgin to this area. Thanks. edit for my damned scissor hands. Blog at: The Jammy Blog
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.08 11:02:00 - [65] Originally by: Grimster Edited by: Grimster on 08/05/2007 10:35:01 Originally by: Ma Raia'l The CVA and UK will never destroy each other, because their conflict is purely an in character affair. We (the loyalists) have good OOC friendships with a lot of the minnie rabble, and that's not going to change any time soon. U'K losing Unity Station won't be the death of them, and if you believe that then I think you completely misunderstand the situation, and the history between the CVA and U'K (not a flame, just saying). After Unity is clad in the banners of the CVA, U'K will engage in the thing they excel at: guerrilla warfare. They aren't going to roll over and die without an outpost, they'll go back to being the scrappers they are, and the conflict will never end, because neither side want it to end. I understand what you're saying - but you still appear at least to me to be talking in sandbox terms, what if an influence from outside the traditional IC conflict were to intervene in a big way? We fairly often see in this game 0.0 entities supressed to such an extent they eventually roll over and croak, the ability to carry a war isn't always in the hands of the alliances in question. Would we then see a situation where one or other of the IC alliances propping up their foes just to keep the full-on RP element going ingame? I know it's all a bit pie-in-the-sky (please excuse the pun) but this whole situation has piqued my interest. Feel free to correct any mistakes or assumptions I'm making as I'm quite the virgin to this area. Thanks. edit for my damned scissor hands. There have been a lot of "wouldnt it be funny if..." scenarios talked about on teamspeak. But they will never happen, as it would mark the end of U'K vs CVA as we know it. The conflict would never be taken seriously again. Now Recruiting
mamolian Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.08 11:53:00 - [66] Originally by: Grimster Question. Now that the RP cat is essentially out of the bag, with both the CVA and UK sides requesting "outside" assistance, can we assume that both these alliances are now fair game as 0.0 entities? I know that others have already stated that this should be the case, but there are always a hard-core that state RP should be left to RP. Just interested. Personally I hope the 2 alliances can return to their ROE agreements and stop bringing in outside help.. unless a force other than CVA/UK threatens to take their space.. Its something Ive not seen in any other game, and to destroy it in eve.. would be a major blow not only to providence.. but to the RP community in eve.. Would be a terrible shame in my opinion.. Maelstrom has never been in much of a position to help out UK after we had left the providence area.. And Im ashamed often by being unable to help with that first big 9uy siege.. I'll help UK out in what ever way I can, overtly.. If CVA continue with this foolishness.. -------------------------------
Shaikar Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.08 13:07:00 - [67] I think a lot of people are missing the fact that no one on either side is a "0.0 entity" in the usual sense. Neither CVA nor U'K are founded purely on the holding of a certain area of space. The core existance of neither side is based around holding 0.0 space - CVA are Amarr loyalists fighting "terrorism" in the interests of the Empire and are currently engaged in trying to expand the empire. U'K are freedom fighters fighting for their people, if not necessarily their republic and are currently mostly engaged in trying to stop CVA expanding the Empire. U'K does not fight solely to live in 9UY and CVA isn't shoting them because they desperately want to live in 9UY. I wouldn't expect either side to collapse entirely or run off to the other end of the cluster if they lost all their 0.0 space as to an extent Providence is merely the battlefield, not the war. :)
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.08 13:20:00 - [68] Providence is utter ****e for being a 0.0 region.
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.08 13:28:00 - [69] Originally by: Mangold Providence is utter ****e for being a 0.0 region. That's not it's draw, it's location as an entry point to a swathe of 0.0 is. Blog at: The Jammy Blog
Hardin Amarr NoQ Holding Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.05.08 13:51:00 - [70] Firstly, I am not sure where all this ROE stuff is coming from but CVA and UK never had any ROE engagement other than a general 'understanding' that we would do the dirty work ourselves. Despite what Butterdog alleges (and we all know his forum accuracy) the CVA did not get 'outsiders' involved. The attack on QR was carried out by a collection of pro-Amarr corporations and alliances. The only one that the Minmatar's had any quibble about was 's3verance' - presumably because they hadn't seen them before - however, the CVA and s3verance had been working together for quite a while to protect a low-sec area of Amarr space from pirates. It has consistently been Ushra'khan who dragged 'outsiders' into this conflict which dates back to when certain UK pilots claimed that anyone living peacefully in CVA space was fair game - thus driving many of the non-'rp' neutrals living in Providence into the CVA fold i.e. Huzzah/NOS etc. We also had a more recent example when we (CVA) were threatened with anhiliation by The Enslaver of LV when we 'dared' to attack a UK system while they went off to attack IAC with their ISS friends. Consistently the CVA has kept 'outsiders' out of the fight and continue to do so. Several of the alliances now working with UK actually proposed working with the CVA to destroy them (UK). We turned them down! We have also turned down proposals from both Goonswarm and IAC to end the Minmatar presence in 9UY. I can understand why Ushra'khan have called in the current motley crew to defend them. The fact is that CVA and our Amarrian allies WILL take 9UY unless the Minmatar's get outside help. Yes the general RP 'see-saw' is heavily weighted to the Amarr side at present. The CVA and our Amarrian friends have retained their old hands, we have grown steadily larger and more proficient, whilst UK has to some extent stagnated - the defection of many of their best pilots to BoB didn't help either. As a result the CVA and our friends DO NOT NEED to bring in outsiders when we can complete the destruction of the Minmatar foothold in Providence (a long term CVA goal) OURSELVES. Nevertheless, I do not mind that the UK has called in 'outsiders' as in my mind many of the 'outsiders' really aren't 'outsiders' at all. Many have been involved in the Providence story for a long time (with the exception of some of the former 'D2' help they are getting in the form of EVOKE and Einherjar Rising). The fact that many of the Minmatar's new 'friends' are old enemies of the CVA is quite appropriate and RPish. Littlest Hobos - former ISS PvPers - have a grudge against CVA dating back to when we stopped ISS building an Outpost in our space Outbreak - another old enemy CVA has butted heads with many times The Establishment - has clashed with CVA on many occasions over the years TSDS (who have apparently now put in an appearance) - have been soundly thrashed by CVA on at least three occasions. These organisations all have a history with CVA and are in fact part of the 'Providence' story so I see no reason at all why Ushra'khan shouldn't form an unholy alliance against us. What I will however point out is that Ushra'khan can never again claim to be an 'anti-pirate' alliance with bedfellows like those... The fact is that UK on its own no longer has the capacity to defend 9UY against CVA and friends and we have ALWAYS has a STATED goal to make Providence Amarrian (AND THEY KNEW THAT WHEN THEY MOVED HERE) I am sorry if it feels like we are kicking over the sandcastles but the fact is that this is a REAL war and has been a real war for three years. We don't want to kill Ushra'khan but that is not our choice. Will losing 9UY kill them or drive them on a different evolutionary path? Oracle came and went, the People's Front of Minmatar came and went... Will UK go? Who knows! All I know is that the CVA will always have plenty of enemies because we fight for Amarr and Empire! ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.08 14:01:00 - [71] Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 08/05/2007 14:03:41 To set the record straight, TSDS have nothing to do with U'K. They have not been invited by us, they are set red & they are not in any of our channels. Incidently TSDS came to us on several occasions with a similar offer to help remove CVA, which we of course refused Now Recruiting
Hardin Amarr NoQ Holding Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.05.08 14:09:00 - [72] Thanks for the clarity on that one - I am sure TSDS will always want to join in on a good CVA bashing We have left a lot of enemies in our holy wake ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.08 14:12:00 - [73] Originally by: Hardin Littlest Hobos - renegade ISS Navy officers and reservists - have a grudge against CVA dating back to when we stopped ISS building an Outpost in our space Fixed it for you. ISS would never have sanctioned this sort of intervention, unless it was to defend an investment in 9UY, or supress piracy. The disagreement and brief war with CVA over the siting of the ISS Consido outpost was 'just business'.
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.08 14:12:00 - [74] Excellent update Hardin, thanks. Blog at: The Jammy Blog
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.08 14:16:00 - [75] Originally by: Hardin What I will however point out is that Ushra'khan can never again claim to be an 'anti-pirate' alliance with bedfellows like those... Stones in glass houses Hardin. CVA has allies who shoot neutrals, U'K have allies who shoot neutrals. Claiming your enemy is "pirate" because it has friends who practise NBSI is the height of hypocrisy for you guys. Star Fraction is recruiting
Hardin Amarr NoQ Holding Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.05.08 14:16:00 - [76] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Originally by: Hardin Littlest Hobos - renegade ISS Navy officers and reservists - have a grudge against CVA dating back to when we stopped ISS building an Outpost in our space Fixed it for you. ISS would never have sanctioned this sort of intervention, unless it was to defend an investment in 9UY, or supress piracy. The disagreement and brief war with CVA over the siting of the ISS Consido outpost was 'just business'. It may have been just business but it did have the effect of making some vocal ISSN elements dislike CVA (aka Butter and chums) leading to other subsequent fun run ins - i.e. when Butter went pirate in Sukanen + ISSN and UK have helped each other in the past - so in effect their involvement fist quite well with the creation of an anti-CVA coalition. It is all RP ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Hardin Amarr NoQ Holding Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.05.08 14:17:00 - [77] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Hardin What I will however point out is that Ushra'khan can never again claim to be an 'anti-pirate' alliance with bedfellows like those... Stones in glass houses Hardin. CVA has allies who shoot neutrals, U'K have allies who shoot neutrals. Claiming your enemy is "pirate" because it has friends who practise NBSI is the height of hypocrisy for you guys. Oh shut up... ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.08 14:25:00 - [78] Originally by: Hardin Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Hardin What I will however point out is that Ushra'khan can never again claim to be an 'anti-pirate' alliance with bedfellows like those... Stones in glass houses Hardin. CVA has allies who shoot neutrals, U'K have allies who shoot neutrals. Claiming your enemy is "pirate" because it has friends who practise NBSI is the height of hypocrisy for you guys. Oh shut up... sore point I guess ... Star Fraction is recruiting
Hardin Amarr NoQ Holding Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.05.08 14:26:00 - [79] No just fed up with SF sniping - especially when it's illinformed sniping - I just can't be arsed to derail this thread to start another discussion with you about it... ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Kovid Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.08 14:31:00 - [80] Edited by: Kovid on 08/05/2007 14:31:31 Edited by: Kovid on 08/05/2007 14:29:48 Originally by: mamolian Originally by: Grimster Question. Now that the RP cat is essentially out of the bag, with both the CVA and UK sides requesting "outside" assistance, can we assume that both these alliances are now fair game as 0.0 entities? I know that others have already stated that this should be the case, but there are always a hard-core that state RP should be left to RP. Just interested. Personally I hope the 2 alliances can return to their ROE agreements and stop bringing in outside help.. unless a force other than CVA/UK threatens to take their space.. Its something Ive not seen in any other game, and to destroy it in eve.. would be a major blow not only to providence.. but to the RP community in eve.. Would be a terrible shame in my opinion.. Maelstrom has never been in much of a position to help out UK after we had left the providence area.. And Im ashamed often by being unable to help with that first big 9uy siege.. I'll help UK out in what ever way I can, overtly.. If CVA continue with this foolishness.. BS. Everyone RPs. If you come upon a RPer in some other place prime for the picking are you going to not shoot them? Will the next person do so? Should they do the same for you if the roles were reversed? There are no special rules that apply to one group or another. And the devs who support everyone RPing wouldn't want to treat people differently either. You say it would ruin the core struggle. How do you know if that destabilized something else wouldn't happen elsewhere, with either the same people or another faction. The fact you are limiting RP groups to RP groups are ... are limiting. NonRp groups can provide epic stories to the the game fighting say an Amarr empire just as they do fighting each other. The stories of multi faction capsuleer orginaztions of grand proportions are their OWN grand empires with rich histories as well. They deserve as much respect towards the game as the smaller RP groups who create their own stories in smaller ways. Both you see in news reports. Both groups pay for the whole game. Why limit them to a subsection of people. And interacting with smaller groups becomes the same repeated cycle. They even suffer at times because the limited amounts. 0.0 is not for the meek. CVA has been the big dog in the region and got spanked by a resugance of their enemies to come back to the area. Until then they had the area to themselves because no one had the power to take them. .... No one non-RP. It's 0.0. It's null security. And it's not just 0.0 for RPers, but anyone. If they can't hold space as a group, they don't deserve it. The fun is in the whole game, not just a section. People paid for the whole game, not just the percentage of it (the RPers.) ---------------------------------- An informal Star Fraction FAQ \| ----------------------------------
Hardin Amarr NoQ Holding Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.05.08 14:42:00 - [81] Edited by: Hardin on 08/05/2007 14:39:46 Originally by: Kovid Edited by: Kovid on 08/05/2007 14:31:31 Edited by: Kovid on 08/05/2007 14:29:48 Originally by: mamolian Originally by: Grimster Question. Now that the RP cat is essentially out of the bag, with both the CVA and UK sides requesting "outside" assistance, can we assume that both these alliances are now fair game as 0.0 entities? I know that others have already stated that this should be the case, but there are always a hard-core that state RP should be left to RP. Just interested. Personally I hope the 2 alliances can return to their ROE agreements and stop bringing in outside help.. unless a force other than CVA/UK threatens to take their space.. Its something Ive not seen in any other game, and to destroy it in eve.. would be a major blow not only to providence.. but to the RP community in eve.. Would be a terrible shame in my opinion.. Maelstrom has never been in much of a position to help out UK after we had left the providence area.. And Im ashamed often by being unable to help with that first big 9uy siege.. I'll help UK out in what ever way I can, overtly.. If CVA continue with this foolishness.. BS. Everyone RPs. If you come upon a RPer in some other place prime for the picking are you going to not shoot them? Will the next person do so? Should they do the same for you if the roles were reversed? There are no special rules that apply to one group or another. And the devs who support everyone RPing wouldn't want to treat people differently either. You say it would ruin the core struggle. How do you know if that destabilized something else wouldn't happen elsewhere, with either the same people or another faction. The fact you are limiting RP groups to RP groups are ... are limiting. NonRp groups can provide epic stories to the the game fighting say an Amarr empire just as they do fighting each other. The stories of multi faction capsuleer orginaztions of grand proportions are their OWN grand empires with rich histories as well. They deserve as much respect towards the game as the smaller RP groups who create their own stories in smaller ways. Both you see in news reports. Both groups pay for the whole game. Why limit them to a subsection of people. And interacting with smaller groups becomes the same repeated cycle. They even suffer at times because the limited amounts. 0.0 is not for the meek. CVA has been the big dog in the region and got spanked by a resugance of their enemies to come back to the area. Until then they had the area to themselves because no one had the power to take them. .... No one non-RP. It's 0.0. It's null security. And it's not just 0.0 for RPers, but anyone. If they can't hold space as a group, they don't deserve it. The fun is in the whole game, not just a section. People paid for the whole game, not just the percentage of it (the RPers.) And this is an example of a good SF post Although I do disagree with the 'spanked' part. We lost a battle... not a war ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Amith Silvermoon The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.08 14:48:00 - [82] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Originally by: Hardin Littlest Hobos - renegade ISS Navy officers and reservists - have a grudge against CVA dating back to when we stopped ISS building an Outpost in our space Fixed it for you. ISS would never have sanctioned this sort of intervention, unless it was to defend an investment in 9UY, or supress piracy. The disagreement and brief war with CVA over the siting of the ISS Consido outpost was 'just business'. The fact that Bum and the Hobo's are supporting UK's effort to defend their outpost has nothing to do with Consido. Many of the member's feel we need to repay UK's past and current friendship, and that turning our back on them in their hour of need would be a poor way to repay them. ---------- Everyday Combat - A Littlest Hobos Movie
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.08 14:58:00 - [83] Originally by: Hardin No just fed up with SF sniping - especially when it's illinformed sniping - I just can't be arsed to derail this thread to start another discussion with you about it... Then accept I'm calling it like it is Hardin. You count IAC amongst your allies, IAC practise NBSI - NBSI = "piracy". Hence there is no sensible way you can make propaganda mileage over Ushra'khan for having parotty allies themselves. Call it "sniping" if you like, but maybe I'm a little tired seeing the CVA pretend to be holier-than-thou on the piracy issue while having very off-colour friends yourselves. Sauce for the goose Hardin. Star Fraction is recruiting
Hardin Amarr NoQ Holding Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.05.08 15:02:00 - [84] Yes I mentioned that in my reply. Basically there are long term links between ISS and UK - so I for one have no issues with Littlest Hobos being involved as their heritage and history ties them to UK - the Considio affair is just one factor in the colourful history of Providence and I am sure had some small part to play in giving ISS a more UK friendly slant, which was then refinforced during The Establishment/Veto attack on 9UY and UK subsequent help in the war vs IAC... ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Hardin Amarr NoQ Holding Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.05.08 15:11:00 - [85] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Hardin No just fed up with SF sniping - especially when it's illinformed sniping - I just can't be arsed to derail this thread to start another discussion with you about it... Then accept I'm calling it like it is Hardin. You count IAC amongst your allies, IAC practise NBSI - NBSI = "piracy". Hence there is no sensible way you can make propaganda mileage over Ushra'khan for having parotty allies themselves. Call it "sniping" if you like, but maybe I'm a little tired seeing the CVA pretend to be holier-than-thou on the piracy issue while having very off-colour friends yourselves. Sauce for the goose Hardin. This statement clearly shows you have no understanding of how IAC operates and nor do you have any clear understanding of the IAC/CVA relationship. Suffice to say calling us 'allies' is grossly inaccurate - after all do you see CVA ships on the frontline of the war with BoB or indeed IAC ships helping us in 9UY? All you want to do is score bull** points as demonstrated above. The CVA has a long and proud history of anti-piracy action indeed we are acknowledged as one of the formost anti-pirate organisations in EVE. By all means continue trying to smear our name with clever rhetoric when our actions demonstrate the idiocy of your words on a daily basis... I will not bother to reply to any more or your posts on this subject as this thread has been derailed enough as it is... ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR**
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.08 15:26:00 - [86] Originally by: Hardin This statement clearly shows you have no understanding of how IAC operates and nor do you have any clear understanding of the IAC/CVA relationship. Suffice to say calling us 'allies' is grossly inaccurate - after all do you see CVA ships on the frontline of the war with BoB or indeed IAC ships helping us in 9UY? Mutual good standings, mixed groups on killmails. Past mutual support. Meets the definitions of "ally" in my book. Quote: The CVA has a long and proud history of anti-piracy action indeed we are acknowledged as one of the formost anti-pirate organisations in EVE. So you say. But it doesn't wash when you look at the small print. Your friends and allies in Providence fire on neutrals. Your extra-regional allies operate NBSI. Frankly at this point anyone seeing CVA as an "anti-pirate" organisation is wearing blinkers and needs to wake up and smell the roses. What you are good at Hardin is holding your off-colour allies at a distance and pretending your relations are never formalised. Spinning, in other words. But you really shouldn't act all outraged and self-righteous about it when you are called on these associations. Quote: By all means continue trying to smear our name with clever rhetoric when our actions demonstrate the idiocy of your words on a daily basis... I don't see there is any call for personal insults in this discussion Hardin. Star Fraction is recruiting
Hardin Amarr NoQ Holding Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.05.08 15:39:00 - [87] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine I don't see there is any call for personal insults in this discussion Hardin. If you thought that was a personal insult then you are more sensitive than I thought. As for the rest of your linguistic flatulence it is absolute crap and you know it Jasmine. If anyone is spinning here it is you. People can judge CVA on it's actions over three years and decide whether they want to believe us or a Star Fraction PR lackey. Anyway putting this thread back on topic a RP perspective: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=517457 ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
eRabbit 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.08 15:52:00 - [88] Originally by: Hardin Littlest Hobos - former ISS PvPers - have a grudge against CVA dating back to when we stopped ISS building an Outpost in our space Wrong, BUM are here helping because U'K are our friends, they were there to help us when we were in ISS and we repay the favour, even when we're no longer ISS.
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.08 16:11:00 - [89] Who was invited/who offered Prior Residents BUM - already residents of 9uy (long history with them through ISS) ENH - already basing out of 9uy (a long history of fighting them in a passed, but after repeated diplomacy efforts on their part and an additional roleplayed letter we set them blue prior to the 9uy attack)[no dreads] Ev0ke - Recently departed from D2 & without a home, we were already in talks with them before the assult.[no dreads] EST - Were already in talks about the possibility of a nap & docking rights prior to 9uy attack.[no dreads] Invited Themselfs Outbreak - Contacted us and offered help, who were we to refuse!? [no dreads] Invited by Ushra'khan Chaos Encarnate - Helped us in QR, friends of imperial order. Only ally to be deploying large numbers of dreads. I must make it clear, that ALL of the people listed as prior residents agreed to a NDRS policy in Ushra'khan Sov space. None of them are "pirates" in the stricted sense of the word. All of them are pretty nasty :) Now Recruiting
Hardin Amarr NoQ Holding Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.05.08 16:25:00 - [90] Originally by: Eddie Gordo I must make it clear, that ALL of the people listed as prior residents agreed to a NDRS policy in Ushra'khan Sov space. Which therefore gives them carte blanche to operate NBSI in the rest of Providence using 9UY as a safe base of operations As I said in my original post on the page before I have no issue with you calling in 'friends' to help you save your Outpost especially as 'most' do have a Providence history... However I do think you need to rename your 9UY station: TORTUGA - http://www.thepiratesrealm.com/Isle%20of%20Tortuga.html We look forward to cleaning out this den of 'evil' ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR

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