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Slinktress Gallente legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 07:21:00 - [1] I still hold to the fact that MC is an independent mercinary alliance. MC have such an incredible history of turning tides in wars all over EVE. Their name has been respected and feared throughout their time in the universe. I don't believe they considered themselves the keepers of EVE, the point in the scale of justice, or recognized how vastly important they had become. Even now, they stand humble claiming "We are just doing our job." On behalf of The North, and my alliance, I tried to hire MC a mere few days before Seleene's big announcement. MC did not want to be caught up in this war of all wars and risk losing their honored reputation of independence. There really was only one option at the time outside of the Big War; The Privateers. For curiosity sake I asked how much they would charge to fight BOB, and the off the record answer was somewhere around 500 billion per week. I never got a price quote on Privateers before it was too late. So, now, that things have been rolling for a while. MC is starting their 4th month of working for BOB. How much to hire? Doesn't even have to be BOB, pick another BOB ally? Will anyone in EVE hire them if they become available? Is their contract a Life Contract? What happens if Sir Molle is right and we're all dead. Does MC retire then? I want to know, is this possible, or am I the only one left still believing they are still that Merc Coalition anyone could hire and win with? Grats to MC on your successful career. Have always had much respect and enjoyed your friendly members. Please invite me to the retirement party; I'll leave a forwarding address Cheers o/
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 07:27:00 - [2] Edited by: Necronomicon on 07/05/2007 07:23:30 1st in a smack MC thread ;) Seriously though, we all know the history, and this has been done to death. Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 07:28:00 - [3] Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 07/05/2007 07:24:28 It depends on the target really. A lot of payments are also not just ISK, there's a whole scala of alternative methods of payment. I heard on the grapevine that at times Seleene requests the services of the client for certain activities in the Nyx... After all this, I'm sure there will be alliances or corps that don't like their (new) neighbours and that need a hand etc. The merc business will never die out. All the tough talk now will look so marginal a few months after this all settles down and someone really needs a hand to get something done. I don't really fear for the future of our career path. Incoming coalition forum rabble in 3....2....1.... - -
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 07:37:00 - [4] Did not this subject get raised, milked, done to death and then squeezed dry around...erm..the middle of febuary? But oh well I suppose some people must habitually flog dead horses, although that is illegal in many civilised countries. F4T4L Recruitment
Slinktress Gallente legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 07:39:00 - [5] Edited by: Slinktress on 07/05/2007 07:36:15 Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 07/05/2007 07:24:28 After all this... Ummm, I'm SERIOUS... no smack intended, and I mean now or close to it. 3 months on one contract is a record for MC, right? Is there room to bargain? Would all of EVE donate to do such a thing I wonder. I do hope that retirement party is a way off.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.07 07:41:00 - [6] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 07/05/2007 07:24:28 It depends on the target really. A lot of payments are also not just ISK, there's a whole scala of alternative methods of payment. I heard on the grapevine that at times Seleene requests the services of the client for certain activities in the Nyx... After all this, I'm sure there will be alliances or corps that don't like their (new) neighbours and that need a hand etc. The merc business will never die out. All the tough talk now will look so marginal a few months after this all settles down and someone really needs a hand to get something done. I don't really fear for the future of our career path. Incoming coalition forum rabble in 3....2....1.... Maybe you will indeed still be employed after this even though your neutrality is shot to hell, but will you have fun? I can imagine it being fun the first time you drop 50 dreads and 5 MS on a smaller opponent and wipe him off the face of the map, but aren't you worried that soon there will be no opponent left of any caliber that will pose a challenge (except for BoB, who you won't fight). People will hire you for your capital ship fleet if anything, but is it fun to shoot POSses while your opponent just logs out since it becomes pointless to fight you when you bring 50 dreads and motherships? signature removed - please contact us to find out why (include the URL of your sig) - Jacques([email protected])
Lunas Feelgood Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 07:51:00 - [7] Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 07/05/2007 07:47:36 Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 07/05/2007 07:24:28 It depends on the target really. A lot of payments are also not just ISK, there's a whole scala of alternative methods of payment. I heard on the grapevine that at times Seleene requests the services of the client for certain activities in the Nyx... After all this, I'm sure there will be alliances or corps that don't like their (new) neighbours and that need a hand etc. The merc business will never die out. All the tough talk now will look so marginal a few months after this all settles down and someone really needs a hand to get something done. I don't really fear for the future of our career path. Incoming coalition forum rabble in 3....2....1.... Does sexual fevors count as alternative methods of payment?, becuase if so im preatty sure uggs would give you a call Originally by: Shamis Orzoz When the going gets tough...the tough join Bob. Originally by: Shin Ra Didn't u get the memo? Bending over is the new honorable thing to do!
Jonathan Peterbilt Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.05.07 07:53:00 - [8] Dont you think all this should be confidental and if you are really seriuos about hiring MC you should talk to them in private? Nah, all you really want is to bash them on the forums with the rest of the cryalition....
Montaire Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 07:59:00 - [9] You cant just "Hire" the MC. You need a plan. Too many people want to use MC as police, or try and get MC to save them when they are in trouble. MC are NOT regulars. They are elite shock troops and need to be used accordingly. They cant (or wont) patrol your space, kill the people ganking your mining barges or stop some Privateers from killing you in empire. You should have a plan as to what you need MC to accomplish, how you are going to help them (Logistics? CynoNets? Support Fleet?) and how they can help you. How are they interfacing with your fleet command ? Where are they basing out of, do they needs POS's ? Literally a hundred questions. Having said that, its more isk for each MC corp you want to have involved and various other factors. If someone in "The North" wanted to hire MC it would be a rough sell. I belive 500 bil per week if all you said is "Attack BOB". Start with somthing like this : I need you to help me attack BOB. We need to have them withdraw troops from LOCATION X and ease our supply lines. To this end I need MC to attack 3 keys systems X, Y and Z. These are station systems with X towers of so-and-so race, they are fitted like this. You do not have to take the stations but I will pay X amount extra if you do. In addition I want X MC corp to do empire ops only, focusing on known empire supply base X and Y. We anticipate this taking three months, and we will agree to commit X forces to fight. While you are attacking X, Y and Z our forces will attack A, B and C. We will do this on this day, at about this time. Start with somthing like that, flesh it out, pool your isk and go from there. Anything less and your not going anywhere.
Minigin Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 08:01:00 - [10] quaffe anyone? Your signature <----- My awsome Sig Real men PVP on the Forums.

deathforge The Accursed	Posted - 2007.05.07 08:03:00 - [11] Originally by: Slinktress Would all of EVE donate to do such a thing I wonder. I think the better question to ponder is does all of eve share your views? I don't, and fortunately not all of eve has lost their damn minds (completely) and I am not alone in this. I think the North is a bunch of whiny saucebags and sore losers, and seeing your failtrain get exploded by the axis of evil and subsequent 'boo hoo poor us lag and dev haxes' posts day in and day out just gets me all hot and bothered And by the way, I rule you. ---------------------- Jerk + Determination = Rifter of DoomÖ
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 1 Shot 1 Kill	Posted - 2007.05.07 08:09:00 - [12] Now hey, if everyone except the bob guys shelf in a few pennies we can do it! This sig is confirmed ISD-Proof«
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.05.07 08:25:00 - [13] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr The merc business will never die out... Come on Waagaa, you know yourself quite well that MC isn't an independed mercenary organisation any more. Why not admit it? If you would just consider a contract against BoB, how long do you think will your outposts there last? MC did excellent in gaining those outposts in BoB territory, but doing so they gave up independency. One can argue if that was a clever move or not. But the fact remains that in terms of freedom, independecy and choice it was a large step backwards. In terms of power and access to supercapitals it was a huge step forwards. But please stop playing this 'mercenary for hire' card. You are NOT for hire against BoB, not for any reasonable sum. And not at all for the same money/items which BoB pays you currently. So you do care about sides, you do give some clients very favourable prices while you give other clients very bad prices. How can you call that being independent? If I ask a really independent mercenary, he will tell me the price and then is doing his business. And it is the same price regardless my name, regardless if I am a BoB, D2, Goons or just a little 10-man corp. You have so much more to lose if you go against BoB, you naturally do not fight against them at the same terms you fight against BoB-enemies.
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 08:41:00 - [14] I don't think I ever used the word independent in my post. I said that there will always be someone that needs some extra guns. This is why the merc business will never die out. People also tend to have selective memories in times of need, so I'm not too worried about our business after this huge polarizing conflict has died down. We have been hired by people that were on the other side of our guns many times over. I think you all underestimate human hypocrisy. :) The thought that mercs need to be one hundred percent independent / neutral / etc to be able to do their work is slightly naive. - -
Kaleeb S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.	Posted - 2007.05.07 08:52:00 - [15] I hear you can hire Eleese for a dirty weekend for 3x bottles of quafe and some nerve sticks
Necro EvilZombie North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.07 08:53:00 - [16] Edited by: Necro EvilZombie on 07/05/2007 08:49:40 Originally by: Slinktress Even now, they stand humble claiming "We are just doing our job." you know who else was "just doing their job" ? THE NA ZIS! j/k clerks reference
kaike Minmatar Darklite inc Darklite Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:05:00 - [17] Originally by: Necro EvilZombie Edited by: Necro EvilZombie on 07/05/2007 08:49:40 Originally by: Slinktress Even now, they stand humble claiming "We are just doing our job." you know who else was "just doing their job" ? THE NA ZIS! j/k clerks reference Why ppl always take rl matters into non rl matters Like said in a few posts ,even MC says there for rent,i doubt any1 could pay the assets/isk ect to get them agianst BoB ...altho if the whole Northern Alliance's would ask it inc the resident's i could be done i guess
Necro EvilZombie North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:07:00 - [18] shut up and go watch Clerks then maybe you will get the joke.
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:09:00 - [19] Originally by: Necro EvilZombie shut up and go watch Clerks then maybe you will get the joke. You sir, are not funny. Blog at: The Jammy Blog
Karunel Princeps Corp YouWhat	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:12:00 - [20] Quote: shut up and go watch Clerks then maybe you will get the joke. Shut up- period. ____ Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.

doctorstupid2 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Necro EvilZombie shut up and go watch Clerks then maybe you will get the joke. I've seen it, many times, I got the reference. And to be perfectly honest, I laughed my ass off
Necro EvilZombie North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:16:00 - [22] god this forum fu ckin sucks
doctorstupid2 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:22:00 - [23] Originally by: Necro EvilZombie god this forum fu ckin sucks I thought it was funny. Let's be friends. Come show me your coolest, most expensive ship please
Necro EvilZombie North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:26:00 - [24] Edited by: Necro EvilZombie on 07/05/2007 09:23:16 Originally by: doctorstupid2 Originally by: Necro EvilZombie god this forum fu ckin sucks I thought it was funny. Let's be friends. Come show me your coolest, most expensive ship please all i got is a nighthawk or a cerb i give you bonus points for Biggie in your sig though
Marquis Dean Energy.	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:36:00 - [25] Who is Na Zis? Sounds like some rapper from New Zealand.
Jean Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:39:00 - [26] Originally by: Montaire You cant just "Hire" the MC. You need a plan. Too many people want to use MC as police, or try and get MC to save them when they are in trouble. MC are NOT regulars. They are elite shock troops and need to be used accordingly. They cant (or wont) patrol your space, kill the people ganking your mining barges or stop some Privateers from killing you in empire. You should have a plan as to what you need MC to accomplish, how you are going to help them (Logistics? CynoNets? Support Fleet?) and how they can help you. How are they interfacing with your fleet command ? Where are they basing out of, do they needs POS's ? Literally a hundred questions. Having said that, its more isk for each MC corp you want to have involved and various other factors. If someone in "The North" wanted to hire MC it would be a rough sell. I belive 500 bil per week if all you said is "Attack BOB". Start with somthing like this : I need you to help me attack BOB. We need to have them withdraw troops from LOCATION X and ease our supply lines. To this end I need MC to attack 3 keys systems X, Y and Z. These are station systems with X towers of so-and-so race, they are fitted like this. You do not have to take the stations but I will pay X amount extra if you do. In addition I want X MC corp to do empire ops only, focusing on known empire supply base X and Y. We anticipate this taking three months, and we will agree to commit X forces to fight. While you are attacking X, Y and Z our forces will attack A, B and C. We will do this on this day, at about this time. Start with somthing like that, flesh it out, pool your isk and go from there. Anything less and your not going anywhere. afaic this post wins the day... informative, constructive, on-topic... kudos to you sir.
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:44:00 - [27] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr People also tend to have selective memories in times of need, so I'm not too worried about our business after this huge polarizing conflict has died down. Who would want to hire MC - if not BoB or allies? Might just as well ask BoB directly to help instead of ringing up you guys. And there is quite a few people I know who do not want BoB around in their space. Also some people do have a good long term memory. For them MC will never be a viable business choice again. EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
Rasterman Ganja GanjaCorp Security Services	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:44:00 - [28] If you have to ask, you can't afford them... ...and if you're not BoB, you have to ask. Get the picture?
Trinity Faetal 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:48:00 - [29] Someday - and that day may never come - I'll call upon you to do a service for me. -- What goes around, goes around, goes around, Comes all the way back around.
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:56:00 - [30] If you have a good customer, one who never needs reminding of outstanding bills, never questions you, helps rather than hinders your operations, would you turn on them on a whim? No, you would not. We have several clients who have emplyed us in the past on multiple occassions; and it is natural that a business relationship builds, one that becomes more and more beneficial to each party. With that in mind, if another party came to us and asked us to turn on that entity, we would have to think long and hard about the many possible outcomes from our actions. And if the risk was not worth the reward, then the contract would be turned down. This is not bias, it is business. You want to coax the MC away from working for (or even attacking) BoB, then you need to replace BoB as the MC's best customer, and THAT is a tall order for any other entity in Eve at this time. Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.



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