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Slinktress Gallente legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 07:21:00 - [1] I still hold to the fact that MC is an independent mercinary alliance. MC have such an incredible history of turning tides in wars all over EVE. Their name has been respected and feared throughout their time in the universe. I don't believe they considered themselves the keepers of EVE, the point in the scale of justice, or recognized how vastly important they had become. Even now, they stand humble claiming "We are just doing our job." On behalf of The North, and my alliance, I tried to hire MC a mere few days before Seleene's big announcement. MC did not want to be caught up in this war of all wars and risk losing their honored reputation of independence. There really was only one option at the time outside of the Big War; The Privateers. For curiosity sake I asked how much they would charge to fight BOB, and the off the record answer was somewhere around 500 billion per week. I never got a price quote on Privateers before it was too late. So, now, that things have been rolling for a while. MC is starting their 4th month of working for BOB. How much to hire? Doesn't even have to be BOB, pick another BOB ally? Will anyone in EVE hire them if they become available? Is their contract a Life Contract? What happens if Sir Molle is right and we're all dead. Does MC retire then? I want to know, is this possible, or am I the only one left still believing they are still that Merc Coalition anyone could hire and win with? Grats to MC on your successful career. Have always had much respect and enjoyed your friendly members. Please invite me to the retirement party; I'll leave a forwarding address Cheers o/
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 07:27:00 - [2] Edited by: Necronomicon on 07/05/2007 07:23:30 1st in a smack MC thread ;) Seriously though, we all know the history, and this has been done to death. Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 07:28:00 - [3] Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 07/05/2007 07:24:28 It depends on the target really. A lot of payments are also not just ISK, there's a whole scala of alternative methods of payment. I heard on the grapevine that at times Seleene requests the services of the client for certain activities in the Nyx... After all this, I'm sure there will be alliances or corps that don't like their (new) neighbours and that need a hand etc. The merc business will never die out. All the tough talk now will look so marginal a few months after this all settles down and someone really needs a hand to get something done. I don't really fear for the future of our career path. Incoming coalition forum rabble in 3....2....1.... - -
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 07:37:00 - [4] Did not this subject get raised, milked, done to death and then squeezed dry around...erm..the middle of febuary? But oh well I suppose some people must habitually flog dead horses, although that is illegal in many civilised countries. F4T4L Recruitment
Slinktress Gallente legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 07:39:00 - [5] Edited by: Slinktress on 07/05/2007 07:36:15 Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 07/05/2007 07:24:28 After all this... Ummm, I'm SERIOUS... no smack intended, and I mean now or close to it. 3 months on one contract is a record for MC, right? Is there room to bargain? Would all of EVE donate to do such a thing I wonder. I do hope that retirement party is a way off.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.07 07:41:00 - [6] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 07/05/2007 07:24:28 It depends on the target really. A lot of payments are also not just ISK, there's a whole scala of alternative methods of payment. I heard on the grapevine that at times Seleene requests the services of the client for certain activities in the Nyx... After all this, I'm sure there will be alliances or corps that don't like their (new) neighbours and that need a hand etc. The merc business will never die out. All the tough talk now will look so marginal a few months after this all settles down and someone really needs a hand to get something done. I don't really fear for the future of our career path. Incoming coalition forum rabble in 3....2....1.... Maybe you will indeed still be employed after this even though your neutrality is shot to hell, but will you have fun? I can imagine it being fun the first time you drop 50 dreads and 5 MS on a smaller opponent and wipe him off the face of the map, but aren't you worried that soon there will be no opponent left of any caliber that will pose a challenge (except for BoB, who you won't fight). People will hire you for your capital ship fleet if anything, but is it fun to shoot POSses while your opponent just logs out since it becomes pointless to fight you when you bring 50 dreads and motherships? signature removed - please contact us to find out why (include the URL of your sig) - Jacques([email protected])
Lunas Feelgood Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 07:51:00 - [7] Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 07/05/2007 07:47:36 Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 07/05/2007 07:24:28 It depends on the target really. A lot of payments are also not just ISK, there's a whole scala of alternative methods of payment. I heard on the grapevine that at times Seleene requests the services of the client for certain activities in the Nyx... After all this, I'm sure there will be alliances or corps that don't like their (new) neighbours and that need a hand etc. The merc business will never die out. All the tough talk now will look so marginal a few months after this all settles down and someone really needs a hand to get something done. I don't really fear for the future of our career path. Incoming coalition forum rabble in 3....2....1.... Does sexual fevors count as alternative methods of payment?, becuase if so im preatty sure uggs would give you a call Originally by: Shamis Orzoz When the going gets tough...the tough join Bob. Originally by: Shin Ra Didn't u get the memo? Bending over is the new honorable thing to do!
Jonathan Peterbilt Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.05.07 07:53:00 - [8] Dont you think all this should be confidental and if you are really seriuos about hiring MC you should talk to them in private? Nah, all you really want is to bash them on the forums with the rest of the cryalition....
Montaire Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 07:59:00 - [9] You cant just "Hire" the MC. You need a plan. Too many people want to use MC as police, or try and get MC to save them when they are in trouble. MC are NOT regulars. They are elite shock troops and need to be used accordingly. They cant (or wont) patrol your space, kill the people ganking your mining barges or stop some Privateers from killing you in empire. You should have a plan as to what you need MC to accomplish, how you are going to help them (Logistics? CynoNets? Support Fleet?) and how they can help you. How are they interfacing with your fleet command ? Where are they basing out of, do they needs POS's ? Literally a hundred questions. Having said that, its more isk for each MC corp you want to have involved and various other factors. If someone in "The North" wanted to hire MC it would be a rough sell. I belive 500 bil per week if all you said is "Attack BOB". Start with somthing like this : I need you to help me attack BOB. We need to have them withdraw troops from LOCATION X and ease our supply lines. To this end I need MC to attack 3 keys systems X, Y and Z. These are station systems with X towers of so-and-so race, they are fitted like this. You do not have to take the stations but I will pay X amount extra if you do. In addition I want X MC corp to do empire ops only, focusing on known empire supply base X and Y. We anticipate this taking three months, and we will agree to commit X forces to fight. While you are attacking X, Y and Z our forces will attack A, B and C. We will do this on this day, at about this time. Start with somthing like that, flesh it out, pool your isk and go from there. Anything less and your not going anywhere.
Minigin Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 08:01:00 - [10] quaffe anyone? Your signature <----- My awsome Sig Real men PVP on the Forums.

deathforge The Accursed	Posted - 2007.05.07 08:03:00 - [11] Originally by: Slinktress Would all of EVE donate to do such a thing I wonder. I think the better question to ponder is does all of eve share your views? I don't, and fortunately not all of eve has lost their damn minds (completely) and I am not alone in this. I think the North is a bunch of whiny saucebags and sore losers, and seeing your failtrain get exploded by the axis of evil and subsequent 'boo hoo poor us lag and dev haxes' posts day in and day out just gets me all hot and bothered And by the way, I rule you. ---------------------- Jerk + Determination = Rifter of DoomÖ
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 1 Shot 1 Kill	Posted - 2007.05.07 08:09:00 - [12] Now hey, if everyone except the bob guys shelf in a few pennies we can do it! This sig is confirmed ISD-Proof«
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.05.07 08:25:00 - [13] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr The merc business will never die out... Come on Waagaa, you know yourself quite well that MC isn't an independed mercenary organisation any more. Why not admit it? If you would just consider a contract against BoB, how long do you think will your outposts there last? MC did excellent in gaining those outposts in BoB territory, but doing so they gave up independency. One can argue if that was a clever move or not. But the fact remains that in terms of freedom, independecy and choice it was a large step backwards. In terms of power and access to supercapitals it was a huge step forwards. But please stop playing this 'mercenary for hire' card. You are NOT for hire against BoB, not for any reasonable sum. And not at all for the same money/items which BoB pays you currently. So you do care about sides, you do give some clients very favourable prices while you give other clients very bad prices. How can you call that being independent? If I ask a really independent mercenary, he will tell me the price and then is doing his business. And it is the same price regardless my name, regardless if I am a BoB, D2, Goons or just a little 10-man corp. You have so much more to lose if you go against BoB, you naturally do not fight against them at the same terms you fight against BoB-enemies.
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 08:41:00 - [14] I don't think I ever used the word independent in my post. I said that there will always be someone that needs some extra guns. This is why the merc business will never die out. People also tend to have selective memories in times of need, so I'm not too worried about our business after this huge polarizing conflict has died down. We have been hired by people that were on the other side of our guns many times over. I think you all underestimate human hypocrisy. :) The thought that mercs need to be one hundred percent independent / neutral / etc to be able to do their work is slightly naive. - -
Kaleeb S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.	Posted - 2007.05.07 08:52:00 - [15] I hear you can hire Eleese for a dirty weekend for 3x bottles of quafe and some nerve sticks
Necro EvilZombie North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.07 08:53:00 - [16] Edited by: Necro EvilZombie on 07/05/2007 08:49:40 Originally by: Slinktress Even now, they stand humble claiming "We are just doing our job." you know who else was "just doing their job" ? THE NA ZIS! j/k clerks reference
kaike Minmatar Darklite inc Darklite Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:05:00 - [17] Originally by: Necro EvilZombie Edited by: Necro EvilZombie on 07/05/2007 08:49:40 Originally by: Slinktress Even now, they stand humble claiming "We are just doing our job." you know who else was "just doing their job" ? THE NA ZIS! j/k clerks reference Why ppl always take rl matters into non rl matters Like said in a few posts ,even MC says there for rent,i doubt any1 could pay the assets/isk ect to get them agianst BoB ...altho if the whole Northern Alliance's would ask it inc the resident's i could be done i guess
Necro EvilZombie North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:07:00 - [18] shut up and go watch Clerks then maybe you will get the joke.
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:09:00 - [19] Originally by: Necro EvilZombie shut up and go watch Clerks then maybe you will get the joke. You sir, are not funny. Blog at: The Jammy Blog
Karunel Princeps Corp YouWhat	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:12:00 - [20] Quote: shut up and go watch Clerks then maybe you will get the joke. Shut up- period. ____ Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.

doctorstupid2 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Necro EvilZombie shut up and go watch Clerks then maybe you will get the joke. I've seen it, many times, I got the reference. And to be perfectly honest, I laughed my ass off
Necro EvilZombie North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:16:00 - [22] god this forum fu ckin sucks
doctorstupid2 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:22:00 - [23] Originally by: Necro EvilZombie god this forum fu ckin sucks I thought it was funny. Let's be friends. Come show me your coolest, most expensive ship please
Necro EvilZombie North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:26:00 - [24] Edited by: Necro EvilZombie on 07/05/2007 09:23:16 Originally by: doctorstupid2 Originally by: Necro EvilZombie god this forum fu ckin sucks I thought it was funny. Let's be friends. Come show me your coolest, most expensive ship please all i got is a nighthawk or a cerb i give you bonus points for Biggie in your sig though
Marquis Dean Energy.	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:36:00 - [25] Who is Na Zis? Sounds like some rapper from New Zealand.
Jean Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:39:00 - [26] Originally by: Montaire You cant just "Hire" the MC. You need a plan. Too many people want to use MC as police, or try and get MC to save them when they are in trouble. MC are NOT regulars. They are elite shock troops and need to be used accordingly. They cant (or wont) patrol your space, kill the people ganking your mining barges or stop some Privateers from killing you in empire. You should have a plan as to what you need MC to accomplish, how you are going to help them (Logistics? CynoNets? Support Fleet?) and how they can help you. How are they interfacing with your fleet command ? Where are they basing out of, do they needs POS's ? Literally a hundred questions. Having said that, its more isk for each MC corp you want to have involved and various other factors. If someone in "The North" wanted to hire MC it would be a rough sell. I belive 500 bil per week if all you said is "Attack BOB". Start with somthing like this : I need you to help me attack BOB. We need to have them withdraw troops from LOCATION X and ease our supply lines. To this end I need MC to attack 3 keys systems X, Y and Z. These are station systems with X towers of so-and-so race, they are fitted like this. You do not have to take the stations but I will pay X amount extra if you do. In addition I want X MC corp to do empire ops only, focusing on known empire supply base X and Y. We anticipate this taking three months, and we will agree to commit X forces to fight. While you are attacking X, Y and Z our forces will attack A, B and C. We will do this on this day, at about this time. Start with somthing like that, flesh it out, pool your isk and go from there. Anything less and your not going anywhere. afaic this post wins the day... informative, constructive, on-topic... kudos to you sir.
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:44:00 - [27] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr People also tend to have selective memories in times of need, so I'm not too worried about our business after this huge polarizing conflict has died down. Who would want to hire MC - if not BoB or allies? Might just as well ask BoB directly to help instead of ringing up you guys. And there is quite a few people I know who do not want BoB around in their space. Also some people do have a good long term memory. For them MC will never be a viable business choice again. EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
Rasterman Ganja GanjaCorp Security Services	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:44:00 - [28] If you have to ask, you can't afford them... ...and if you're not BoB, you have to ask. Get the picture?
Trinity Faetal 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:48:00 - [29] Someday - and that day may never come - I'll call upon you to do a service for me. -- What goes around, goes around, goes around, Comes all the way back around.
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:56:00 - [30] If you have a good customer, one who never needs reminding of outstanding bills, never questions you, helps rather than hinders your operations, would you turn on them on a whim? No, you would not. We have several clients who have emplyed us in the past on multiple occassions; and it is natural that a business relationship builds, one that becomes more and more beneficial to each party. With that in mind, if another party came to us and asked us to turn on that entity, we would have to think long and hard about the many possible outcomes from our actions. And if the risk was not worth the reward, then the contract would be turned down. This is not bias, it is business. You want to coax the MC away from working for (or even attacking) BoB, then you need to replace BoB as the MC's best customer, and THAT is a tall order for any other entity in Eve at this time. Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.

doctorstupid2 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:59:00 - [31] Originally by: Necro EvilZombie i give you bonus points for Biggie in your sig though SOMEONE GOT THE REFERENCE \o/ I honestly wonder how many people get it
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.05.07 10:04:00 - [32] Originally by: Necronomicon If you have a good customer, one who never needs reminding of outstanding bills, never questions you, helps rather than hinders your operations, would you turn on them on a whim? No, you would not. We have several clients who have emplyed us in the past on multiple occassions; and it is natural that a business relationship builds, one that becomes more and more beneficial to each party. With that in mind, if another party came to us and asked us to turn on that entity, we would have to think long and hard about the many possible outcomes from our actions. And if the risk was not worth the reward, then the contract would be turned down. This is not bias, it is business. You want to coax the MC away from working for (or even attacking) BoB, then you need to replace BoB as the MC's best customer, and THAT is a tall order for any other entity in Eve at this time. Your reasoning would make sense, if MC were not equal to BoB. I have strong doubts MC are even slightly independant. As far as I know Seleene and BoB leadership are buddies. Any money paid to the MC is money indirectly given to BoB, since BoB and MC work together. It just does not make sense to hire them or accept their serices if you are not on BoBs side. EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
SumDum AirHawk Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 10:08:00 - [33] Originally by: Slinktress For curiosity sake I asked how much they would charge to fight BOB, and the off the record answer was somewhere around 500 billion per week. I never got a price quote on Privateers before it was too late. You just put them on-the-record btw. :P As for the price, Slinkie you could try giving them the hard sell. Complete certain movie moment reenactment and the voodoo that you do so well. Never know, maybe they knock a couple benjamin's off the top for just you. Hell they might even surrender. Keep up the good fight. AHE wants YOU!
Khatred Fluffy Mungoose Guinea Pigs	Posted - 2007.05.07 10:12:00 - [34] I would hire MC. But apparently some D2 are already calling some of my alliance mates "Bob alts"
Aeleva Caldari Hegemonic Core Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.05.07 10:21:00 - [35] If someone would find seleens topic covering this. The gist was a few people almost contracted them against bob but one group pulled out and the other didnt have a good plan. He also said that when MC decided to sort out a place in 0.0 to live that BOB were the only one of the large alliances they approached that were able to work out a good deal, and are also the only one of those alliances left alive. I think the deal was a long the lines of MC live in bob space and in return will do x ammount of work for BOB. Though thats really just a rough estimate. Anyway seleene did a large post on all of this, i just cba to search
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 10:25:00 - [36] You'll find it here along with the related tinfoil-hattery and flamage. Blog at: The Jammy Blog
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.07 10:35:00 - [37] Edited by: welsh wizard on 07/05/2007 10:34:57 This discussion has become irrelevant. It is patently obvious to me that they will never fight BoB. 'Why?' is of no consequence, the only answers these silly threads* seek to gain are admissions of guilt from the MC. That's not going to happen is it? So lets all just forget it. Believe what you want to believe. *Apologies to the op if you really want an honest answer, lol.
Pawnee	Posted - 2007.05.07 10:41:00 - [38] MC is the wrong name. The real name is Mercs of BOB Coalition. Only BOB or affilitates of BOB can hire them. MC themselves are just an affiliate of BOB as long as they think BOB is the strongest alliance in Eve and they joined the winner side. If an MC is talking about human hyprocrisy, they think about their own hyprocrisy in this game. It's true, many ppl are hypocrites, but it is wrong, you'd not have to be in Eve a hypocrite. It is just a game and wouldn't cost you anything real to be NOT a hypocrite.
Eleese Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 10:45:00 - [39] You can see where this thread is going by the title... "mighty Mc" its quite clearly flame bait without even reading the rest of it.
Tassi Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.07 10:49:00 - [40] could someone of MC get c0rn1 to answer my eve-mails plz? Spank him abit aswell if needed, he likes that of course they will not fight bob. they will also not fight someone that is under bob protection.

Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 10:50:00 - [41] Originally by: Pawnee MC is the wrong name. The real name is Mercs of BOB Coalition. Only BOB or affilitates of BOB can hire them. MC themselves are just an affiliate of BOB as long as they think BOB is the strongest alliance in Eve and they joined the winner side. If an MC is talking about human hyprocrisy, they think about their own hyprocrisy in this game. It's true, many ppl are hypocrites, but it is wrong, you'd not have to be in Eve a hypocrite. It is just a game and wouldn't cost you anything real to be NOT a hypocrite. OFC sweetheart - that's because you know everything there is to know about BoB and the MC. Right? How hypocritical can you be if you believe something you really know nothing about outside what's said on forums/whispers in the night/heard in a dream? Just wondering. Blog at: The Jammy Blog
Pawnee	Posted - 2007.05.07 10:52:00 - [42] ... if you know more, why don't you just say it instead of blowing so much hot air in this thread?
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 10:54:00 - [43] Originally by: Pawnee ... if you know more, why don't you just say it instead of blowing so much hot air in this thread? Now that's just plain trolling, sorry I made you look silly. Hugs? Blog at: The Jammy Blog
Pawnee	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:01:00 - [44] Edited by: Pawnee on 07/05/2007 11:06:17 Edited by: Pawnee on 07/05/2007 11:01:53 Edited by: Pawnee on 07/05/2007 11:00:54 Originally by: Grimster Originally by: Pawnee ... if you know more, why don't you just say it instead of blowing so much hot air in this thread? Now that's just plain trolling, sorry I made you look silly. Hugs? you started trolling against me before, I only trolled against MC, but some MCs already trolled in this thread before me! Mind this, and come down from your selective perception. So when do you change your name in Mercs of BOB coaliton? (...or are you not sure enough, whether the BOB plan will work?)
Felxia CrossFire Collective	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:18:00 - [45] MC will never be true mercs. Their choice is not dumb though to have made a deal with BoB. And don't go saying "they will if the price is right". There is way more to the game than that. Respect, friendship etc.. Even if you had like 500 billion or whatever is needed they won't fold. IF MC were only not allowed ot take up contracts against BoB. I'd say they are mercs. However they cannot fight allies of BoB aka Meatshields/Buffers/Pets/Bobbits which nearly halfs out all of 0.0. Either make sure the target is non-BoBit (in that case hire them) or get yourself another merc unit. Burn Eden (if the price is right I've heard), KIA etc. If your going to smack back at be prepared to post some hard facts instead of running your mouth off because I will smack back. Grrr don't have a sig.
Felxia CrossFire Collective	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:22:00 - [46] Originally by: Grimster Originally by: Pawnee MC is the wrong name. The real name is Mercs of BOB Coalition. Only BOB or affilitates of BOB can hire them. MC themselves are just an affiliate of BOB as long as they think BOB is the strongest alliance in Eve and they joined the winner side. If an MC is talking about human hyprocrisy, they think about their own hyprocrisy in this game. It's true, many ppl are hypocrites, but it is wrong, you'd not have to be in Eve a hypocrite. It is just a game and wouldn't cost you anything real to be NOT a hypocrite. OFC sweetheart - that's because you know everything there is to know about BoB and the MC. Right? How hypocritical can you be if you believe something you really know nothing about outside what's said on forums/whispers in the night/heard in a dream? Just wondering. Your response is pathetic and has no backbone to it. You are jsut smacking because you know hes right and you have nothing to shoot back at him. And if it is diffrent, post away. I and I'm pretty sure the rest of the people here are dieing to hear... Grrr don't have a sig.
Ben Derindar Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:34:00 - [47] You know, I was going through my vids collection the other night and watched the History of the MC one again. In it, it describes at one point how they took a contract vs the [5], and how it laid to rest much speculation about how MC and [5] were supposedly in cahoots. Of course, I also remember at around the same time the speculation surrounding the close relationship between BoB and [5]. Together they made BOOBIE5, remember? Fast forward to today, and look where the majority of [5] pilots now. Hell, it's even been said that ATUK were always considered members of both alliances from the beginning, anyway. So in a roundabout way, MC have fought BoB, or elements of them at least anyway. shrug /Ben How to fix Eve
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:40:00 - [48] Originally by: Felxia Originally by: Grimster Originally by: Pawnee MC is the wrong name. The real name is Mercs of BOB Coalition. Only BOB or affilitates of BOB can hire them. MC themselves are just an affiliate of BOB as long as they think BOB is the strongest alliance in Eve and they joined the winner side. If an MC is talking about human hyprocrisy, they think about their own hyprocrisy in this game. It's true, many ppl are hypocrites, but it is wrong, you'd not have to be in Eve a hypocrite. It is just a game and wouldn't cost you anything real to be NOT a hypocrite. OFC sweetheart - that's because you know everything there is to know about BoB and the MC. Right? How hypocritical can you be if you believe something you really know nothing about outside what's said on forums/whispers in the night/heard in a dream? Just wondering. Your response is pathetic and has no backbone to it. You are jsut smacking because you know hes right and you have nothing to shoot back at him. And if it is diffrent, post away. I and I'm pretty sure the rest of the people here are dieing to hear... Huh? How can pointing out that someone obviously doesn't know anything about a given entity beyond speculation be pathetic and have no backbone? Because it's true? Bottom line is 99.9% of what's said in this place is purely that - speculation. For example, I know nothing about IAC beyond once shooting at them, To then speculate that the reason Foo and company left was because of a lovers tiff between him and Tyrrax as they couldn't decide what colour the bedclothes should be is just as ludicrous as posting hypocritically about how we are indeed BoB alts and would never shoot anything with a "bob pet" forum tag. Do the MC (or any other in-game-entity) owe you an explaination about the inns and outs of how we choose to play the game? I don't think so. Why do you care? Blog at: The Jammy Blog
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:49:00 - [49] No such thing as bad publicity :)

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GoGo Yubari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 12:30:00 - [51] Originally by: Ben Derindar So in a roundabout way, MC have fought BoB, or elements of them at least anyway. shrug I think we've pretty much shot everyone and their brother in the face. So, frankly, it's kind of a miracle anyone wants to hire us anymore. However, this is a game, people get sudden urges to conquer their neighbor's territory, and that's where we come in.
Kieranda Weyland-Yutani Future Technologies Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.07 12:31:00 - [52] Edited by: Kieranda on 07/05/2007 12:27:52 Originally by: Felxia MC will never be true mercs. Their choice is not dumb though to have made a deal with BoB. And don't go saying "they will if the price is right". There is way more to the game than that. Respect, friendship etc.. Even if you had like 500 billion or whatever is needed they won't fold. IF MC were only not allowed ot take up contracts against BoB. I'd say they are mercs. However they cannot fight allies of BoB aka Meatshields/Buffers/Pets/Bobbits which nearly halfs out all of 0.0. Either make sure the target is non-BoBit (in that case hire them) or get yourself another merc unit. Burn Eden (if the price is right I've heard), KIA etc. If your going to smack back at be prepared to post some hard facts instead of running your mouth off because I will smack back. unfortunately the USA and a few others didn't sign the Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions 1977 (APGC77) that describes in Art.47,2 what a "true" mercenary is so there is no definitve international description of a mercenary, but comparing what MC does here to what mercenaries did throughout history for the past 2000 years and take that as a base definition, they are very well within any definition of what a "true" mercenary is
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.05.07 12:38:00 - [53] There is nothing "mighty" about MC, all they did is to build a capital fleet under wings of BOB. For that reason, they owe everything to BOB, and will never attack BOB no matter what... This thread is b.u.l.l.s.h.i.t like the rest of "How much would MC want to attack BOB?" threads.
ED 209 Old Detroit Crime Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.07 12:41:00 - [54] another cryalition thread \0/
Haks'he Lirky Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.05.07 13:04:00 - [55] Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 07/05/2007 13:13:42 Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 07/05/2007 13:01:44 Originally by: Felxia MC will never be true mercs. Their choice is not dumb though to have made a deal with BoB. And don't go saying "they will if the price is right". There is way more to the game than that. Respect, friendship etc.. Even if you had like 500 billion or whatever is needed they won't fold. IF MC were only not allowed ot take up contracts against BoB. I'd say they are mercs. However they cannot fight allies of BoB aka Meatshields/Buffers/Pets/Bobbits which nearly halfs out all of 0.0. Either make sure the target is non-BoBit (in that case hire them) or get yourself another merc unit. Burn Eden (if the price is right I've heard), KIA etc. If your going to smack back at be prepared to post some hard facts instead of running your mouth off because I will smack back. There are many things that define a mercenary, being neutral or only working for one employer are not amongst those definitions. And if BoB is paying MC for what they are doing then they are true mercenaries. Gurkhas and Foreign Legionnaires for example are considered Mercenaries, yet each of them only works for one boss. Many real world mercenary (contractors) outfits work exclusively for the US government, or other western entities. EDIT: Sorry Gurkhas and the foreign legionnaires are indeed not considered mercs, sorry about that. So if in fact the term mercenary is being coined from something that we take for granted in reality then MC are pretty much what they say they are. Neutrality holds no defining hold over the term mercenary. I however find it odd that MC seems to claim that they have the ability to become neutral, I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens on that front.
Don Z0LA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.05.07 13:05:00 - [56] Originally by: ED 209 another cryalition thread \0/ another alt post \o/
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.05.07 13:24:00 - [57] Oh come on people, please...KAAA-BLAMMO!! [insert sound of falling brain pieces] -"HOLY ****! Wow! Did you see that, that guys head just exploded! WTF?!" -"Well, I think this topic and its 'logical' arguments came up one time to many. Damn it." /Lowa - think outside the box What if the truth was something else?
Goca KAOS. KA0S Theory	Posted - 2007.05.07 13:32:00 - [58] Black Water http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_USA ya think Iran could hire them? same deal here... I'm sure they debate alot about whether they should go fight one of the most powerful alliances in the game holding numerous stations and vast territory on contract for an alliance with around a billion in it's bank account and one station... I would think reality creeps in from time to time.. .\|..
Banlish Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 13:42:00 - [59] Oh for pete's sake. Lets bust this down to simple terms. But before I do, I want to say. My corp has been fighting MC since they first came up north and began slowly creeping into Fade and Dek. And I have to admit, after having litterally hundreds of fights against them (our killboard proves it) they showed themselves to be respectful, professional and smack free. We had some misconceptions about the MC before we began fighting them. Please note we were fighting them while in FLA not as part of Sparta However I've seen more then half a dozen messages from various MC members and even one from Storm Armada about 'good fight, much respect' the feeling is quite mutual. Now with that said. There isn't just ONE way to classify a merc. I believe there are: Class D These are the mercs that don't really know what thier doing, OR are pretending not to know what their doing to just get ISK. Fly around a bit, make some noise but generally just to get their clients ISK and put the fear into thier clients target by presenting more targets. These mercs would also consider the 'contract' to be 'flexable' arrangement. So if the other side offered them more ISK they would switch sides and go back and forth like this till the war was over and/or both sides hated them. Class C These are the mercs that have anywhere from 2 to 10 contracts under their belts, they know how the system basically works and their starting to come into their own. They might have one or two capitals but to risk these assets the owners other are rich and don't care and/or they get a client to pay through the nose for em. Their good if you can find em, but it takes combing the forums and for every 1 that's worth it, there are 2 that are bad and won't do anything. Class B These are the mercs that are really starting to make a name for themselves and have been working in certain sectors of EVE for months if not years Many people associated Outbreak with working in the north for instance However these mercs can take AND recieve a pounding without shattering. Mercs in this class can take almost horrendous losses in a battle and they still have good replacements stashed elsewhere and can come back, meaner and ready for payback. Class A These mercs are known by almost everyone, by name at the very least. Or by the fact that along some of their careers they've faced these mercs and know how good they are. (Example: I've only been in EVE for around 20 months but I've fought against Burn Eden, Outbreak, Veto, KIA and MC. Why? Because they take contracts almost anywhere and are willing to travel to setup a new offensive) On top of that, these kinds of mercs deploy all kinds of crazy gear that even some corps cannot deploy. Large groups of capitals, super capitals, full tech 2 fleets, etc. They can bring the fight, and some bring it 23/7 or until the contract lapses. They also hold their contract as an unbreakable bond, they won't dishonor the spirt of the contract. NOW. Finally we have two more bits that can be applied to each class. And that is Type: Regulars These mercs have their current contract as the only guide for who or what they are fighting this moment. 95% of mercs fall into this class. House House Mercs are mercs that live in your space, some even have their own stations. For this they agree not to fight against you. NOTE: There isn't ANYTHING wrong with being House mercs, being able to have a 'home' and build/rebuild there makes a merc force incrediably flexable and increases it's ablilty to grow. Some mercs want to be able to go anywhere, at anytime and do anything, others realize that having a stable base can be worth losing some of that ability in exchange for higher strength. If you were a merc force and were offered a homeland to make it so you can build super caps, who here would turn it down?
Murukan Minmatar Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:02:00 - [60] The MC is not nuetral, they have never even tried to pretend that they are (well very well atleast). So dunno why you trolls need to keep questioning their nuetrality when everyone already knows the answer. No you will not be able to get the MC to attack BoB unless you have some ungodly amount of isk that would be better spent elsewhere. All the MC is, is a successful alliance that has conned people into giving them isk to go pvp. Manlove by Zaphod Jones

Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:04:00 - [61] Originally by: Victor Vision Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr People also tend to have selective memories in times of need, so I'm not too worried about our business after this huge polarizing conflict has died down. Who would want to hire MC - if not BoB or allies? Might just as well ask BoB directly to help instead of ringing up you guys. And there is quite a few people I know who do not want BoB around in their space. Also some people do have a good long term memory. For them MC will never be a viable business choice again. And there we have it.
Chewan Mesa coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:22:00 - [62] Originally by: Victor Vision I would not accept MC services even if they were for free. I do not think they can be trusted. Well let's hope your alliance never has the need...oh wait.
Demitri Klashnikov Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:25:00 - [63] To be honest, who cares?? Well actually it seems quite a few people do, but it really makes me think if these people spent more time thinking about how to run their own units, they wouldn't have to worry about how we run ours. I have experience working for, with and against most of the 'big boys', and although I may be coloured by my tags, I have never worked with for or against another entity as well bonded, goal orientated and organised as the 'mighty' MC. Good try OP, but the numbers don't add up. -----------------------------------------------
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:26:00 - [64] You know what the problem is with MC... and it's a problem most will agree on... they're good, and at the end of the day, if you need what only they can deliver, you'll hire em.
Prophet Malcalypse3 Amarr Her Golden Apple Corps	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:31:00 - [65] tbh, half the people in this thread are idiots. I see people saying "Mc are not real true mercs ect" "mc are not neutral and thus not mercs ect ect" Im a merc, irl. do the research on modern mercenary organizations before blathering this drivvel. You will find the similarities poignent
Crovan Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:31:00 - [66] Ham sammich and a backrub tbh Originally by: Major Stormer Quote: What should the MC do? Make things explode.
Voltron Caldari STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:33:00 - [67] If there is still such a thing as mercenaries for hire in this game, the MC definately do not fit the bill anymore. Volt It's great touching your own dink isn't it? You're looking at the worlds next *****CatDoll!
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:37:00 - [68] Originally by: Voltron If there is still such a thing as mercenaries for hire in this game, the MC definately do not fit the bill anymore. Volt Get a dictionary... cause MC definetly fit the bill... it's just that you can't pay it... ( good pun )
MIGHTYDWC Gallente Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:43:00 - [69] ZOMFG!!!!!! I'm posting in a thread about ME!!!!1111oneeleven111 Oh.. Wait...
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:58:00 - [70] Seems to me like some of the Sparta guys and a few others have done a fine job of answering this one but my crew want me to say a few words as wellà This subject has come up on a couple other forums and been subjected to quite a bit of (actually) intelligent debate. It never ceases to amaze me the number of people who claim to have contacted me offering all manner of amazing sums of isk to declare war on [insert random entity]. By far, the best myth I hear is the one where Cyvok offered the MC 40 - 100 billion ISK to help ASCN against BoB. Anyone who believes that one really has no clue about the mindset of both the ASCN HC and BoB leaders at the time. As to the current conflict, prior to the 25th of January this year, I don't think D2 and MC had exchanged more than a couple accidental kill mails. The same goes for most of the "north". There was no prior real hostility and they certainly had the 'collateral' to make an offer which might have made this war a bit more unpredictable, thatÆs for damn sure. More than one conversation was had inside the MC with regard to, "What happens when we get an offer worth the effort?" While it's understandable (and been made clear in other posts) why no such offer was eventually made, it does not change the fact that the door was always open to it and that weÆve been surprised before. No matter how much people protest to the opposite, I know of at least one group who believed it was a very real possibility - our current employer. BoB is not stupid. Anyone who has seen the MCÆs logistics in action first hand knows very well that our entire alliance can relocate to any point on the map within a week. One enemy once said that they are more afraid when they see a fleet of MC freighters in the area than our actual combat ships. Taking that into account, and considering the vast monetary and territorial resources available at the beginning of this year to the various players in this war, is it really that much of a stretch to believe that the MC would not seriously consider an offer to topple ôThe Big Badö? Obviously, some people in EVE simply refuse to believe in mercs on any level. ThatÆs fine. However, IÆd urge them to expand their thinking beyond mere "ISK" or politics. Then they might begin to understand why they don't understand people like Eddz, Marko, Verone or me. Happy forum whoring. o/ - Vid - 'P-2 Defense'

Crovan Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:03:00 - [71] Dammit, Sel! I bet I was SO close to that backrub and sammich! Originally by: Major Stormer Quote: What should the MC do? Make things explode.
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:04:00 - [72] Originally by: Crovan Dammit, Sel! I bet I was SO close to that backrub and sammich! Have to be a good sandwich though...
Crovan Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:07:00 - [73] Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Crovan Dammit, Sel! I bet I was SO close to that backrub and sammich! Have to be a good sandwich though... It has to be a "true" ham sandwich. Everyone knows ham that isn't fresh from the deli is a slave to Oscar Meyer and will never work for the betterment of your lunch, but always for the secret Oscar Meyer devs. I would not sell our services for anything but "true" ham sammiches. Originally by: Major Stormer Quote: What should the MC do? Make things explode.
SamuraiJack Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:08:00 - [74] Originally by: Aeleva If someone would find seleens topic covering this. The gist was a few people almost contracted them against bob but one group pulled out and the other didnt have a good plan. He also said that when MC decided to sort out a place in 0.0 to live that BOB were the only one of the large alliances they approached that were able to work out a good deal, and are also the only one of those alliances left alive. I think the deal was a long the lines of MC live in bob space and in return will do x ammount of work for BOB. Though thats really just a rough estimate. Anyway seleene did a large post on all of this, i just cba to search MC were offered practically the same deal from ASCN as BoB offered them. MC refused and then took BoB's offer a few weeks later. Take that as you will. SJ. CLS Co-CEO and Standings Director =-
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:10:00 - [75] could I raise you my latest favourite - Fresh chicken, hot from the over, with freshly cooked bloomer bread some homemade red pepper mayonaise which has been left for 24 hours to collect flavour and rocket to freshen it all. Just let the butter and juices from chicken mix for about a minute before eating.
John Rackham Princeps Corp YouWhat	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:10:00 - [76] Originally by: Murukan All the MC is, is a successful alliance that has conned people into giving them isk to go pvp. You are the winner of the day. The maze was so small that people got lost looking for it.
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:11:00 - [77] Originally by: SamuraiJack MC were offered practically the same deal from ASCN as BoB offered them. MC refused and then took BoB's offer a few weeks later. Take that as you will. Proof or STFU Myn MC - We overkill so you don't have to.
Frygok Minmatar Mean Anglo-Danes	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:16:00 - [78] Originally by: Crovan Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Crovan Dammit, Sel! I bet I was SO close to that backrub and sammich! Have to be a good sandwich though... It has to be a "true" ham sandwich. Everyone knows ham that isn't fresh from the deli is a slave to Oscar Meyer and will never work for the betterment of your lunch, but always for the secret Oscar Meyer devs. I would not sell our services for anything but "true" ham sammiches. Just out of curiosity, and with no intention of flaming, aren't you doing the exact same thing as you fellow alliance mates are tired of, when you are stating that anyone thinking -A- and RA are two different entities are fools, as you did(correct me if I am wrong) in the top 3 military power in EVE? Just seems a bit odd to state that they are the same and people are fools to think otherwise, only to see how many MC people in this thread are tired of getting the BOB-label on them.
SamuraiJack Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:18:00 - [79] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Proof or STFU That will be 500mil isk for abuse of my phrase. Thank you. SJ. CLS Co-CEO and Standings Director =-
Cabadrin Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:25:00 - [80] Originally by: Sivona could I raise you my latest favourite - Fresh chicken, hot from the over, with freshly cooked bloomer bread some homemade red pepper mayonaise which has been left for 24 hours to collect flavour and rocket to freshen it all. Just let the butter and juices from chicken mix for about a minute before eating. I really like making some flank steak for dinner, then taking the leftovers, slicing them thin, then having toast with butter on either sides. Mmm mmm good! You can also add some lettuce for a crunch. _______________________________________________

Crovan Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:28:00 - [81] Originally by: Frygok Originally by: Crovan Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Crovan Dammit, Sel! I bet I was SO close to that backrub and sammich! Have to be a good sandwich though... It has to be a "true" ham sandwich. Everyone knows ham that isn't fresh from the deli is a slave to Oscar Meyer and will never work for the betterment of your lunch, but always for the secret Oscar Meyer devs. I would not sell our services for anything but "true" ham sammiches. Just out of curiosity, and with no intention of flaming, aren't you doing the exact same thing as you fellow alliance mates are tired of, when you are stating that anyone thinking -A- and RA are two different entities are fools, as you did(correct me if I am wrong) in the top 3 military power in EVE? Just seems a bit odd to state that they are the same and people are fools to think otherwise, only to see how many MC people in this thread are tired of getting the BOB-label on them. Is there a reason that you're bringing this here? Also, "with no intention of flaming" is a lot like opening with "No offense, but..." People generally do mean some level of offense, or at least recognize that that is the most likely interpretation of their next words. To the actual question, not really. There are real-world geographic and language links (afaik) amongst the two alliances leaderships that set them apart from a lot of EVE, and if you buy what their own side has postulated, that makes the strongest sort of bond. The business arrangement between BoB and MC is so un-nuanced (if that's a word) and straight-forward that it would boggle the mind. It's also a great deal less restrictive than your average EVE-O reader would ever believe, but I digress. Back to the topic and to the OP's question. If you are talking about a hypothetical future contract, then Waagaa's response does you well. If you mean right now, then I'm afraid I have to tell you that we won't drop a contract in progress. It's the best policy, since if you were to employ us later on, you'd want the same guarantee. I couldn't even take a contract for a thinly-sliced roast prime rib sandwich with mushrooms sauteed in garlic and butter served on sourdough toast with slightly melted provolone. Originally by: Major Stormer Quote: What should the MC do? Make things explode.
Wladomir Jed Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:47:00 - [82] I must say a big sandwich with some meatballs, r÷dbetsallad (wtf that could be in english :p)might even add something green ontop of it to make the doctor happy
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:49:00 - [83] Who cares if they are independent or not? They are mercs, they can pick contracts as they see fit. If PvP is a business model, they have a sound one. There is certainly no harm in them weighing up contract offers and saying 'well, this will deliver the greater income with more achievable goals'. If the story about the ASCN and BoB contract offers are true, then who can blame them for choosing the BoB contract? They have a good business relationship with BoB, they're not about to throw that away for some tin-pot plan with very little chance of success. Where MC can prove really valuable is in breaking deadlocks. When you need some shock troops to tip the balance in your favour, they are second-to-none. And I think they enjoy those kind of 'get in, make big impact, get out' type of contracts. ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:57:00 - [84] Ever heard of an Irish Chili Dog? You take a large bun, cut it open and lay it open face on a plate. Take a sausage or hot dog, slice it flat and cover the bun. Cover that with french fries until its about 4 inches high. Smother that entire thing in chili, bacon pieces, and melted cheese. Enjoy it for 20 minutes until your heart stops. One of the greatest inventions ever.
Jotan Veer HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:01:00 - [85] Originally by: Wylker Ever heard of an Irish Chili Dog? You take a large bun, cut it open and lay it open face on a plate. Take a sausage or hot dog, slice it flat and cover the bun. Cover that with french fries until its about 4 inches high. Smother that entire thing in chili, bacon pieces, and melted cheese. Enjoy it for 20 minutes until your heart stops. One of the greatest inventions ever. That's one of those things that you enjoy three times. Once when you eat it, once when you fill the blank and once when you step into it.
MuthaTrucka Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:01:00 - [86] Sorry Jack I have to correct you on this one...... ASCN never offered anything kind of Home contract to MC Seleene was Shopping for a home, ASCN discussed it and decided, wrongly or rightly, that it wasn't in our best interest. And that little pointy bit of history may or may not have been one of those moments you go back and re discuss for posterity's sake. --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
Draekas Darkwater Sanctum Infinitas	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:02:00 - [87] If I had to guess, maybe if someone had offered MC a hunk of pre-owned space for MC to move to, that was a significant upgrade to where they base out of BoB space. On top of that maybe some payment of ISK or some cap ships every month, then maybe they would have considered it. That's how I saw it as a neutral observer back then.
Ugluuk Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:24:00 - [88] Edited by: Ugluuk on 07/05/2007 16:22:07 I got the answer that solves it all.. They dont war dec Bob because they dont have to.. What do they have to win on it? Respect? Who needs respect when the guns do the talking and easier jobs that pays well is available all year.. Even tho i dont like MC i got to admit that they do good choices when taking contracts.. Which is also the reason they get hired all the time.. http://privateer.griefwatch.net/?p=pilot&pilot=Ugluuk
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:30:00 - [89] Hiring the MC is actually fairly easy. I think there's even a link to request a quote on their forums? Well, there was last time I was looking. The quote varies a lot, depending on what you want them to do. Getting Seleene to do a flyby in th e Nyx is fairly cheap (he does love to show his thing), where getting a whole pile of dreads to do the 'POS STOMP' for a few weeks is considerably more. Oh, the target is a factor as well, since the MC are not stupid enough to cut off their noses to spite their face. As is what they're currently doing. If they're getting bored of mining titans, then it might be cheaper to hire 'em to pewpew. shrug kudos to the MC. PvP is fun, and getting people to give you isks to do so is so much the better.
DeltaH NOBODY Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:37:00 - [90] I don't think ISK or stations or space alone would make MC abandon their current arrangement. Stability is key to running a business, and MC is a business. BoB has proven to be the most stable entity in EVE over the past year or two. The other nice thing is that MC now has a good relationship with one of the richest alliances in the game. Not only is it a rich alliance, but a rich alliance that likes to spend ISK on PVP (D2/ASCN might be rich, but I think their motives are/were mostly to get richer, not spend it on combat). MC has been on contract for several months straight now and gets the funner of the two fronts. Not a bad gig.

Echo147 E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:40:00 - [91] I guess half of the 500b/week gets donated to BoB so they can make the losses look good to the client
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:41:00 - [92] Originally by: Montaire You cant just "Hire" the MC. You need a plan. Too many people want to use MC as police, or try and get MC to save them when they are in trouble. MC are NOT regulars. They are elite shock troops and need to be used accordingly. They cant (or wont) patrol your space, kill the people ganking your mining barges or stop some Privateers from killing you in empire. You should have a plan as to what you need MC to accomplish, how you are going to help them (Logistics? CynoNets? Support Fleet?) and how they can help you. How are they interfacing with your fleet command ? Where are they basing out of, do they needs POS's ? Literally a hundred questions. Having said that, its more isk for each MC corp you want to have involved and various other factors. If someone in "The North" wanted to hire MC it would be a rough sell. I belive 500 bil per week if all you said is "Attack BOB". Start with somthing like this : I need you to help me attack BOB. We need to have them withdraw troops from LOCATION X and ease our supply lines. To this end I need MC to attack 3 keys systems X, Y and Z. These are station systems with X towers of so-and-so race, they are fitted like this. You do not have to take the stations but I will pay X amount extra if you do. In addition I want X MC corp to do empire ops only, focusing on known empire supply base X and Y. We anticipate this taking three months, and we will agree to commit X forces to fight. While you are attacking X, Y and Z our forces will attack A, B and C. We will do this on this day, at about this time. Start with somthing like that, flesh it out, pool your isk and go from there. Anything less and your not going anywhere. Good post, and I think that basically summarizes the topic. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio!
The Beatnuts Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:55:00 - [93] People realy need to stop saying bullcrap. MC is like any other product. If it's too expensive for you, you won't buy it. If it's not, you will buy it. But I can't see people start a witchwar just because you think ketchup is too expensive. /omee
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:20:00 - [94] Originally by: The Beatnuts But I can't see people start a witchwar just because you think ketchup is too expensive. -----
Murukan Minmatar Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:22:00 - [95] The MC business model is simple and makes sense tbh Contract A- PvP alliance lots of losses probable Contract B- Empire alliance, boring Contract C- Industrial alliance omgodz killratios! All 3 will pay a pretty penny but only one lets the MC use that swedish made e-peen enlarger on the forums Manlove by Zaphod Jones
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:27:00 - [96] I would like to contract MC to change all Fade station names in the name of LLAMA. I pay in Livestock. Contact me in-game if interested. -------------------------------------
Djerin Obsidian Exploration Services	Posted - 2007.05.07 18:01:00 - [97] Originally by: Seleene While it's understandable (and been made clear in other posts) why no such offer was eventually made, it does not change the fact that the door was always open to it and that weÆve been surprised before. I think the main reason none of the northern entities really came up to you was because they didn't know whether to trust you. You've been living just inside the very enemie's territory and they might have been afraid of actually paying the enemy upon hiring you. You didn't ever tell neutrals/public about your real standing towards you're contemporary employer. People knew you were good at your job, they just didn't know whether you had been employed already. Now of course, this doesn't matter anymore. All the complaining wont change past decissions. Future predictions are matter of opinion right now. Only thing i know is: i'm never gonna hire you (well, unless i happen to become insanely rich maybe).
Vyxx Shinra	Posted - 2007.05.07 18:41:00 - [98] one time i gave my girlfriend a 'chili dog'
Apollyon X FIRMA	Posted - 2007.05.07 19:00:00 - [99] MC is just like every other alliance in the game. They kill and befriend whoever they want the only difference between them and other alliances is that they manage to get paid to kill people others would kill for free.
Ferocious FeAr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 19:06:00 - [100] Seriously after reading some of the comments on here....my response is I'M STARVING! Don't hate me, learn to love me

Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.05.07 19:26:00 - [101] How much would you pay for my soiled pants? ----------------- OMG! SiGnAtUrE gO mEnTaLz
MIGHTYDWC Gallente Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 19:31:00 - [102] Peanut Butter and Banana sandwich. Epic Win!!!!
Firane 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.07 19:35:00 - [103] Originally by: Wylker Ever heard of an Irish Chili Dog? You take a large bun, cut it open and lay it open face on a plate. Take a sausage or hot dog, slice it flat and cover the bun. Cover that with french fries until its about 4 inches high. Smother that entire thing in chili, bacon pieces, and melted cheese. Enjoy it for 20 minutes until your heart stops. One of the greatest inventions ever. Goddamn that sounds tasty. -----
Murukan Minmatar Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.05.07 19:42:00 - [104] I got to use the swedish made e-peen enlarger which i find much more hilarious than it actually is so i'm happy. Manlove by Zaphod Jones
Kobanashi Laro Die Apokalyptischen Reiter Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.07 20:19:00 - [105] 1. Topic is flamebait. 2. Topic is not worth beeing discussed. MC do what they are good at or even better. --
Dash Ripcock 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.07 21:00:00 - [106] Originally by: Banlish Oh for pete's sake... Class B These are the mercs that are really starting to make a name for themselves and have been working in certain sectors of EVE for months if not years Many people associated Outbreak with working in the north for instance However these mercs can take AND recieve a pounding without shattering. Mercs in this class can take almost horrendous losses in a battle and they still have good replacements stashed elsewhere and can come back, meaner and ready for payback. Class A These mercs are known by almost everyone, by name at the very least. Or by the fact that along some of their careers they've faced these mercs and know how good they are. (Example: I've only been in EVE for around 20 months but I've fought against Burn Eden, Outbreak, Veto, KIA and MC. Why? Because they take contracts almost anywhere and are willing to travel to setup a new offensive) On top of that, these kinds of mercs deploy all kinds of crazy gear that even some corps cannot deploy. Large groups of capitals, super capitals, full tech 2 fleets, etc. They can bring the fight, and some bring it 23/7 or until the contract lapses. They also hold their contract as an unbreakable bond, they won't dishonor the spirt of the contract. That's a nice post Banlish, just one minor detail. Outbreak aren't mercenaries. Nobody hires us. We either want in on a fight or we don't. No discredit to your original post as it's excellent. Outbreak - The Movie
El Yatta Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.05.07 21:17:00 - [107] Originally by: Banlish There isn't just ONE way to classify a merc. classes etc I have to say that I dont really agree with much of this, because it is based on the fairly unreliable notion that mercs are /always/ mercs. I have a good deal of experience of the merc industry, and ran the merc thread for some time, so I saw a lot of contracts (those that I knew were real, those that I suspected were fake, and many in between), and your categories just dont take into account that lots of high-quality PVPers with lots of merc experience, and a reputation people would trust, dont do the merc thing full-time: I'd see long gaps between genuine contracts, where people were just having fun, building infrastructure, 0.0 ganking, private wars, etc. These are people with far more than the "2-10" contracts you suggest as a low-level merc, and who have held to the principles of a contract just as those you classify as class A, for years. MF moved into this gap around 9 months ago when we stopped full time contracting, and these days we aren't that interested in taking more, although its always an option, as I beleive we still have our rep, our trustworthyness, and of course we're better than ever at the old killing, but we just dont really see that as our future. We are just an example, as this wasnt really about "where's our category?", because some might agree that we're not really "mercs" any more. My point was that so many people, with almost no exceptions, fit those categories, because they assume you do nothing but the mercing, and thats just not the case. They're all normal corps and alliances, and do normal corp/alliance things, often for more time per month/year than contracted work. Ironically, of course, Dash has the same and more experience as I, and also ran the merc thread, and he just approved of what you said, arf. Finally, there is /way/ too much slurpy-noised sucking up to many entities in the game, based on their "merc" status, (many of whom I have great respect for, I should add), but everyone should remember that that status is literally a self-creation: merc corps prove themselves on the field, just as any other good combat corp or alliance, and the rest of the merc repuation is all about PR, self-declaration as a merc, and generally putting about the opinion that you are a member of an elite club. You can turn it off as well as turn it on, but at the end of the day, the reason /everyone/ in this thread is struggling to define "what is a merc" so they can answer the question "are MC mercs??" is because there is no definition, in EVE it is a self-created status. One of your two rotating signatures exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected])
Zembla Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 23:45:00 - [108] Some days I eat fish. The next day I usually regret doing that. I'm not much of a fish person you see. I don't like the structure, it's not so much the taste. The taste I can live with, but the structure... especially if there's bones in them. This also means I don't like tuna sandwich. Oh, btw, if we shoot ppl for money, we don't really care much who we shoot, as long as the pay's right. Then again, it's not uncommon for an opponent to hold a grudge I guess. <Z>
FowlPlayChiken Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 23:52:00 - [109] I just had veal cutlets, ala epicurian. Ingredients: 1 pound veal scallops, pounded very thin, as for scaloppine 1/2 tsp. salt 1/8 tsp. freshly ground black pepper 1/3 cup unsifted all-purpose flour 3 extra-large eggs, lightly beaten 1 cup fine dry white bread crumbs 3 tblsps. clarified butter 3 tblsps. peanut or other vegetable oil 1 large lemon, thinly sliced Directions: Preheat oven to 275 degrees. Halve any scallops that are large; sprinkle both sides of each piece with salt and pepper and let stand at room temperature 10 to 15 minutes. Place flour on a piece of waxed paper; put eggs in pie plate, and crumbs in another pie plate. Line up on counter near stove. Flour both sides of cutlets, dip in eggs, then in crumbs. Heat clarified butter and oil in heavy 12-inch skillet over moderately high heat about 2 minutes, or until a cube of bread sizzles in it. Brown half the breaded scallops quickly, about 3 minutes to a side. Remove to a shallow pan lined with paper toweling and set, uncovered, in the oven. Brown remaining half the same way. Serve at once with lemon slices. Serves 4. According to the authors, the hallmark of perfectly cooked Wiener Schnitzel is a crumb coating that's crisp and brown, yet doesn't stick to the meat(you should be able to slide a table knife between the two). The trick is to bread the meat just before you cook it, they claim. BTW Siv, a jihad of chikendom upon yer recipe!BAWK! http://nhimebaugh.wetpaint.com/ Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.05.08 00:08:00 - [110] "Hire" the Mercenary Coalition to attack BoB? Wouldn't that be like trying to hire Xelas, Fix, or Dice?

Horobi Redwing Caldari Unquestionable Prosperity	Posted - 2007.05.08 00:09:00 - [111] as in other threads MC tells again about that no offers has been made and so on.... but what you MC forget if that a merc takes contracts after price and it became well known you do good and bad prices depending on customer. so its obvious that no one thinks about paying you for anything BoB would just overpay and you will never see 1 isk back for maybe 0% service
Dash Ripcock 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.08 01:34:00 - [112] Originally by: El Yatta Originally by: Banlish There isn't just ONE way to classify a merc. classes etc I have to say that I dont really agree with much of this... I kind of skimmed and focused on the OB parts. Consider my opinion of the post officially nonsensical! Outbreak - The Movie
Acidictadpole Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.08 05:49:00 - [113] Originally by: Felxia MC will never be true mercs. I think the definition of Mercenary has skipped over a lot of peoples heads recently. I've checked a few sources and they all say "private gain" rather than "financial" gain. The thing to realise is that an alliance with BoB at this point (or at least not fighting against them) could be more valuable than any amount of isk offered at this time. So I wish to correct the person I quoted, since you don't know the reasoning behind MC not wanting to take a contract against BoB and I'm sure they have a decent enough reason for themselves. And I don't really care enough to try and figure out what's going on inside a Mercenary's head so yea.. They have some financial gain from sticking with their decision, speculate all you guys want: BoB Alts, Close friends, whatever you want. But their end reasoning behind their current decision obviously gives them more of a gain than isk from the coalition can right now. For a good"ish" source, check wikipedia for mercenary.
Kerdrak Amarr 3B Legio IX Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.05.08 05:54:00 - [114] Edited by: Kerdrak on 08/05/2007 05:50:38 FLA don't need MC... They can beat them: http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6544/flatacticsbe1.jpg ________________________________________ First atheist amarr on EVE
VinceNoir Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.08 06:26:00 - [115] I personally enjoy a Chunk Buford Sammich. Originally by: Asylum Seaker 17.8 Mil damage done, 15 mil lost? More **** than that goes down every time I jump through a gate. Go fight a real war.
Slinktress Gallente legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.08 08:37:00 - [116] Mmmkay, very interesting. Thank you for the helpful responses, like how to format a request to a merc corp/alliance. I was honestly curious to revisit this topic a couple months later in what I hoped to be a more respectful format. It's helpful to get different points of view on matters by using open forums. MC have evolved into something different; well, times have changed. We can all appreciate that. I am happy to see them reach beyond the normal murder for hire, despite them killing us loads There's a different purpose, and likely to them a clearer purpose. I think I was right that MC never considered themselves Keepers of EVE to maintain balance in the universe. It was others that saw them as such. So, now we have a new MC, I'm a little unclear on if they're available for hire anytime soon, but likely a moot point if we can no longer mortgage our outpost. But, I will take the other good advice in the future and google for their forums. This has spawned an idea for a corporation too. An agent business for the purpose of negotiating with Merc corps/alliances. Mercs looking for groups. Lost souls looking for mercs. One-stop shopping! Best wishes to all sharing this universe, and may peace and balance be found soon. Cheers o/
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.08 11:05:00 - [117] Originally by: Slinktress This has spawned an idea for a corporation too. An agent business for the purpose of negotiating with Merc corps/alliances. Mercs looking for contracts. Lost souls looking for mercs. One-stop shopping! An interesting proposition, but like most internet savvy shoppers - surely they'll go directly to the organ grinder rather than the monkey? I would anyway, especially as there's a sticky somewhere purely regarding Merc corps, their services and contacts. Blog at: The Jammy Blog
Angor The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.08 14:03:00 - [118] Originally by: Dash Ripcock Originally by: Banlish Oh for pete's sake... Class B These are the mercs that are really starting to make a name for themselves and have been working in certain sectors of EVE for months if not years Many people associated Outbreak with working in the north for instance However these mercs can take AND recieve a pounding without shattering. Mercs in this class can take almost horrendous losses in a battle and they still have good replacements stashed elsewhere and can come back, meaner and ready for payback. Class A These mercs are known by almost everyone, by name at the very least. Or by the fact that along some of their careers they've faced these mercs and know how good they are. (Example: I've only been in EVE for around 20 months but I've fought against Burn Eden, Outbreak, Veto, KIA and MC. Why? Because they take contracts almost anywhere and are willing to travel to setup a new offensive) On top of that, these kinds of mercs deploy all kinds of crazy gear that even some corps cannot deploy. Large groups of capitals, super capitals, full tech 2 fleets, etc. They can bring the fight, and some bring it 23/7 or until the contract lapses. They also hold their contract as an unbreakable bond, they won't dishonor the spirt of the contract. That's a nice post Banlish, just one minor detail. Outbreak aren't mercenaries. Nobody hires us. We either want in on a fight or we don't. No discredit to your original post as it's excellent. Umm, really? So when you guys came to help us out in YM- you were doing it for free, just for the fun of it? I always thought you were being paid to help us. I'm quite amazed to find out you sacrifice ships for nothing, you must be being bank rolled somehow? Also, why are you helping Ushar Kahn if your not being paid, do you just hate CVA or something? Anyway credit to you if this is infact true. _______________________________ Who the f*k stole my sig...
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.08 14:23:00 - [119] Originally by: Angor Originally by: Dash Ripcock Originally by: Banlish Oh for pete's sake... Class B These are the mercs that are really starting to make a name for themselves and have been working in certain sectors of EVE for months if not years Many people associated Outbreak with working in the north for instance However these mercs can take AND recieve a pounding without shattering. Mercs in this class can take almost horrendous losses in a battle and they still have good replacements stashed elsewhere and can come back, meaner and ready for payback. Class A These mercs are known by almost everyone, by name at the very least. Or by the fact that along some of their careers they've faced these mercs and know how good they are. (Example: I've only been in EVE for around 20 months but I've fought against Burn Eden, Outbreak, Veto, KIA and MC. Why? Because they take contracts almost anywhere and are willing to travel to setup a new offensive) On top of that, these kinds of mercs deploy all kinds of crazy gear that even some corps cannot deploy. Large groups of capitals, super capitals, full tech 2 fleets, etc. They can bring the fight, and some bring it 23/7 or until the contract lapses. They also hold their contract as an unbreakable bond, they won't dishonor the spirt of the contract. That's a nice post Banlish, just one minor detail. Outbreak aren't mercenaries. Nobody hires us. We either want in on a fight or we don't. No discredit to your original post as it's excellent. Umm, really? So when you guys came to help us out in YM- you were doing it for free, just for the fun of it? I always thought you were being paid to help us. I'm quite amazed to find out you sacrifice ships for nothing, you must be being bank rolled somehow? Also, why are you helping Ushar Kahn if your not being paid, do you just hate CVA or something? Anyway credit to you if this is infact true. Outbreaks whants fights, big conflicts = fights. what so hard to under stand Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Egne Ver Caldari The Reckoning	Posted - 2007.05.08 17:15:00 - [120] Originally by: Kerdrak Edited by: Kerdrak on 08/05/2007 05:50:38 FLA don't need MC... They can beat them: http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6544/flatacticsbe1.jpg Ahh... thats right you can post stuff from anyones forums except BOD's too I forgot.

Kerdrak Amarr 3B Legio IX Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.05.08 17:20:00 - [121] Originally by: Egne Ver Originally by: Kerdrak Edited by: Kerdrak on 08/05/2007 05:50:38 FLA don't need MC... They can beat them: http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6544/flatacticsbe1.jpg Ahh... thats right you can post stuff from anyones forums except BOD's too I forgot. Bah, only a small revenge... ________________________________________ First atheist amarr on EVE
Dash Ripcock 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.08 17:44:00 - [122] Originally by: Angor Originally by: Dash Ripcock Originally by: Banlish Oh for pete's sake... Class B These are the mercs that are really starting to make a name for themselves and have been working in certain sectors of EVE for months if not years Many people associated Outbreak with working in the north for instance However these mercs can take AND recieve a pounding without shattering. Mercs in this class can take almost horrendous losses in a battle and they still have good replacements stashed elsewhere and can come back, meaner and ready for payback. Class A These mercs are known by almost everyone, by name at the very least. Or by the fact that along some of their careers they've faced these mercs and know how good they are. (Example: I've only been in EVE for around 20 months but I've fought against Burn Eden, Outbreak, Veto, KIA and MC. Why? Because they take contracts almost anywhere and are willing to travel to setup a new offensive) On top of that, these kinds of mercs deploy all kinds of crazy gear that even some corps cannot deploy. Large groups of capitals, super capitals, full tech 2 fleets, etc. They can bring the fight, and some bring it 23/7 or until the contract lapses. They also hold their contract as an unbreakable bond, they won't dishonor the spirt of the contract. That's a nice post Banlish, just one minor detail. Outbreak aren't mercenaries. Nobody hires us. We either want in on a fight or we don't. No discredit to your original post as it's excellent. Umm, really? So when you guys came to help us out in YM- you were doing it for free, just for the fun of it? I always thought you were being paid to help us. I'm quite amazed to find out you sacrifice ships for nothing, you must be being bank rolled somehow? Also, why are you helping Ushar Kahn if your not being paid, do you just hate CVA or something? Anyway credit to you if this is infact true. Nothing? Destroying relentless fleets and the first Mothership in game... nothing? The cost of fielding T2 fitted fleet battleships in combat pales in comparison to such prizes! Outbreak - The Movie
SwindonBadger 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.08 19:15:00 - [123] Edited by: SwindonBadger on 08/05/2007 19:13:49 Id like to hire the MC. I can offer them some important corpses as payment but I dont think I could out do what bob have to offer with that. If u do have a better offer in isk-ship value to give over bob u have something to bargin with. Only then do u get to phase 2, does ur corp alliance back up its word, bob are known for seeing things through. Love or hate bob they have gotten where they are by not backing down and continuing to hold there heads and see things through no matter how the other side fights. If u have A the isk and B the rep ull have much better chance of getting somewhere with mc. I dont belive they arnt a merc corp, I think they follow a contract to the bone. Would you trust mc if they suddenly said u know what mid contract with bob we will just turn on them. As regards to 0utbreak, not for one day have we been a merc corp. If u enjoy shooting things without pollatics, employers with like minded folks willing to go all over the place to find new fights and see the gallaxi ... do it, u dont have to be a merc or a super alliance. We like collecting loot ... as you would exspect, and u bet ur life mc make some nice isk like that let alone any pay checks.
Exortius Amarrus The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.08 19:19:00 - [124] Originally by: Gariuys You know what the problem is with MC... and it's a problem most will agree on... they're good, and at the end of the day, if you need what only they can deliver, you'll hire em. "And in a pool of despair, bathed in the light of ignorance, a ray of hope." ------------------------
Paltar Eternal Rising EternalRising	Posted - 2007.05.08 19:20:00 - [125] Originally by: Kerdrak Originally by: Egne Ver Originally by: Kerdrak Edited by: Kerdrak on 08/05/2007 05:50:38 FLA don't need MC... They can beat them: http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6544/flatacticsbe1.jpg Ahh... thats right you can post stuff from anyones forums except BOD's too I forgot. Bah, only a small revenge... Not sure what your point is about the pic from FLA's forums. It seems to be just a suggestion for fitting from someone internally who actually stuck it out to fight and was trying to think outside the box with what he had available in order to keep fighting. Not sure on your reasons for leaving FLA, but I'm sure it wasn't exhaustion from fighting off the hordes so perhaps you don't have room to criticize the pilots that did stay to fight? Probably 65% of FLA's military force has always been "work with what you have" Its a blessing and a curse, on the one hand when you try to lead them out you have no faith in the consistency of your force, but on the other you know those guys who've dotted up to fight are doing it because they want to defend their space regardless of their vocation or much flaunted carebear status. Back to the topic at hand, I'm sure when this whole war thing has died out, MC will have plenty of offers on the table regardless of what they've been perceived as doing in this war. End of the day they are one of the premier fighting forces with negotiable affiliation, and there will be plenty of future conflicts that don't involve BOB where someone considers that a few isk for a sure win isn't such a bad idea. www.eternalrising.net
dastommy79 Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.08 20:09:00 - [126] Originally by: Kerdrak Edited by: Kerdrak on 08/05/2007 05:50:38 FLA don't need MC... They can beat them: http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6544/flatacticsbe1.jpg WOW I used to have a very high respect for 3b, that is all gone now. I understand that u dont like to fly cheap ships, but the post in FLA Forums (not caod btw noob) was not meant for the everyday pvp're. It was a suggestion to get our industrialist bretheren into a somewhat effective fighting force. But anyways when the good fight came, you guys ran away so i have to say these carebears flying thorax's and caracals are better fighters then you. Seriously that was pretty lame http://www.scoutca.com/fekesig2.jpg
Kerdrak Amarr 3B Legio IX Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.05.08 20:33:00 - [127] Edited by: Kerdrak on 08/05/2007 20:29:41 Originally by: dastommy79 Originally by: Kerdrak Edited by: Kerdrak on 08/05/2007 05:50:38 FLA don't need MC... They can beat them: http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6544/flatacticsbe1.jpg WOW I used to have a very high respect for 3b, that is all gone now. I understand that u dont like to fly cheap ships, but the post in FLA Forums (not caod btw noob) was not meant for the everyday pvp're. It was a suggestion to get our industrialist bretheren into a somewhat effective fighting force. But anyways when the good fight came, you guys ran away so i have to say these carebears flying thorax's and caracals are better fighters then you. Seriously that was pretty lame I talk for myself not for my corp, don't be stupid please... If you don't know, don't talk. About seeing me flee? you must have been dreaming it mate (wet dreams FTW). Btw, I never have seen one of your corp fighting so proof of STFU :). I wouldn't flee from your entire alliance, I cant tank you all You know what is lame? deleting all killboard related stuff and backstabbing corps when leaves that "alliance" Hahahaha, keep mining mate and get a clue before posting. PD: yes, I'm not a diplomat... ________________________________________ First atheist amarr on EVE
Frygok Minmatar Mean Anglo-Danes	Posted - 2007.05.08 20:46:00 - [128] Is it now allowed to post links with informations such as this, even though it is not constructive and is only flaming/trolling? I am quite clear that after a certain incident, the moderators specified these rules. However it now seems like we can link to any personal informations from internal forums and not getting it modded(as the post below the link in this thread has been modded out). Very interesting.
Kerdrak Amarr 3B Legio IX Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.05.08 20:53:00 - [129] Originally by: Frygok Is it now allowed to post links with informations such as this, even though it is not constructive and is only flaming/trolling? I am quite clear that after a certain incident, the moderators specified these rules. However it now seems like we can link to any personal informations from internal forums and not getting it modded(as the post below the link in this thread has been modded out). Very interesting. Yes, too much vital/strategical info in the pic... ________________________________________ First atheist amarr on EVE
Frygok Minmatar Mean Anglo-Danes	Posted - 2007.05.08 21:08:00 - [130] Originally by: Kerdrak Originally by: Frygok Is it now allowed to post links with informations such as this, even though it is not constructive and is only flaming/trolling? I am quite clear that after a certain incident, the moderators specified these rules. However it now seems like we can link to any personal informations from internal forums and not getting it modded(as the post below the link in this thread has been modded out). Very interesting. Yes, too much vital/strategical info in the pic... Not really. But it seems that posting stuff from internal boards are now okay? It is an interesting development in this particular forum, I dare say!

Marko Debreault 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.08 21:25:00 - [131] Originally by: Angor Umm, really? So when you guys came to help us out in YM- you were doing it for free, just for the fun of it? I always thought you were being paid to help us. I'm quite amazed to find out you sacrifice ships for nothing, you must be being bank rolled somehow? Also, why are you helping Ushar Kahn if your not being paid, do you just hate CVA or something? Anyway credit to you if this is infact true. We were not paid, or even asked, by either FATAL or UK to come and fight. On both occasions we approached them and asked if we could participate in the fighting. We seek out these sorts of conflicts because its fun and we need the practice. Isk is really not a consideration. There are unique considerations that lead us to choose one side over the other, but at this point in OB's history we have never accepted isk to kill anyone. We've accepted isk to not kill someone, but that's a different story.
dastommy79 Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.08 21:25:00 - [132] Originally by: Kerdrak Edited by: Kerdrak on 08/05/2007 20:29:41 Originally by: dastommy79 Originally by: Kerdrak Edited by: Kerdrak on 08/05/2007 05:50:38 FLA don't need MC... They can beat them: http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6544/flatacticsbe1.jpg WOW I used to have a very high respect for 3b, that is all gone now. I understand that u dont like to fly cheap ships, but the post in FLA Forums (not caod btw noob) was not meant for the everyday pvp're. It was a suggestion to get our industrialist bretheren into a somewhat effective fighting force. But anyways when the good fight came, you guys ran away so i have to say these carebears flying thorax's and caracals are better fighters then you. Seriously that was pretty lame I talk for myself not for my corp, don't be stupid please... If you don't know, don't talk. About seeing me flee? you must have been dreaming it mate (wet dreams FTW). Btw, I never have seen one of your corp fighting so proof of STFU :). I wouldn't flee from your entire alliance, I cant tank you all You know what is lame? deleting all killboard related stuff and backstabbing corps when leaves that "alliance" Hahahaha, keep mining mate and get a clue before posting. PD: yes, I'm not a diplomat... LMAO look at the killboard you noob :P. Not bad stats for a "carebear", better than yours. Thats ok, dont look back, keep running.... there might be bobits behind ya. Keep running u can do it. RUN!!!!!!!!!!! BOB!!!!!!!!!!!!! lmao i'll give your corp credit, i think they are good pvp'rs but they need to lose the "noobs" ie you. You give your corp a bad name, maybe you should stop posting also my corp is 1/10 the size of yours and maybe you would see more of us if u ganged with the rest of the alliance instead of going off on your own and gettin popped by NPC's. Keep running, keep running............... bobs right behind you http://www.scoutca.com/fekesig2.jpg
Kerdrak Amarr 3B Legio IX Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.05.08 21:36:00 - [133] Originally by: dastommy79 LMAO look at the killboard you noob :P. Not bad stats for a "carebear", better than yours. Thats ok, dont look back, keep running.... there might be bobits behind ya. Keep running u can do it. RUN!!!!!!!!!!! BOB!!!!!!!!!!!!! lmao i'll give your corp credit, i think they are good pvp'rs but they need to lose the "noobs" ie you. You give your corp a bad name, maybe you should stop posting also my corp is 1/10 the size of yours and maybe you would see more of us if u ganged with the rest of the alliance instead of going off on your own and gettin popped by NPC's. Keep running, keep running............... bobs right behind you We will see soon ________________________________________ First atheist amarr on EVE
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.05.08 22:04:00 - [134] Quick, someone post something from BoB's board so it will get snipped and locked. -------------------------------------
Chib Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.05.08 22:12:00 - [135] lollerskates @ this thread......thought it an overdue time for this topic to be revived imo there will always be mercenaries because there will always be a need, but i honestly believe the days of "neutrality" are over...nobody can avoid politics especially MC now that they have their place in this war although i direct a question to seleene and ofc you can tell me to mind my own business but are MC fighting because theyre on contract or because you're very close friends of bob and wish to help them against the coalition ---------------------------------------------
Myndpyre Ryche Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.08 22:59:00 - [136] The only defination of the word "Mercenary" that I care about is from the people who pay me.
Zhajad Khalud The Red Rage	Posted - 2007.05.09 00:55:00 - [137] Originally by: Kerdrak Edited by: Kerdrak on 08/05/2007 05:50:38 FLA don't need MC... They can beat them: http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6544/flatacticsbe1.jpg Run for it, MC, they're coming for you in stabbed caracals On a more serious note, its a good thing im browsing this while cooking, I'm all hungry now!
Dracolich North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.05.09 01:26:00 - [138] MC will never be true mercs again - not without kladdkaka...
king jks Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.09 01:26:00 - [139] The problem I see with speculating whether or not such and such entity is truly neutral is that such discussion is irrelevant. Due to the nature of politics and human nature in large groups, the tendency is for large entities to polarize to one another. Of course you'll have some people who are at various levels of neutrality in the middle, but one always has speculations in times of great conflict such as these, and no one ever wants to be on the receiving end of a beating. The way I see it, the war in the North is over. Various D2 and Coalition forces leaving for other things have drastically drained what resources were available in a losing-fight in the first place. Unless something drastic happens, the Coalition will eventually fade from existence. The real conflict we must be looking for is on the horizon, since after BoB/MC is done with the north, they will almost certainly turn their full attention to the looming threat of RAGOON and friends. And rest assured MC will be contracted yet again for the war on the south, unless, as said before, something drastic happens. Speculations abound, I forsee one of two things happening. RAGOON wins, but due to the nature of the alliance, and ahem cultural differences, they are unable to keep the alliance going, in-fighting results. And since RA, while having demonstrated exempliary skill in accumulating new territories, are not well known for their ability to hold and defend such territory, they will be once again subject to attack from whatever the second largest entity there is. In this case I believe it will be the GOONS. Or. BoB/MC win. They continue to hold territory, work together, have new residents in the conquered territory until various powers want some space of their own, given that with the fall of both the north and the south, BoB will own close to 75% of the available 0.0 space. Or, MC moves on, perhaps gaining regions of their own, or moving on to a nomadic mercenary life style. However, at this point, whichever happens, happens. MC will always be what they are, or will always want to be a mercenary force. I personally think it is an interesting lifestyle, since they seem to do what sovereign forces do anyway, except they get paid by other third parties to do it. I think I will enjoy watching from the sidelines as the events unfold, but I don't think anyone is exempt from the consequences of this war.
Tomas Ysidro Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.09 02:16:00 - [140] Dracolich wins the thread tbh :P

joefishy S.A.S Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.05.09 08:36:00 - [141] for the kladdkaka. !!!! ************************************************************************
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.09 11:44:00 - [142] Originally by: Chib although i direct a question to seleene and ofc you can tell me to mind my own business but are MC fighting because theyre on contract or because you're very close friends of bob and wish to help them against the coalition We are on contract. - Vid - 'P-2 Defense'
Lunas Feelgood Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.09 12:07:00 - [143] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Chib although i direct a question to seleene and ofc you can tell me to mind my own business but are MC fighting because theyre on contract or because you're very close friends of bob and wish to help them against the coalition We are on contract. haha nice Originally by: Shamis Orzoz When the going gets tough...the tough join Bob. Originally by: Shin Ra Didn't u get the memo? Bending over is the new honorable thing to do!
Ran Fujimiya Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.09 15:17:00 - [144] One of my personal favorite treats in the spring/summer time is nice and simple: PB & Honey + extra (variantion on "The Elvis") - grill 3 or more slices of Bacon (not the Canadian style) - toast 2 slices of high-grain wheat bread - slice a generous layer of peanut-butter across each toasted slice - slice up 1 bananna, position slices evenly across one of the PB covered bread slices - pour however much honey you like over the banannas - place the bacon on top of the honey and banannas, close it up and enjoy. Try it while drinking a Cream Stout or the like and it adds a nice little touch to the experience (Some people like to add hot-sauce to this, but I think that just gives too much flavor in a bad way) The taste will surprise you like a doomsday on a freighter OP yarr _______________________________________________________________________________________________
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.09 15:47:00 - [145] None of this nancy stuff, you need a proper butty to stick to your ribs. 2 fat doorstops. Slart tons of butter one side of each of 'em. Fry (or grill if you're health conscious) half a dozen rounds of good quality smoked bacon. Gently slap the cooked bacon into your butty. Drown in brown sauce and eat. /me rubs fat belly. Blog at: The Jammy Blog
Chuck Dawg Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.10 04:27:00 - [146] Edited by: Chuck Dawg on 10/05/2007 04:26:12 Originally by: Kerdrak Edited by: Kerdrak on 08/05/2007 21:20:40 Originally by: dastommy79 Originally by: Kerdrak Edited by: Kerdrak on 08/05/2007 05:50:38 FLA don't need MC... They can beat them: http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6544/flatacticsbe1.jpg WOW I used to have a very high respect for 3b, that is all gone now. I understand that u dont like to fly cheap ships, but the post in FLA Forums (not caod btw noob) was not meant for the everyday pvp're. It was a suggestion to get our industrialist bretheren into a somewhat effective fighting force. But anyways when the good fight came, you guys ran away so i have to say these carebears flying thorax's and caracals are better fighters then you. Seriously that was pretty lame I talk for myself not for my corp, don't be stupid please... If you don't know, don't talk. About seeing me flee? you must have been dreaming it mate (wet dreams FTW). Btw, I never have seen one of your corp fighting so proof or STFU :). I wouldn't flee from your entire alliance, I can tank you all You know what is lame? deleting all killboard related stuff and backstabbing corps when leaves that "alliance" Hahahaha, keep mining mate and get a clue before posting. PD: yes, I'm not a diplomat... It's backstabbing when an alliance deletes ur KB stats when you leave? But yet when you leave the alliance becuase they're being attacked thats called what? If anything you deserve all the ** that hits your fan. You tucked your tail between your legs and ran away. One day you're there, the next you're gone. (FYI your KB stats are not deleted genius. You may want to look again http://freelancer-alliance.net/Killboard/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=4800) We never PVP? Oh in please. Like Dastommy said we're 1/10th your size but yet we were always near the top of the KB. We only mine? Are you on ***? 3B Legio would mine so much they had to move to our designated system to eat up our roids becase E-FICO was raped of all the roids. Hell you guys mine so damned much you have a ship replacement and capital ship program. Your pilots dont have to buy their own ships and just mine for the corp. So don't even start with the whole carebear claims because you're calling the kettle black. But heck i suppose that a gang of 10 hulks and 10 coveters isnt carebear material right? But yet us mining in a rokh/mega is the definition of carebear. Hell I'm glad you guys left. You did things for the better of the corp and not the alliance. You ganged by yourselfs and flew to other places instead of coming to where you were needed most the time. Good riddance is what I'd call a happy ending.
Kerdrak Amarr 3B Legio IX Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.05.10 08:50:00 - [147] Originally by: Chuck Dawg It's backstabbing when an alliance deletes ur KB stats when you leave? But yet when you leave the alliance becuase they're being attacked thats called what? If anything you deserve all the ** that hits your fan. You tucked your tail between your legs and ran away. One day you're there, the next you're gone. (FYI your KB stats are not deleted genius. You may want to look again http://freelancer-alliance.net/Killboard/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=4800) We never PVP? Oh in please. Like Dastommy said we're 1/10th your size but yet we were always near the top of the KB. We only mine? Are you on *? 3B Legio would mine so much they had to move to our designated system to eat up our roids becase E-FICO was raped of all the roids. Hell you guys mine so damned much you have a ship replacement and capital ship program. Your pilots dont have to buy their own ships and just mine for the corp. So don't even start with the whole carebear claims because you're calling the kettle black. But heck i suppose that a gang of 10 hulks and 10 coveters isnt carebear material right? But yet us mining in a rokh/mega is the definition of carebear. Hell I'm glad you guys left. You did things for the better of the corp and not the alliance. You ganged by yourselfs and flew to other places instead of coming to where you were needed most the time. Good riddance is what I'd call a happy ending. Stop talking about 3B, my reason to stay against FLA is something personal. The reason why 3B left FLA is different and was posted in your forums. I left FLA before, when everybody stop fighting and the idea of "strategic" was train for caracals with WCS... About the killboard stats: - 3B was in FLA very few time. But on top of the killboard since the first day. Check that. In all operations, bringing capitals and biggest gangs to all operations while being FLA. You can't whine about 3B, it's out of discussion. As I told, I'm talking by myself (freedom of word FTW). - You have a new killboard. OK, thanks for fixing that. Now you are a bit less lame. You are all free to set "Kerdrak" neg standing and cry for the embarrassing picture. I have been embarrassed too when ~4 hostiles camped the station and nobody undocked to kick them, or when a gang of 50 FLA was in a warm POS while a 10 pirate gang was laughing at us... There was, and are fine people in FLA, but what killed FLA are the bunch of cowards/noobs and wallet **s (with billions in their pocket) who undocks in tech 1 frigs to fight while rat in full tech 2/faction ships. This will be my last post about this theme. Seem you can't separate personal opinions from whole corps. ________________________________________ First atheist amarr on EVE*
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.10 11:36:00 - [148] That's quite enough, please. Chuck, I'd appreciate if we could maintain the seperation between individual and corp here. I'd rather not see the whole of 3B Legio IX persecuted for the actions of a single member. Kerdrak, the reason FLA presently has an issue with you is that you publically posted info from the members-only section of our private forum, and did so maliciously in order to make us look bad. What you posted is a single post from an entire sub-forum pertaining to ship and fleet fittings, and was not even made by an FLA fleet commander or anyone in a position of sufficient authority to declare an official fleet setup. W/stabs are not now and have never been a part of the FLA recommended fleet setup. I'm not about to go into the specifics of what we do recommend that our pilots fly, but suffice it to say, that list is not it. Your only reason for posting that was to make FLA look bad because you have some kind of a grudge against us, and that's very poor show. It simply isn't cricket, old chap. -Stitcher FLA Senior Fleet Commander. *** Training of the skill "Bamboo Stick" to level 5 has been completed.
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.10 12:11:00 - [149] Originally by: Stitcher Your only reason for posting that was to make FLA look bad because you have some kind of a grudge against us, and that's very poor show. It simply isn't cricket, old chap. -Stitcher FLA Senior Fleet Commander. Makes him look bitter and sad rather than you bad, I saw it as a guy with some heart geeing up to bring more with what he has, and props for that. Posting private forums is wrong m'kay? Blog at: The Jammy Blog
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.10 12:25:00 - [150] Originally by: Grimster Makes him look bitter and sad rather than you bad That's what I was hoping, but you know... got to cover all the bases. Thank you, however. *** Training of the skill "Bamboo Stick" to level 5 has been completed.

TroNaaR Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.10 16:14:00 - [151] Originally by: Chuck Dawg Edited by: Chuck Dawg on 10/05/2007 04:26:12 Originally by: Kerdrak Edited by: Kerdrak on 08/05/2007 21:20:40 Originally by: dastommy79 Originally by: Kerdrak Edited by: Kerdrak on 08/05/2007 05:50:38 FLA don't need MC... They can beat them: http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6544/flatacticsbe1.jpg WOW I used to have a very high respect for 3b, that is all gone now. I understand that u dont like to fly cheap ships, but the post in FLA Forums (not caod btw noob) was not meant for the everyday pvp're. It was a suggestion to get our industrialist bretheren into a somewhat effective fighting force. But anyways when the good fight came, you guys ran away so i have to say these carebears flying thorax's and caracals are better fighters then you. Seriously that was pretty lame I talk for myself not for my corp, don't be stupid please... If you don't know, don't talk. About seeing me flee? you must have been dreaming it mate (wet dreams FTW). Btw, I never have seen one of your corp fighting so proof or STFU :). I wouldn't flee from your entire alliance, I can tank you all You know what is lame? deleting all killboard related stuff and backstabbing corps when leaves that "alliance" Hahahaha, keep mining mate and get a clue before posting. PD: yes, I'm not a diplomat... It's backstabbing when an alliance deletes ur KB stats when you leave? But yet when you leave the alliance becuase they're being attacked thats called what? If anything you deserve all the ** that hits your fan. You tucked your tail between your legs and ran away. One day you're there, the next you're gone. (FYI your KB stats are not deleted genius. You may want to look again http://freelancer-alliance.net/Killboard/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=4800) We never PVP? Oh in please. Like Dastommy said we're 1/10th your size but yet we were always near the top of the KB. We only mine? Are you on ***? 3B Legio would mine so much they had to move to our designated system to eat up our roids becase E-FICO was raped of all the roids. Hell you guys mine so damned much you have a ship replacement and capital ship program. Your pilots dont have to buy their own ships and just mine for the corp. So don't even start with the whole carebear claims because you're calling the kettle black. But heck i suppose that a gang of 10 hulks and 10 coveters isnt carebear material right? But yet us mining in a rokh/mega is the definition of carebear. Hell I'm glad you guys left. You did things for the better of the corp and not the alliance. You ganged by yourselfs and flew to other places instead of coming to where you were needed most the time. Good riddance is what I'd call a happy ending. And what would you call Napping the enemy to get out of Dek safe Chuck? I call it treason.... Good riddance indeed... By the way, noticed you removed DTHI from your all time stats... Class act there... TroNaaR not representing my alliance or corp or blah blah chocolate cake... Wherever you go... There you are...
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.05.10 16:52:00 - [152] Originally by: NATMav Quick, someone post something from BoB's board so it will get snipped and locked. ^^^ what he said. Why the HELL is that post still there? Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer Proud member of the Customer Service Coalition.
versic	Posted - 2007.05.10 17:11:00 - [153] Edited by: versic on 10/05/2007 17:07:18
Trooper B99 Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.10 17:17:00 - [154] Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Why the HELL is that post still there? Have you tried emailing our volunteer mods about it? . Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106 PvP Tournament Semi-Finalist - 2006 FanFest
Frygok Minmatar Mean Anglo-Danes	Posted - 2007.05.10 17:22:00 - [155] Originally by: Trooper B99 Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Why the HELL is that post still there? Have you tried emailing our volunteer mods about it? The sad part is that posts posted later in the very same thread has been moderated, so apparently a GM have read said post, and apparently approved of posting stuff from an internal forum, even though it's against the rules.
joefishy S.A.S Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.05.10 18:18:00 - [156] FOR THE KLADKAKAKA !!!!!! yum yum cake 1 ************************************************************************
Kerdrak Amarr 3B Legio IX Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.05.10 19:16:00 - [157] Edited by: Kerdrak on 10/05/2007 19:13:38 The pic is fine, no internal ultra security "only for your eyes" info. Only a funny suggestion with no clue about what is undocking a ship without strip miners :lol:. The GM, when saw the pic, surely was ROFLing with tears in the eyes. Why to censure that? Dramatizing FTL ________________________________________ First atheist amarr on EVE
arthell Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.10 20:49:00 - [158] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Chib although i direct a question to seleene and ofc you can tell me to mind my own business but are MC fighting because theyre on contract or because you're very close friends of bob and wish to help them against the coalition We are on contract. T'was a beautiful POS, still.
Chuck Dawg Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.10 22:06:00 - [159] Originally by: TroNaaR Originally by: Chuck Dawg Edited by: Chuck Dawg on 10/05/2007 04:26:12 Originally by: Kerdrak Edited by: Kerdrak on 08/05/2007 21:20:40 Originally by: dastommy79 Originally by: Kerdrak Edited by: Kerdrak on 08/05/2007 05:50:38 FLA don't need MC... They can beat them: http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6544/flatacticsbe1.jpg WOW I used to have a very high respect for 3b, that is all gone now. I understand that u dont like to fly cheap ships, but the post in FLA Forums (not caod btw noob) was not meant for the everyday pvp're. It was a suggestion to get our industrialist bretheren into a somewhat effective fighting force. But anyways when the good fight came, you guys ran away so i have to say these carebears flying thorax's and caracals are better fighters then you. Seriously that was pretty lame I talk for myself not for my corp, don't be stupid please... If you don't know, don't talk. About seeing me flee? you must have been dreaming it mate (wet dreams FTW). Btw, I never have seen one of your corp fighting so proof or STFU :). I wouldn't flee from your entire alliance, I can tank you all You know what is lame? deleting all killboard related stuff and backstabbing corps when leaves that "alliance" Hahahaha, keep mining mate and get a clue before posting. PD: yes, I'm not a diplomat... It's backstabbing when an alliance deletes ur KB stats when you leave? But yet when you leave the alliance becuase they're being attacked thats called what? If anything you deserve all the ** that hits your fan. You tucked your tail between your legs and ran away. One day you're there, the next you're gone. (FYI your KB stats are not deleted genius. You may want to look again http://freelancer-alliance.net/Killboard/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=4800) We never PVP? Oh in please. Like Dastommy said we're 1/10th your size but yet we were always near the top of the KB. We only mine? Are you on ***? 3B Legio would mine so much they had to move to our designated system to eat up our roids becase E-FICO was raped of all the roids. Hell you guys mine so damned much you have a ship replacement and capital ship program. Your pilots dont have to buy their own ships and just mine for the corp. So don't even start with the whole carebear claims because you're calling the kettle black. But heck i suppose that a gang of 10 hulks and 10 coveters isnt carebear material right? But yet us mining in a rokh/mega is the definition of carebear. Hell I'm glad you guys left. You did things for the better of the corp and not the alliance. You ganged by yourselfs and flew to other places instead of coming to where you were needed most the time. Good riddance is what I'd call a happy ending. And what would you call Napping the enemy to get out of Dek safe Chuck? I call it treason.... Good riddance indeed... By the way, noticed you removed DTHI from your all time stats... Class act there... TroNaaR not representing my alliance or corp or blah blah chocolate cake... Why you directing those things at me like I have anything to do with it? I dont support the NAP nor do I suppose removing a corps stats from a KB just cause they left. There are corps/alliances on therewho arn't FLA so I dont see any reason for it to happen other than little children saying "haha I get the last laugh mofos!". As for Kerdrak you're not worth the time to post a second reply. I said all I wanted and you're just looking like a douche anyways so I've done enough.
TroNaaR Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.10 23:17:00 - [160] Originally by: Chuck Dawg Why you directing those things at me like I have anything to do with it? I dont support the NAP nor do I suppose removing a corps stats from a KB just cause they left. There are corps/alliances on therewho arn't FLA so I dont see any reason for it to happen other than little children saying "haha I get the last laugh mofos!". As for Kerdrak you're not worth the time to post a second reply. I said all I wanted and you're just looking like a douche anyways so I've done enough. Most sincere public apologies Chuck, did not mean to single you out. I have realized as frustrated as I am, you guys must be even more so. I had high hopes for FLA. Frustrating and nauseating to watch FLA stumble down the path like a drunken hobo... All that ISK, Blood and Time we spent trying to hold FLA space... To what end? I bear no ill will towards any FLA fighter (You know who you all are). I flew with 3b on more than one occasion, great group of guys, look forward to flying with them again soon. I flew with you Chuck, and hope to do so again soon as well. Wherever you go... There you are...

Tomas Ysidro Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.11 00:19:00 - [161] For the sake of clarification, I only saw an FLA member use stabs on a combat ship once, and it was specifically designed to nuke my Eos's drones and nothing else. Guess that's what I get for solo camping their station in it :( FLA never stopped bringing it throughout this entire conflict, and I never once saw just one corp taking the burden over any of the others. They've been one of the few alliances in my time in MC that I have enjoyed going up against. ~Ysiddy
General Xenophon Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.11 03:25:00 - [162] Originally by: Slinktress I want to know, is this possible, or am I the only one left still believing they are still that Merc Coalition anyone could hire and win with? Grats to MC on your successful career. Have always had much respect and enjoyed your friendly members. Please invite me to the retirement party; I'll leave a forwarding address Cheers o/ As in the real world, corruption is the rule of thumb in Eve. I have grown tired of trying to think whether some alliance is actually honorable or not... as in most cases it's just a big hodge-podge of no-they-are-not, they just want to win whatever the costs... A couple of things: One, MC will be hired as long as they seem to be accepting contracts and still a pvp force to be reckoned with. If they ever live out their prime and just start being completely ineffective then yes people may not hire them. The current question is a valid one, yet I think the answer is plan to see by what side MC is fighting on. I respect MC and in a very distant way, what BoB has done for Eve - this is one hell of a war and all flaming about exploits aside, it's been amazing to see such a giant war occuring in Eve. All that remains is a truckload of things for CCP to fix if they ever get to it..... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men." - Boondock Saints
dastommy79 Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 03:39:00 - [163] A lot of corps, past and present, put everything they had into this fight. Some left earlier than i think they should, others were asked to leave (hated that idea btw). I would like to apologize to 3b for my rants in my previous posts. I was mad at that noob and shouldnt have generailzed your whole corp because of the actions of 1 guy. Leaders make decisions at times that we dont agree with. I try and stay out of politics and dont want to get into those discusions in here. I just like to shot those red people in local. Back on topic........ MC I would like to hire you to destroy bobs titan fleet. I have a rokh and a harpy to offer as payment. If interested let me know P.S Di-tron, tell xenfor i watch that you tube video atleast 3 times a day and think of the good times we all had http://www.scoutca.com/fekesig2.jpg
Slinktress Gallente legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 06:28:00 - [164] This thread has gotten off-topic too much I believe. FLA is respectful to all who will receive it. Thank you for the positive answers to the original question. We are working completely open with our allies; any questions please see me in game or send mail. I've been asked by leadership to remove my post. Thanks for understanding. Cheers o/


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