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doctorstupid2
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.07 09:59:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Necro EvilZombie
i give you bonus points for Biggie in your sig though 
SOMEONE GOT THE REFERENCE \o/
I honestly wonder how many people get it 
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Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2007.05.07 10:04:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Necronomicon
If you have a good customer, one who never needs reminding of outstanding bills, never questions you, helps rather than hinders your operations, would you turn on them on a whim?
No, you would not.
We have several clients who have emplyed us in the past on multiple occassions; and it is natural that a business relationship builds, one that becomes more and more beneficial to each party.
With that in mind, if another party came to us and asked us to turn on that entity, we would have to think long and hard about the many possible outcomes from our actions. And if the risk was not worth the reward, then the contract would be turned down.
This is not bias, it is business. You want to coax the MC away from working for (or even attacking) BoB, then you need to replace BoB as the MC's best customer, and THAT is a tall order for any other entity in Eve at this time.
Your reasoning would make sense, if MC were not equal to BoB.
I have strong doubts MC are even slightly independant.
As far as I know Seleene and BoB leadership are buddies.
Any money paid to the MC is money indirectly given to BoB, since BoB and MC work together. It just does not make sense to hire them or accept their serices if you are not on BoBs side.
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SumDum
AirHawk Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.07 10:08:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Slinktress
For curiosity sake I asked how much they would charge to fight BOB, and the off the record answer was somewhere around 500 billion per week. I never got a price quote on Privateers before it was too late.
You just put them on-the-record btw. :P
As for the price, Slinkie you could try giving them the hard sell. Complete certain movie moment reenactment and the voodoo that you do so well. Never know, maybe they knock a couple benjamin's off the top for just you. Hell they might even surrender.
Keep up the good fight.
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Khatred
Fluffy Mungoose
Guinea Pigs
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Posted - 2007.05.07 10:12:00 -
[34]
I would hire MC. But apparently some D2 are already calling some of my alliance mates "Bob alts"
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Aeleva
Caldari
Hegemonic Core
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.05.07 10:21:00 -
[35]
If someone would find seleens topic covering this. The gist was a few people almost contracted them against bob but one group pulled out and the other didnt have a good plan. He also said that when MC decided to sort out a place in 0.0 to live that BOB were the only one of the large alliances they approached that were able to work out a good deal, and are also the only one of those alliances left alive.
I think the deal was a long the lines of MC live in bob space and in return will do x ammount of work for BOB. Though thats really just a rough estimate. Anyway seleene did a large post on all of this, i just cba to search
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Grimster
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.07 10:25:00 -
[36]
You'll find it here along with the related tinfoil-hattery and flamage.
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.07 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 07/05/2007 10:34:57
This discussion has become irrelevant.
It is patently obvious to me that they will never fight BoB.
'Why?' is of no consequence, the only answers these silly threads* seek to gain are admissions of guilt from the MC. That's not going to happen is it? So lets all just forget it.
Believe what you want to believe.
*Apologies to the op if you really want an honest answer, lol.
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Pawnee
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Posted - 2007.05.07 10:41:00 -
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MC is the wrong name. The real name is Mercs of BOB Coalition. Only BOB or affilitates of BOB can hire them. MC themselves are just an affiliate of BOB as long as they think BOB is the strongest alliance in Eve and they joined the winner side. If an MC is talking about human hyprocrisy, they think about their own hyprocrisy in this game. It's true, many ppl are hypocrites, but it is wrong, you'd not have to be in Eve a hypocrite. It is just a game and wouldn't cost you anything real to be NOT a hypocrite.
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Eleese
Caldari
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.07 10:45:00 -
[39]
You can see where this thread is going by the title... "mighty Mc" its quite clearly flame bait without even reading the rest of it.
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.05.07 10:49:00 -
[40]
could someone of MC get c0rn1 to answer my eve-mails plz? Spank him abit aswell if needed, he likes that 
of course they will not fight bob. they will also not fight someone that is under bob protection.
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Grimster
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.07 10:50:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Pawnee
MC is the wrong name. The real name is Mercs of BOB Coalition. Only BOB or affilitates of BOB can hire them. MC themselves are just an affiliate of BOB as long as they think BOB is the strongest alliance in Eve and they joined the winner side. If an MC is talking about human hyprocrisy, they think about their own hyprocrisy in this game. It's true, many ppl are hypocrites, but it is wrong, you'd not have to be in Eve a hypocrite. It is just a game and wouldn't cost you anything real to be NOT a hypocrite.
OFC sweetheart - that's because you know everything there is to know about BoB and the MC.
Right?
How hypocritical can you be if you believe something you really know nothing about outside what's said on forums/whispers in the night/heard in a dream?
Just wondering.
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Pawnee
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Posted - 2007.05.07 10:52:00 -
[42]
... if you know more, why don't you just say it instead of blowing so much hot air in this thread? 
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Grimster
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.07 10:54:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Pawnee
... if you know more, why don't you just say it instead of blowing so much hot air in this thread?
Now that's just plain trolling, sorry I made you look silly.
Hugs?
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Pawnee
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Posted - 2007.05.07 11:01:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Pawnee on 07/05/2007 11:06:17
Edited by: Pawnee on 07/05/2007 11:01:53
Edited by: Pawnee on 07/05/2007 11:00:54
Originally by: Grimster
Originally by: Pawnee
... if you know more, why don't you just say it instead of blowing so much hot air in this thread?
Now that's just plain trolling, sorry I made you look silly.
Hugs?
you started trolling against me before, I only trolled against MC, but some MCs already trolled in this thread before me!  Mind this, and come down from your selective perception.
So when do you change your name in Mercs of BOB coaliton? (...or are you not sure enough, whether the BOB plan will work?) 
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Felxia
CrossFire Collective
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Posted - 2007.05.07 11:18:00 -
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MC will never be true mercs. Their choice is not dumb though to have made a deal with BoB.
And don't go saying "they will if the price is right". There is way more to the game than that. Respect, friendship etc.. Even if you had like 500 billion or whatever is needed they won't fold.
IF MC were only not allowed ot take up contracts against BoB. I'd say they are mercs. However they cannot fight allies of BoB aka Meatshields/Buffers/Pets/Bobbits which nearly halfs out all of 0.0.
Either make sure the target is non-BoBit (in that case hire them) or get yourself another merc unit. Burn Eden (if the price is right I've heard), KIA etc.
If your going to smack back at be prepared to post some hard facts instead of running your mouth off because I will smack back.
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Felxia
CrossFire Collective
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Posted - 2007.05.07 11:22:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Grimster
Originally by: Pawnee
MC is the wrong name. The real name is Mercs of BOB Coalition. Only BOB or affilitates of BOB can hire them. MC themselves are just an affiliate of BOB as long as they think BOB is the strongest alliance in Eve and they joined the winner side. If an MC is talking about human hyprocrisy, they think about their own hyprocrisy in this game. It's true, many ppl are hypocrites, but it is wrong, you'd not have to be in Eve a hypocrite. It is just a game and wouldn't cost you anything real to be NOT a hypocrite.
OFC sweetheart - that's because you know everything there is to know about BoB and the MC.
Right?
How hypocritical can you be if you believe something you really know nothing about outside what's said on forums/whispers in the night/heard in a dream?
Just wondering.
Your response is pathetic and has no backbone to it. You are jsut smacking because you know hes right and you have nothing to shoot back at him.
And if it is diffrent, post away. I and I'm pretty sure the rest of the people here are dieing to hear...
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.07 11:34:00 -
[47]
You know, I was going through my vids collection the other night and watched the History of the MC one again. In it, it describes at one point how they took a contract vs the [5], and how it laid to rest much speculation about how MC and [5] were supposedly in cahoots.
Of course, I also remember at around the same time the speculation surrounding the close relationship between BoB and [5]. Together they made BOOBIE5, remember? 
Fast forward to today, and look where the majority of [5] pilots now. Hell, it's even been said that ATUK were always considered members of both alliances from the beginning, anyway.
So in a roundabout way, MC *have* fought BoB, or elements of them at least anyway. *shrug*
/Ben
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Grimster
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.07 11:40:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Felxia
Originally by: Grimster
Originally by: Pawnee
MC is the wrong name. The real name is Mercs of BOB Coalition. Only BOB or affilitates of BOB can hire them. MC themselves are just an affiliate of BOB as long as they think BOB is the strongest alliance in Eve and they joined the winner side. If an MC is talking about human hyprocrisy, they think about their own hyprocrisy in this game. It's true, many ppl are hypocrites, but it is wrong, you'd not have to be in Eve a hypocrite. It is just a game and wouldn't cost you anything real to be NOT a hypocrite.
OFC sweetheart - that's because you know everything there is to know about BoB and the MC.
Right?
How hypocritical can you be if you believe something you really know nothing about outside what's said on forums/whispers in the night/heard in a dream?
Just wondering.
Your response is pathetic and has no backbone to it. You are jsut smacking because you know hes right and you have nothing to shoot back at him.
And if it is diffrent, post away. I and I'm pretty sure the rest of the people here are dieing to hear...
Huh?
How can pointing out that someone obviously doesn't know anything about a given entity beyond speculation be pathetic and have no backbone?
Because it's true?
Bottom line is 99.9% of what's said in this place is purely that - speculation.
For example, I know nothing about IAC beyond once shooting at them, To then speculate that the reason Foo and company left was because of a lovers tiff between him and Tyrrax as they couldn't decide what colour the bedclothes should be is just as ludicrous as posting hypocritically about how we are indeed BoB alts and would never shoot anything with a "bob pet" forum tag.
Do the MC (or any other in-game-entity) owe you an explaination about the inns and outs of how we choose to play the game?
I don't think so.
Why do you care?
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Mattduk
Gallente
Universal Army
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Posted - 2007.05.07 11:49:00 -
[49]
No such thing as bad publicity :)
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Sahwoolo Etoophie
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.05.07 12:10:00 -
[50]
Thread cleaned of offtopic, trolling, alt posts and replies to those. Please keep it civilized in the future and please do not reply to (and quote) posts that are not within CAOD posting rules, as they will get moderated anyway.
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GoGo Yubari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.07 12:30:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Ben Derindar
So in a roundabout way, MC *have* fought BoB, or elements of them at least anyway. *shrug*
I think we've pretty much shot everyone and their brother in the face. So, frankly, it's kind of a miracle anyone wants to hire us anymore. However, this is a game, people get sudden urges to conquer their neighbor's territory, and that's where we come in.
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Kieranda
Weyland-Yutani Future Technologies Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.07 12:31:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Kieranda on 07/05/2007 12:27:52
Originally by: Felxia
MC will never be true mercs. Their choice is not dumb though to have made a deal with BoB.
And don't go saying "they will if the price is right". There is way more to the game than that. Respect, friendship etc.. Even if you had like 500 billion or whatever is needed they won't fold.
IF MC were only not allowed ot take up contracts against BoB. I'd say they are mercs. However they cannot fight allies of BoB aka Meatshields/Buffers/Pets/Bobbits which nearly halfs out all of 0.0.
Either make sure the target is non-BoBit (in that case hire them) or get yourself another merc unit. Burn Eden (if the price is right I've heard), KIA etc.
If your going to smack back at be prepared to post some hard facts instead of running your mouth off because I will smack back.
unfortunately the USA and a few others didn't sign the Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions 1977 (APGC77) that describes in Art.47,2 what a "true" mercenary is so there is no definitve international description of a mercenary, but comparing what MC does here to what mercenaries did throughout history for the past 2000 years and take that as a base definition, they are very well within any definition of what a "true" mercenary is
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Rennard
Aku Soku Zan
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Posted - 2007.05.07 12:38:00 -
[53]
There is nothing "mighty" about MC, all they did is to build a capital fleet under wings of BOB. For that reason, they owe everything to BOB, and will never attack BOB no matter what...
This thread is b.u.l.l.s.h.i.t like the rest of "How much would MC want to attack BOB?" threads.
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ED 209
Old Detroit Crime Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.07 12:41:00 -
[54]
another cryalition thread \0/
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Haks'he Lirky
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.07 13:04:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 07/05/2007 13:13:42
Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 07/05/2007 13:01:44
Originally by: Felxia
MC will never be true mercs. Their choice is not dumb though to have made a deal with BoB.
And don't go saying "they will if the price is right". There is way more to the game than that. Respect, friendship etc.. Even if you had like 500 billion or whatever is needed they won't fold.
IF MC were only not allowed ot take up contracts against BoB. I'd say they are mercs. However they cannot fight allies of BoB aka Meatshields/Buffers/Pets/Bobbits which nearly halfs out all of 0.0.
Either make sure the target is non-BoBit (in that case hire them) or get yourself another merc unit. Burn Eden (if the price is right I've heard), KIA etc.
If your going to smack back at be prepared to post some hard facts instead of running your mouth off because I will smack back.
There are many things that define a mercenary, being neutral or only working for one employer are not amongst those definitions. And if BoB is paying MC for what they are doing then they are true mercenaries.
Gurkhas and Foreign Legionnaires for example are considered Mercenaries, yet each of them only works for one boss. Many real world mercenary (contractors) outfits work exclusively for the US government, or other western entities.
EDIT: Sorry Gurkhas and the foreign legionnaires are indeed not considered mercs, sorry about that.
So if in fact the term mercenary is being coined from something that we take for granted in reality then MC are pretty much what they say they are.
Neutrality holds no defining hold over the term mercenary.
I however find it odd that MC seems to claim that they have the ability to become neutral, I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens on that front.
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Don Z0LA
Caldari
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2007.05.07 13:05:00 -
[56]
Originally by: ED 209
another cryalition thread \0/
another alt post \o/
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Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.05.07 13:24:00 -
[57]
Oh come on people, please...*KAAA-BLAMMO!!* [insert sound of falling brain pieces]
-"HOLY ****! Wow! Did you see that, that guys head just exploded! WTF?!"
-"Well, I think this topic and its 'logical' arguments came up one time to many. Damn it."
/Lowa - think outside the box
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Goca
KAOS.
KA0S Theory
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Posted - 2007.05.07 13:32:00 -
[58]
Black Water
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_USA
ya think Iran could hire them?
same deal here...
I'm sure they debate alot about whether they should go fight one of the most powerful alliances in the game holding numerous stations and vast territory on contract for an alliance with around a billion in it's bank account and one station...
I would think reality creeps in from time to time..
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Banlish
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.07 13:42:00 -
[59]
Oh for pete's sake.
Lets bust this down to simple terms.
But before I do, I want to say. My corp has been fighting MC since they first came up north and began slowly creeping into Fade and Dek. And I have to admit, after having litterally hundreds of fights against them (our killboard proves it) they showed themselves to be respectful, professional and smack free. We had some misconceptions about the MC before we began fighting them. Please note we were fighting them while in FLA not as part of Sparta However I've seen more then half a dozen messages from various MC members and even one from Storm Armada about 'good fight, much respect' the feeling is quite mutual.
Now with that said.
There isn't just ONE way to classify a merc.
I believe there are:
Class D These are the mercs that don't really know what thier doing, OR are pretending not to know what their doing to just get ISK. Fly around a bit, make some noise but generally just to get their clients ISK and put the fear into thier clients target by presenting more targets. These mercs would also consider the 'contract' to be 'flexable' arrangement. So if the other side offered them more ISK they would switch sides and go back and forth like this till the war was over and/or both sides hated them.
Class C These are the mercs that have anywhere from 2 to 10 contracts under their belts, they know how the system basically works and their starting to come into their own. They might have one or two capitals but to risk these assets the owners other are rich and don't care and/or they get a client to pay through the nose for em. Their good if you can find em, but it takes combing the forums and for every 1 that's worth it, there are 2 that are bad and won't do anything.
Class B These are the mercs that are really starting to make a name for themselves and have been working in certain sectors of EVE for months if not years Many people associated Outbreak with working in the north for instance However these mercs can take AND recieve a pounding without shattering. Mercs in this class can take almost horrendous losses in a battle and they still have good replacements stashed elsewhere and can come back, meaner and ready for payback.
Class A These mercs are known by almost everyone, by name at the very least. Or by the fact that along some of their careers they've faced these mercs and know how good they are. (Example: I've only been in EVE for around 20 months but I've fought against Burn Eden, Outbreak, Veto, KIA and MC. Why? Because they take contracts almost anywhere and are willing to travel to setup a new offensive) On top of that, these kinds of mercs deploy all kinds of crazy gear that even some corps cannot deploy. Large groups of capitals, super capitals, full tech 2 fleets, etc. They can bring the fight, and some bring it 23/7 or until the contract lapses. They also hold their contract as an unbreakable bond, they won't dishonor the spirt of the contract.
NOW. Finally we have two more bits that can be applied to each class. And that is Type:
Regulars These mercs have their current contract as the only guide for who or what they are fighting this moment. 95% of mercs fall into this class.
House House Mercs are mercs that live in your space, some even have their own stations. For this they agree not to fight against you.
NOTE: There isn't ANYTHING wrong with being House mercs, being able to have a 'home' and build/rebuild there makes a merc force incrediably flexable and increases it's ablilty to grow.
Some mercs want to be able to go anywhere, at anytime and do anything, others realize that having a stable base can be worth losing some of that ability in exchange for higher strength.
If you were a merc force and were offered a homeland to make it so you can build super caps, who here would turn it down?
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Murukan
Minmatar
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.05.07 14:02:00 -
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The MC is not nuetral, they have never even tried to pretend that they are (well very well atleast). So dunno why you trolls need to keep questioning their nuetrality when everyone already knows the answer. No you will not be able to get the MC to attack BoB unless you have some ungodly amount of isk that would be better spent elsewhere. All the MC is, is a successful alliance that has conned people into giving them isk to go pvp.
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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