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Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:04:00 - [61] Originally by: Victor Vision Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr People also tend to have selective memories in times of need, so I'm not too worried about our business after this huge polarizing conflict has died down. Who would want to hire MC - if not BoB or allies? Might just as well ask BoB directly to help instead of ringing up you guys. And there is quite a few people I know who do not want BoB around in their space. Also some people do have a good long term memory. For them MC will never be a viable business choice again. And there we have it.
Chewan Mesa coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:22:00 - [62] Originally by: Victor Vision I would not accept MC services even if they were for free. I do not think they can be trusted. Well let's hope your alliance never has the need...oh wait.
Demitri Klashnikov Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:25:00 - [63] To be honest, who cares?? Well actually it seems quite a few people do, but it really makes me think if these people spent more time thinking about how to run their own units, they wouldn't have to worry about how we run ours. I have experience working for, with and against most of the 'big boys', and although I may be coloured by my tags, I have never worked with for or against another entity as well bonded, goal orientated and organised as the 'mighty' MC. Good try OP, but the numbers don't add up. -----------------------------------------------
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:26:00 - [64] You know what the problem is with MC... and it's a problem most will agree on... they're good, and at the end of the day, if you need what only they can deliver, you'll hire em.
Prophet Malcalypse3 Amarr Her Golden Apple Corps	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:31:00 - [65] tbh, half the people in this thread are idiots. I see people saying "Mc are not real true mercs ect" "mc are not neutral and thus not mercs ect ect" Im a merc, irl. do the research on modern mercenary organizations before blathering this drivvel. You will find the similarities poignent
Crovan Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:31:00 - [66] Ham sammich and a backrub tbh Originally by: Major Stormer Quote: What should the MC do? Make things explode.
Voltron Caldari STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:33:00 - [67] If there is still such a thing as mercenaries for hire in this game, the MC definately do not fit the bill anymore. Volt It's great touching your own dink isn't it? You're looking at the worlds next *****CatDoll!
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:37:00 - [68] Originally by: Voltron If there is still such a thing as mercenaries for hire in this game, the MC definately do not fit the bill anymore. Volt Get a dictionary... cause MC definetly fit the bill... it's just that you can't pay it... ( good pun )
MIGHTYDWC Gallente Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:43:00 - [69] ZOMFG!!!!!! I'm posting in a thread about ME!!!!1111oneeleven111 Oh.. Wait...
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:58:00 - [70] Seems to me like some of the Sparta guys and a few others have done a fine job of answering this one but my crew want me to say a few words as wellà This subject has come up on a couple other forums and been subjected to quite a bit of (actually) intelligent debate. It never ceases to amaze me the number of people who claim to have contacted me offering all manner of amazing sums of isk to declare war on [insert random entity]. By far, the best myth I hear is the one where Cyvok offered the MC 40 - 100 billion ISK to help ASCN against BoB. Anyone who believes that one really has no clue about the mindset of both the ASCN HC and BoB leaders at the time. As to the current conflict, prior to the 25th of January this year, I don't think D2 and MC had exchanged more than a couple accidental kill mails. The same goes for most of the "north". There was no prior real hostility and they certainly had the 'collateral' to make an offer which might have made this war a bit more unpredictable, thatÆs for damn sure. More than one conversation was had inside the MC with regard to, "What happens when we get an offer worth the effort?" While it's understandable (and been made clear in other posts) why no such offer was eventually made, it does not change the fact that the door was always open to it and that weÆve been surprised before. No matter how much people protest to the opposite, I know of at least one group who believed it was a very real possibility - our current employer. BoB is not stupid. Anyone who has seen the MCÆs logistics in action first hand knows very well that our entire alliance can relocate to any point on the map within a week. One enemy once said that they are more afraid when they see a fleet of MC freighters in the area than our actual combat ships. Taking that into account, and considering the vast monetary and territorial resources available at the beginning of this year to the various players in this war, is it really that much of a stretch to believe that the MC would not seriously consider an offer to topple ôThe Big Badö? Obviously, some people in EVE simply refuse to believe in mercs on any level. ThatÆs fine. However, IÆd urge them to expand their thinking beyond mere "ISK" or politics. Then they might begin to understand why they don't understand people like Eddz, Marko, Verone or me. Happy forum whoring. o/ - Vid - 'P-2 Defense'
Crovan Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:03:00 - [71] Dammit, Sel! I bet I was SO close to that backrub and sammich! Originally by: Major Stormer Quote: What should the MC do? Make things explode.
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:04:00 - [72] Originally by: Crovan Dammit, Sel! I bet I was SO close to that backrub and sammich! Have to be a good sandwich though...
Crovan Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:07:00 - [73] Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Crovan Dammit, Sel! I bet I was SO close to that backrub and sammich! Have to be a good sandwich though... It has to be a "true" ham sandwich. Everyone knows ham that isn't fresh from the deli is a slave to Oscar Meyer and will never work for the betterment of your lunch, but always for the secret Oscar Meyer devs. I would not sell our services for anything but "true" ham sammiches. Originally by: Major Stormer Quote: What should the MC do? Make things explode.
SamuraiJack Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:08:00 - [74] Originally by: Aeleva If someone would find seleens topic covering this. The gist was a few people almost contracted them against bob but one group pulled out and the other didnt have a good plan. He also said that when MC decided to sort out a place in 0.0 to live that BOB were the only one of the large alliances they approached that were able to work out a good deal, and are also the only one of those alliances left alive. I think the deal was a long the lines of MC live in bob space and in return will do x ammount of work for BOB. Though thats really just a rough estimate. Anyway seleene did a large post on all of this, i just cba to search MC were offered practically the same deal from ASCN as BoB offered them. MC refused and then took BoB's offer a few weeks later. Take that as you will. SJ. CLS Co-CEO and Standings Director =-
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:10:00 - [75] could I raise you my latest favourite - Fresh chicken, hot from the over, with freshly cooked bloomer bread some homemade red pepper mayonaise which has been left for 24 hours to collect flavour and rocket to freshen it all. Just let the butter and juices from chicken mix for about a minute before eating.
John Rackham Princeps Corp YouWhat	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:10:00 - [76] Originally by: Murukan All the MC is, is a successful alliance that has conned people into giving them isk to go pvp. You are the winner of the day. The maze was so small that people got lost looking for it.
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:11:00 - [77] Originally by: SamuraiJack MC were offered practically the same deal from ASCN as BoB offered them. MC refused and then took BoB's offer a few weeks later. Take that as you will. Proof or STFU Myn MC - We overkill so you don't have to.
Frygok Minmatar Mean Anglo-Danes	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:16:00 - [78] Originally by: Crovan Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Crovan Dammit, Sel! I bet I was SO close to that backrub and sammich! Have to be a good sandwich though... It has to be a "true" ham sandwich. Everyone knows ham that isn't fresh from the deli is a slave to Oscar Meyer and will never work for the betterment of your lunch, but always for the secret Oscar Meyer devs. I would not sell our services for anything but "true" ham sammiches. Just out of curiosity, and with no intention of flaming, aren't you doing the exact same thing as you fellow alliance mates are tired of, when you are stating that anyone thinking -A- and RA are two different entities are fools, as you did(correct me if I am wrong) in the top 3 military power in EVE? Just seems a bit odd to state that they are the same and people are fools to think otherwise, only to see how many MC people in this thread are tired of getting the BOB-label on them.
SamuraiJack Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:18:00 - [79] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Proof or STFU That will be 500mil isk for abuse of my phrase. Thank you. SJ. CLS Co-CEO and Standings Director =-
Cabadrin Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:25:00 - [80] Originally by: Sivona could I raise you my latest favourite - Fresh chicken, hot from the over, with freshly cooked bloomer bread some homemade red pepper mayonaise which has been left for 24 hours to collect flavour and rocket to freshen it all. Just let the butter and juices from chicken mix for about a minute before eating. I really like making some flank steak for dinner, then taking the leftovers, slicing them thin, then having toast with butter on either sides. Mmm mmm good! You can also add some lettuce for a crunch. _______________________________________________
Crovan Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:28:00 - [81] Originally by: Frygok Originally by: Crovan Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Crovan Dammit, Sel! I bet I was SO close to that backrub and sammich! Have to be a good sandwich though... It has to be a "true" ham sandwich. Everyone knows ham that isn't fresh from the deli is a slave to Oscar Meyer and will never work for the betterment of your lunch, but always for the secret Oscar Meyer devs. I would not sell our services for anything but "true" ham sammiches. Just out of curiosity, and with no intention of flaming, aren't you doing the exact same thing as you fellow alliance mates are tired of, when you are stating that anyone thinking -A- and RA are two different entities are fools, as you did(correct me if I am wrong) in the top 3 military power in EVE? Just seems a bit odd to state that they are the same and people are fools to think otherwise, only to see how many MC people in this thread are tired of getting the BOB-label on them. Is there a reason that you're bringing this here? Also, "with no intention of flaming" is a lot like opening with "No offense, but..." People generally do mean some level of offense, or at least recognize that that is the most likely interpretation of their next words. To the actual question, not really. There are real-world geographic and language links (afaik) amongst the two alliances leaderships that set them apart from a lot of EVE, and if you buy what their own side has postulated, that makes the strongest sort of bond. The business arrangement between BoB and MC is so un-nuanced (if that's a word) and straight-forward that it would boggle the mind. It's also a great deal less restrictive than your average EVE-O reader would ever believe, but I digress. Back to the topic and to the OP's question. If you are talking about a hypothetical future contract, then Waagaa's response does you well. If you mean right now, then I'm afraid I have to tell you that we won't drop a contract in progress. It's the best policy, since if you were to employ us later on, you'd want the same guarantee. I couldn't even take a contract for a thinly-sliced roast prime rib sandwich with mushrooms sauteed in garlic and butter served on sourdough toast with slightly melted provolone. Originally by: Major Stormer Quote: What should the MC do? Make things explode.
Wladomir Jed Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:47:00 - [82] I must say a big sandwich with some meatballs, r÷dbetsallad (wtf that could be in english :p)might even add something green ontop of it to make the doctor happy
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:49:00 - [83] Who cares if they are independent or not? They are mercs, they can pick contracts as they see fit. If PvP is a business model, they have a sound one. There is certainly no harm in them weighing up contract offers and saying 'well, this will deliver the greater income with more achievable goals'. If the story about the ASCN and BoB contract offers are true, then who can blame them for choosing the BoB contract? They have a good business relationship with BoB, they're not about to throw that away for some tin-pot plan with very little chance of success. Where MC can prove really valuable is in breaking deadlocks. When you need some shock troops to tip the balance in your favour, they are second-to-none. And I think they enjoy those kind of 'get in, make big impact, get out' type of contracts. ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:57:00 - [84] Ever heard of an Irish Chili Dog? You take a large bun, cut it open and lay it open face on a plate. Take a sausage or hot dog, slice it flat and cover the bun. Cover that with french fries until its about 4 inches high. Smother that entire thing in chili, bacon pieces, and melted cheese. Enjoy it for 20 minutes until your heart stops. One of the greatest inventions ever.
Jotan Veer HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:01:00 - [85] Originally by: Wylker Ever heard of an Irish Chili Dog? You take a large bun, cut it open and lay it open face on a plate. Take a sausage or hot dog, slice it flat and cover the bun. Cover that with french fries until its about 4 inches high. Smother that entire thing in chili, bacon pieces, and melted cheese. Enjoy it for 20 minutes until your heart stops. One of the greatest inventions ever. That's one of those things that you enjoy three times. Once when you eat it, once when you fill the blank and once when you step into it.
MuthaTrucka Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:01:00 - [86] Sorry Jack I have to correct you on this one...... ASCN never offered anything kind of Home contract to MC Seleene was Shopping for a home, ASCN discussed it and decided, wrongly or rightly, that it wasn't in our best interest. And that little pointy bit of history may or may not have been one of those moments you go back and re discuss for posterity's sake. --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
Draekas Darkwater Sanctum Infinitas	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:02:00 - [87] If I had to guess, maybe if someone had offered MC a hunk of pre-owned space for MC to move to, that was a significant upgrade to where they base out of BoB space. On top of that maybe some payment of ISK or some cap ships every month, then maybe they would have considered it. That's how I saw it as a neutral observer back then.
Ugluuk Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:24:00 - [88] Edited by: Ugluuk on 07/05/2007 16:22:07 I got the answer that solves it all.. They dont war dec Bob because they dont have to.. What do they have to win on it? Respect? Who needs respect when the guns do the talking and easier jobs that pays well is available all year.. Even tho i dont like MC i got to admit that they do good choices when taking contracts.. Which is also the reason they get hired all the time.. http://privateer.griefwatch.net/?p=pilot&pilot=Ugluuk
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:30:00 - [89] Hiring the MC is actually fairly easy. I think there's even a link to request a quote on their forums? Well, there was last time I was looking. The quote varies a lot, depending on what you want them to do. Getting Seleene to do a flyby in th e Nyx is fairly cheap (he does love to show his thing), where getting a whole pile of dreads to do the 'POS STOMP' for a few weeks is considerably more. Oh, the target is a factor as well, since the MC are not stupid enough to cut off their noses to spite their face. As is what they're currently doing. If they're getting bored of mining titans, then it might be cheaper to hire 'em to pewpew. shrug kudos to the MC. PvP is fun, and getting people to give you isks to do so is so much the better.
DeltaH NOBODY Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:37:00 - [90] I don't think ISK or stations or space alone would make MC abandon their current arrangement. Stability is key to running a business, and MC is a business. BoB has proven to be the most stable entity in EVE over the past year or two. The other nice thing is that MC now has a good relationship with one of the richest alliances in the game. Not only is it a rich alliance, but a rich alliance that likes to spend ISK on PVP (D2/ASCN might be rich, but I think their motives are/were mostly to get richer, not spend it on combat). MC has been on contract for several months straight now and gets the funner of the two fronts. Not a bad gig.

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